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Here are the facts in regards to the H1N1 pandemic
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-pandemic.html
Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.
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Here is obama giving a press conference in regards to it.
He is playing it down and I remember this. Thank.God he did, or else who knows? Panic may have happened if the beloved press told us every day, every hour, every minute of the deaths around the world. Right? What do you think? This pandemic totally different from that pandemic?
So, what I do know is I don't recall shutting down any borders or travel from places. Don't recall widespread mass testing being required. Do you?
I do remember cnn and msnbc and you guys praising the ever lving hell out of him though.
Huh.....
What is it that y’all aren’t getting about this? NO ONE HAS IMMUNITY TO THIS. Unless you’ve already contracted it. This is also worse than Influenza. It’s also highly contagious, with carriers walking around infecting others for a week before showing symptoms. EVERYONE is going to catch this. 1-2% death rate out of a few billion people...is a lot of fucking people. The goal isn’t to contain this, China and the EU fucked any chances of that. The goal is to slow the spread to buy time so our hospitals (who usually run at 90% capacity without a fucking pandemic) don’t get overrun, and have to start denying treatment to thousands who need it. Remember, strokes, cancer complications, kidney failure, and heart attacks aren’t going to be self quarantining while this happening either. Are you getting it now? China committed Probably the biggest crime against humanity in our lifetimes by trying to cover this up.
Here’s A Timeline Of The Coronavirus Outbreak And China’s Coverup
And then the EU also royally fucked up by not banning air travel from China because they were worried about what the fucktards who equate quarantines with racism would think of them. They did eventually ban travel anyway but a month too late. Then the EU became the pathway for this virus into the US as well as the rest of the world.
Here are the facts in regards to the H1N1 pandemic
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-pandemic.html
Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.
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Here is obama giving a press conference in regards to it.
He is playing it down and I remember this. Thank.God he did, or else who knows? Panic may have happened if the beloved press told us every day, every hour, every minute of the deaths around the world. Right Alaska? What do you think? This pandemic totally different from that pandemic Alaska? You, are the expert Alaska.
So, what I do know is I don't recall shutting down any borders or travel from places. Don't recall widespread mass testing being required. Do you?
I do remember cnn and msnbc and you guys praising the ever lving hell out of him though.
Huh.....
I also remember that this thing is more contagious and a hell of a lot more deadly. Not something the press says but literally every infectious disease expert. As we speak this virus is completely overwhelming the healthcare system of Italy, a healthcare system that has more beds, more doctors and more ventilators per capita than the US. So this drumbeat of versions of " this is not serious" seems not only not helpful but actually dangerous.
I truly hope I'm wrong, but chances are this will hit the US as hard if not harder than Italy. At that point though I'm pretty sure you and people like you will claim that they didn't say anything like this or claim some conspiracy.
So.H1N1 was not "really a pandemic."
Got it.
No wonder we weren't told every minute, every hour and svery day of the number of deaths world wide.
No big deal.
Maybe they should do degrees of pandemics, cause that pandemic was obviously no big deal.
No mass testing demanded, no travel bans. I mean, it wasn't a pandemic even though 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. According to the cdc.
Oh boy. Wasn't a pandemic. Good to know.
There are degrees of pandemics. A pandemic of Ebola would be worse than this. H1N1 is less bad than Covid 19.
A pandemic is simply a word that describes a virus that infects people over multiple regions. The infection rate and mortality rate determines the required response to it.
Like the flu every year?
Willing to bet everything I have that human testing is indeed being used. Maybe even working with big pharma.Except we’ve studied the DNA of the virus infecting everyone. It’s a bat strain. You can tell what’s genetically engineered, and what’s just a naturally mutated strain fairly easily. Not a lab strain, just Mother Nature, the same twat that brought us toxoplasmosis, tapeworms, Australian trap door spiders, those fish that swim up your penis, and flying snakes.We do know, because humans and wild bats don’t interact enough to pass diseases to each other...except in Chinese markets. Unless you have some wild bats a little behind on their immunizations, and you like to put them on a leash and take them for a fly at dusk...then you don’t have immunity to this. Even if you did, there’s still a 99% chance you wouldn’t have immunity to this. I explained how virus can jump from animals to humans in my last post on this thread. Go look at that and then you’ll understand why this is a problem.
Which all has absolutely nothing to do with anything. The idea that this came from bats is a cover story floated by the ChiComs. There is a level 4 bioweapon research lab in Wuhan. There were out of control protests in Hong Kong. That calculus adds up far better than some market that has been doing the same thing for the last thousand years suddenly spawning this.
virtually all strains of the flu, or whatever, come from these Chinese markets. When our researchers are making the flu vaccine, they go to China, and pick 3 new strains that emerged there that they think are going to make it America. This is why the flu vaccine isn’t 100% effective. They either don’t pick all 3 of the correct strains, or a 4th strain emerges.
Again go to my post in this thread that starts out “H1N1 was a influenza strain”. I explain how these viruses jump from animals to humans, and how it’s extremely rare to happen...except in Chinese wet markets where the conditions are perfect for it. China’s doesn’t need a bio-lab, the wet markets are far more effective than any lab they could dream of. There’s trillions of mutated viruses, in thousands of different animals, interacting with millions of humans stacked on top of each other. That’s a lot of rolls of the dice to make something truly diabolical.
