The snowball effect of ignorance and politics....shame on you all!!

Oh, shut up and stop your whining.

Tell you what, the day I listen to you, or give a rats f*** about you, will be the day I shut up, dig?
Eventually. your posts will get the same attention as a tree falling in a forest far from the nearest person....You screech "racist".....You become insignificant.
Posters will marginalize you.
Oh no!!! Not the dreaded social insignificance prediction. White boys crack me up! :laugh:
Oh?....Here's my response.....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..
As to responding to your racist snark, I take the high road......As many times as you've tried to goad myself and other posters into responding to your racial epithets, you'll never get a response.....I'm never going to lower myself to your level.
You could never "lower" yourself to my level. I exist a couple of stratospheres above your level. I just think your declarations of social insignificance are amusing and betray the mind of a sheep that is highly motivated by what others think of him.
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??????, WTF
 
It's easy to demonize white people for what appears to be a myriad of denial about their varying racial resentments.

Conservatives especially, who can view self reflection as a weakness.

I personally find it childish for white people to be the first in the room to become outraged about anything racial, when throughout America's history, the racism they have institutionalized has been far more damaging to non whites in terms of outcomes, than racism practiced by any other racial demographic.

That's right...I went there...racism from whites is more potent, that that of non whites.

I think that concept is a huge part of both the denial by whites, and also that applies to white wine Liberals who champion the cause of racial equality, but still clutch their purses, or cross the street, when a non white approaches them.

Ego defense for white people will always include a demon of their own creation that is anybody but themselves. For conservatives these days, it's the liberal who wants blacks to be poor, to cultivate their votes. For liberals, it's the traditional neo confederate-post segregation racist.

I myself, had a seminal moment regarding my own racism, when in 1995, I was in a Supermarket, and guarding the shopping cart that had my sister's purse. White people walked by, and it didn't change my approach to my duty. Then without really thinking about it, I caught myself pulling the cart closer to myself when a black couple walked by. It was not a conscious act. But I noticed it.

A liberal in denial might not have noticed what they did, and a conservative in denial might say it was street smarts. Then you have Lonestar in post #8, who seems to be simply in favor of racism

You may see white people becoming unglued and desperate, but that's the reaction any race would display when being called out on their own BS.

OK you admit to be a racist, good for you.

What exactly did you read in post #8 you felt was racism? Pointing out that the democrat party indeed was and, in my opinion still, the party of racism?

The truth is that you example of racism is just human nature, or natural. You may not believe it but "birds of a feather do flock together." That is the natural tendency that needs to be modified in people. There is nothing racist about understanding or pointing out the truth. You may have also pulled the cart a little closer if a biker's gang walked by. Fear of the unknown is natural and can be changed.
Post #8 defends the idea that whites have not ever been racists.

Now you, and I'm still tickled every time I see somebody do it...expect people to believe that conservatives have the interests of minorities in better care than liberals.

One thing you and Lonestar need to grasp, is the fact that Democrats and Republicans used to have liberals, moderates, and conservatives in their ranks.

Not any more

You need to read post #8 again you apparently have a misunderstand of what was said.

Now this quote from you: "conservatives have the interests of minorities in better care than liberals." Do you understand your underlying racism as you admitted to still exist in this statement? No, I suppose you don't. Conservatives don't want to take care of or need to take care of minorities. It is liberals that think that the minorities are too lazy to get a job and need taken care of. It is the liberals that think that the minorities are too stupid to find a polling place. Most of all it is the white liberals that feel it is their duty to take care of the minorities. Man that is really degrading to minorities but I think you will fail to realize why. Conservatives on the other hand want minorities to TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES which they are perfectly capable of doing.
 
The More You Know! fact of the day:

Lincoln had intended to "deport" freed black slaves from the US, he set up colonies and shipped them off, and continued the desire to do so even after the first colony resulted in starvation.

~ Should we thank Booth for ending the Presidents Black Colonies project and/or for continuing down the path that Lincoln was trying to avoid with his colonization efforts - that blacks and whites wouldn't be able to peacefully co-exist. :(

Could you cite the source of your information?
 
It's easy to demonize white people for what appears to be a myriad of denial about their varying racial resentments.

Conservatives especially, who can view self reflection as a weakness.

I personally find it childish for white people to be the first in the room to become outraged about anything racial, when throughout America's history, the racism they have institutionalized has been far more damaging to non whites in terms of outcomes, than racism practiced by any other racial demographic.

