The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[bodecea]

2) And as for your smug and yet ignorant question on all rights not being listed, you don't even understand what it is. The Constitution was designed to cede specific rights from the people to government, not give people rights, so most aren't listed. In fact the bill of rights is a diversion of the document, not the point of it. So most rights protected under it aren't listed. There is nowhere that says "gay" is a special status for anyone, muchless for those who chose to be part of our government.

So let me get this straight, you claim the Constitution is an enumerated document, I challenge you - prepared to point out BTW that rights need not be enumerated in the Constitution, and I'm asking an "ignorant" question?




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Let me know when you're done jerking off and we can get back to the argument

Really nice there.

 

[kaz]

How many active soldiers are HIV positive?

Straight soldiers can't have HIV?

Straight soldiers obviously can have HIV, but it's rare. Particularly for non-drug users. For all the liberal desire to declare it a non-gay disease, it always was a primarily gay disease. But that's only if you believe facts that are so and don't call what you want to happen "facts."

 

[kaz]

Reading some of the replies from the gays responding to this thread has led me to a valid conclusion. Gays, aren't only sexual deviants they are really stupid people. Gekaap, Seawtch, and Bodecea, it amazes me that you folks are allowed to walk the streets unsupervised.

True that most gays are stupid, but I don't see how that makes them different in that regard then the general population...

 

[Seawytch]

Showering is part of it, but I don't believe anyone said it was just that. They sleep and live together.

So? Sleep in your underwear. Shouldn't be sleeping naked in the barracks anyway.

You liberals have so many places to practice your politics, why do you go after the people who allow you to do that? Keep your politics in the streets and out of the military.

Equality isn't about politics. Serving under the exact same rules and regulations isn't politics. That's all gay and lesbian servicemembers want to do. They want to serve equally under the exact same rules and regulations that heterosexual servicemembers serve under. It REALLY IS as simple as that. The right wing are the ones politicizing this issue (that isn't even an issue).

 

[Seawytch]

Yeah, it is Nancy

Really? So not using racial slurs like the "n" word is just PC? That's lame.

Can you show me my post where I advocated using the "n" word? I don't remember taking a position on that. Refresh my memory.

I'm trying to suss out your position. You seem to be saying that not using the "f" word for gay man is being politically correct, but not using the "n" word isn't being politically correct. Is that about right?

 

[Seawytch]

How many active soldiers are HIV positive?

Straight soldiers can't have HIV?

Straight soldiers obviously can have HIV, but it's rare. Particularly for non-drug users. For all the liberal desire to declare it a non-gay disease, it always was a primarily gay disease. But that's only if you believe facts that are so and don't call what you want to happen "facts."

Anyone who has unprotected sex can get HIV and a host of other STDs. This is why soldiers are tested regularly.

A straight guy on leave from Iraq might head over to Africa, meet a nice woman (over 12 million women in Africa have HIV) and...

So what does HIV have to do with gays and lesbians (who are already serving) being able to finally serve honestly, without the constant fear of discharge?

 

[Seawytch]

Reading some of the replies from the gays responding to this thread has led me to a valid conclusion. Gays, aren't only sexual deviants they are really stupid people. Gekaap, Seawtch, and Bodecea, it amazes me that you folks are allowed to walk the streets unsupervised.

Actually, studies have shown that gays and lesbians are generally better educated than heterosexuals...but don't let that stop you from making an ass of yourself with school yard taunts. We've been exposed to the bully mentality before. You can keep trying to bolster your self worth with "you're a stupid deviant" ad hominems if it makes you feel better...but somehow I don't think it does.

You've stated your unsupported opinions about the repeal of DADT. Nothing you have said is supported by facts or evidence.

In a few months DADT is going to be repealed. The Joint Chiefs have stated that they have experienced no problems in the repeal process thus far and that the training is going fine.

Like I said before, this is going to be a huge ho-hum to the troops, almost 70% of whom suspect they serve with someone who is gay or lesbian anyway. They don't care.