This isn't influenza, it is corona based. Bioengineering doesn't necessarily involve genetic splicing. Your claim of being able to determine the source is false. China is a brutal regime, makes Mengele and the Nazis look restrained in contrast. Using a market as a wet lab is right in line with what the ChiComs are known to do.
Can you explain what you mean by saying bioengineering doesn’t necessarily involve genetic splicing in context of this virus?
Mengele used to inject his victims with rubella, rabies, parvo, etc. to induce new diseases. China could and likely does the same with no direct editing of genomes.
I didn’t say anything about splicing. You don’t understand genetics, and watch too many movies where the scientist drops a vial, everyone in room eye’s explode, and there’s a pandemic. We are not good at genetic engineering, not yet at least. We can do some novelty things with glow in the dark bunnies, but usually those come with consequences to those bunnies. Genetic engineering is a lot like those puzzles in video games, where there’s 4 levers you need to flip up. You flip one lever, and two others go down, you flip another and the one you just flipped goes back down. Same with genetics, genetic codes often work in tandem with each other...except there’s millions of levers to flip. You change one gene and it messes with this other genetic function unexpectedly. For a disease to successfully spread, depends on a lot of factors. How is it transmitted? By skin to skin/surface contact, contact with feces, bodily fluids, blood, or air. Air is the easiest to spread. Now, a disease then requires a minimum number of virus/bacteria to actually make you sick, usually a few 100 individual virus/bacteria don’t do the trick, you body will just kill those off before it actually makes you sick. The lower that number is, the easier it is to contract and make you sick. Then you wonder how easy is it to contain usually deals with when you become infectious to other, and when do symptoms start to show. Take Ebola, very scary and deadly disease, but easy to contain because symptoms show, then you become infectious. Covid on the other hand, you’re infectious for a week before you show symptoms. The quicker the disease makes you sick, the easier it is to contain. Another question is how fast does this disease replicate in the body, meaning how long will it take for your body to fight off this infection, sometimes it replicates so fast, you’re body can’t, and you die. And the biggest is, does it actually have the ability to infect humans. You start messing with genes, you start messing with all of the factors I just mentioned, and you have no clue what you’re going to end up with. Any epidemiologist will tell you they’re more worried about a new disease naturally popping up, then they are the broken vial in a bio-lab. Because they are working with human strains, which there will be a certain amount of the population who has antibodies around that’ll attach to the antigens of that disease. Now maybe a couple of governments got lucky and made a disease that’s truly devastating. But they take great measure to keep those locked away safe because they don’t want to die. Usually they make diseases that replicated so fast they overwhelm the body, like anthrax. Problem with those diseases is they’re easy to quarantine and contain, and even patients usually die so fast they don’t have a chance to infect a lot of people. Covid is a bat strain, that mutated and jumped to humans. Humans and bats don’t spend a lot of time sitting next to each other on airplanes. No one has immunity to this.Except we’ve studied the DNA of the virus infecting everyone. It’s a bat strain. You can tell what’s genetically engineered, and what’s just a naturally mutated strain fairly easily. Not a lab strain, just Mother Nature, the same twat that brought us toxoplasmosis, tapeworms, Australian trap door spiders, those fish that swim up your penis, and flying snakes.We do know, because humans and wild bats don’t interact enough to pass diseases to each other...except in Chinese markets. Unless you have some wild bats a little behind on their immunizations, and you like to put them on a leash and take them for a fly at dusk...then you don’t have immunity to this. Even if you did, there’s still a 99% chance you wouldn’t have immunity to this. I explained how virus can jump from animals to humans in my last post on this thread. Go look at that and then you’ll understand why this is a problem.
Which all has absolutely nothing to do with anything. The idea that this came from bats is a cover story floated by the ChiComs. There is a level 4 bioweapon research lab in Wuhan. There were out of control protests in Hong Kong. That calculus adds up far better than some market that has been doing the same thing for the last thousand years suddenly spawning this.
virtually all strains of the flu, or whatever, come from these Chinese markets. When our researchers are making the flu vaccine, they go to China, and pick 3 new strains that emerged there that they think are going to make it America. This is why the flu vaccine isn’t 100% effective. They either don’t pick all 3 of the correct strains, or a 4th strain emerges.
Again go to my post in this thread that starts out “H1N1 was a influenza strain”. I explain how these viruses jump from animals to humans, and how it’s extremely rare to happen...except in Chinese wet markets where the conditions are perfect for it. China’s doesn’t need a bio-lab, the wet markets are far more effective than any lab they could dream of. There’s trillions of mutated viruses, in thousands of different animals, interacting with millions of humans stacked on top of each other. That’s a lot of rolls of the dice to make something truly diabolical.
This isn't influenza, it is corona based. Bioengineering doesn't necessarily involve genetic splicing. Your claim of being able to determine the source is false. China is a brutal regime, makes Mengele and the Nazis look restrained in contrast. Using a market as a wet lab is right in line with what the ChiComs are known to do.