That's right...I went there...racism from whites is more potent, that that of non whites.

I think that concept is a huge part of both the denial by whites, and also that applies to white wine Liberals who champion the cause of racial equality, but still clutch their purses, or cross the street, when a non white approaches them.

Ego defense for white people will always include a demon of their own creation that is anybody but themselves. For conservatives these days, it's the liberal who wants blacks to be poor, to cultivate their votes. For liberals, it's the traditional neo confederate-post segregation racist.

I myself, had a seminal moment regarding my own racism, when in 1995, I was in a Supermarket, and guarding the shopping cart that had my sister's purse. White people walked by, and it didn't change my approach to my duty. Then without really thinking about it, I caught myself pulling the cart closer to myself when a black couple walked by. It was not a conscious act. But I noticed it.

A liberal in denial might not have noticed what they did, and a conservative in denial might say it was street smarts. Then you have Lonestar in post #8, who seems to be simply in favor of racism

You may see white people becoming unglued and desperate, but that's the reaction any race would display when being called out on their own BS.

OK you admit to be a racist, good for you.

What exactly did you read in post #8 you felt was racism? Pointing out that the democrat party indeed was and, in my opinion still, the party of racism?

The truth is that you example of racism is just human nature, or natural. You may not believe it but "birds of a feather do flock together." That is the natural tendency that needs to be modified in people. There is nothing racist about understanding or pointing out the truth. You may have also pulled the cart a little closer if a biker's gang walked by. Fear of the unknown is natural and can be changed.
Post #8 defends the idea that whites have not ever been racists.

Now you, and I'm still tickled every time I see somebody do it...expect people to believe that conservatives have the interests of minorities in better care than liberals.

One thing you and Lonestar need to grasp, is the fact that Democrats and Republicans used to have liberals, moderates, and conservatives in their ranks.

Not any more

You need to read post #8 again you apparently have a misunderstand of what was said.

Now this quote from you: "conservatives have the interests of minorities in better care than liberals." Do you understand your underlying racism as you admitted to still exist in this statement? No, I suppose you don't. Conservatives don't want to take care of or need to take care of minorities. It is liberals that think that the minorities are too lazy to get a job and need taken care of. It is the liberals that think that the minorities are too stupid to find a polling place. Most of all it is the white liberals that feel it is their duty to take care of the minorities. Man that is really degrading to minorities but I think you will fail to realize why. Conservatives on the other hand want minorities to TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES which they are perfectly capable of doing.
Interesting, albeit, weird way of seeing it.
 
It's easy to demonize white people for what appears to be a myriad of denial about their varying racial resentments.

Conservatives especially, who can view self reflection as a weakness.

I personally find it childish for white people to be the first in the room to become outraged about anything racial, when throughout America's history, the racism they have institutionalized has been far more damaging to non whites in terms of outcomes, than racism practiced by any other racial demographic.

That's right...I went there...racism from whites is more potent, that that of non whites.

I think that concept is a huge part of both the denial by whites, and also that applies to white wine Liberals who champion the cause of racial equality, but still clutch their purses, or cross the street, when a non white approaches them.

Ego defense for white people will always include a demon of their own creation that is anybody but themselves. For conservatives these days, it's the liberal who wants blacks to be poor, to cultivate their votes. For liberals, it's the traditional neo confederate-post segregation racist.

I myself, had a seminal moment regarding my own racism, when in 1995, I was in a Supermarket, and guarding the shopping cart that had my sister's purse. White people walked by, and it didn't change my approach to my duty. Then without really thinking about it, I caught myself pulling the cart closer to myself when a black couple walked by. It was not a conscious act. But I noticed it.

A liberal in denial might not have noticed what they did, and a conservative in denial might say it was street smarts. Then you have Lonestar in post #8, who seems to be simply in favor of racism

You may see white people becoming unglued and desperate, but that's the reaction any race would display when being called out on their own BS.

OK you admit to be a racist, good for you.

What exactly did you read in post #8 you felt was racism? Pointing out that the democrat party indeed was and, in my opinion still, the party of racism?

The truth is that you example of racism is just human nature, or natural. You may not believe it but "birds of a feather do flock together." That is the natural tendency that needs to be modified in people. There is nothing racist about understanding or pointing out the truth. You may have also pulled the cart a little closer if a biker's gang walked by. Fear of the unknown is natural and can be changed.
Post #8 defends the idea that whites have not ever been racists.