You know, it ain't just "they gheys" watching Glee...

 

[rightwinger]

Reading some of the replies from the gays responding to this thread has led me to a valid conclusion. Gays, aren't only sexual deviants they are really stupid people. Gekaap, Seawtch, and Bodecea, it amazes me that you folks are allowed to walk the streets unsupervised.

Actually, studies have shown that gays and lesbians are generally better educated than heterosexuals...but don't let that stop you from making an ass of yourself with school yard taunts. We've been exposed to the bully mentality before. You can keep trying to bolster your self worth with "you're a stupid deviant" ad hominems if it makes you feel better...but somehow I don't think it does.

You've stated your unsupported opinions about the repeal of DADT. Nothing you have said is supported by facts or evidence.

In a few months DADT is going to be repealed. The Joint Chiefs have stated that they have experienced no problems in the repeal process thus far and that the training is going fine.

Like I said before, this is going to be a huge ho-hum to the troops, almost 70% of whom suspect they serve with someone who is gay or lesbian anyway. They don't care.


You know, it ain't just "they gheys" watching Glee...

Yota's biggest fear is that once his son starts to serve with known gays he may start hanging out in gay bars and eventually catch "the ghey". Poor yota will be denied the opportunity of grandiose that he can indoctrinate with his hate while his son prances around in gay parades

 

[Gadawg73]

How many active soldiers are HIV positive?

Straight soldiers can't have HIV?

Straight soldiers obviously can have HIV, but it's rare. Particularly for non-drug users. For all the liberal desire to declare it a non-gay disease, it always was a primarily gay disease. But that's only if you believe facts that are so and don't call what you want to happen "facts."

A disease is neither gay or straight. A disease is a disease.

 

[Gadawg73]

You assume the majority want open service because of a "political need" yet offer ZERO EVIDENCE to back up any of your argument.
What political need to I have?

I want the military for the most part to set their own rules on gays in the military. I don't think they should ban gays because of blackmail of gay soldiers. It may not have happened every day, but apparently it has through the years lead to some pretty serious espionage. They commit espionage or give up their careers, now that is not fair and it's an actual military reason I hold that view.

You on the other hand keep talking about their need to tell and that you want them to tell. That has zero to do with the military. It is a political objective because it's a political argument. This is government, it is not freedom of the people from government. The latter is the subject of the Constitution. You want to make the political statement about gays, go for it. But on the street, not in the military.

Well, I agree with you that political statements should not be made in the military.
But you still offer NO evidence whatsoever that my argument is based on a political statement.
Equal oppurtunity is not a political statement. Discrimination is discrimination.
Your argument is a bogus one anyway. Admiral Mullen IS THE DAMN MILITARY.
Offer some evidence ADMIRAL MULLEN is making a political statement.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Well, I agree with you that political statements should not be made in the military.
But you still offer NO evidence whatsoever that my argument is based on a political statement.
Equal oppurtunity is not a political statement. Discrimination is discrimination.
Your argument is a bogus one anyway. Admiral Mullen IS THE DAMN MILITARY.
Offer some evidence ADMIRAL MULLEN is making a political statement.

If stating that homosexuals should be treated the same as heterosexuals is a political statement?

Then wouldn't stating that the military should discriminate against homosexual service members over to heterosexuals also be a political statement?


Some people don't see that is a hypocritical position.



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[WorldWatcher]

Gekaap, Seawtch, and Bodecea, it amazes me...

From a straight, white, Republican, old fart retired Chief.


................................................................ Thank you for your service.



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[Gadawg73]

I admire the ones that state "I don't want no ****** queers in the military" more than the ones that skippy around with the "well, it is this and that and the reason YOU favor the repeal is because you believe this and that and you are making this kind of statement".
I know where I stand with the former and don't have to wade through an ocean of BS to get there.

 

[Seawytch]

Gekaap, Seawtch, and Bodecea, it amazes me...

From a straight, white, Republican, old fart retired Chief.


