The Ten Poorest Cities--This May Surprise You

[Modbert]

And here I thought I'd wound up on a Fox News forum.

Certainly does feel like it some days.

Though I notice this thread is being avoided like the plague by all involved:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/media...donations-to-families-of-suicide-bombers.html

 

[Oldandtired]

It seems like minorities are especially hurting.

Population statistics by race:

1. Detroit: White 12%, African American 82%, Other/Mixed 5%
2. Buffalo, NY: White 54%, African American 37%, Other/Mixed 7%
3. Cincinnati, OH: White 53%, African American 43%, Other/Mixed 2%
4. Cleveland, OH: White 41%, African American 51%, Other/Mixed 7%
5. Miami, FL: White 67%, African American 22%, Other/Mixed 10%
5. St. Louis, MO: White 44%, African American 51%, Other/Mixed 3%
7. El Paso, TX: White 73%, African American 3%, Other/Mixed 22%
8. Milwaukee, WI: White 50%, African American 37%, Other/Mixed 9%
9. Philadelphia, PA: White 45%, African American 43%, Other/Mixed 8%
10. Newark, NJ: White 27%, African American 53%, Other/Mixed 19%

I'm sure Obama is on top of this problem.

Its more complicated I think.

Many of those towns have no industry at all, and they elected progressives who promise perks & jobs which never materialize.

then the Republicans keep their 'free trade' going, outsourcing jobs like the auto industry (surprise! Detroit's number one)

I laugh when people bring that up.
Gee...I wonder what the net gain/loss of jobs would be if we stopped outsourcing jobs to their countries and, in return, they pulled their American based operations.

 

[Modbert]

I laugh when people bring that up.
Gee...I wonder what the net gain/loss of jobs would be if we stopped outsourcing jobs to their countries and, in return, they pulled their American based operations.

So in other words you support giving large tax breaks to companies that outsource to other countries. But at the same time complain about the Dems. Got it.

 

[WillowTree]

Isn't Ahnald a Republican?

How's california doin'?

Now, are you done with the sad partisan hackery? Are you ready to discuss real solutions?

What's Ahnold have to do with it?
Or California?
None of those cities are in California.
Proof that while the state is an economic cluster ****, it's because of out of control spending by the State...not cities abilities to generate revenue.
Ahnold did screw up. He let the Democrat controlled legislature run wild vs. stomping on their necks.

lol.. ahnold a republican? he sleeps with a kennedy. and california is in the shitter, they got liberals all pcikmoarked through the legislature, and oh well,, they are in the shitter. tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax and more tax,, see? that's why they are in the shitter.

 

[Xenophon]

then the Republicans keep their 'free trade' going, outsourcing jobs like the auto industry (surprise! Detroit's number one)

Democrats love outsourcing just as much as teh GoP does, sorry charlie, that is not it.

 

[uscitizen]

It seems like minorities are especially hurting.

Population statistics by race:

1. Detroit: White 12%, African American 82%, Other/Mixed 5%
2. Buffalo, NY: White 54%, African American 37%, Other/Mixed 7%
3. Cincinnati, OH: White 53%, African American 43%, Other/Mixed 2%
4. Cleveland, OH: White 41%, African American 51%, Other/Mixed 7%
5. Miami, FL: White 67%, African American 22%, Other/Mixed 10%
5. St. Louis, MO: White 44%, African American 51%, Other/Mixed 3%
7. El Paso, TX: White 73%, African American 3%, Other/Mixed 22%
8. Milwaukee, WI: White 50%, African American 37%, Other/Mixed 9%
9. Philadelphia, PA: White 45%, African American 43%, Other/Mixed 8%
10. Newark, NJ: White 27%, African American 53%, Other/Mixed 19%

I'm sure Obama is on top of this problem.

Its more complicated I think.

Many of those towns have no industry at all, and they elected progressives who promise perks & jobs which never materialize.

Actually, and interestingly, they are cities with unionized industry....at least Detroit, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Cleveland and Milwaukee are for sure......and I would not be surprised if most of the others are as well.

Miami Fl is NOT a unionized city.
It like several of the other cities are in traditionally red states though.

But then this entire arm of the milky way is progressive so who knows?

 

[Oldandtired]

I laugh when people bring that up.
Gee...I wonder what the net gain/loss of jobs would be if we stopped outsourcing jobs to their countries and, in return, they pulled their American based operations.

So in other words you support giving large tax breaks to companies that outsource to other countries. But at the same time complain about the Dems. Got it.

Seems to me you have a reading comprehension problem.
Do not recall ever saying anything about supporting tax breaks to companies that outsource.
Please show me where I said that.
Or are you just being an ass
Your turn...show me where I said it.
If not, then offer a real response to what I said...or back down with your tail between your legs.

 

[WillowTree]

Its more complicated I think.

Many of those towns have no industry at all, and they elected progressives who promise perks & jobs which never materialize.

Actually, and interestingly, they are cities with unionized industry....at least Detroit, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Cleveland and Milwaukee are for sure......and I would not be surprised if most of the others are as well.