Now you, and I'm still tickled every time I see somebody do it...expect people to believe that conservatives have the interests of minorities in better care than liberals.

One thing you and Lonestar need to grasp, is the fact that Democrats and Republicans used to have liberals, moderates, and conservatives in their ranks.

Not any more

You need to read post #8 again you apparently have a misunderstand of what was said.

Now this quote from you: "conservatives have the interests of minorities in better care than liberals." Do you understand your underlying racism as you admitted to still exist in this statement? No, I suppose you don't. Conservatives don't want to take care of or need to take care of minorities. It is liberals that think that the minorities are too lazy to get a job and need taken care of. It is the liberals that think that the minorities are too stupid to find a polling place. Most of all it is the white liberals that feel it is their duty to take care of the minorities. Man that is really degrading to minorities but I think you will fail to realize why. Conservatives on the other hand want minorities to TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES which they are perfectly capable of doing.
Interesting, albeit, weird way of seeing it.

Never made the claim to being right, only opinionated.

That said, what do you disagree with or what actually do you find weird?
 
It's easy to demonize white people for what appears to be a myriad of denial about their varying racial resentments.

Conservatives especially, who can view self reflection as a weakness.

I personally find it childish for white people to be the first in the room to become outraged about anything racial, when throughout America's history, the racism they have institutionalized has been far more damaging to non whites in terms of outcomes, than racism practiced by any other racial demographic.

That's right...I went there...racism from whites is more potent, that that of non whites.

I think that concept is a huge part of both the denial by whites, and also that applies to white wine Liberals who champion the cause of racial equality, but still clutch their purses, or cross the street, when a non white approaches them.

Ego defense for white people will always include a demon of their own creation that is anybody but themselves. For conservatives these days, it's the liberal who wants blacks to be poor, to cultivate their votes. For liberals, it's the traditional neo confederate-post segregation racist.

I myself, had a seminal moment regarding my own racism, when in 1995, I was in a Supermarket, and guarding the shopping cart that had my sister's purse. White people walked by, and it didn't change my approach to my duty. Then without really thinking about it, I caught myself pulling the cart closer to myself when a black couple walked by. It was not a conscious act. But I noticed it.

A liberal in denial might not have noticed what they did, and a conservative in denial might say it was street smarts. Then you have Lonestar in post #8, who seems to be simply in favor of racism

You may see white people becoming unglued and desperate, but that's the reaction any race would display when being called out on their own BS.

OK you admit to be a racist, good for you.

What exactly did you read in post #8 you felt was racism? Pointing out that the democrat party indeed was and, in my opinion still, the party of racism?

The truth is that you example of racism is just human nature, or natural. You may not believe it but "birds of a feather do flock together." That is the natural tendency that needs to be modified in people. There is nothing racist about understanding or pointing out the truth. You may have also pulled the cart a little closer if a biker's gang walked by. Fear of the unknown is natural and can be changed.
Post #8 defends the idea that whites have not ever been racists.

Now you, and I'm still tickled every time I see somebody do it...expect people to believe that conservatives have the interests of minorities in better care than liberals.

One thing you and Lonestar need to grasp, is the fact that Democrats and Republicans used to have liberals, moderates, and conservatives in their ranks.

Not any more

You need to read post #8 again you apparently have a misunderstand of what was said.

Now this quote from you: "conservatives have the interests of minorities in better care than liberals." Do you understand your underlying racism as you admitted to still exist in this statement? No, I suppose you don't. Conservatives don't want to take care of or need to take care of minorities. It is liberals that think that the minorities are too lazy to get a job and need taken care of. It is the liberals that think that the minorities are too stupid to find a polling place. Most of all it is the white liberals that feel it is their duty to take care of the minorities. Man that is really degrading to minorities but I think you will fail to realize why. Conservatives on the other hand want minorities to TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES which they are perfectly capable of doing.
Interesting, albeit, weird way of seeing it.

Never made the claim to being right, only opinionated.

That said, what do you disagree with or what actually do you find weird?
I find it weird that you equate white libs wanting to help with racism. After being oppressed for 400 years there are going to be some Blacks that need help. Your assumption that they think Blacks/Mexican etc are lazy is kinda weird in light of the fact that whites hold the keys to everything.
 
