The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[slukasiewski]

Same thing with us. My partner could not legally adopt our children until I had retired. Up to that point she had zero legal standing as their parent.

It was a dicey time. If something had happened to my wife, I would have had NO legal rights to our daughter.

Actually you could have been named in the will as the guardian. The real issue is if you had an ugly split up.

Did you not know the rules when you joined the military? At what point did it surprise you that there were consequences to that decision?

You're right. Liar. Plain and simple.

A dishonorable douche.

 

[Seawytch]

Okay...how about the cost of discharging perfectly qualified individual simply for the consenting adult they have relations with? It cost the military over $50,000 for each individual kicked out under the policy. According to the same GAO report that gave us that figure, 39% of the people discharged were in critical occupations such as infantryman and security forces (not to mention all those ARABIC translators that got kicked out).

$50K is chump change in the government.
Worth every penny to drum out homos...

I'm guessing that you did not like being shown up by the gay sailors getting better evals than you.

Oh yeah...SNAP!!

 

[slukasiewski]

Gays serving.

Dishonorable.

Pretty much cut and dry.

Case closed...


NEXT !!!!

 

[slukasiewski]

$50K is chump change in the government.
Worth every penny to drum out homos...

I'm guessing that you did not like being shown up by the gay sailors getting better evals than you.

Oh yeah...SNAP!!

Oh yeah, snap?
How does a ****** excel in an eval after he's NJP'd and discharged for sucking cock aboard ship?

Braindead much?

Snap...

Idiot.

 

[Gadawg73]

Christians have the right to pray in school all they want. No one has ever stopped that. You , unfortunately, have been misled in that regard.

sorry dude, the football team at our local highschool was forced to stop saying prayers at the beginning of the game. guess what. no one on the team complained. some douchebag who didn't even have a kid in school did. yet they were shut down. that's a reality. now how did that take away from teaching time? how did that infringe on anyones rights? they did it by choice and no one complained who was involved

What you mean to say is that the football team at your local high school had to stop ORGANIZED PUBLIC prayer of only one denomination. No one can stop prayer in school...I see football players take a knee and pray all the time...before, during and after a game.

So, explain to us why...to you...

This: ORGANIZED PUBLIC School-led prayer of one denomination

equals

That: prayer

Prayer has never been taken out of any school in America.
A Christian victim myth.
Any student can pray at any time anywhere in any public school all they want.

 

[Seawytch]

Actually I have answered the question. First with sarcasm, then when you didn't get it I told you that words to me are in themselves neither PC or non PC. Nor is not using it. I don't know what PC even means other then it's an excuse for liberals to express hypocritical and pompous indignation and score cheap political points.

Want a tissue?

Actually you dodged around a lot on the question. Simply stated:

When you don't use words like the n-word or the f-word (for gay man), it is not being politically correct, but respectful. It REALLY is as simple as that.

You're really simple. That's it.

LOL...this from the guy whose posts consist of "***, ARG!"

 

[kaz]

You didn't answer the question, Nancy. Is not using the f-word for gay man simply being respectful or being "PC"?

Actually I have answered the question. First with sarcasm, then when you didn't get it I told you that words to me are in themselves neither PC or non PC. Nor is not using it. I don't know what PC even means other then it's an excuse for liberals to express hypocritical and pompous indignation and score cheap political points.

Want a tissue?

Actually you dodged around a lot on the question. Simply stated:

When you don't use words like the n-word or the f-word (for gay man), it is not being politically correct, but respectful. It REALLY is as simple as that.

Actually you can use those words and be respectful and you can not use those words and be disrespectful. Respect isn't the words you use.

My best friend is black, but I don't use "the n word." While I know it would have no affect and he wouldn't be offended, there is no benefit either. Why do something which is probably neutral, could be negative, but would never be positive? But it's because of people like you who hysterically use words to political purpose. You're trying to make the "f word" the new "n word" for the same politically correct bull shit you liberals pull all the time where words are to be used as political tools to justify socialism.

You're gay, I call you Nancy, but it's not because you like men but because you aren't one. Giving words power in themselves is bull crap. Man up and talk to people about content. Don't get hysterical over any word, Nancy.

 

[kaz]

Actually you dodged around a lot on the question. Simply stated:

When you don't use words like the n-word or the f-word (for gay man), it is not being politically correct, but respectful. It REALLY is as simple as that.

You're really simple. That's it.

LOL...this from the guy whose posts consist of "***, ARG!"

I liked the "arg"...

 

[Seawytch]

Gays serving.

Dishonorable.

