The tremendous power of the social paradigms created by WWII - Part I - The citizen

[Disir]

Nowhere in that link does it say that Israelis don't encounter Palestinians or there is any separation. It's nothing more than article on price tagging. By and large, price tagging is committed by punk ass kids like these:
Elder Palestinians protect settlers from lynching in West Bank village - National News - Jerusalem Post

That's from 2011
88 of Jewish Israelis oppose price tag attacks - National News - Jerusalem Post

Other
Jewish and Arab students show solidarity after price-tag fire at school - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post

This is from August of 2014, detailing concerns about increase in racism.

Israeli Teens Gripped by Virulent Racism Forward.com

On the other hand, Israel is taking this seriously - many feel this is not the society they want for themselves:
After War Israeli Schools to Teach Tolerance for Arabs - Israel Today Israel News
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/w...fter-palestinians-beating.html?pagewanted=all

On the effects of a decade long policy of strict separation: Is There Any Empathy Left In The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Parallels NPR

In December of 2013 Gaza flooded. As this was happening, it was the Israelis that were putting together food packages, and blankets and sanitary items and blankets and coats and sending them to the Palestinians. As this was happening, the accusations were made that Israel intentionally flooded Gaza by releasing water from a dam. Except there was no dam. When supplies were sent in (like pumps), the accusation was made that Israel was taking advantage of the situation.

Israel has always taken this seriously. There really is no other alternative.

I don't deny that there is a lot of humanitarian generosity from the Israeli people. Yet it seems to be a split society. There is also a lot of hate towards the Palestinians, as given by the links I posted.

There are Arab Israelis that serve in the military and they don't have to. There is Wahat Al-Salam which has been around since 1970. Jewish families moved to Silwan. Arab families live in French Hill. Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages. We have to pretend that there are no Palestinian Arabs in Israel for there to be this separation where Jewish people never come into contact.

Prior to Civil Rights in the US there were many blacks who served in the army, even when there wasn't conscription and they did not have to.

The Palestinians who are not Israeli citizens are largely seperated from the Israeli's by walls, check points and seperate systems of roads.

The fact that Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages is a legacy of the Mandate. There is actually a political move to make only Hebrew the national language.

I would say there is quite a bit of empathy. This empathy occurs while knowing that American tax dollars pay the salaries of those Palestinians imprisoned in Israel for terrorist acts that kill Israelis. Those ones that will at some point be swapped or released back to Gaza with a celebration.

And American tax dollars support the Israeli military incursions into Gaza, something which has led to huge civilian casualties and in Operation Cast Lead the use of white phosphorous in a dense civilian area.,

The white phosphorous was used legally. The Red Cross could find no evidence that it was used illegally. This is why they had to back track and instead focus on "dense civilian area". They didn't have anything.
The Operation in Gaza-Factual and Legal Aspects

And this wouldn't be a problem if Hamas and Islamic Jihad was eradicated.

This is not "segregation".

This is not similar to the Civil Right's Movement in the US in any way, shape or form. I am aware that the Palestinians PR move was to align themselves with Ferguson. That doesn't play.

There is no rising tide of racism in Israel. This is not a situation of "language is a barrier" as I stated earlier Arabic and Hebrew are the national languages. There are pockets of assholes.

Lastly, Israel is a client state. It makes zero sense for the money given to the Palestinians from this Donor country to pay the salaries of terrorists. Zero.

White Phosphorous was used illegally, do you think linking to a paper published by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs that denies the facts convinces anyone but brainwashed Zionnutters like yourself?

The Israeli oppression of non-Jews is more similar to South African Apartheid than the civil rights situation in the U.S.

The rest of your comments are Hasbara talking points.

Laws Regulating Use
According to the Chemical Weapons Convention Schedule of Chemicals, the chemical P4 is neither a toxic chemical nor a precursor to a toxic chemical. Protocol III of The Convention on Prohibition or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons Which May be Deemed to be Excessively Injurious or to Have Indiscriminate Effects (CCW) prohibits and restricts the use of incendiary weapons in civilian populations. It defines an incendiary weapon as "any weapon or munition which is primarily designed to set fire to objects or to cause burn injury to persons"; this definition excludes "munitions which may have incidental effects, such as illuminants, tracers, smoke or signaling systems." Under that qualification, WP is not necessarily considered an "incendiary weapon" if it incidentally sets buildings on fire. The United States has ratified other protocols and amendments of the CCW, but it has not ratified Protocol III.
Military Use

The United States military and foreign militaries use WP in grenades, mortar shells, and artillery shells to mark targets, to provide smokescreens for troop movement, to “trace” the path of bullets, and as an incendiary. These items are classified as both smoke ammunitions and incendiary ammunitions. When burning, WP emits smoke that can screen troop movement. This same smoke can act as target markers for aircraft and as signals. WP particles can burn combustible items upon contact until it has completed its reaction with oxygen, which can last up to 15 minutes depending on the munition. As described in the article “The Fight for Fallujah” in the March-April issue of Field Artillery, U.S. military units “fired ‘shake and bake’ missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE [high explosives] to take them out.”
Federation of American Scientists White Phosphorus Fact Sheet

 

[montelatici]

Your claiming using white phosphorus on civilians is legal doesn't make it so. Israel is certainly an Apartheid state where religion is the legally separating characteristic.

 

[Disir]

Your claiming using white phosphorus on civilians is legal doesn't make it so. Israel is certainly an Apartheid state where religion is the legally separating characteristic.

It was used as a smoke screen. It was legal. You know it. I know it. Everyone else knows it.

Not an apartheid state. Not even close. Watching you clowns sit and spin is amusing though.

 

[Phoenall]

Nowhere in that link does it say that Israelis don't encounter Palestinians or there is any separation. It's nothing more than article on price tagging. By and large, price tagging is committed by punk ass kids like these:
Elder Palestinians protect settlers from lynching in West Bank village - National News - Jerusalem Post

That's from 2011
88 of Jewish Israelis oppose price tag attacks - National News - Jerusalem Post

Other
Jewish and Arab students show solidarity after price-tag fire at school - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post

This is from August of 2014, detailing concerns about increase in racism.