Miami Fl is NOT a unionized city.
It like several of the other cities are in traditionally red states though.

But then this entire arm of the milky way is progressive so who knows?

Miami is heavily infused with poor immigrants from cuba and haiti, and with illegals from other parts of the world.. large population of poor..

 

[Oldandtired]

Actually, and interestingly, they are cities with unionized industry....at least Detroit, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Cleveland and Milwaukee are for sure......and I would not be surprised if most of the others are as well.

Miami Fl is NOT a unionized city.
It like several of the other cities are in traditionally red states though.

But then this entire arm of the milky way is progressive so who knows?

Miami is heavily infused with poor immigrants from cuba and haiti, and with illegals from other parts of the world.. large population of poor..

Yep.....that one has nothing to do with unions...and most certainly was not labelled in any of my posts as a unionized city. I cited 5 that are and said I would not be surprised if MOST of the others are as well.

Miami is by no means union...

 

[MaggieMae]

Somebody (you, oreo?) posts those stats at least a couple of times every six months or so, and you always get smacked down by additional pesky facts that cause those cities to be poorer than others. I for one won't be lured into it all over again.

 

[hjmick]

Isn't Ahnald a Republican?

In name only. He is married to a Kennedy.

How's california doin'?

It's been heading to the shit can ever since Prop 13.

Now, are you done with the sad partisan hackery? Are you ready to discuss real solutions?

And you have no partisanship in you? Uh-huh, okay. Let he who is without sin...

 

[Nosmo King]

TEN POOREST CITIES
% of People Below the Poverty Level


1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
5. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%


U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007



What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?


Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961.
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1954.
Cincinnati, OH (3rd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1984.
Cleveland, OH (4th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1989.
Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.
St. Louis, MO (6th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1949.
El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.
Milwaukee, WI (8th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1908.
Philadelphia, PA (9th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1952.
Newark, NJ (10th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1907.


Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.'---

It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats, yet they are still poor.


"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves." --Abraham Lincoln

So, elect a Republican mayor and everyone's on Easy Street, eh? That's the simple conclusion you seem to have drawn.

But take a closer look. Detroit, Buffalo, Cleveland, Milwaukee. All "North Coast" cities with diminishing industrial opportunities. Globalization and "free" trade ruined these cities along with Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Newark and St. Louis.

El Paso and Miami? Immigration.

Simple minds crave simple solutions. As if electing a Republican mayor would solve everyone's problems!

 

[L.K.Eder]

TEN POOREST CITIES
% of People Below the Poverty Level


1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
5. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%


U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007



What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?


Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961.
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1954.
Cincinnati, OH (3rd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1984.
Cleveland, OH (4th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1989.
Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.
St. Louis, MO (6th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1949.
El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.
Milwaukee, WI (8th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1908.
Philadelphia, PA (9th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1952.
Newark, NJ (10th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1907.


Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.'---

It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats, yet they are still poor.


"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves." --Abraham Lincoln

and if you combine the first letters of these cities you get

DBCCMSEMPN

coinkidink?

 

[Oldandtired]

TEN POOREST CITIES
% of People Below the Poverty Level


1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
5. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%


U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007



What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?


Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961.
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1954.
Cincinnati, OH (3rd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1984.
Cleveland, OH (4th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1989.
Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.
St. Louis, MO (6th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1949.
El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.
Milwaukee, WI (8th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1908.
Philadelphia, PA (9th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1952.
Newark, NJ (10th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1907.


Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.'---

It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats, yet they are still poor.


"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves." --Abraham Lincoln

and if you combine the first letters of these cities you get

DBCCMSEMPN

coinkidink?

Now...there ya go....finally getting with the program!

 

[Oldandtired]

TEN POOREST CITIES
% of People Below the Poverty Level


1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
5. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%


U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007



What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?


Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961.
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1954.
Cincinnati, OH (3rd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1984.
Cleveland, OH (4th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1989.
Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.
St. Louis, MO (6th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1949.
El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.
Milwaukee, WI (8th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1908.
Philadelphia, PA (9th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1952.
Newark, NJ (10th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1907.


Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.'---

It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats, yet they are still poor.


"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves." --Abraham Lincoln

So, elect a Republican mayor and everyone's on Easy Street, eh? That's the simple conclusion you seem to have drawn.

But take a closer look. Detroit, Buffalo, Cleveland, Milwaukee. All "North Coast" cities with diminishing industrial opportunities. Globalization and "free" trade ruined these cities along with Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Newark and St. Louis.

El Paso and Miami? Immigration.

Simple minds crave simple solutions. As if electing a Republican mayor would solve everyone's problems!

Actually, I believe the point expressed with these stats ius that we can say one thing for sure......Democratic policies, no matter what waqs promised on the trail, do not help the poor rise out of being poor.

Does not mean repoublican policies would....but...we KNOW that democratic policies dont.

So is your solution to simply "let them stay poor"?

 

[Nosmo King]

TEN POOREST CITIES
% of People Below the Poverty Level


1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
5. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%


U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007



What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?


Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961.
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1954.
Cincinnati, OH (3rd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1984.
Cleveland, OH (4th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1989.
Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.
St. Louis, MO (6th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1949.
El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.
Milwaukee, WI (8th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1908.
Philadelphia, PA (9th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1952.
Newark, NJ (10th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1907.


Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.'---

It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats, yet they are still poor.


"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves." --Abraham Lincoln

So, elect a Republican mayor and everyone's on Easy Street, eh? That's the simple conclusion you seem to have drawn.

But take a closer look. Detroit, Buffalo, Cleveland, Milwaukee. All "North Coast" cities with diminishing industrial opportunities. Globalization and "free" trade ruined these cities along with Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Newark and St. Louis.

El Paso and Miami? Immigration.

Simple minds crave simple solutions. As if electing a Republican mayor would solve everyone's problems!

Actually, I believe the point expressed with these stats ius that we can say one thing for sure......Democratic policies, no matter what waqs promised on the trail, do not help the poor rise out of being poor.

Does not mean repoublican policies would....but...we KNOW that democratic policies dont.

So is your solution to simply "let them stay poor"?

A blanket solution for these cities is impossible. Cleveland has different concerns from Miami, Philly ain't Cincy.

But, some broad solutions may help. Negotiate Fair trade rather than unregulated 'free' trade. When our overseas competitors are allowed to dump products here at less than the cost of production and shipping, no domestic industry is safe.

Get infrastructure repaired immediately. Roads, bridges, waste water collection and treatment systems are sure fire ways to improve the economy where ever they are designed and built. Oh, use America parts too. Steel, concrete and manpower.

 

[Dr Gregg]

TEN POOREST CITIES
% of People Below the Poverty Level


1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
5. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%


U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007



What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?


Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961.
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1954.
Cincinnati, OH (3rd) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1984.
Cleveland, OH (4th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1989.
Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor.
St. Louis, MO (6th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1949.
El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor.
Milwaukee, WI (8th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1908.
Philadelphia, PA (9th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1952.
Newark, NJ (10th) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1907.


Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results.'---

It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats, yet they are still poor.


"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves." --Abraham Lincoln

and if they would vote republicans, the would be even poorer. Maybe even dead for lack of any gov't help

 

[MaggieMae]

Actually, I believe the point expressed with these stats ius that we can say one thing for sure......Democratic policies, no matter what waqs promised on the trail, do not help the poor rise out of being poor.

Does not mean repoublican policies would....but...we KNOW that democratic policies dont.

So is your solution to simply "let them stay poor"?

Cities and States have their own policies for providing for the poorer classes, in addition to federal programs. However, federal WELFARE programs have diminished over time and Washington can't dictate how each district handles their own people.

One of the reasons major cities see more poverty is that's where people migrate when they lose their jobs in rural areas, and they will tend to live among similar ethnic and cultural groups. It really isn't any big mystery. Slaves moving northward after the emancipation is how inner city pockets of poverty first became a problem, after all.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

A New Scarcity of Jobs

"Some labor experts say the basic functioning of the American economy has changed in ways that make jobs scarce -- particularly for older, less-educated people like Ms. Eisen, who has only a high school diploma.

Large companies are increasingly owned by institutional investors who crave swift profits, a feat often achieved by cutting payroll. The declining influence of unions has made it easier for employers to shift work to part-time and temporary employees. Factory work and even white-collar jobs have moved in recent years to low-cost countries in Asia and Latin America. Automation has helped manufacturing cut 5.6 million jobs since 2000 -- the sort of jobs that once provided lower-skilled workers with middle-class paychecks.

"American business is about maximizing shareholder value," said Allen Sinai, chief global economist at the research firm Decision Economics. "You basically don't want workers. You hire less, and you try to find capital equipment to replace them."

The real reason these areas are now so poor. Imagine if the corporatists one day get their way.

the-new-poor: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

 

[MaggieMae]

A New Scarcity of Jobs

"Some labor experts say the basic functioning of the American economy has changed in ways that make jobs scarce -- particularly for older, less-educated people like Ms. Eisen, who has only a high school diploma.

Large companies are increasingly owned by institutional investors who crave swift profits, a feat often achieved by cutting payroll. The declining influence of unions has made it easier for employers to shift work to part-time and temporary employees. Factory work and even white-collar jobs have moved in recent years to low-cost countries in Asia and Latin America. Automation has helped manufacturing cut 5.6 million jobs since 2000 -- the sort of jobs that once provided lower-skilled workers with middle-class paychecks.

"American business is about maximizing shareholder value," said Allen Sinai, chief global economist at the research firm Decision Economics. "You basically don't want workers. You hire less, and you try to find capital equipment to replace them."

The real reason these areas are now so poor. Imagine if the corporatists one day get their way.

the-new-poor: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

Add to that the fact that the old manufacturing jobs that bit the dust during the current recession are NOT coming back, and those folks will need to be retrained in some other job discipline OR continue on the 'gubmit dole' . The refrain heard throughout the country WHERE ARE THE JOBS is easily answerable --JUST GIVE US JOBS isn't.