Pretty much cut and dry.

Case closed...


NEXT !!!!

Funny, my honorable discharge says differently.

It must really get your girl panties in a wad to know that DADT is gone now. Guess it is a good thing you are no longer serving eh?

 

[kaz]

Gays serving.

Dishonorable.

Pretty much cut and dry.

Case closed...


NEXT !!!!

Funny, my honorable discharge says differently.

It must really get your girl panties in a wad to know that DADT is gone now. Guess it is a good thing you are no longer serving eh?

So out of curiosity, since W was honorably discharged do you consider his service to have been honorable?

 

[Seawytch]

Actually I have answered the question. First with sarcasm, then when you didn't get it I told you that words to me are in themselves neither PC or non PC. Nor is not using it. I don't know what PC even means other then it's an excuse for liberals to express hypocritical and pompous indignation and score cheap political points.

Want a tissue?

Actually you dodged around a lot on the question. Simply stated:

When you don't use words like the n-word or the f-word (for gay man), it is not being politically correct, but respectful. It REALLY is as simple as that.

Actually you can use those words and be respectful and you can not use those words and be disrespectful. Respect isn't the words you use.

My best friend is black, but I don't use "the n word." While I know it would have no affect and he wouldn't be offended, there is no benefit either. Why do something which is probably neutral, could be negative, but would never be positive? But it's because of people like you who hysterically use words to political purpose. You're trying to make the "f word" the new "n word" for the same politically correct bull shit you liberals pull all the time where words are to be used as political tools to justify socialism.

You're gay, I call you Nancy, but it's not because you like men but because you aren't one. Giving words power in themselves is bull crap. Man up and talk to people about content. Don't get hysterical over any word, Nancy.

Who is getting hysterical? I just wanted clarification on your thoughts, which were unclear. The f-word to a gay man is exactly the same as using the n-word to someone who is black. It is disrespectful and ignorant, period.

Oh and my real name IS Nancy...

 

[Seawytch]

Gays serving.

Dishonorable.

Pretty much cut and dry.

Case closed...


NEXT !!!!

Funny, my honorable discharge says differently.

It must really get your girl panties in a wad to know that DADT is gone now. Guess it is a good thing you are no longer serving eh?

So out of curiosity, since W was honorably discharged do you consider his service to have been honorable?

Sure.

 

[Gadawg73]

Actually I have answered the question. First with sarcasm, then when you didn't get it I told you that words to me are in themselves neither PC or non PC. Nor is not using it. I don't know what PC even means other then it's an excuse for liberals to express hypocritical and pompous indignation and score cheap political points.

Want a tissue?

Actually you dodged around a lot on the question. Simply stated:

When you don't use words like the n-word or the f-word (for gay man), it is not being politically correct, but respectful. It REALLY is as simple as that.

Actually you can use those words and be respectful and you can not use those words and be disrespectful. Respect isn't the words you use.

My best friend is black, but I don't use "the n word." While I know it would have no affect and he wouldn't be offended, there is no benefit either. Why do something which is probably neutral, could be negative, but would never be positive? But it's because of people like you who hysterically use words to political purpose. You're trying to make the "f word" the new "n word" for the same politically correct bull shit you liberals pull all the time where words are to be used as political tools to justify socialism.

You're gay, I call you Nancy, but it's not because you like men but because you aren't one. Giving words power in themselves is bull crap. Man up and talk to people about content. Don't get hysterical over any word, Nancy.

A friend of mine is a black retired Judge and now practices law again. I forward all of the ****** jokes I get and crazy Obama pictures sent on the internet all the time. Sent one yesterday with a monkey with a sign that said "Don't label us as *******" Sent it to him and he LOLed me back. But NOT everyone is the same and NOT everyone can be put into a square or round hole and be labled as "liberal" or "conservative" which is what you always do.
You want to make up the rules of what everyone else should do and then you also want to make up the rules on why that person supposedly reacts the way they do as if everyone is cut from the same mold. Not everyone has opinions of things for political reasons yet that is your generic knee jerk response to anyone and everyone that disagrees with you on this specific issue.
I am a conservative Republican having voted since 1972. My opinions on this issue have absolutely nothing to do with the politics of either party. Most of the conservatives I know feel exactly the same way. Knee jerk reactions is not what we do.

 

[kaz]

Who is getting hysterical? I just wanted clarification on your thoughts, which were unclear. The f-word to a gay man is exactly the same as using the n-word to someone who is black. It is disrespectful and ignorant, period.

No, it's not the same.

Oh and my real name IS Nancy...

