The 'Take Care of Me' Society is Wrecking the USA

[mskafka]

#58-They'll come back if you keep voting Dem...people don't know history...

It looks like my other option is going to be Romney or Gingrich. Trust me; if those were my only two choices in the whole election....I wouldn't vote.

Ron Paul is the only rational GOP nominee, and he stands a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination. And I won't vote for him as a write-in, simply because I don't want to take votes away from Obama. You have my word-Romney vs. Obama-DEFINITELY OBAMA. No worries about that.

 

[chanel]

I know someone. Lost his six figure sales job last year and refuses to take anything for less. Owns 2 homes and a boat. Should we help pay his mortgages? His kids' tuition? And if so, for how long? Infinitely?

So....is your answer......1?

While your anecdotal example seems entirely contrived......I don't think this guy is the demon outlined in the OP.

My anecdote is not contrived, and fortunately I don't know many people out of work.

If this guy is waiting for the perfect job, then that's his perogative. But I asked if he should get help with his mortgages and his kids' college tuition? And how long should he be able to collect unemployment? Simple questions.

 

[The T]

The least among us getting blamed for all that's wrong with this country.

Not very Christian if you ask me.

Gotta love how the left invoke faith when it is convenient to the argument for them. Other than that they scream separation of church and state.

They are very adept at practicing hypocricy though.

 

[The T]

I'm lucky to be old enough to have gotten a decent job when they still existed. So we have a nation of people who want "something for nothing"? When there is "nothing" to get, how can you want for something?

You should be thankful that you didn't graduate from high school (and college?) during a global economy.

Yah, there are some spoiled brats out there, but kids these days do NOT have the same opportunities we had. And anyone who believes that they do have the same opportunities, is sniffing glue; and is out of touch with reality.

And you need to delve a bit into history and figure out why. Start at Wilson and work your way up.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I know someone. Lost his six figure sales job last year and refuses to take anything for less. Owns 2 homes and a boat. Should we help pay his mortgages? His kids' tuition? And if so, for how long? Infinitely?

So....is your answer......1?

While your anecdotal example seems entirely contrived......I don't think this guy is the demon outlined in the OP.

My anecdote is not contrived, and fortunately I don't know many people out of work.

If this guy is waiting for the perfect job, then that's his perogative. But I asked if he should get help with his mortgages and his kids' college tuition? And how long should he be able to collect unemployment? Simple questions.

Dopey questions. Simple is often dopey.

If he qualifies........he should recieve the unemployment benefits that he paid premiums for. He should be able to collect them for as long as any other American who qualifies. If the economy dictates that these benefits be extended to allow families the $$ to eat....then the "someone" you know will be entitled to his benefits as well. What he uses them for is immaterial.

 

[Ravi]

The least among us getting blamed for all that's wrong with this country.

Not very Christian if you ask me.

That's always been the Republican way. They always blame the poor.

 

[Claudette]

I know a lady who lost her pharmaceutical sales job and opted to collect unemployment and just be a stay at home mom until the gravy train ends.

It's a lot more prevalent than you think.

Yup it is.

I know one lady who lost her Dental assistant job. At the time she lost her job there were help wanted ads for her line of work.

She opted to take a "vacation" on unemployment and his been there ever since.

I'm sure there are loads of people who can't find a job.

I'm also sure there are loads of people who don't want a job as long as UE is there for em.

As long as the gravy train is there people will take advantage of it. Just human nature 101.

 

[JoeB131]

To the original OP. I agree. The Democratic mentality of cradle to grave benefits, of an "entitlement" society, is ultimately destructive to a society. Socialism only works until you run out of other people's money.

Unfortunately, if the Democrats robbed the bank, the GOP was driving the getaway care.

The ideal is for everyone to work in a productive job and support themselves. A solid middle class is the strongest firewall against demands for socialism.

And the Republican Party and it's Wall Street Cronies have been tearing down that firewall for the last 30 years.

Union busting has replaced good paying jobs with McJobs. The result of that is that in order to make ends meet, these McJob holders need food stamps to put food on the table, Section 8 vouchers to put a roof over their head and Medicaid to see a doctor. When the government does more for you by voting for a Democrat than your employer does for humping your butt for 40+ hours a week, you are going to get more people voting for Democrats.

But the stupidity doesn't stop there. You have outsourcing to other countries through free trade, diminishing the power of working folks through union busting, and so on.

When I was a young man, and had a problem with a phone bill, I could call the phone company and a nice American lady would help me out. Last year, I spent 10 minutes screwing with automation before I talked to a customer service gal in the Philippines.

 

[LoneLaugher]

"More prevalent than you think"
"loads of people"

Bullshit. I'll ask again. HOW MANY?

So far, each of you nutters knows one such person. If we extrapolate that data and assume that the deadbeats that each of you know are different people.....the number should be in the tens of millions! Think about that.

 

[editec]

How many?