................................................................ Thank you for your service.



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This white, liberal, lesbian retired Chief says the same to you!

 

[WorldWatcher]

Gekaap, Seawtch, and Bodecea, it amazes me...

From a straight, white, Republican, old fart retired Chief.


................................................................ Thank you for your service.



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This white, liberal, lesbian retired Chief says the same to you!

OK, since you're the liberal, you get to buy the first round.


In this one case I won't mind spending your money.





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[Seawytch]

From a straight, white, Republican, old fart retired Chief.


................................................................ Thank you for your service.



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This white, liberal, lesbian retired Chief says the same to you!

OK, since you're the liberal, you get to buy the first round.


In this one case I won't mind spending your money.





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Oh sure...pick on the "bloated government worker" (that is supporting a family of four, just got an increase in her cost share of benefits AND has to take furlough day)

 

[JamesInFlorida]

Dang! I took a couple of hours off to go fishing, and the same gays are logged in blowing the same smoke. None of you commenting on this issue in support of gays have a frame of reference with which to form an opinion. You haven't served in the military, or even talked to a soldier. You folks hold soldiers in contempt, and you don't like them.

So let me tell you what you've accomplished. Nothing. No matter how much demented smoke you blow things will remain the same. You folks are still gay, and sexual deviants still shouldn't be allowed to serve in the military. Sorry gang that is just the way things are.

Well you keep ignoring my simple question. But I can assure you that I come from a big military family, both of my grandfathers-one was in the battle of the bulge (army), the other fought in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam-and is currently interred at Arlington (air force)-actually two of my relatives are interred there. My father was in the air force. My uncle was in the navy. My cousin is over in Afghanistan right now. You bet your ass I would have joined the military, I tried but was unable to due to having a bad leg from a bad car accident in my teenage years. Now I may not know from personal experience-you wont see me pretending that here. I have too much respect for people who have served to pretend to have been one (although I certainly would if I could). But I have talked to the many people I know about gays serving in the military-and not one of them said they wouldn't care. I can form an informed decision based upon that.

Once again thank you for your service-regardless of your personal views. However don't make the mistake in thinking your family's experience/views of the military is the only one.

And for the record-I'm straight.

 

[WorldWatcher]

This white, liberal, lesbian retired Chief says the same to you!

OK, since you're the liberal, you get to buy the first round.


In this one case I won't mind spending your money.





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Oh sure...pick on the "bloated government worker" (that is supporting a family of four, just got an increase in her cost share of benefits AND has to take furlough day)

I work for a school system. If you need a shoulder to cry on you might try Bod, I think your second careers retirement system is better than mine.




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[kaz]

Really? So not using racial slurs like the "n" word is just PC? That's lame.

Can you show me my post where I advocated using the "n" word? I don't remember taking a position on that. Refresh my memory.

I'm trying to suss out your position. You seem to be saying that not using the "f" word for gay man is being politically correct, but not using the "n" word isn't being politically correct. Is that about right?

No, you're still just making it up. I said nothing about using the "f" word either. Why don't you read my posts and respond to points I am making rather then making up points you want me to have made?

 

[kaz]

How many active soldiers are HIV positive?

Straight soldiers can't have HIV?

Straight soldiers obviously can have HIV, but it's rare. Particularly for non-drug users. For all the liberal desire to declare it a non-gay disease, it always was a primarily gay disease. But that's only if you believe facts that are so and don't call what you want to happen "facts."

Anyone who has unprotected sex can get HIV and a host of other STDs. This is why soldiers are tested regularly.

A straight guy on leave from Iraq might head over to Africa, meet a nice woman (over 12 million women in Africa have HIV) and...

So what does HIV have to do with gays and lesbians (who are already serving) being able to finally serve honestly, without the constant fear of discharge?

Um...OK....but it doesn't counter my point. Had I said straights cannot get AIDS, it would have countered it. But that's not what I said, I said it's "primarily" a gay disease. Your correct statement straights can get it doesn't counter that.