That's funny. So you're with me on liking the boobies. Maybe we can meet up and chase some skirt together. Actually I'm married too, so the only skirt I'll be chasing is my wife, but I reserve the right to chase skirt. Or at least talk about it. Well, when my wife's not there.

Hmm...kinda gay aren't I?

 

[kaz]

Funny, my honorable discharge says differently.

It must really get your girl panties in a wad to know that DADT is gone now. Guess it is a good thing you are no longer serving eh?

So out of curiosity, since W was honorably discharged do you consider his service to have been honorable?

Sure.

Fair enough. But liberals all the time have a clear double standard there, which is why I asked.

Bush to me was like Obama, he sucked on his own horrible performance as President, his past has nothing to do with it.

 

[bodecea]

Christians have the right to pray in school all they want. No one has ever stopped that. You , unfortunately, have been misled in that regard.

sorry dude, the football team at our local highschool was forced to stop saying prayers at the beginning of the game. guess what. no one on the team complained. some douchebag who didn't even have a kid in school did. yet they were shut down. that's a reality. now how did that take away from teaching time? how did that infringe on anyones rights? they did it by choice and no one complained who was involved

Now if you wanted to pray to Allah or have a there is no God rally then that would have been just fine...

Have they really held those at your school? At any school you've heard of?

 

[bodecea]

Teaching what? That man developed from some unknown missing link? or other unproven theories that are sold in as truths?

Yeah, that's right. Real world stuff like science, math, history, not make believe.

ever listen to history as repeated by a liberal? it doesn't get any more make believe than that

Such as...?

 

[bodecea]

Me too, I like a good vagina and pair of these... And I can even say that if I were in the military, how cool is that?

Under DADT, if you were male you could say that all you want. If you were female, it would get you discharged.

Of course, under DADT, some males saying that were just covering. Now they don't have to....which makes me wonder how much of that macho talk will melt away now that the gay soldier/sailors don't have to try to out-macho everyone else for cover.

Hmm...so your theory is the military macho talk was driven by gays pretending they were straight.

No. My theory is that a fair amount of the macho talk is gays trying to cover up...not that they drive the conversation.

I wasn't in the military,

Ah.

yet I somehow doubt that.

 

[yota5]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

Hey stupid......speaking as someone who IS career military (I retired 8 years ago), I can tell you that your post is full of shit.

Why? Because........every 6 months, you get tested for HIV no matter what (at least I did until 2002). It doesn't matter if you're straight, gay, lesbian or bisexual. If you're on active duty, you will get tested every 6 months. Oh yeah.....if you ever pop positive on an HIV test, you are immediately sent to shore duty at one of a few hospitals that the Navy has designated for that purpose.

Oh yeah.........got news for you..........gays actually make better military types than straights do. Wanna know why? Because attention to detail (one of the military's favorite terms) is something they're good at. How do I know? Because for 20 years, I was a Personnelman, which meant that I had to do the worksheets every time advancement time came around for the whole command, and oh yeah........we have to factor in things like evaluations and personal (not unit) awards. Gays generally had a higher eval average and more awards. And........because I wasn't as bigoted as you or your child appear to be, all the people in each of my commands trusted me enough to tell me what was and wasn't true and going on.

Try again chumpsteak, both you and your spawn are bigoted assholes.

Hey maggot, why is it that every time one of you sexual deviants log in you spout a bunch of BS about a military career that you never were privileged enough to enjoy. "A personnelman", give me a break. You don't even know how to spell the word. The Army didn't have an MOS with that title, and I'll bet the Navy didn't either.

As far as gays having a higher evaluation then a straight soldier I'll say BS again. Under DADT if you were getting evaluated as a gay service member you were being out processed with an undesirable discharge. Before DADT, if you were found out to be a sexual deviant you were out processed with an undesirable discharge. The results were the same. If you had really worked in personnel for 20 years you would have known that.

I have also noticed that none of you have been able to present any evidence on how having gays serve openly in the military would improve the combat readiness of any unit. That isn't surprising. Having gays in any unit will only diminish established high standards. I have to admit that seeing you all dance around the subject has been comical.

Since none of you could answer my last question maybe you'll have better luck with this question. How can the word gay be realistically related to sexual deviance? What is gay about being a sexual deviant?

 

[bodecea]

50K to discharge a homo?

How much does it cost to hospitalize and treat a full blown AIDS-infested polesmoker?

How many soldiers/sailors hospitalized with AIDS?

How many of them caught it overseas from prostitutes?

How many caught it from gay sex?

Statistics please.