How many able bodied, adult American citizens are making the decision not to work in favor of taking government handouts for their livlihood.

How many?

I would venture to say that it is miniscule. I'm not sure why so many people believe that these YOUNG and ENERGETIC kids want to sit on their asses. NOT SO!

I've asked that question of nutters a hundred times. Never get an answer.

They believe it because that makes them feel better about themselves.

 

[JoeB131]

I know a lady who lost her pharmaceutical sales job and opted to collect unemployment and just be a stay at home mom until the gravy train ends.

It's a lot more prevalent than you think.

Yup it is.

I know one lady who lost her Dental assistant job. At the time she lost her job there were help wanted ads for her line of work.

She opted to take a "vacation" on unemployment and his been there ever since.

I'm sure there are loads of people who can't find a job.

I'm also sure there are loads of people who don't want a job as long as UE is there for em.

As long as the gravy train is there people will take advantage of it. Just human nature 101.

That sounds like a lack of enforcement. What I noticed from the first time I applied for unemployment in 1992 and the last time in 2008 was that they really are doing a lot less to check if you are actually job hunting or not.

The premise behind unemployment is solid enough. You don't want the thousands that were invested in training someone lost because they take the first job that comes along. My employers spent thousands of dollars training me to do my current job. That would be lost if I took a job at WalMart because there was nothing else available.

Now, obviously, part of the problem is that corporations use recessions to "shuffle the deck". Everyone fires their employees, hires the other guys employees for less money, pocket the difference. Kind of like musical chairs.

 

[pete]

That still does not give any of them the right to demand what others have rightfully earned. They need to suck it up and put boots on the ground and look for work regardless of what excuses the left uses to encourage them to do otherwise. There are jobs out there for anyone willing to work, might not pay more than minimum wage but there are jobs. I see help wanted signs all over my town, and then welfare recipients who refuse to take them.

Ugh. No one seems to get it. Okay, so there are "help wanted" signs all over your town. That isn't the story in many places in the US. I don't know where you live, but you will not see that in say.....Michigan....Ohio.....Tennessee-hit or miss. Manufacturing is dead.

Man, there are so many things that I could touch on-the price of gas to get back and forth to those jobs.

The point that I'm trying to make, is that we had it a LOT easier...so we don't need to break our arms patting ourselves on the back. I worked two jobs (back when there were jobs) and put myself through college.....due to my less than spectacular high school GPA...therefore not qualifying for any financial assistance (because I would've rather have been playing drums or writing dirty notes in class). And I didn't want or need it.

Raise up your head and look around you. The world that we are living in NOW, is nothing like the world that we set out to "conquer". It would be so easy to label them all as entitlement brats, but it isn't that simple. One of the biggest employers when I graduated high school, and when most of us graduated from high school, was manufacturing. That is GONE! It's in 2nd and 3rd world countries, or computers or robots are doing what humans used to do.

All I'm saying, is that we need to cut them some slack. I encourage many of them to go into healthcare or funeral service (not joking). Both have pretty good job security. People are always going to get sick and people are always going to die.

And in their defense, perhaps my generation and the previous generation have not done a good job as role models. Children learn what they live. If you have an unruly child-unless there is something organic going on with them-you partially have yourself to blame.

I have no children. I'm a generation X'er, and I'm not sure that we have done a very good job setting an example. Now I'm not speaking of EVERY ONE of us; but many of us.

I live in west virginia now, because it is where I work. And to look at all the people here that are able bodied but choose not to work while there is help wanted signs is ridiculous. I even live in a college town, alot of the college kids refuse to work, not all of them, but a good bit of them. When I grew up I started working at age 13 and I am 38 now and I cannot remember not ever having a job in some form or other.
Kinda hard to find a job when you wont get off your ass to go look for one.

Why would anyone get off their ass when the new "norm" is to take what you can while you can because everyone else is doing it!

 

[LoneLaugher]

"the new norm"?

Maybe YOU can quantify that? How many, nutter.......HOW MANY?

 

[Sarah G]

Newt Gingrich Says College Students Should Have Jobs, But Did He?

Presidential candidate Newt Gingrich says college students are being coddled, but his own educational record doesn't exactly elicit images of a person who had to struggle to make ends meet while earning a degree.

"Students take fewer classes per semester. They take more years to get through. Why? Because they have free money," Gingrich said in a speech to local Republicans in Florida, according to the Washington Post. "I would tell students: 'Get through as quick as you can. Borrow as little as you can. Have a part-time job.' But that's very different from the culture that has grown up in the last 20 years."

But as the Post notes, Gingrich himself took a different path during college, according to a 1995 Vanity Fair article.

According to the report, Gingrich leaned on family members for money and said he didn't want to get a job while in school.

Gingrich's college experience also included a stint as a history professor at West Georgia College. The Wall Street Journal reports that while working at Georgia College, Gingrich was "often absent as he pursued political goals" and that he "spent little time teaching history."