Israeli Teens Gripped by Virulent Racism Forward.com

On the other hand, Israel is taking this seriously - many feel this is not the society they want for themselves:
After War Israeli Schools to Teach Tolerance for Arabs - Israel Today Israel News
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/w...fter-palestinians-beating.html?pagewanted=all

On the effects of a decade long policy of strict separation: Is There Any Empathy Left In The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Parallels NPR

In December of 2013 Gaza flooded. As this was happening, it was the Israelis that were putting together food packages, and blankets and sanitary items and blankets and coats and sending them to the Palestinians. As this was happening, the accusations were made that Israel intentionally flooded Gaza by releasing water from a dam. Except there was no dam. When supplies were sent in (like pumps), the accusation was made that Israel was taking advantage of the situation.

Israel has always taken this seriously. There really is no other alternative.

I don't deny that there is a lot of humanitarian generosity from the Israeli people. Yet it seems to be a split society. There is also a lot of hate towards the Palestinians, as given by the links I posted.

There are Arab Israelis that serve in the military and they don't have to. There is Wahat Al-Salam which has been around since 1970. Jewish families moved to Silwan. Arab families live in French Hill. Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages. We have to pretend that there are no Palestinian Arabs in Israel for there to be this separation where Jewish people never come into contact.

Prior to Civil Rights in the US there were many blacks who served in the army, even when there wasn't conscription and they did not have to.

The Palestinians who are not Israeli citizens are largely seperated from the Israeli's by walls, check points and seperate systems of roads.

The fact that Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages is a legacy of the Mandate. There is actually a political move to make only Hebrew the national language.

I would say there is quite a bit of empathy. This empathy occurs while knowing that American tax dollars pay the salaries of those Palestinians imprisoned in Israel for terrorist acts that kill Israelis. Those ones that will at some point be swapped or released back to Gaza with a celebration.

And American tax dollars support the Israeli military incursions into Gaza, something which has led to huge civilian casualties and in Operation Cast Lead the use of white phosphorous in a dense civilian area.,

The white phosphorous was used legally. The Red Cross could find no evidence that it was used illegally. This is why they had to back track and instead focus on "dense civilian area". They didn't have anything.
The Operation in Gaza-Factual and Legal Aspects

And this wouldn't be a problem if Hamas and Islamic Jihad was eradicated.

This is not "segregation".

This is not similar to the Civil Right's Movement in the US in any way, shape or form. I am aware that the Palestinians PR move was to align themselves with Ferguson. That doesn't play.

There is no rising tide of racism in Israel. This is not a situation of "language is a barrier" as I stated earlier Arabic and Hebrew are the national languages. There are pockets of assholes.

Lastly, Israel is a client state. It makes zero sense for the money given to the Palestinians from this Donor country to pay the salaries of terrorists. Zero.

What do these pictures show but W.P. being used as it was intended, as a smokescreen. Now if hamas did not place civilians around their rocket launchers none would have been hurt

 

[Phoenall]

In December of 2013 Gaza flooded. As this was happening, it was the Israelis that were putting together food packages, and blankets and sanitary items and blankets and coats and sending them to the Palestinians. As this was happening, the accusations were made that Israel intentionally flooded Gaza by releasing water from a dam. Except there was no dam. When supplies were sent in (like pumps), the accusation was made that Israel was taking advantage of the situation.

Israel has always taken this seriously. There really is no other alternative.

I don't deny that there is a lot of humanitarian generosity from the Israeli people. Yet it seems to be a split society. There is also a lot of hate towards the Palestinians, as given by the links I posted.

There are Arab Israelis that serve in the military and they don't have to. There is Wahat Al-Salam which has been around since 1970. Jewish families moved to Silwan. Arab families live in French Hill. Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages. We have to pretend that there are no Palestinian Arabs in Israel for there to be this separation where Jewish people never come into contact.

Prior to Civil Rights in the US there were many blacks who served in the army, even when there wasn't conscription and they did not have to.

The Palestinians who are not Israeli citizens are largely seperated from the Israeli's by walls, check points and seperate systems of roads.

The fact that Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages is a legacy of the Mandate. There is actually a political move to make only Hebrew the national language.

I would say there is quite a bit of empathy. This empathy occurs while knowing that American tax dollars pay the salaries of those Palestinians imprisoned in Israel for terrorist acts that kill Israelis. Those ones that will at some point be swapped or released back to Gaza with a celebration.

And American tax dollars support the Israeli military incursions into Gaza, something which has led to huge civilian casualties and in Operation Cast Lead the use of white phosphorous in a dense civilian area.,

The white phosphorous was used legally. The Red Cross could find no evidence that it was used illegally. This is why they had to back track and instead focus on "dense civilian area". They didn't have anything.
The Operation in Gaza-Factual and Legal Aspects

And this wouldn't be a problem if Hamas and Islamic Jihad was eradicated.

This is not "segregation".

This is not similar to the Civil Right's Movement in the US in any way, shape or form. I am aware that the Palestinians PR move was to align themselves with Ferguson. That doesn't play.

There is no rising tide of racism in Israel. This is not a situation of "language is a barrier" as I stated earlier Arabic and Hebrew are the national languages. There are pockets of assholes.

Lastly, Israel is a client state. It makes zero sense for the money given to the Palestinians from this Donor country to pay the salaries of terrorists. Zero.

And?

Using white phosphorous in populated areas is illegal.

Not if the populated areas have been made into a war zone by the other side. Read the Geneva conventions on that one point.

 

[Phoenall]

Nowhere in that link does it say that Israelis don't encounter Palestinians or there is any separation. It's nothing more than article on price tagging. By and large, price tagging is committed by punk ass kids like these:
Elder Palestinians protect settlers from lynching in West Bank village - National News - Jerusalem Post

That's from 2011
88 of Jewish Israelis oppose price tag attacks - National News - Jerusalem Post

Other
Jewish and Arab students show solidarity after price-tag fire at school - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post

This is from August of 2014, detailing concerns about increase in racism.