Well I think you have proved that this statement is true:

are slowly becoming unglued and desperate. And if ever the mental health industry needed a boost, its now, because this country is on the brink of becoming one big cesspool of nuts!!

That said, McConnell can go to hell in my opinion and not because of his stance on these statues. He is just doing what is easy.
What the GOP-igs, the racist bastards that they are, what they are attempting to do is snowball and once again create divide in this country with this obsurbness of now wanting to remove everything that's racist in this country, but WHITE PEOPLE themselves...(now that's a problem solved)!! Mitch McConnell the biggest racist in Ky, is now calling for the removal of Jefferson Davis from the state capital. Now, just about every damned thing in Ky. is named after the man and now this boozo, this clown this useless turkey neck white **** is trying to bring chaos and mayham to a state of redneck ignorant hillbillies who live and breath confederate shit.

I am sooooo convinced that white people in this country, despite all the gains of electing our first black president are slowly becoming unglued and desperate. And if ever the mental health industry needed a boost, its now, because this country is on the brink of becoming one big cesspool of nuts!!

They should shitcan that statue. Kentucky played no role in the civil war so to celebrate the memories of people like Jefferson Davis is insane.
 
Jim Crow ended with the passing of the Civil Rights Act. Republicans overwhelming voted for the Civil rights Act.

These are facts, not opinions you retarded ****.

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That had nothing to do with my comment convict.

Your concession is duly noted.
I concede your opinions are not facts.

Stop acting like a spoiled child. You got pnwed, deal with it.
Stop acting like a convict. You couldnt "pnwed" a dead moose. You are barely literate.

You got PWNED!!! Deal with it punk!
 
That had nothing to do with my comment convict.

Your concession is duly noted.
I concede your opinions are not facts.

Stop acting like a spoiled child. You got pnwed, deal with it.
Stop acting like a convict. You couldnt "pnwed" a dead moose. You are barely literate.

You got PWNED!!! Deal with it punk!
You couldnt "pnwed" a dead moose. You are barely literate. Deal with it convict!
 
Well I think you have proved that this statement is true:

are slowly becoming unglued and desperate. And if ever the mental health industry needed a boost, its now, because this country is on the brink of becoming one big cesspool of nuts!!

That said, McConnell can go to hell in my opinion and not because of his stance on these statues. He is just doing what is easy.
What the GOP-igs, the racist bastards that they are, what they are attempting to do is snowball and once again create divide in this country with this obsurbness of now wanting to remove everything that's racist in this country, but WHITE PEOPLE themselves...(now that's a problem solved)!! Mitch McConnell the biggest racist in Ky, is now calling for the removal of Jefferson Davis from the state capital. Now, just about every damned thing in Ky. is named after the man and now this boozo, this clown this useless turkey neck white **** is trying to bring chaos and mayham to a state of redneck ignorant hillbillies who live and breath confederate shit.

I am sooooo convinced that white people in this country, despite all the gains of electing our first black president are slowly becoming unglued and desperate. And if ever the mental health industry needed a boost, its now, because this country is on the brink of becoming one big cesspool of nuts!!

They should shitcan that statue. Kentucky played no role in the civil war so to celebrate the memories of people like Jefferson Davis is insane.

Educate yourself.

Jefferson Davis - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
 
OK you admit to be a racist, good for you.

What exactly did you read in post #8 you felt was racism? Pointing out that the democrat party indeed was and, in my opinion still, the party of racism?

The truth is that you example of racism is just human nature, or natural. You may not believe it but "birds of a feather do flock together." That is the natural tendency that needs to be modified in people. There is nothing racist about understanding or pointing out the truth. You may have also pulled the cart a little closer if a biker's gang walked by. Fear of the unknown is natural and can be changed.
Post #8 defends the idea that whites have not ever been racists.

Now you, and I'm still tickled every time I see somebody do it...expect people to believe that conservatives have the interests of minorities in better care than liberals.

One thing you and Lonestar need to grasp, is the fact that Democrats and Republicans used to have liberals, moderates, and conservatives in their ranks.

Not any more

You need to read post #8 again you apparently have a misunderstand of what was said.

