The Trap Was Set - The Ukrainians Walked into It - And Now It's Closing

[Deadstick]

Are Uki military units still operating in the Rodina?

Are Uki air forces operating at will over the Rodina?

Are any Russian naval units dominating any part of the Black Sea?

Is Russia the laughing stock of the world?

You are a laughing stock living in a World of delusion and wishful thinking.

 

[lafayette]

Executed my arse, they are POW, although there are many of those savages from the US GB Germany and Poland and Baltics, now those SOBs should be shot on the spot.

These comments are criminal, and the writer can be arrested as accessory after the fact.

 

[Deadstick]

These comments are criminal, and the writer can be arrested as accessory after the fact.

 

[lafayette]

Aiding war crimes is not laughable or repressible.

 

[Deadstick]

Aiding war crimes is not laughable or repressible.

Those guys on the ground were not dead they had their hands on their heads, now tell me something, if a gang of foreigners turned up in your town and started shooting houses up and killing old ladies i don't think they would live long.

 

[lafayette]

Those guys on the ground were not dead they had their hands on their heads, now tell me something, if a gang of foreigners turned up in your town and started shooting houses up and killing old ladies i don't think they would live long.

In a Russian village, they would all get down and put their hands on their heads waiting to be shot.

 

[JWBooth]

When the Russo rats claim victory, they are being defeated.

You haven't been looking at the maps with troop movements and changing areas of control.

 

[JWBooth]

NAFOs with their fantasies.

 

[Litwin]

Executed my arse, they are POW, although there are many of those savages from the US GB Germany and Poland and Baltics, now those SOBs should be shot on the spot.

RT crap from a Muslims ´ he - whore . you are gonna pay for this war crime ivan

ps

 

[luiza]

Ukraine front line gutted and hung out to dry .
Kursk forces surrounded and supply lines dissolved

Sources confirm the information of Russian telegram channels that Ukraine tried to resume the negotiating track with the Kremlin through intermediaries, but was refused.
This is precisely what is connected with the flow of information in the Western media about possible concessions from Ukraine to end the war.

In fact, Zelensky is not considering the format of ending the war along the front line; it is important for him to demonstrate readiness and delay the process in order to stop the Russian offensive in Donbas. A similar technique was used in March 2022, when the Presidential Office created the appearance of a negotiation process, while strengthening its defense.

Taynaya_kantselyariya

 

[JWBooth]

Ukraine front line gutted and hung out to dry .
Kursk forces surrounded and supply lines dissolved

Sources confirm the information of Russian telegram channels that Ukraine tried to resume the negotiating track with the Kremlin through intermediaries, but was refused.

Of course they were. Russia had a settlement negotiated and both sides could live with and the puppet masters pulled the plug. Now that Russia has a legitimate battlefield advantage, Ukraine has burned through it's fighting population and much of the donated "game changer" equipment has mostly been destroyed, why would the Russians stop now? What should they give up and why would they want to. The advantage is theirs. Perhaps when they reach the Dnieper river.

 

[lafayette]

How Russian territory does Ukraine hold today?

 

[JWBooth]

How Russian territory does Ukraine hold today?

If I recall correctly, Brooklyn is bigger.

 

[JohnDB]

If I was Russia (and I'm not)
I would be ensuring that our mousetrap is not being turned into a trap for myself.

Usually a too tempting target is nothing but bait.

 

[Foxfyre]

Your comment would be hilarious if the conflict was not so serious .
If you seriously suggest that Moscow would allow/invite any outside military force to take just one step onto Russian territory , then you are beyond misguided . The idea of such an agreement is wrong and frankly childish .

The Mad Midget himself was the sole architect of the Kursk offensive and against his own military advice and against on- the -ground Americans -- others also presumably

The scenario / argument was elementary .
Ukraine could not attack north without re-deploying troops from the eastern front .
To do so would weaken the defense strength of the eastern front .