Israeli Teens Gripped by Virulent Racism Forward.com

On the other hand, Israel is taking this seriously - many feel this is not the society they want for themselves:
After War Israeli Schools to Teach Tolerance for Arabs - Israel Today Israel News
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/w...fter-palestinians-beating.html?pagewanted=all

On the effects of a decade long policy of strict separation: Is There Any Empathy Left In The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Parallels NPR

In December of 2013 Gaza flooded. As this was happening, it was the Israelis that were putting together food packages, and blankets and sanitary items and blankets and coats and sending them to the Palestinians. As this was happening, the accusations were made that Israel intentionally flooded Gaza by releasing water from a dam. Except there was no dam. When supplies were sent in (like pumps), the accusation was made that Israel was taking advantage of the situation.

Israel has always taken this seriously. There really is no other alternative.

I don't deny that there is a lot of humanitarian generosity from the Israeli people. Yet it seems to be a split society. There is also a lot of hate towards the Palestinians, as given by the links I posted.

There are Arab Israelis that serve in the military and they don't have to. There is Wahat Al-Salam which has been around since 1970. Jewish families moved to Silwan. Arab families live in French Hill. Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages. We have to pretend that there are no Palestinian Arabs in Israel for there to be this separation where Jewish people never come into contact.

Prior to Civil Rights in the US there were many blacks who served in the army, even when there wasn't conscription and they did not have to.

The Palestinians who are not Israeli citizens are largely seperated from the Israeli's by walls, check points and seperate systems of roads.

The fact that Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages is a legacy of the Mandate. There is actually a political move to make only Hebrew the national language.

I would say there is quite a bit of empathy. This empathy occurs while knowing that American tax dollars pay the salaries of those Palestinians imprisoned in Israel for terrorist acts that kill Israelis. Those ones that will at some point be swapped or released back to Gaza with a celebration.

And American tax dollars support the Israeli military incursions into Gaza, something which has led to huge civilian casualties and in Operation Cast Lead the use of white phosphorous in a dense civilian area.,

The white phosphorous was used legally. The Red Cross could find no evidence that it was used illegally. This is why they had to back track and instead focus on "dense civilian area". They didn't have anything.
The Operation in Gaza-Factual and Legal Aspects

And this wouldn't be a problem if Hamas and Islamic Jihad was eradicated.

This is not "segregation".

This is not similar to the Civil Right's Movement in the US in any way, shape or form. I am aware that the Palestinians PR move was to align themselves with Ferguson. That doesn't play.

There is no rising tide of racism in Israel. This is not a situation of "language is a barrier" as I stated earlier Arabic and Hebrew are the national languages. There are pockets of assholes.

Lastly, Israel is a client state. It makes zero sense for the money given to the Palestinians from this Donor country to pay the salaries of terrorists. Zero.

White Phosphorous was used illegally, do you think linking to a paper published by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs that denies the facts convinces anyone but brainwashed Zionnutters like yourself?

The Israeli oppression of non-Jews is more similar to South African Apartheid than the civil rights situation in the U.S.

The rest of your comments are Hasbara talking points.

Since when has South Africa been in Palestine ? DO TRY AND KEEP ON TOPIC and not deflecting when the thread is getting away from you.

 

[Phoenall]

Your claiming using white phosphorus on civilians is legal doesn't make it so. Israel is certainly an Apartheid state where religion is the legally separating characteristic.

Not according to the highest authority in the world, so your ISLAMONAZI LIES don't stand scrutiny.

 

[Art__Allm]

I knew that Israel was a colonial project long before I found out that the Zionists actually had a colonial office.
Why would they have a colonial office if was not a colonial project?

This colonial project was started by proto-Zionists, who were Christians (converts, like Disraeli) who believed in the existence of the "Jewish race" before WWI.

The British elite even believed that they are descendants of Hebrews.

British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is a doctrine based on the hypothesis that people ofWestern European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of theTen Lost Tribes of Israel. The doctrine often includes the tenet that the British Royal Family is directly descended from the line of King David.

British Israelism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The outcome of WWI and the continuation of this war (WWII was just the continuation of WWI) was influenced by Zionism, and Zionism was originally a British projects, and these British Zionists called themselves "Christian".

Lord Lindsay wrote in 1847: "The soil of Palestine still enjoys her sabbaths, and only waits for the return of her banished children, and the application of industry, commensurate with her agricultural capabilities, to burst once more into universal luxuriance, and be all that she ever was in the days of Solomon."[19]

In 1851, correspondence between Lord Stanley, whose father became British Prime Minister the following year, and Benjamin Disraeli, who became Chancellor of the Exchequer alongside him, records Disraeli's proto-Zionist views:

"He then unfolded a plan of restoring the nation to Palestine—said the country was admirably suited for them—the financiers all over Europe might help—the Porte is weak—the Turks/holders of property could be bought out—this, he said, was the object of his life...." Coningsby was merely a feelermy views were not fully developed at that time—since then all I have written has been for one purpose. The man who should restore the Hebrew race to their country would be the Messiah—the real saviour of prophecy!"

He did not add formally that he aspired to play this part, but it was evidently implied. He thought very highly of the capabilities of the country, and hinted that his chief object in acquiring power here would be to promote the return".[20][21] 26 years later, Disraeli wrote in his article entitled

"The Jewish Question is the Oriental Quest" (1877) that within fifty years, a nation of one million Jews would reside in Palestine under the guidance of the British.

Sir Moses Montefiore visited the Land of Israel seven times and fostered its development.[15]

In 1842, Mormon leader Joseph Smith, Jr. sent a representative, Orson Hyde, to dedicate the land of Israel for the return of the Jews.[22]Protestant theologian William Eugene Blackstone submitted a petition to the US president in 1891; the Blackstone Memorial called for the return of Palestine to the Jews.