Now this quote from you: "conservatives have the interests of minorities in better care than liberals." Do you understand your underlying racism as you admitted to still exist in this statement? No, I suppose you don't. Conservatives don't want to take care of or need to take care of minorities. It is liberals that think that the minorities are too lazy to get a job and need taken care of. It is the liberals that think that the minorities are too stupid to find a polling place. Most of all it is the white liberals that feel it is their duty to take care of the minorities. Man that is really degrading to minorities but I think you will fail to realize why. Conservatives on the other hand want minorities to TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES which they are perfectly capable of doing.
Interesting, albeit, weird way of seeing it.

Never made the claim to being right, only opinionated.

That said, what do you disagree with or what actually do you find weird?
I find it weird that you equate white libs wanting to help with racism. After being oppressed for 400 years there are going to be some Blacks that need help. Your assumption that they think Blacks/Mexican etc are lazy is kinda weird in light of the fact that whites hold the keys to everything.

I didn't say they wanted to help with racism. What I was inferring is that they treat minorities as their children not as men. It is their inner racism of white superiority coming out. HELP is what is needed, NOT being taken care of, that is my point and the point of most conservatives. And conservatives, especially the Republican party has been HELPING minorities since before the civil war and since.

There is a definite difference between taking care of someone and helping someone.
 
Your concession is duly noted.
I concede your opinions are not facts.

Stop acting like a spoiled child. You got pnwed, deal with it.
Stop acting like a convict. You couldnt "pnwed" a dead moose. You are barely literate.

You got PWNED!!! Deal with it punk!
You couldnt "pnwed" a dead moose. You are barely literate. Deal with it convict!

You got PWNED!!! Deal with it punk!
 
Post #8 defends the idea that whites have not ever been racists.

Now you, and I'm still tickled every time I see somebody do it...expect people to believe that conservatives have the interests of minorities in better care than liberals.

One thing you and Lonestar need to grasp, is the fact that Democrats and Republicans used to have liberals, moderates, and conservatives in their ranks.

Not any more

You need to read post #8 again you apparently have a misunderstand of what was said.

Now this quote from you: "conservatives have the interests of minorities in better care than liberals." Do you understand your underlying racism as you admitted to still exist in this statement? No, I suppose you don't. Conservatives don't want to take care of or need to take care of minorities. It is liberals that think that the minorities are too lazy to get a job and need taken care of. It is the liberals that think that the minorities are too stupid to find a polling place. Most of all it is the white liberals that feel it is their duty to take care of the minorities. Man that is really degrading to minorities but I think you will fail to realize why. Conservatives on the other hand want minorities to TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES which they are perfectly capable of doing.
Interesting, albeit, weird way of seeing it.

Never made the claim to being right, only opinionated.

That said, what do you disagree with or what actually do you find weird?
I find it weird that you equate white libs wanting to help with racism. After being oppressed for 400 years there are going to be some Blacks that need help. Your assumption that they think Blacks/Mexican etc are lazy is kinda weird in light of the fact that whites hold the keys to everything.

I didn't say they wanted to help with racism. What I was inferring is that they treat minorities as their children not as men. It is their inner racism of white superiority coming out. HELP is what is needed, NOT being taken care of, that is my point and the point of most conservatives. And conservatives, especially the Republican party has been HELPING minorities since before the civil war and since.

There is a definite difference between taking care of someone and helping someone.
Your perception that they are treating minorities as children is based on what? I agree that there are some that undoubtedly do that however, I would much rather someone give me opportunity regardless of their reasons than have someone pretend that suddenly opportunity is equally accessible while they hold all the keys to those doors. Conservatives such as the ones that started the KKK had no interest in helping anyone but white men maintain their white AA. You are getting republican and conservative mixed up. They are 2 different things.
 
What the GOP-igs, the racist bastards that they are, what they are attempting to do is snowball and once again create divide in this country with this obsurbness of now wanting to remove everything that's racist in this country, but WHITE PEOPLE themselves...(now that's a problem solved)!! Mitch McConnell the biggest racist in Ky, is now calling for the removal of Jefferson Davis from the state capital. Now, just about every damned thing in Ky. is named after the man and now this boozo, this clown this useless turkey neck white **** is trying to bring chaos and mayham to a state of redneck ignorant hillbillies who live and breath confederate shit.

I am sooooo convinced that white people in this country, despite all the gains of electing our first black president are slowly becoming unglued and desperate. And if ever the mental health industry needed a boost, its now, because this country is on the brink of becoming one big cesspool of nuts!!

 
What are we the Borg? One cohesive unit? Lol. Blacks should loath their society as much as I ***** about whites. Stop being defensive.
 