It’s starting to feel like the Trump rebranding of the Coronavirus is leading you to these conclusions.Willing to bet everything I have that human testing is indeed being used. Maybe even working with big pharma.Except we’ve studied the DNA of the virus infecting everyone. It’s a bat strain. You can tell what’s genetically engineered, and what’s just a naturally mutated strain fairly easily. Not a lab strain, just Mother Nature, the same twat that brought us toxoplasmosis, tapeworms, Australian trap door spiders, those fish that swim up your penis, and flying snakes.Which all has absolutely nothing to do with anything. The idea that this came from bats is a cover story floated by the ChiComs. There is a level 4 bioweapon research lab in Wuhan. There were out of control protests in Hong Kong. That calculus adds up far better than some market that has been doing the same thing for the last thousand years suddenly spawning this.
virtually all strains of the flu, or whatever, come from these Chinese markets. When our researchers are making the flu vaccine, they go to China, and pick 3 new strains that emerged there that they think are going to make it America. This is why the flu vaccine isn’t 100% effective. They either don’t pick all 3 of the correct strains, or a 4th strain emerges.
Again go to my post in this thread that starts out “H1N1 was a influenza strain”. I explain how these viruses jump from animals to humans, and how it’s extremely rare to happen...except in Chinese wet markets where the conditions are perfect for it. China’s doesn’t need a bio-lab, the wet markets are far more effective than any lab they could dream of. There’s trillions of mutated viruses, in thousands of different animals, interacting with millions of humans stacked on top of each other. That’s a lot of rolls of the dice to make something truly diabolical.
This isn't influenza, it is corona based. Bioengineering doesn't necessarily involve genetic splicing. Your claim of being able to determine the source is false. China is a brutal regime, makes Mengele and the Nazis look restrained in contrast. Using a market as a wet lab is right in line with what the ChiComs are known to do.
Can you explain what you mean by saying bioengineering doesn’t necessarily involve genetic splicing in context of this virus?
Mengele used to inject his victims with rubella, rabies, parvo, etc. to induce new diseases. China could and likely does the same with no direct editing of genomes.
Hate to think about it, but I am willing to bet it. The sick or "undesirables" etc used for all sorts of experiments that we would die if we found out.
Would it shock anyone if we found that out?
Here are the facts in regards to the H1N1 pandemic
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-pandemic.html
Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.
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Here is obama giving a press conference in regards to it.
He is playing it down and I remember this. Thank.God he did, or else who knows? Panic may have happened if the beloved press told us every day, every hour, every minute of the deaths around the world. Right Alaska? What do you think? This pandemic totally different from that pandemic Alaska? You, are the expert Alaska.
So, what I do know is I don't recall shutting down any borders or travel from places. Don't recall widespread mass testing being required. Do you?
I do remember cnn and msnbc and you guys praising the ever lving hell out of him though.
Huh.....
I also remember that this thing is more contagious and a hell of a lot more deadly. Not something the press says but literally every infectious disease expert. As we speak this virus is completely overwhelming the healthcare system of Italy, a healthcare system that has more beds, more doctors and more ventilators per capita than the US. So this drumbeat of versions of " this is not serious" seems not only not helpful but actually dangerous.
I truly hope I'm wrong, but chances are this will hit the US as hard if not harder than Italy. At that point though I'm pretty sure you and people like you will claim that they didn't say anything like this or claim some conspiracy.
So.H1N1 was not "really a pandemic."
Got it.
No wonder we weren't told every minute, every hour and svery day of the number of deaths world wide.
No big deal.
Maybe they should do degrees of pandemics, cause that pandemic was obviously no big deal.
No mass testing demanded, no travel bans. I mean, it wasn't a pandemic even though 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. According to the cdc.
Oh boy. Wasn't a pandemic. Good to know.
You act like being afraid of a virus that kills 1 in 50 and puts 1 in 5 in the hospital is unreasonable while you seem to be afraid of a word.
That rate is NOT CONFIRMED........too many aren't recorded........the rate will probably be more like 1%....on the ship where they were isolated.........the rate was 1.2% and so far the best unbiased test on this virus.
1.2% Is nothing to scoff at. It's also not even the full story. A much higher percentage needs hospitalization. Let's put it like this. It's from a meme but illustrates it perfectly. If I give you a hundred skittles and tell you that 1 will kill you and 5 will put you in the hospital will you eat any of them?
That's a very poor analogy. Of course you wouldn't eat them. Just like you wouldn't eat COVID-19 cell cultures. That's not the point here. Nobody is saying it's fun to have COVID-19, or that it's impossible to die from COVID-19. What is being criticized is the disproportionate response to COVID-19 in the U.S. compared to every other similar infectious disease pandemic in modern history.
A more apt analogy, using the "deadly" skittles example, would be a scenario in which the skittles were spreading about the country and had come into the possession of approximately 0.006% of the U.S. population, killing 1 in every 100 of those people, what do you feel would be the appropriate response? Do you believe it would be a proportionate response, weighing the human life and macro-economic factors in your calculus, to shut down all non-essential private businesses across the entire nation (and putting their employees out of work) for between one and three months? How many lives must be saved in your calculus to justify the nationwide macro-economic fallout of doing so?
Here's another similar exercise. There are 36,000 traffic fatalities in the U.S. each year. We could eliminate all of those -- save 36,000 people each year -- if we only eliminate motor vehicles. It's something that could feasibly be accomplished through varying degrees of government intervention. But at what cost? Interstate and intrastate shipping and supply chains would dry up, prices of goods and gasoline would skyrocket, food would become scarce and/or unaffordable. Unemployment would go through the roof. Homes would be lost on a scale never before seen. How many more would die under these conditions than the 36,000 saved by eliminating motor vehicles?
These are the questions people should be asking while we "shelter in place" at the instruction of the government, and fight for $10 rolls of toilet paper.