History of Zionism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Lloyd George was determined, as early as March 1917, that Palestine should become British and that he would rely on its conquest by British troops to obtain the abrogation of the Sykes-Picot Agreement.

In the new British strategic thinking, the Zionists appeared as a potential ally capable of safeguarding British imperial interests in the region.

Furthermore, as British war prospects dimmed throughout 1917, the War Cabinet calculated that supporting a Jewish entity in Palestine would mobilize America's influential Jewish community to support United States intervention in the war and sway the large number of Jewish Bolsheviks who participated in the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution to keep Russia in the war.

Fears were also voiced in the Foreign Office that if Britain did not come out in favor of a Jewish entity in Palestine the Germans would preempt them.

Finally, both Lloyd George and Balfour were devout churchgoers who attached great religious significance to the proposed reinstatement of the Jews in their ancient homeland.

Palestine During World War I Jewish Virtual Library

Today there are millions of Christians in the USA who call themselves "Zionists", and only dew to the support of these "useful idiots" the descendants of Khazars can keep their colonial project going on.

 

[Coyote]

It's discussed in the the link I posted.

Nowhere in that link does it say that Israelis don't encounter Palestinians or there is any separation. It's nothing more than article on price tagging. By and large, price tagging is committed by punk ass kids like these:
Elder Palestinians protect settlers from lynching in West Bank village - National News - Jerusalem Post

That's from 2011
88 of Jewish Israelis oppose price tag attacks - National News - Jerusalem Post

Other
Jewish and Arab students show solidarity after price-tag fire at school - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post

This is from August of 2014, detailing concerns about increase in racism.

Israeli Teens Gripped by Virulent Racism Forward.com

On the other hand, Israel is taking this seriously - many feel this is not the society they want for themselves:
After War Israeli Schools to Teach Tolerance for Arabs - Israel Today Israel News
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/w...fter-palestinians-beating.html?pagewanted=all

On the effects of a decade long policy of strict separation: Is There Any Empathy Left In The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Parallels NPR

In December of 2013 Gaza flooded. As this was happening, it was the Israelis that were putting together food packages, and blankets and sanitary items and blankets and coats and sending them to the Palestinians. As this was happening, the accusations were made that Israel intentionally flooded Gaza by releasing water from a dam. Except there was no dam. When supplies were sent in (like pumps), the accusation was made that Israel was taking advantage of the situation.

Israel has always taken this seriously. There really is no other alternative.

I don't deny that there is a lot of humanitarian generosity from the Israeli people. Yet it seems to be a split society. There is also a lot of hate towards the Palestinians, as given by the links I posted.

There are Arab Israelis that serve in the military and they don't have to. There is Wahat Al-Salam which has been around since 1970. Jewish families moved to Silwan. Arab families live in French Hill. Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages. We have to pretend that there are no Palestinian Arabs in Israel for there to be this separation where Jewish people never come into contact.

Prior to Civil Rights in the US there were many blacks who served in the army, even when there wasn't conscription and they did not have to.

The Palestinians who are not Israeli citizens are largely seperated from the Israeli's by walls, check points and seperate systems of roads.

The fact that Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages is a legacy of the Mandate. There is actually a political move to make only Hebrew the national language.

I would say there is quite a bit of empathy. This empathy occurs while knowing that American tax dollars pay the salaries of those Palestinians imprisoned in Israel for terrorist acts that kill Israelis. Those ones that will at some point be swapped or released back to Gaza with a celebration.

And American tax dollars support the Israeli military incursions into Gaza, something which has led to huge civilian casualties and in Operation Cast Lead the use of white phosphorous in a dense civilian area.,

The white phosphorous was used legally. The Red Cross could find no evidence that it was used illegally. This is why they had to back track and instead focus on "dense civilian area". They didn't have anything.
The Operation in Gaza-Factual and Legal Aspects

Their use white phosphorous while not technically illegal, was used improperly. They also lied initially, denying they used it at all until they were backed into a corner with evidence. Israel s Illegal Use of White Phosphorus During Operation Cast Lead Foreign Policy Journal

And this wouldn't be a problem if Hamas and Islamic Jihad was eradicated.

This is not "segregation".

This is not similar to the Civil Right's Movement in the US in any way, shape or form. I am aware that the Palestinians PR move was to align themselves with Ferguson. That doesn't play.

Sure it is. The Palestinians are one group and I agree that the situation in the Occupied Territories is a little different but the other group is Arab citizens of Israel and it is in that group where there are issues of enequality, racism, injustice exist as they are citizens of Israel. There are is no question there is racism and inequality at play both in the putting forth of bills and laws and in the distribution of government resources and justice - very similar to what American blacks have lived with.

IRIN Middle East ISRAEL Address inequalities facing Arabs says ICG Israel Aid Policy Economy Education Governance Human Rights Refugees IDPs Security Urban Risk

New law dividing Christian Muslim Arabs legalizes inequality 972 Magazine

Israeli Arab supreme court justice Inequality exists in population - Breaking News - Jerusalem Post

Supreme Court Justice Salim Jubran on late Wednesday said inequality exists between Israel's Jewish and Arab citizens despite the state's declaration of establishment that proclaims the equality of all the country's inhabitants "irrespective of religion."