And that is exactly what happened .The so called UAF did precisely that and Russia has immediately made huge daily advances the length of the front . The so called UAF is being over run and close to total collapse .

Further , any incursion onto Russian territory would necessitate supply lines being kept open .

So the Russians"cheated " the mad midget by NOT moving any of its troops from around the Donetsk region to defend the Kursk initiative
They simply retreated to some extent until interior forces were ready to stop the Ukranian force, whilst making every attempt to trap them by cutting off their supply and re-inforcement lines .
Total disaster for Kyiv .
Ukraine has lost huge amounts of land down the eastern front and now their "Kursk task force" will be obliterated as the noose tightens .
All down to the Mad Midget .
And everybody knows it .
The Midget does not hold a single bargaining chip of any strength .
He is doomed and the only unknown is the timing and exact circumstances of his overdue disappearance .

Russia is building up huge extra troop numbers but whether the plans still include striking further west to secure Odessa and the other ports that serve the Danube basin is publicly unknown.

Perhaps they will strike West but imho they must be 100% confident of securing all their objectives by end - February , say , before NATO could do anything of real significance .
imho .

Very interesting analysis and I have no basis to fault it. We all know Putin has his tyrant side and has little conscience doing away with those who oppose him inside his own kingdom. But he is no dummy and carefully calculates his strategy, a trait Trump has also noted and caught hell for saying so.

I haven't seen much tactical brilliance or keen instincts on the part of Zelensky.

Russia, sensing a weakness in Barack Obama, took Crimea without serious consequence. Zelensky, like Poroshenko who he replaced, ran on an anti-corruption platform and won with an impressive majority of the vote. But like all his predecessors, not much corruption reform happened.

Plus Zelensky foolishly pursued entrance into NATO that was certain to trigger a Russia already suspicious of everybody. And a Biden hugely more weak than even Obama was would be no deterrent to Putin's decision to take some or all of the Ukraine depending on how it went.

The Ukraine is the wronged party despite the part they played in provoking the attack. There is no way to justify what Putin has done or is doing.

But ultimately you still have the most corrupt country in Europe--Russia--at war with the second most corrupt country in Europe--the Ukraine. And it is hard to find any good that can come out of it for either side.

 

[luiza]

Of course they were. Russia had a settlement negotiated and both sides could live with and the puppet masters pulled the plug. Now that Russia has a legitimate battlefield advantage, Ukraine has burned through it's fighting population and much of the donated "game changer" equipment has mostly been destroyed, why would the Russians stop now? What should they give up and why would they want to. The advantage is theirs. Perhaps when they reach the Dnieper river.

Exactly .
But Dear Uncle P has a tricky decision to now make because the remnants of the UAF are still supported by thousands of NATO troops who are mercenaries but notionally contracted privately .

Does he stop with the four regions of Donetsk , Luhansk , Kherson and Zaporizhzhia or also take Odessa and the smaller ports controlling the Danube basin .
I suspect he would have to achieve the latter before Spring and before the US and a few stupid EU countries have time to raise a real stopping force .

 

[luiza]

Very interesting analysis and I have no basis to fault it. We all know Putin has his tyrant side and has little conscience doing away with those who oppose him inside his own kingdom. But he is no dummy and carefully calculates his strategy, a trait Trump has also noted and caught hell for saying so.

I haven't seen much tactical brilliance or keen instincts on the part of Zelensky.

Russia, sensing a weakness in Barack Obama, took Crimea without serious consequence. Zelensky, like Poroshenko who he replaced, ran on an anti-corruption platform and won with an impressive majority of the vote. But like all his predecessors, not much corruption reform happened.

Plus Zelensky foolishly pursued entrance into NATO that was certain to trigger a Russia already suspicious of everybody. And a Biden hugely more weak than even Obama was would be no deterrent to Putin's decision to take some or all of the Ukraine depending on how it went.

The Ukraine is the wronged party despite the part they played in provoking the attack. There is no way to justify what Putin has done or is doing.

