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Doctor Terminates Wrong Twin - Pregnancy on The Stir by CafeMom
One of those stories that makes you wonder about stuff.
One of those stories that makes you wonder about stuff.
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The mother should be terminated, along with the doctor.
So you don't think they've been punished enough already?
As the mother of boy/girl twins, this story turns my stomach completely.
Why was the ditz terminating either baby in the first place? The story didn't say the male baby's problems were incompatible with life, only that he had several problems, including Downs Syndrome.
A Downs Syndrome diagnosis is NO reason to terminate a child's life (IMHO).
The mother should be terminated, along with the doctor.
What fucking clueless morons.
As the mother of boy/girl twins, this story turns my stomach completely.
Why was the ditz terminating either baby in the first place? The story didn't say the male baby's problems were incompatible with life, only that he had several problems, including Downs Syndrome.
A Downs Syndrome diagnosis is NO reason to terminate a child's life (IMHO).
The mother should be terminated, along with the doctor.
What fucking clueless morons.
Your opinion is irrelevant. A mother doesn't need a reason to terminate a pregnancy.
Legally speaking, you're right. She doesn't need a reason to terminate a pregnancy.
But she should. And it ought to be a fucking damned good one.
Downs Syndrome doesn't cut it.
And laws change, gotohell. Laws change.
And laws change, gotohell. Laws change.
That is true.
BTW, here is some pathophysiology for you: Alzheimers affects people by creating plaques and tangles in the brain. The two proteins responsible for this are amyloid and tau. Amyloid is located on chromosome 21, which means it's over-expressed in patients with trisomy 21, which is why people with Down's Syndrome invariably get early onset dementia.
I certainly wouldn't want to abort a baby simply because they had downs and I think the people that raise children with Down's syndrome are saints. However, there is no denying that it's going to be a taxing event for the parents that is going to involve them well into their 60 and 70s.
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Thanks for that information! Very educational.
Even knowing that, I still would not abort a Downs baby. I just wouldn't.
Thanks for that information! Very educational.
N/P. I found it interesting too. I don't think that technically they are considered to have alzheimers, but they certainly have early onset dementia and really the symptoms are very similar.
Even knowing that, I still would not abort a Downs baby. I just wouldn't.
I wouldn't want my significant other to abort a T21 child either. I recognize that some people do. I can understand their logic.
Thanks for the link.
The mother should be terminated, along with the doctor.
So you don't think they've been punished enough already?
There are other Trisomy's that *would* give me pause, though. I can't remember if it was Trisomy 14 or 18, but a friend of mine did a late termination because her child had it and the doctors told her his condition was incompatible with life. (ie, he wouldn't live very long after birth and would suffer for the time he did live).
While I don't know if I have what it takes to go through what she did (ie, labor/delivery of an already dead/chemically aborted child--a shot directly to his heart), I understood her reasons and supported her the best I could.
At least they did not do the late-term procedure on her where they stabbed him w/scissors at the base of his brain and sucked them out. I can't understand at all how that is medically necessary. It seems barbaric in comparison with the procedure she had. Her child didn't feel the needle in his heart and it quickly stopped his heart and he was dead. The late-term procedure HAS to be painful. Who wants to be stabbed at the base of their skull w/scissors vs. a needle in the heart and a quick demise?
At any rate, I digress. A Trisomy21 baby would be an honor (and a challenge) to raise and I would forever worry about my child living in the world without me once I was gone. That's a stress I don't have in quite the same way as a T21/Downs Mom and never will.
So, maybe I should just STFU. I suppose a dead child is less worry than a live, handicapped child living on after you.
The discrepancy was found after comparing abortion data from 2012 submitted to the DH and data recorded by the National Down Syndrome Cytogenetic Register (NDSCR), an independent body that collects data on Down syndrome. Down syndrome is a genetic disorder typically caused by the presence of a third copy of chromosome 21. It is associated with various physical and cognitive disabilities. NDSCR recorded 994 abortions of babies with Down syndrome in 2012, while the official government figures only recorded 496. That leaves 498 Down syndrome abortions missing from Department of Health records, of which 11 are for abortions of babies 24 weeks and older. This is actually a slight improvement from 2011, according to the report, which found that DH recorded 410 out of 937 NDSCR records, resulting in 527 not in the DH dataset 13 of which were for 24 weeks and over. A DH spokesman said that doctors in the UK have a legal obligation to report all abortions - including those done due to a fetal abnormality - to the chief medical officer within 14 days.
The DH report gave some possible explanations for the severe under-reporting of Down syndrome abortions, citing physicians' lack of organization and ignorance of the requirements at abortion clinics. "A possible explanation for some of the unmatched cases might be that some doctors completing an official Downs syndrome Register form...think they do not need to complete an HSA4 [form]," the report noted. "It is also possible that some women may not be giving their correct postcode at abortion clinics. In none of the units visited was there any evidence or impression that there was willful failure to comply with the law, but rather a lack of understanding of the statutory requirements, which in turn produced a lack of organisation and accountability, the report concluded. The NDSCR knows the correct figures because hospitals alert it every time a diagnosis of Downs is made and it tracks cases to a birth or termination. Department of Health figures are compiled using abortion forms filled in by doctors. according to the Daily Mail.
The UKs 1991 amendment to the 1967 Abortion Act allows abortion of Down syndrome babies right up to the point of delivery. However, the DH report states that under the Abortion Act, an HSA4 form must be completed by the doctor undertaking the termination of pregnancy including those undertaken on the grounds that 'there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped.' Tory MP Fiona Bruce, chairman of the recent independent parliamentary inquiry into abortion for disability, said it was clear doctors had broken the law, the Mail reported. Worryingly, the department appears to have made no attempt to see that the law is properly enforced, she was quoted as saying. The UK ProLife Alliance is calling for an inquiry into the under-reporting.
Investigation: UK Doctors Fail to Record Half of All Down Syndrome Abortions | CNS News
As the mother of boy/girl twins, this story turns my stomach completely.
Why was the ditz terminating either baby in the first place? The story didn't say the male baby's problems were incompatible with life, only that he had several problems, including Downs Syndrome.
A Downs Syndrome diagnosis is NO reason to terminate a child's life (IMHO).
The mother should be terminated, along with the doctor.
What fucking clueless morons.
Your opinion is irrelevant. A mother doesn't need a reason to terminate a pregnancy.
As the mother of boy/girl twins, this story turns my stomach completely.
Why was the ditz terminating either baby in the first place? The story didn't say the male baby's problems were incompatible with life, only that he had several problems, including Downs Syndrome.
A Downs Syndrome diagnosis is NO reason to terminate a child's life (IMHO).
The mother should be terminated, along with the doctor.
What fucking clueless morons.