Here are the facts in regards to the H1N1 pandemic
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-pandemic.html
Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.
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Here is obama giving a press conference in regards to it.
He is playing it down and I remember this. Thank.God he did, or else who knows? Panic may have happened if the beloved press told us every day, every hour, every minute of the deaths around the world. Right? What do you think? This pandemic totally different from that pandemic?
So, what I do know is I don't recall shutting down any borders or travel from places. Don't recall widespread mass testing being required. Do you?
I do remember cnn and msnbc and you guys praising the ever lving hell out of him though.
Huh.....
What an asshole you are, no one is celebrating. Except for you. A bunch of melting whining snowflakes casting blame everywhere but where it really belongs: nowhere.The only 2 Coronaviruses I'm aware of is the Democratic one where everyone is celebrating and hoping for the worst, thinking that will help them beat Trump, and the Republican one where we are in a life or death battle, trying to defeat it.
Those are all diseases that have been infecting humans for millennia.Except we’ve studied the DNA of the virus infecting everyone. It’s a bat strain. You can tell what’s genetically engineered, and what’s just a naturally mutated strain fairly easily. Not a lab strain, just Mother Nature, the same twat that brought us toxoplasmosis, tapeworms, Australian trap door spiders, those fish that swim up your penis, and flying snakes.We do know, because humans and wild bats don’t interact enough to pass diseases to each other...except in Chinese markets. Unless you have some wild bats a little behind on their immunizations, and you like to put them on a leash and take them for a fly at dusk...then you don’t have immunity to this. Even if you did, there’s still a 99% chance you wouldn’t have immunity to this. I explained how virus can jump from animals to humans in my last post on this thread. Go look at that and then you’ll understand why this is a problem.
Which all has absolutely nothing to do with anything. The idea that this came from bats is a cover story floated by the ChiComs. There is a level 4 bioweapon research lab in Wuhan. There were out of control protests in Hong Kong. That calculus adds up far better than some market that has been doing the same thing for the last thousand years suddenly spawning this.
virtually all strains of the flu, or whatever, come from these Chinese markets. When our researchers are making the flu vaccine, they go to China, and pick 3 new strains that emerged there that they think are going to make it America. This is why the flu vaccine isn’t 100% effective. They either don’t pick all 3 of the correct strains, or a 4th strain emerges.
Again go to my post in this thread that starts out “H1N1 was a influenza strain”. I explain how these viruses jump from animals to humans, and how it’s extremely rare to happen...except in Chinese wet markets where the conditions are perfect for it. China’s doesn’t need a bio-lab, the wet markets are far more effective than any lab they could dream of. There’s trillions of mutated viruses, in thousands of different animals, interacting with millions of humans stacked on top of each other. That’s a lot of rolls of the dice to make something truly diabolical.
This isn't influenza, it is corona based. Bioengineering doesn't necessarily involve genetic splicing. Your claim of being able to determine the source is false. China is a brutal regime, makes Mengele and the Nazis look restrained in contrast. Using a market as a wet lab is right in line with what the ChiComs are known to do.
Can you explain what you mean by saying bioengineering doesn’t necessarily involve genetic splicing in context of this virus?
Mengele used to inject his victims with rubella, rabies, parvo, etc. to induce new diseases. China could and likely does the same with no direct editing of genomes.
Here are the facts in regards to the H1N1 pandemic
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-pandemic.html
Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.
-------------
Here is obama giving a press conference in regards to it.
He is playing it down and I remember this. Thank.God he did, or else who knows? Panic may have happened if the beloved press told us every day, every hour, every minute of the deaths around the world. Right Alaska? What do you think? This pandemic totally different from that pandemic Alaska? You, are the expert Alaska.
So, what I do know is I don't recall shutting down any borders or travel from places. Don't recall widespread mass testing being required. Do you?
I do remember cnn and msnbc and you guys praising the ever lving hell out of him though.
Huh.....
I also remember that this thing is more contagious and a hell of a lot more deadly. Not something the press says but literally every infectious disease expert. As we speak this virus is completely overwhelming the healthcare system of Italy, a healthcare system that has more beds, more doctors and more ventilators per capita than the US. So this drumbeat of versions of " this is not serious" seems not only not helpful but actually dangerous.
I truly hope I'm wrong, but chances are this will hit the US as hard if not harder than Italy. At that point though I'm pretty sure you and people like you will claim that they didn't say anything like this or claim some conspiracy.
Here are the facts in regards to the H1N1 pandemic
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-pandemic.html
Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.
-------------
Here is obama giving a press conference in regards to it.
He is playing it down and I remember this. Thank.God he did, or else who knows? Panic may have happened if the beloved press told us every day, every hour, every minute of the deaths around the world. Right? What do you think? This pandemic totally different from that pandemic?
So, what I do know is I don't recall shutting down any borders or travel from places. Don't recall widespread mass testing being required. Do you?
I do remember cnn and msnbc and you guys praising the ever lving hell out of him though.
Huh.....
What is it that y’all aren’t getting about this? NO ONE HAS IMMUNITY TO THIS. Unless you’ve already contracted it. This is also worse than Influenza. It’s also highly contagious, with carriers walking around infecting others for a week before showing symptoms. EVERYONE is going to catch this. 1-2% death rate out of a few billion people...is a lot of fucking people. The goal isn’t to contain this, China and the EU fucked any chances of that. The goal is to slow the spread to buy time so our hospitals (who usually run at 90% capacity without a fucking pandemic) don’t get overrun, and have to start denying treatment to thousands who need it. Remember, strokes, cancer complications, kidney failure, and heart attacks aren’t going to be self quarantining while this happening either. Are you getting it now? China committed Probably the biggest crime against humanity in our lifetimes by trying to cover this up.