Israel Radio cited Jubran as saying there are gaps between Jews and Arabs in the sectors of education, employment and the allocation of land for infrastructure and the construction of residential areas and industrial zones. ​

Israel s discriminatory laws are embedding racial inequality TheHill

If passed, the bills will have a profound impact on Palestinians’ rights. The laws are carefully worded to avoid the appearance of singling out Palestinian Arab citizens, but their application is deliberately targeted and potent. For example, the “Increased Governance and Raising the Qualifying Election Threshold Bill” (from 2 percent to 4 percent) will severely harm the ability of the three small Arab parties in Israel to be elected to the Knesset. The “Contributors to the State Bill” will legalize discrimination in hiring, salaries and social benefits in favor of military service graduates, thereby excluding the vast majority of Arab citizens who do not serve in the army for historical and political reasons. More severely, the “Prawer-Begin Law” will oversee the forced displacement of up to 70,000 Bedouin citizens in the Naqab (Negev) and the dispossession of 800,000 dunams of their land for exclusive Israeli Jewish development.
​

High Court raps Jerusalem over postal inequality for Arabs The Times of Israel

Discrimination in Education

According to official data released as recently as late 2004, the Israeli government continues to allocate less money per head for Palestinian Arab children than it does for Jewish children.4 Arab schools are still overcrowded, understaffed, and sometimes unavailable.5 On average, they offer far fewer facilities and educational opportunities than those offered to other Israeli children.6 The greatest inequalities are found in kindergartens for three- and four-year olds and in special education.7
Education is only one of several areas in which Palestinian Arab citizens face discrimination in Israel.8 Among other things, discrimination in employment and government subsidies to local municipalities limit the personal and community resources that might otherwise be used to compensate for government failings in Arab education​

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There is no rising tide of racism in Israel. This is not a situation of "language is a barrier" as I stated earlier Arabic and Hebrew are the national languages. There are pockets of assholes.

You want to explain that to the Israeli's themselves - they seem quite concerned: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/w...tinians-in-jerusalem.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Lastly, Israel is a client state. It makes zero sense for the money given to the Palestinians from this Donor country to pay the salaries of terrorists. Zero.

It makes zero sense to give money to any of them

 

[montelatici]

This is from August of 2014, detailing concerns about increase in racism.

Israeli Teens Gripped by Virulent Racism Forward.com

On the other hand, Israel is taking this seriously - many feel this is not the society they want for themselves:
After War Israeli Schools to Teach Tolerance for Arabs - Israel Today Israel News
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/w...fter-palestinians-beating.html?pagewanted=all

On the effects of a decade long policy of strict separation: Is There Any Empathy Left In The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Parallels NPR

In December of 2013 Gaza flooded. As this was happening, it was the Israelis that were putting together food packages, and blankets and sanitary items and blankets and coats and sending them to the Palestinians. As this was happening, the accusations were made that Israel intentionally flooded Gaza by releasing water from a dam. Except there was no dam. When supplies were sent in (like pumps), the accusation was made that Israel was taking advantage of the situation.

Israel has always taken this seriously. There really is no other alternative.

I don't deny that there is a lot of humanitarian generosity from the Israeli people. Yet it seems to be a split society. There is also a lot of hate towards the Palestinians, as given by the links I posted.

There are Arab Israelis that serve in the military and they don't have to. There is Wahat Al-Salam which has been around since 1970. Jewish families moved to Silwan. Arab families live in French Hill. Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages. We have to pretend that there are no Palestinian Arabs in Israel for there to be this separation where Jewish people never come into contact.

Prior to Civil Rights in the US there were many blacks who served in the army, even when there wasn't conscription and they did not have to.

The Palestinians who are not Israeli citizens are largely seperated from the Israeli's by walls, check points and seperate systems of roads.

The fact that Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages is a legacy of the Mandate. There is actually a political move to make only Hebrew the national language.

I would say there is quite a bit of empathy. This empathy occurs while knowing that American tax dollars pay the salaries of those Palestinians imprisoned in Israel for terrorist acts that kill Israelis. Those ones that will at some point be swapped or released back to Gaza with a celebration.

And American tax dollars support the Israeli military incursions into Gaza, something which has led to huge civilian casualties and in Operation Cast Lead the use of white phosphorous in a dense civilian area.,

The white phosphorous was used legally. The Red Cross could find no evidence that it was used illegally. This is why they had to back track and instead focus on "dense civilian area". They didn't have anything.
The Operation in Gaza-Factual and Legal Aspects

And this wouldn't be a problem if Hamas and Islamic Jihad was eradicated.

This is not "segregation".

This is not similar to the Civil Right's Movement in the US in any way, shape or form. I am aware that the Palestinians PR move was to align themselves with Ferguson. That doesn't play.

There is no rising tide of racism in Israel. This is not a situation of "language is a barrier" as I stated earlier Arabic and Hebrew are the national languages. There are pockets of assholes.

Lastly, Israel is a client state. It makes zero sense for the money given to the Palestinians from this Donor country to pay the salaries of terrorists. Zero.

White Phosphorous was used illegally, do you think linking to a paper published by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs that denies the facts convinces anyone but brainwashed Zionnutters like yourself?

The Israeli oppression of non-Jews is more similar to South African Apartheid than the civil rights situation in the U.S.

The rest of your comments are Hasbara talking points.

Since when has South Africa been in Palestine ? DO TRY AND KEEP ON TOPIC and not deflecting when the thread is getting away from you.

Ahh, the old projection trick. Phoney, stick to the subject and quit playing senile games while posting.

 

[montelatici]

Guilty as sin.

"In producing the report, Forensic Architecture consulted military manuals and sought expert testimony—particularly that of weapons expert Chris Cobb-Smith. However, a crucial source of information for this research was the visual material already available in the public domain: mainstream news media footage and reporters’ photographs documenting the firing of airburst white phosphorus over Fallujah and Gaza. With the help of 3D-modeling software, spatial data was extracted from the still and moving images in an effort to reconstruct both specific events and the general characteristics of the projectile. This data was ultimately integrated into a parametric model that simulated the burst of the M825 WP projectile over typical urban environments, allowing us to analyse its effects, and the resulting civilian damage that can be expected.no agreement was reached among State Parties with regard to re-opening Protocol III. Notable opposing States were Japan, Israel, and the United States. Given the current configuration of geopolitical power relations, the persistent opposition of such influential States means that it may be long before an amendment of Proto- col III becomes a realistic possibility.....On March 5, 2013, Forensic Architecture’s report was submitted to Israel’s High Court of Justice as a supporting doc- ument for the petition demanding the ban of the use of white phosphorus munitions in urban environments by the Israeli military. Its admission as evidence encountered strong objec- tions by the Israeli military/State Attorney, who questioned the competence of a team of architects to provide expertise on the military matters at stake in the case.