Oh, shut up and stop your whining.

Tell you what, the day I listen to you, or give a rats f*** about you, will be the day I shut up, dig?
Eventually. your posts will get the same attention as a tree falling in a forest far from the nearest person....You screech "racist".....You become insignificant.
Posters will marginalize you.
Oh no!!! Not the dreaded social insignificance prediction. White boys crack me up! :laugh:
Oh?....Here's my response.....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..
As to responding to your racist snark, I take the high road......As many times as you've tried to goad myself and other posters into responding to your racial epithets, you'll never get a response.....I'm never going to lower myself to your level.
You could never "lower" yourself to my level. I exist a couple of stratospheres above your level. I just think your declarations of social insignificance are amusing and betray the mind of a sheep that is highly motivated by what others think of you.
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White or black you still gotta go out there and get it. My brother is a VP. Is it cause he's white? Then why aren't I a VP?
 
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everybody do you want the secret to success in America? get a masters from a prestigious school. pretty much can't fail. that is unless your Masters is in heart or history then you'll probably just be a teacher somewhere
 
The More You Know! fact of the day:

Lincoln had intended to "deport" freed black slaves from the US, he set up colonies and shipped them off, and continued the desire to do so even after the first colony resulted in starvation.

~ Should we thank Booth for ending the Presidents Black Colonies project and/or for continuing down the path that Lincoln was trying to avoid with his colonization efforts - that blacks and whites wouldn't be able to peacefully co-exist. :(

Could you cite the source of your information?

Sure.

colonization history stuff said:
Colonization

Lincoln provided his most comprehensive speech up to that date about slavery. He presented moral, legal and economic arguments against slavery. While he declared slavery morally wrong he also admitted he did not know exactly what should be done politically. He believed, and for most of his career, that colonization would provide the solution.

“If all earthly power were given me, I should not know what to do, as to the existing institution. My first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia,–to their own native land. But a moment’s reflection would convince me, that whatever of high hope, (as I think there is) there may be in this, in the long run, its sudden execution is impossible.” – Speech on the Kansas Nebraska Act at Peoria, Illinois, October 16, 1854.

The American Colonization Society (ACS) was created in December 1816 by Robert Finley, a Presbyterian minister, and a group of influential men, including Henry Clay, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Daniel Webster, Francis Scott Key and Bushrod Washington. The Society raised money by selling memberships and used the influence of its members to raise $100,000 from congress in its effort to transport free black men to Africa.

In January 1820, the Elizabeth was the first ship to sail to Africa with 88 African Americans. It arrived at the coast of Liberia where they established a settlement. Most of them died from diseases. In 1822 the society established a colony they named Liberia administered by the ACS. Over the next two decades the colony continued to grow and achieve economic stability. In 1847 the legislature of Liberia declared independence and elected Joseph Jenkins Roberts as its first president. By 1867 the ACS had resettled 13,000 African Americans in Liberia.

[...]

In 1846 when Lincoln was serving in congress the debate pro and against slavery was getting more important. Lincoln searched for a rational view of slavery in a free American society. He shared Henry Clay’s view on the principle of colonization to Liberia and believed that in time Southern slave holders would be willing to manumit their slaves if they were going back to Africa. Lincoln believed that colonization would find support in the north as they would not have to compete with free white labor. But Lincoln understood that distance and the cost of transportation was a deterrent. He did not support deportation by force like many other colonists.

[...]

At the beginning of his presidency Lincoln took important steps towards a colonization plan. As former slaves, who were freed in the south during the civil war, sought refuge in the north colonization was viewed as practical measure. Racism and fears that they would take jobs and lower wages was widespread in the north so supporting emigration to colonies outside the US seemed like a rational solution to alleviate this problem. Freemen could also join newly freed slaves. In order to oversee his colonization project President Lincoln created the Bureau of Emigration under the Department of the Interior.

Colonization Fund

In April 1862 slavery was abolished in Washington DC and congress approved $100,000 for re colonizing the newly freed slaves. Shortly after the Second Confiscation Act was issued. It supported the re colonization of those African Americans willing to leave the U.S. to Liberia or other territories in Central America. Congress approved a colonization fund of $500,000 in addition to the $100,000 approved earlier.

Second Confiscation Act

The Second Confiscation Act supported the re colonization of those African Americans willing to leave the US to Liberia or other colonies in the Americas.