Here’s A Timeline Of The Coronavirus Outbreak And China’s Coverup
And then the EU also royally fucked up by not banning air travel from China because they were worried about what the fucktards who equate quarantines with racism would think of them. They did eventually ban travel anyway but a month too late. Then the EU became the pathway for this virus into the US as well as the rest of the world.
By the way
Italy Banned Flights From China Before America - It Didn’t Work
Travel bans on specific countries can delay but will not stop the virus reaching you. Only way to stop that is a total isolation.
There is no information where the virus is coming from. Actually EU countries are setting up huge departments to do contact tracing, gov employees are being used, since the universities are closed they have taken whole years and put them at that...
1 in 5? You’re nuts
That rate is NOT CONFIRMED........too many aren't recorded........the rate will probably be more like 1%....on the ship where they were isolated.........the rate was 1.2% and so far the best unbiased test on this virus.You act like being afraid of a virus that kills 1 in 50 and puts 1 in 5 in the hospital is unreasonable while you seem to be afraid of a word.So.H1N1 was not "really a pandemic."I also remember that this thing is more contagious and a hell of a lot more deadly. Not something the press says but literally every infectious disease expert. As we speak this virus is completely overwhelming the healthcare system of Italy, a healthcare system that has more beds, more doctors and more ventilators per capita than the US. So this drumbeat of versions of " this is not serious" seems not only not helpful but actually dangerous.
I truly hope I'm wrong, but chances are this will hit the US as hard if not harder than Italy. At that point though I'm pretty sure you and people like you will claim that they didn't say anything like this or claim some conspiracy.
Got it.
No wonder we weren't told every minute, every hour and svery day of the number of deaths world wide.
No big deal.
Maybe they should do degrees of pandemics, cause that pandemic was obviously no big deal.
No mass testing demanded, no travel bans. I mean, it wasn't a pandemic even though 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. According to the cdc.
Oh boy. Wasn't a pandemic. Good to know.
1.2% Is nothing to scoff at. It's also not even the full story. A much higher percentage needs hospitalization. Let's put it like this. It's from a meme but illustrates it perfectly. If I give you a hundred skittles and tell you that 1 will kill you and 5 will put you in the hospital will you eat any of them?
That's a very poor analogy. Of course you wouldn't eat them. Just like you wouldn't eat COVID-19 cell cultures. That's not the point here. Nobody is saying it's fun to have COVID-19, or that it's impossible to die from COVID-19. What is being criticized is the disproportionate response to COVID-19 in the U.S. compared to every other similar infectious disease pandemic in modern history.
A more apt analogy, using the "deadly" skittles example, would be a scenario in which the skittles were spreading about the country and had come into the possession of approximately 0.006% of the U.S. population, killing 1 in every 100 of those people, what do you feel would be the appropriate response? Do you believe it would be a proportionate response, weighing the human life and macro-economic factors in your calculus, to shut down all non-essential private businesses across the entire nation (and putting their employees out of work) for between one and three months? How many lives must be saved in your calculus to justify the nationwide macro-economic fallout of doing so?
Here's another similar exercise. There are 36,000 traffic fatalities in the U.S. each year. We could eliminate all of those -- save 36,000 people each year -- if we only eliminate motor vehicles. It's something that could feasibly be accomplished through varying degrees of government intervention. But at what cost? Interstate and intrastate shipping and supply chains would dry up, prices of goods and gasoline would skyrocket, food would become scarce and/or unaffordable. Unemployment would go through the roof. Homes would be lost on a scale never before seen. How many more would die under these conditions than the 36,000 saved by eliminating motor vehicles?
These are the questions people should be asking while we "shelter in place" at the instruction of the government, and fight for $10 rolls of toilet paper.
Since every one of these "skittles" have an unlimited capacity to make more skittles throughout the entire populace I find the response designed to limit the rate in which these "skittles" can spread, an entirely sensible response. Why don't you?
As to your comparison with other pandemics in recent memory. The link you provided by the CDC put the mortality of H1N1 at below 0.1 percent while by your own estimate you put Covid 19 at 1.2. That's 1200 percent% more deadly at the low end. Do you find it reasonable to expect the response to something that is 12 times more deadly than something else to be the same?
By the way I love how you call somebody a liar to when you lie by omission throughout this conversation. Unless you are unaware of course that a virus will spread and your 0.006 percent has zero to do with what it will be eventually. H1N1 infected 60 million people in the US. Experts agree that this is more easily transmitted. But at only 1% mortality even 60 million infections means 600000 deaths. Or to put it in your terms about what, 17 times more deadly than traffic in the US?