On April 25, 2013, while the question of the admissibility of the report was still being debated in court, the Israeli military issued a declaration stating that it would cease to use white phosphorus shells in populated areas—thereby yielding to the demand of the petition before the Court had to rule on it. The decision was taken “in the shadow of the court”—that is, as a consequence of a legal process but without a verdict—and, arguably, as a direct consequence of the Israeli military’s estima- tion that they could not win the case.

A senior military commander explained: “As we learned during Cast Lead, [white phosphorus] doesn’t photograph well, so we are reducing the supply and we will not purchase beyond what we already have.” Subsequently, the military informed the Court that it had ordered a “significant narrowing” of the use of these shells.”


White Phosphorus - Forensic Architecture

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is an old picture, I think from Cast Lead (I can't remember exact;y).

Using white phosphorous in populated areas is illegal.

(COMMENT)

This was one lone event. And it was a monumental screw-up on the part of the IDF. I don't think the IDF ever made that mistake again. After that incident --- the IDF began to phase out some of the WP from their inventory (less illumination rounds) and restricted the general use of such weapons. White Phosphorous (WP) is not mentioned specifically in Protocol III, of the Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons (CCW); but it is generally understood that it is (in most cases) prohibited as general class of indiscriminate incendiary weapons. There are three (3) general rules pertaining to the use of such ordinance: as defined in Article 1 and 2 Protocol III: Incendiary weapons.

• It is prohibited to use them against civilians.
• It is also prohibited to make any military objective located within a concentration of civilians the object of attack by air-delivered incendiary weapons.
• It is prohibited to make forests or other kinds of plant cover the object of attack by incendiary weapons unless they are being used to conceal combatants or other military objectives.

I'm sure that the IDF understands this. I believe this one event, while wrong, does not rise to the level of a war crime. It is not the policy of the IDF to use WP in this fashion. In a war against insurgents and jihadist that has lasted over a quarter of a century, there are bound to be mistakes made. This event, devastating as it is, does not mean that the IDF did not take the necessary corrective action.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Coyote]

This is from August of 2014, detailing concerns about increase in racism.

Israeli Teens Gripped by Virulent Racism Forward.com

On the other hand, Israel is taking this seriously - many feel this is not the society they want for themselves:
After War Israeli Schools to Teach Tolerance for Arabs - Israel Today Israel News
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/w...fter-palestinians-beating.html?pagewanted=all

On the effects of a decade long policy of strict separation: Is There Any Empathy Left In The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Parallels NPR

In December of 2013 Gaza flooded. As this was happening, it was the Israelis that were putting together food packages, and blankets and sanitary items and blankets and coats and sending them to the Palestinians. As this was happening, the accusations were made that Israel intentionally flooded Gaza by releasing water from a dam. Except there was no dam. When supplies were sent in (like pumps), the accusation was made that Israel was taking advantage of the situation.

Israel has always taken this seriously. There really is no other alternative.

I don't deny that there is a lot of humanitarian generosity from the Israeli people. Yet it seems to be a split society. There is also a lot of hate towards the Palestinians, as given by the links I posted.

There are Arab Israelis that serve in the military and they don't have to. There is Wahat Al-Salam which has been around since 1970. Jewish families moved to Silwan. Arab families live in French Hill. Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages. We have to pretend that there are no Palestinian Arabs in Israel for there to be this separation where Jewish people never come into contact.

Prior to Civil Rights in the US there were many blacks who served in the army, even when there wasn't conscription and they did not have to.

The Palestinians who are not Israeli citizens are largely seperated from the Israeli's by walls, check points and seperate systems of roads.

The fact that Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages is a legacy of the Mandate. There is actually a political move to make only Hebrew the national language.

I would say there is quite a bit of empathy. This empathy occurs while knowing that American tax dollars pay the salaries of those Palestinians imprisoned in Israel for terrorist acts that kill Israelis. Those ones that will at some point be swapped or released back to Gaza with a celebration.

And American tax dollars support the Israeli military incursions into Gaza, something which has led to huge civilian casualties and in Operation Cast Lead the use of white phosphorous in a dense civilian area.,

The white phosphorous was used legally. The Red Cross could find no evidence that it was used illegally. This is why they had to back track and instead focus on "dense civilian area". They didn't have anything.
The Operation in Gaza-Factual and Legal Aspects

And this wouldn't be a problem if Hamas and Islamic Jihad was eradicated.

This is not "segregation".

This is not similar to the Civil Right's Movement in the US in any way, shape or form. I am aware that the Palestinians PR move was to align themselves with Ferguson. That doesn't play.

There is no rising tide of racism in Israel. This is not a situation of "language is a barrier" as I stated earlier Arabic and Hebrew are the national languages. There are pockets of assholes.

Lastly, Israel is a client state. It makes zero sense for the money given to the Palestinians from this Donor country to pay the salaries of terrorists. Zero.

What do these pictures show but W.P. being used as it was intended, as a smokescreen. Now if hamas did not place civilians around their rocket launchers none would have been hurt

It's contradicted for use in densely population areas. Israel had smoke bombs at it's disposal that it could have used for a smoke screen but opted not to. Why did they lie about using it in the first place?

 

[Coyote]

It's discussed in the the link I posted.

Nowhere in that link does it say that Israelis don't encounter Palestinians or there is any separation. It's nothing more than article on price tagging. By and large, price tagging is committed by punk ass kids like these:
Elder Palestinians protect settlers from lynching in West Bank village - National News - Jerusalem Post

That's from 2011
88 of Jewish Israelis oppose price tag attacks - National News - Jerusalem Post

Other
Jewish and Arab students show solidarity after price-tag fire at school - Arab-Israeli Conflict - Jerusalem Post

This is from August of 2014, detailing concerns about increase in racism.