But ultimately you still have the most corrupt country in Europe--Russia--at war with the second most corrupt country in Europe--the Ukraine. And it is hard to find any good that can come out of it for either side.

Overall we hold similar views .
But I happen to totally disagree that Ukraine is wronged .

Russia tolerated the US repeatedly lie about not wishing to expand NATO since the 90s , and since the US coup in 2014 Kyiv has waged war daily on Donbass.
Ukraine is the centre of corruption -- not just with US and CIA money, but as a centre for trafficking , the drugs trade and biological weapons development on Russia's door step .
Russia could not afford to have America next door on its border pretending that the country was Ukraine.

I have visited Russia , Ukraine and surrounding countries many times and could make a serious and sensible assertion that if Trump loses the election , America will be less democratic than Russia , almost immediately .
Modern Russia is something to behold and its people are more clever and hard working than their US counterparts .
And also us British , I am sad to admit .

imho .

 

[Foxfyre]

Overall we hold similar views .
But I happen to totally disagree that Ukraine is wronged .

Russia tolerated the US repeatedly lie about not wishing to expand NATO since the 90s , and since the US coup in 2014 Kyiv has waged war daily on Donbass.
Ukraine is the centre of corruption -- not just with US and CIA money, but as a centre for trafficking , the drugs trade and biological weapons development on Russia's door step .
Russia could not afford to have America next door on its border pretending that the country was Ukraine.

I have visited Russia , Ukraine and surrounding countries many times and could make a serious and sensible assertion that if Trump loses the election , America will be less democratic than Russia , almost immediately .
Modern Russia is something to behold and its people are more clever and hard working than their US counterparts .
And also us British , I am sad to admit .

imho .

You may know more than me. But the Ukraine was not saber rattling or threatening Russia in any way when Russia attacked. That's why I say Putin was the one who started the war, however justified he might have been to do that. And because he has not restricted his war effort to strictly military targets, I cannot defend him for that.

I do agree that Putin has been far better for Russia than many of his predecessors and that is why there is little opposition to him among the rank and file Russians. I communicate a bit with Russian citizens here at USMB and on social media and--even though they don't dare be open with criticism--I am not picking up any clues that they are unhappy with the way things are.

 

[luiza]

If I was Russia (and I'm not)
I would be ensuring that our mousetrap is not being turned into a trap for myself.

Usually a too tempting target is nothing but bait.

There is no Ukraine trap for Russia to fall into .
The war is effectively over and the only unknown is how much territory Russia wants before it considers unconditional Kyiv surrender terms .

The trap they have set is in the Middle East where they are using proxies to urge the US into committing disaster measures .
They could be party to the eventual total destruction of Nazisrael, but they will probably be happy enough with increased ME presence and further countries joining the enlarged BRICS community .
Like Saudi Arabia as the big fish .

 

[luiza]

You may know more than me. But the Ukraine was not saber rattling or threatening Russia in any way when Russia attacked. That's why I say Putin was the one who started the war, however justified he might have been to do that. And because he has not restricted his war effort to strictly military targets, I cannot defend him for that.

I do agree that Putin has been far better for Russia than many of his predecessors and that is why there is little opposition to him among the rank and file Russians. I communicate a bit with Russian citizens here at USMB and on social media and--even though they don't dare be open with criticism--I am not picking up any clues that they are unhappy with the way things are.

There we disagree totally . And factually you are mistaken .

Following the 2014 Minsk agreements the US disregarded everything and piled money and weapons into Ukraine .
They went to war immediately with Donbass and killed 15000 by 2022 and did untold damage with raids.
Before the conflict they had increased daily shelling to nearly 2000 . !!!!
At Feb24, 2022 a 90000 Russian force in Donbass faced a UAF of up to 200 000 men , due to invade Donbass one week ( March1) later .
Moscow pre-empted Kyiv and sensibly took the only sane option .