I can only apologize. I was under the impression that I was talking to Eagle. The post is very similar in content. To respond to you in particular. We aren't talking about traffic deaths. We are talking about something that has the potential to kill millions in the US alone. This to me justifies a response that has macro-economical downsides. As I said comparing this to other recent pandemics doesn't make any sense since it's many times more deadly. It hospitalizes many more people and the symptoms that put them there ensure a long admittance straining the capacity of medical personal to deal with them. This as a consequence puts more lives than just those infected at risk. This is not speculation in the sense that is already happening in other countries. Seeing that there is absolutely no reason to assume the virus will act in another way in the US.That rate is NOT CONFIRMED........too many aren't recorded........the rate will probably be more like 1%....on the ship where they were isolated.........the rate was 1.2% and so far the best unbiased test on this virus.You act like being afraid of a virus that kills 1 in 50 and puts 1 in 5 in the hospital is unreasonable while you seem to be afraid of a word.So.H1N1 was not "really a pandemic."I also remember that this thing is more contagious and a hell of a lot more deadly. Not something the press says but literally every infectious disease expert. As we speak this virus is completely overwhelming the healthcare system of Italy, a healthcare system that has more beds, more doctors and more ventilators per capita than the US. So this drumbeat of versions of " this is not serious" seems not only not helpful but actually dangerous.
I truly hope I'm wrong, but chances are this will hit the US as hard if not harder than Italy. At that point though I'm pretty sure you and people like you will claim that they didn't say anything like this or claim some conspiracy.
Got it.
No wonder we weren't told every minute, every hour and svery day of the number of deaths world wide.
No big deal.
Maybe they should do degrees of pandemics, cause that pandemic was obviously no big deal.
No mass testing demanded, no travel bans. I mean, it wasn't a pandemic even though 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. According to the cdc.
Oh boy. Wasn't a pandemic. Good to know.
1.2% Is nothing to scoff at. It's also not even the full story. A much higher percentage needs hospitalization. Let's put it like this. It's from a meme but illustrates it perfectly. If I give you a hundred skittles and tell you that 1 will kill you and 5 will put you in the hospital will you eat any of them?
That's a very poor analogy. Of course you wouldn't eat them. Just like you wouldn't eat COVID-19 cell cultures. That's not the point here. Nobody is saying it's fun to have COVID-19, or that it's impossible to die from COVID-19. What is being criticized is the disproportionate response to COVID-19 in the U.S. compared to every other similar infectious disease pandemic in modern history.
A more apt analogy, using the "deadly" skittles example, would be a scenario in which the skittles were spreading about the country and had come into the possession of approximately 0.006% of the U.S. population, killing 1 in every 100 of those people, what do you feel would be the appropriate response? Do you believe it would be a proportionate response, weighing the human life and macro-economic factors in your calculus, to shut down all non-essential private businesses across the entire nation (and putting their employees out of work) for between one and three months? How many lives must be saved in your calculus to justify the nationwide macro-economic fallout of doing so?
Here's another similar exercise. There are 36,000 traffic fatalities in the U.S. each year. We could eliminate all of those -- save 36,000 people each year -- if we only eliminate motor vehicles. It's something that could feasibly be accomplished through varying degrees of government intervention. But at what cost? Interstate and intrastate shipping and supply chains would dry up, prices of goods and gasoline would skyrocket, food would become scarce and/or unaffordable. Unemployment would go through the roof. Homes would be lost on a scale never before seen. How many more would die under these conditions than the 36,000 saved by eliminating motor vehicles?
These are the questions people should be asking while we "shelter in place" at the instruction of the government, and fight for $10 rolls of toilet paper.
Since every one of these "skittles" have an unlimited capacity to make more skittles throughout the entire populace I find the response designed to limit the rate in which these "skittles" can spread, an entirely sensible response. Why don't you?
As to your comparison with other pandemics in recent memory. The link you provided by the CDC put the mortality of H1N1 at below 0.1 percent while by your own estimate you put Covid 19 at 1.2. That's 1200 percent% more deadly at the low end. Do you find it reasonable to expect the response to something that is 12 times more deadly than something else to be the same?
By the way I love how you call somebody a liar to when you lie by omission throughout this conversation. Unless you are unaware of course that a virus will spread and your 0.006 percent has zero to do with what it will be eventually. H1N1 infected 60 million people in the US. Experts agree that this is more easily transmitted. But at only 1% mortality even 60 million infections means 600000 deaths. Or to put it in your terms about what, 17 times more deadly than traffic in the US?
I'm going to assume this response is just an amalgamation of your responses to everyone in the post tree, as I did not call you a liar anywhere in my post (which you claimed I did as your justification for calling me a liar), and I did not post a link to the CDC anywhere in my post (which you claimed I did in order to mix straw man numbers with my post to challenge it). Can you parse out who you're referring to in each of these statements since I'd rather not do a line by line analysis of the entire post tree ... or if you're just making things up to attribute to me that's fine, you can just say that.
Data from China shows that 20% of COVID-19 patients, though, are serious enough to get sent to the hospital. That's about ten times more often than flu. Even though a great many people are hospitalized for the flu — the preliminary data for the 2018-19 flu season is nearly half a million — the rate of hospitalization is far lower: 1-2% percent of cases, according to the CDC.How The Novel Coronavirus And The Flu Are Alike ... And Different1 in 5? You’re nuts
Liberals LIE because they are lying POS worthless scum unworthy of being Americans.