Israeli Teens Gripped by Virulent Racism Forward.com

On the other hand, Israel is taking this seriously - many feel this is not the society they want for themselves:
After War Israeli Schools to Teach Tolerance for Arabs - Israel Today Israel News
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/w...fter-palestinians-beating.html?pagewanted=all

On the effects of a decade long policy of strict separation: Is There Any Empathy Left In The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Parallels NPR

In December of 2013 Gaza flooded. As this was happening, it was the Israelis that were putting together food packages, and blankets and sanitary items and blankets and coats and sending them to the Palestinians. As this was happening, the accusations were made that Israel intentionally flooded Gaza by releasing water from a dam. Except there was no dam. When supplies were sent in (like pumps), the accusation was made that Israel was taking advantage of the situation.

Israel has always taken this seriously. There really is no other alternative.

I don't deny that there is a lot of humanitarian generosity from the Israeli people. Yet it seems to be a split society. There is also a lot of hate towards the Palestinians, as given by the links I posted.

There are Arab Israelis that serve in the military and they don't have to. There is Wahat Al-Salam which has been around since 1970. Jewish families moved to Silwan. Arab families live in French Hill. Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages. We have to pretend that there are no Palestinian Arabs in Israel for there to be this separation where Jewish people never come into contact.

Prior to Civil Rights in the US there were many blacks who served in the army, even when there wasn't conscription and they did not have to.

The Palestinians who are not Israeli citizens are largely seperated from the Israeli's by walls, check points and seperate systems of roads.

The fact that Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages is a legacy of the Mandate. There is actually a political move to make only Hebrew the national language.

I would say there is quite a bit of empathy. This empathy occurs while knowing that American tax dollars pay the salaries of those Palestinians imprisoned in Israel for terrorist acts that kill Israelis. Those ones that will at some point be swapped or released back to Gaza with a celebration.

And American tax dollars support the Israeli military incursions into Gaza, something which has led to huge civilian casualties and in Operation Cast Lead the use of white phosphorous in a dense civilian area.,

Ask yourself this if your people had been brutalised, abused, murdered, raped and driven from their land for 1400 years how would you feel about the people that had done it. And before you say that it was not the Palestinians remember that your claims are they have been there for 2,000 years. They are either just as much to blame for the treatment of the Jews since 627C.E. or they are very recent illegal immigrants.

Think about what you said and apply it to the Palestinian situation today.

Lots of people have been brutalized, abused, murdered and driven off from that region over the past couple of milliniums - and in those thousands of years the Jews themselves did their share of burtalizing, murdering, raping and driving away - so I don't understand your point in comparing ancient history with modern ethos.

Just like the Mexicans are separated from the Americans then, and Yemen is separated from Saudi, Egypt is separated from gaza, Jordan is separated from the west bank. So your point being what exactly, that Israel is doing what other nations do without a peep out of so called unbiased concerned human beings

What are you talking about?

So you see no harm in sending $billions to fund ISLAMONAZI TERRORISM to kill Americans, yet balk at sending $millions to support the defence of Israel and the research of Defence Strategies of help to the USA. Did you know that hamas used W.P. as a weapon of mass destruction against Israel, along with chemical and biological agents. And the UN turned a blind eye to it. Yet let Israel use it legally and every do gooder climbs on their high horse without having the full facts to hand

Why send military aid to any of them?

 

[aris2chat]

In December of 2013 Gaza flooded. As this was happening, it was the Israelis that were putting together food packages, and blankets and sanitary items and blankets and coats and sending them to the Palestinians. As this was happening, the accusations were made that Israel intentionally flooded Gaza by releasing water from a dam. Except there was no dam. When supplies were sent in (like pumps), the accusation was made that Israel was taking advantage of the situation.

Israel has always taken this seriously. There really is no other alternative.

I don't deny that there is a lot of humanitarian generosity from the Israeli people. Yet it seems to be a split society. There is also a lot of hate towards the Palestinians, as given by the links I posted.

There are Arab Israelis that serve in the military and they don't have to. There is Wahat Al-Salam which has been around since 1970. Jewish families moved to Silwan. Arab families live in French Hill. Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages. We have to pretend that there are no Palestinian Arabs in Israel for there to be this separation where Jewish people never come into contact.

Prior to Civil Rights in the US there were many blacks who served in the army, even when there wasn't conscription and they did not have to.

The Palestinians who are not Israeli citizens are largely seperated from the Israeli's by walls, check points and seperate systems of roads.

The fact that Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages is a legacy of the Mandate. There is actually a political move to make only Hebrew the national language.

I would say there is quite a bit of empathy. This empathy occurs while knowing that American tax dollars pay the salaries of those Palestinians imprisoned in Israel for terrorist acts that kill Israelis. Those ones that will at some point be swapped or released back to Gaza with a celebration.

And American tax dollars support the Israeli military incursions into Gaza, something which has led to huge civilian casualties and in Operation Cast Lead the use of white phosphorous in a dense civilian area.,

The white phosphorous was used legally. The Red Cross could find no evidence that it was used illegally. This is why they had to back track and instead focus on "dense civilian area". They didn't have anything.
The Operation in Gaza-Factual and Legal Aspects

And this wouldn't be a problem if Hamas and Islamic Jihad was eradicated.

This is not "segregation".

This is not similar to the Civil Right's Movement in the US in any way, shape or form. I am aware that the Palestinians PR move was to align themselves with Ferguson. That doesn't play.

There is no rising tide of racism in Israel. This is not a situation of "language is a barrier" as I stated earlier Arabic and Hebrew are the national languages. There are pockets of assholes.

Lastly, Israel is a client state. It makes zero sense for the money given to the Palestinians from this Donor country to pay the salaries of terrorists. Zero.

What do these pictures show but W.P. being used as it was intended, as a smokescreen. Now if hamas did not place civilians around their rocket launchers none would have been hurt

It's contradicted for use in densely population areas. Israel had smoke bombs at it's disposal that it could have used for a smoke screen but opted not to. Why did they lie about using it in the first place?

Instead of using a standard screen, Israel has now developed their own for use in gaza urban areas, WP free. Before they used what was in their arsenal. Sound, smoke, smell, what ever Israel uses is being attacked.....while Israel is still being attack with the most common of weapons to foreign imports smuggled to fire into Israel cities.