But perhaps he's just waiting for the right time to exercise his teaching chops: According to Inside Higher Ed, Gingrich previously pledged that, if elected president, he would teach a free online course from the White House.

Newt Gingrich Says College Students Should Have Jobs, But Did He?)

Ha. What a fatass pig moocher..

 

[Claudette]

"More prevalent than you think"
"loads of people"

Bullshit. I'll ask again. HOW MANY?

So far, each of you nutters knows one such person. If we extrapolate that data and assume that the deadbeats that each of you know are different people.....the number should be in the tens of millions! Think about that.

Well miss intelligence for everyone you know there are thousands you don't know.

If your so interested in the data then look it up. Better yet find the data where everyone collecting UE deserves it and has looked for work and can't find it.

Should be simple for a brainiac like you.

 

[pete]

"the new norm"?

Maybe YOU can quantify that? How many, nutter.......HOW MANY?

Nutter? well asshole ... I can hire because I have a business and ALL want more than they make on unemployment with benefits or they will stay home and take unemployment and use their spouses benefits and take side jobs without carrying business insurance and paying taxes. This then allows them to under bid without the over head a legit business has.
Being a member of the chamber and talking with other business owners it is the "NORM"

 

[LoneLaugher]

"More prevalent than you think"
"loads of people"

Bullshit. I'll ask again. HOW MANY?

So far, each of you nutters knows one such person. If we extrapolate that data and assume that the deadbeats that each of you know are different people.....the number should be in the tens of millions! Think about that.

Well miss intelligence for everyone you know there are thousands you don't know.

If your so interested in the data then look it up. Better yet find the data where everyone collecting UE deserves it and has looked for work and can't find it.

Should be simple for a brainiac like you.

Don't know, do ya? And....you don't care to know because the knowledge might just blow your bullshit POV to hell.

You'd rathet go on believing that you are outnumbered by deadbeats. Fits your narative.

 

[JoeB131]

"More prevalent than you think"
"loads of people"

Bullshit. I'll ask again. HOW MANY?

So far, each of you nutters knows one such person. If we extrapolate that data and assume that the deadbeats that each of you know are different people.....the number should be in the tens of millions! Think about that.

Well, a couple things here.

When I was unemployed in 1996 because the company I worked for went tits up, I didn't do what I did in 1992 when I left the army and took the first offer to come along. I waited until I found an offer I liked. At the time, I had revenue coming in from rental property and a substantial amount in the bank, so I had the luxury of doing that.

In 2008, I took the first job that was offered, even though it paid 15% less. Unfortunately, it's 3 years later, and it's still paying 10% less. i get about one offer a week because my resume is out there, but they all are "contract" bullshit jobs. There's been a lot of bad behavior on the part of employers in this recession.

I am sure there are people who are just collecting a check if their spouses are bringing in okay money. Knew one guy who moved in with his parents, reduced his expenses to just his car payment, and collected unemployment on the company's dime for a year and a half, even though the company fired him for misconduct.

In short, lots of bad behavior on all sides, really.

 

[pete]

"More prevalent than you think"
"loads of people"

Bullshit. I'll ask again. HOW MANY?

So far, each of you nutters knows one such person. If we extrapolate that data and assume that the deadbeats that each of you know are different people.....the number should be in the tens of millions! Think about that.

Well miss intelligence for everyone you know there are thousands you don't know.

If your so interested in the data then look it up. Better yet find the data where everyone collecting UE deserves it and has looked for work and can't find it.

Should be simple for a brainiac like you.

Don't know, do ya? And....you don't care to know because the knowledge might just blow your bullshit POV to hell.

You'd rathet go on believing that you are outnumbered by deadbeats. Fits your narative.

Im not out numbered and never said I was I said the norm referring to the post and how people used to work for a living and take pride in themselves and when things got/get tough you get 2 and 3 jobs ... not look for handouts. There are plenty of jobs out there, but again the new norm is to take the handout because everyone else is so I might as well too!!
Why WORK when I can walk to the mailbox for the same amount ... something wrong here!

 

[Claudette]

"More prevalent than you think"
"loads of people"

Bullshit. I'll ask again. HOW MANY?

So far, each of you nutters knows one such person. If we extrapolate that data and assume that the deadbeats that each of you know are different people.....the number should be in the tens of millions! Think about that.

Well miss intelligence for everyone you know there are thousands you don't know.

If your so interested in the data then look it up. Better yet find the data where everyone collecting UE deserves it and has looked for work and can't find it.

Should be simple for a brainiac like you.

Don't know, do ya? And....you don't care to know because the knowledge might just blow your bullshit POV to hell.

You'd rathet go on believing that you are outnumbered by deadbeats. Fits your narative.

LOL I don't know any more than you don't know. The knowledge might just blow you POV to hell.

You'd rather go on believing that no one is a deadbeat. Fits your narrative to a tee.

Works both ways dumbo.