Traffic deaths worldwide is 3700 a day. Hahaha hahahaI can only apologize. I was under the impression that I was talking to Eagle. The post is very similar in content. To respond to you in particular. We aren't talking about traffic deaths. We are talking about something that has the potential to kill millions in the US alone. This to me justifies a response that has macro-economical downsides. As I said comparing this to other recent pandemics doesn't make any sense since it's many times more deadly. It hospitalizes many more people and the symptoms that put them there ensure a long admittance straining the capacity of medical personal to deal with them. This as a consequence puts more lives than just those infected at risk. This is not speculation in the sense that is already happening in other countries. Seeing that there is absolutely no reason to assume the virus will act in another way in the US.That rate is NOT CONFIRMED........too many aren't recorded........the rate will probably be more like 1%....on the ship where they were isolated.........the rate was 1.2% and so far the best unbiased test on this virus.You act like being afraid of a virus that kills 1 in 50 and puts 1 in 5 in the hospital is unreasonable while you seem to be afraid of a word.So.H1N1 was not "really a pandemic."
Got it.
No wonder we weren't told every minute, every hour and svery day of the number of deaths world wide.
No big deal.
Maybe they should do degrees of pandemics, cause that pandemic was obviously no big deal.
No mass testing demanded, no travel bans. I mean, it wasn't a pandemic even though 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. According to the cdc.
Oh boy. Wasn't a pandemic. Good to know.
1.2% Is nothing to scoff at. It's also not even the full story. A much higher percentage needs hospitalization. Let's put it like this. It's from a meme but illustrates it perfectly. If I give you a hundred skittles and tell you that 1 will kill you and 5 will put you in the hospital will you eat any of them?
That's a very poor analogy. Of course you wouldn't eat them. Just like you wouldn't eat COVID-19 cell cultures. That's not the point here. Nobody is saying it's fun to have COVID-19, or that it's impossible to die from COVID-19. What is being criticized is the disproportionate response to COVID-19 in the U.S. compared to every other similar infectious disease pandemic in modern history.
A more apt analogy, using the "deadly" skittles example, would be a scenario in which the skittles were spreading about the country and had come into the possession of approximately 0.006% of the U.S. population, killing 1 in every 100 of those people, what do you feel would be the appropriate response? Do you believe it would be a proportionate response, weighing the human life and macro-economic factors in your calculus, to shut down all non-essential private businesses across the entire nation (and putting their employees out of work) for between one and three months? How many lives must be saved in your calculus to justify the nationwide macro-economic fallout of doing so?
Here's another similar exercise. There are 36,000 traffic fatalities in the U.S. each year. We could eliminate all of those -- save 36,000 people each year -- if we only eliminate motor vehicles. It's something that could feasibly be accomplished through varying degrees of government intervention. But at what cost? Interstate and intrastate shipping and supply chains would dry up, prices of goods and gasoline would skyrocket, food would become scarce and/or unaffordable. Unemployment would go through the roof. Homes would be lost on a scale never before seen. How many more would die under these conditions than the 36,000 saved by eliminating motor vehicles?
These are the questions people should be asking while we "shelter in place" at the instruction of the government, and fight for $10 rolls of toilet paper.
Since every one of these "skittles" have an unlimited capacity to make more skittles throughout the entire populace I find the response designed to limit the rate in which these "skittles" can spread, an entirely sensible response. Why don't you?
As to your comparison with other pandemics in recent memory. The link you provided by the CDC put the mortality of H1N1 at below 0.1 percent while by your own estimate you put Covid 19 at 1.2. That's 1200 percent% more deadly at the low end. Do you find it reasonable to expect the response to something that is 12 times more deadly than something else to be the same?
By the way I love how you call somebody a liar to when you lie by omission throughout this conversation. Unless you are unaware of course that a virus will spread and your 0.006 percent has zero to do with what it will be eventually. H1N1 infected 60 million people in the US. Experts agree that this is more easily transmitted. But at only 1% mortality even 60 million infections means 600000 deaths. Or to put it in your terms about what, 17 times more deadly than traffic in the US?
I'm going to assume this response is just an amalgamation of your responses to everyone in the post tree, as I did not call you a liar anywhere in my post (which you claimed I did as your justification for calling me a liar), and I did not post a link to the CDC anywhere in my post (which you claimed I did in order to mix straw man numbers with my post to challenge it). Can you parse out who you're referring to in each of these statements since I'd rather not do a line by line analysis of the entire post tree ... or if you're just making things up to attribute to me that's fine, you can just say that.
I find the reaction to try to downplay the danger this virus entails dangerous since it makes people less likely to protect themselves and others from infection. And considerations of economical damage should pale in consideration to the very real human cost.
I apologize again for mixing up the post,I guess I get them jumbled.
They’re healthcare does that, it’s why I like oursData from China shows that 20% of COVID-19 patients, though, are serious enough to get sent to the hospital. That's about ten times more often than flu. Even though a great many people are hospitalized for the flu — the preliminary data for the 2018-19 flu season is nearly half a million — the rate of hospitalization is far lower: 1-2% percent of cases, according to the CDC.How The Novel Coronavirus And The Flu Are Alike ... And Different1 in 5? You’re nuts
Liberals LIE because they are lying POS worthless scum unworthy of being Americans.