It is OK for Israel to be attacked but not for it to respond?

 

[haissem123]

Except there is no dehumanization of the Palestinian people, but do go on. In fact, don't you find it rather odd that there is no mention on these boards of the factories that Palestinians and Israelis work at. Can you tell me why that is?

Do they both work or does one work and the other give orders?

 

[Coyote]

I don't deny that there is a lot of humanitarian generosity from the Israeli people. Yet it seems to be a split society. There is also a lot of hate towards the Palestinians, as given by the links I posted.

Prior to Civil Rights in the US there were many blacks who served in the army, even when there wasn't conscription and they did not have to.

The Palestinians who are not Israeli citizens are largely seperated from the Israeli's by walls, check points and seperate systems of roads.

The fact that Hebrew and Arabic are the national languages is a legacy of the Mandate. There is actually a political move to make only Hebrew the national language.

And American tax dollars support the Israeli military incursions into Gaza, something which has led to huge civilian casualties and in Operation Cast Lead the use of white phosphorous in a dense civilian area.,

The white phosphorous was used legally. The Red Cross could find no evidence that it was used illegally. This is why they had to back track and instead focus on "dense civilian area". They didn't have anything.
The Operation in Gaza-Factual and Legal Aspects

And this wouldn't be a problem if Hamas and Islamic Jihad was eradicated.

This is not "segregation".

This is not similar to the Civil Right's Movement in the US in any way, shape or form. I am aware that the Palestinians PR move was to align themselves with Ferguson. That doesn't play.

There is no rising tide of racism in Israel. This is not a situation of "language is a barrier" as I stated earlier Arabic and Hebrew are the national languages. There are pockets of assholes.

Lastly, Israel is a client state. It makes zero sense for the money given to the Palestinians from this Donor country to pay the salaries of terrorists. Zero.

What do these pictures show but W.P. being used as it was intended, as a smokescreen. Now if hamas did not place civilians around their rocket launchers none would have been hurt

It's contradicted for use in densely population areas. Israel had smoke bombs at it's disposal that it could have used for a smoke screen but opted not to. Why did they lie about using it in the first place?

Instead of using a standard screen, Israel has now developed their own for use in gaza urban areas, WP free. Before they used what was in their arsenal. Sound, smoke, smell, what ever Israel uses is being attacked.....while Israel is still being attack with the most common of weapons to foreign imports smuggled to fire into Israel cities.

It is OK for Israel to be attacked but not for it to respond?

I never said it wasn't. That is a strawman.

Is it ok to use WP in densely populated civilian areas when other devices capable of creating smoke with less human damage are available?

 

[aris2chat]

The white phosphorous was used legally. The Red Cross could find no evidence that it was used illegally. This is why they had to back track and instead focus on "dense civilian area". They didn't have anything.
The Operation in Gaza-Factual and Legal Aspects

And this wouldn't be a problem if Hamas and Islamic Jihad was eradicated.

This is not "segregation".

This is not similar to the Civil Right's Movement in the US in any way, shape or form. I am aware that the Palestinians PR move was to align themselves with Ferguson. That doesn't play.

There is no rising tide of racism in Israel. This is not a situation of "language is a barrier" as I stated earlier Arabic and Hebrew are the national languages. There are pockets of assholes.

Lastly, Israel is a client state. It makes zero sense for the money given to the Palestinians from this Donor country to pay the salaries of terrorists. Zero.

What do these pictures show but W.P. being used as it was intended, as a smokescreen. Now if hamas did not place civilians around their rocket launchers none would have been hurt

It's contradicted for use in densely population areas. Israel had smoke bombs at it's disposal that it could have used for a smoke screen but opted not to. Why did they lie about using it in the first place?

Instead of using a standard screen, Israel has now developed their own for use in gaza urban areas, WP free. Before they used what was in their arsenal. Sound, smoke, smell, what ever Israel uses is being attacked.....while Israel is still being attack with the most common of weapons to foreign imports smuggled to fire into Israel cities.

It is OK for Israel to be attacked but not for it to respond?

I never said it wasn't. That is a strawman.

Is it ok to use WP in densely populated civilian areas when other devices capable of creating smoke with less human damage are available?

Israel change so they would not have to use a legal and fairly common type of screen. They used what they had, now they make their own. Even now with not WP they are still being condemned for the newer formulas.
Why should Israel not try to defend or protect their soldiers that need to respond against those trying to kill them, against those that attack and try to kill Israeli civilians? Against those to hide behind and kill their own people?

 

[Coyote]

What do these pictures show but W.P. being used as it was intended, as a smokescreen. Now if hamas did not place civilians around their rocket launchers none would have been hurt

It's contradicted for use in densely population areas. Israel had smoke bombs at it's disposal that it could have used for a smoke screen but opted not to. Why did they lie about using it in the first place?

Instead of using a standard screen, Israel has now developed their own for use in gaza urban areas, WP free. Before they used what was in their arsenal. Sound, smoke, smell, what ever Israel uses is being attacked.....while Israel is still being attack with the most common of weapons to foreign imports smuggled to fire into Israel cities.

It is OK for Israel to be attacked but not for it to respond?

I never said it wasn't. That is a strawman.

Is it ok to use WP in densely populated civilian areas when other devices capable of creating smoke with less human damage are available?

Israel change so they would not have to use a legal and fairly common type of screen. They used what they had, now they make their own. Even now with not WP they are still being condemned for the newer formulas.
Why should Israel not try to defend or protect their soldiers that need to respond against those trying to kill them, against those that attack and try to kill Israeli civilians? Against those to hide behind and kill their own people?

Is it ok to use WP in densely populated civilian areas when other devices capable of creating smoke with less human damage are available?

 

[haissem123]

i guess i am the only one who sees the irony of the jews "going" home via violence for some so called holy land master race shit right after ww2 was fought to stop that sort of shit? then the allies aid the jews war for this racist nonsense so the book can be fulfilled?