But hey don't let facts stand in your way
Yes and Covid 19 on a population of 7.2billion 50 percent infection rate and a 1 percent mortality rate would kill 36 million a year, what's your point? This on the wrong assumption that the entire world has a high level of medical care.Traffic deaths worldwide is 3700 a day. Hahaha hahahaI can only apologize. I was under the impression that I was talking to Eagle. The post is very similar in content. To respond to you in particular. We aren't talking about traffic deaths. We are talking about something that has the potential to kill millions in the US alone. This to me justifies a response that has macro-economical downsides. As I said comparing this to other recent pandemics doesn't make any sense since it's many times more deadly. It hospitalizes many more people and the symptoms that put them there ensure a long admittance straining the capacity of medical personal to deal with them. This as a consequence puts more lives than just those infected at risk. This is not speculation in the sense that is already happening in other countries. Seeing that there is absolutely no reason to assume the virus will act in another way in the US.That rate is NOT CONFIRMED........too many aren't recorded........the rate will probably be more like 1%....on the ship where they were isolated.........the rate was 1.2% and so far the best unbiased test on this virus.You act like being afraid of a virus that kills 1 in 50 and puts 1 in 5 in the hospital is unreasonable while you seem to be afraid of a word.
1.2% Is nothing to scoff at. It's also not even the full story. A much higher percentage needs hospitalization. Let's put it like this. It's from a meme but illustrates it perfectly. If I give you a hundred skittles and tell you that 1 will kill you and 5 will put you in the hospital will you eat any of them?
That's a very poor analogy. Of course you wouldn't eat them. Just like you wouldn't eat COVID-19 cell cultures. That's not the point here. Nobody is saying it's fun to have COVID-19, or that it's impossible to die from COVID-19. What is being criticized is the disproportionate response to COVID-19 in the U.S. compared to every other similar infectious disease pandemic in modern history.
A more apt analogy, using the "deadly" skittles example, would be a scenario in which the skittles were spreading about the country and had come into the possession of approximately 0.006% of the U.S. population, killing 1 in every 100 of those people, what do you feel would be the appropriate response? Do you believe it would be a proportionate response, weighing the human life and macro-economic factors in your calculus, to shut down all non-essential private businesses across the entire nation (and putting their employees out of work) for between one and three months? How many lives must be saved in your calculus to justify the nationwide macro-economic fallout of doing so?
Here's another similar exercise. There are 36,000 traffic fatalities in the U.S. each year. We could eliminate all of those -- save 36,000 people each year -- if we only eliminate motor vehicles. It's something that could feasibly be accomplished through varying degrees of government intervention. But at what cost? Interstate and intrastate shipping and supply chains would dry up, prices of goods and gasoline would skyrocket, food would become scarce and/or unaffordable. Unemployment would go through the roof. Homes would be lost on a scale never before seen. How many more would die under these conditions than the 36,000 saved by eliminating motor vehicles?
These are the questions people should be asking while we "shelter in place" at the instruction of the government, and fight for $10 rolls of toilet paper.
Since every one of these "skittles" have an unlimited capacity to make more skittles throughout the entire populace I find the response designed to limit the rate in which these "skittles" can spread, an entirely sensible response. Why don't you?
As to your comparison with other pandemics in recent memory. The link you provided by the CDC put the mortality of H1N1 at below 0.1 percent while by your own estimate you put Covid 19 at 1.2. That's 1200 percent% more deadly at the low end. Do you find it reasonable to expect the response to something that is 12 times more deadly than something else to be the same?
By the way I love how you call somebody a liar to when you lie by omission throughout this conversation. Unless you are unaware of course that a virus will spread and your 0.006 percent has zero to do with what it will be eventually. H1N1 infected 60 million people in the US. Experts agree that this is more easily transmitted. But at only 1% mortality even 60 million infections means 600000 deaths. Or to put it in your terms about what, 17 times more deadly than traffic in the US?
I'm going to assume this response is just an amalgamation of your responses to everyone in the post tree, as I did not call you a liar anywhere in my post (which you claimed I did as your justification for calling me a liar), and I did not post a link to the CDC anywhere in my post (which you claimed I did in order to mix straw man numbers with my post to challenge it). Can you parse out who you're referring to in each of these statements since I'd rather not do a line by line analysis of the entire post tree ... or if you're just making things up to attribute to me that's fine, you can just say that.
I find the reaction to try to downplay the danger this virus entails dangerous since it makes people less likely to protect themselves and others from infection. And considerations of economical damage should pale in consideration to the very real human cost.
I apologize again for mixing up the post,I guess I get them jumbled.
we will be at 1 million in 270 days
Oh, you're asserting that the US sends people who suffer severe pneumonia home? Wich is how a severe case of Covid 19 manifests itself.They’re healthcare does that, it’s why I like oursData from China shows that 20% of COVID-19 patients, though, are serious enough to get sent to the hospital. That's about ten times more often than flu. Even though a great many people are hospitalized for the flu — the preliminary data for the 2018-19 flu season is nearly half a million — the rate of hospitalization is far lower: 1-2% percent of cases, according to the CDC.How The Novel Coronavirus And The Flu Are Alike ... And Different1 in 5? You’re nuts
Liberals LIE because they are lying POS worthless scum unworthy of being Americans.
But hey don't let facts stand in your way
Here are the facts in regards to the H1N1 pandemic
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-pandemic.html
Additionally, CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older.
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Here is obama giving a press conference in regards to it.
He is playing it down and I remember this. Thank.God he did, or else who knows? Panic may have happened if the beloved press told us every day, every hour, every minute of the deaths around the world. Right? What do you think? This pandemic totally different from that pandemic?
So, what I do know is I don't recall shutting down any borders or travel from places. Don't recall widespread mass testing being required. Do you?
I do remember cnn and msnbc and you guys praising the ever lving hell out of him though.
Huh.....