Section 12 of the Second Confiscation Act stated:

“And be it further enacted, That the President of the United States is hereby authorized to make provision for the transportation, colonization, and settlement, in some tropical country beyond the limits of the United States, of such persons of the African race, made free by the provisions of this act, as may be willing to emigrate, having first obtained the consent of the government of said country to their protection and settlement within the same, with all the rights and privileges of freemen.”

Colony in the Chiquiri Province in Panama

The first colonization project was in 1861to study the feasibility of a closer colony in the Americas rather than far away Liberia. The Chiquiri Province in Panama was seen as a feasible option. The plan was halted as Central American governments protested that the 1850 Clayton Bulwer Treaty prohibited the US and UK from colonizing Central America.



Ile de Vache

As the presidential elections were approaching Lincoln felt the need to tie emancipation with colonization to make emancipation more acceptable to conservatives. Colonization became a political tool in dealing with the issue of what to do slaves freed during the Civil War.

After the failure of the Chiquiri colonization project in Panama, Lincoln tried to find ways to diplomatically work with a country willing to accept emigrants. Bernard Kock, a land developer claimed to have obtained an arrangement with Haiti and on December 1863, less than a month before the President issued the Emancipation Proclamation, a contract was signed to transport 5,000 African Americans to Ile a Vache. Of the 5,000 initially approved only 500 left. Those who emigrated to the island were left stranded, many died from diseases to which they had no immunity, and others were rescued one year later by the US Navy.



Belize

On June 13, 1863 Lincoln signed an agreement with British Honduras to send free slaves to Belize. However the British pulled out of the agreement claiming neutrality in the Civil War.



Mismanagement, corruption and administrative hurdles made Lincoln’s colonization project implausible. Lincoln abandoned the idea of colonization sometime in 1864 [~see debate section] because he realized that it was an impractical plan and that the country would benefit from them joining the Union forces. African Americans joining the ranks of the U.S. Army and Navy during the Civil War persuaded Lincoln that these men were willing to fight for their freedom and that of the Union if only given the chance. His colonization plan never would never work as freedmen did not consider Africa their homeland, they were born and raised in America.

At the end of the Civil War and before his assassination Lincoln made public his reconstruction plans which included to give African Americans the right to suffrage.

history stuff debate said:
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/04/lincoln-colonization-and-the-sound-of-silence/?_r=0

"Instead, the president resumed colonization planning on his own initiative, even before Jan. 1. Around that time, a pensive Lincoln approached a Treasury official and asked him to arrange an interview with a contractor for black resettlement in Texas. More significantly, at 9 p.m. on Dec. 31, 1862, Bernard Kock, the leaseholder for a potential colonization site, Île à Vache in Haiti, presented Lincoln with a contract for the resettlement of 5,000 “contrabands.” Kock later revealed that the president actually approved it the next morning, Jan. 1, 1863, shortly before he issued the Emancipation Proclamation. [~ emphasis added] Considered alongside an anecdote of Robert Todd Lincoln that his father had never retired that night, we have an impression of Lincoln’s tremendous personal misgivings about emancipation without colonization.

The Île à Vache expedition challenges the notion of an 1863 transformation, not least because it represented the first and only federal African-American colonization venture to proceed. Many historians gingerly acknowledge it as an unthinking holdover from the heyday of colonization planning, but they overlook the fact that Lincoln signed a revamped contract and dispatched the settlers in April 1863 [~ emphasis added], learned of their distress by July and yet recalled them only in February 1864. For him, clearly, colonization remained a viable idea. But far from flaunting this experiment to a racist public, the president desperately tried to keep it under wraps.

Indeed, Lincoln was perfectly able to work on colonization in 1863 and afterward without constantly issuing public updates. Using the broad powers delegated him by Congress in 1862, in a second wave of activity in 1863 he granted colonization recruiters privileged access to “contraband” camps, consulted pro-emigration African-Americans and initiated diplomatic negotiations with European empires to accept black settlers as labor for their tropical American colonies. Had Lincoln enjoyed greater success, or entertained fewer misgivings about private contractors, he could also have drawn on sizable appropriations.

Lincoln’s colonization agent, James Mitchell of the Interior Department, reported at least one conversation with Lincoln in late 1864 about the future of the colonization policy, in which they agreed that the Confederacy’s mooted plan to enlist slaves provided reason enough to delay reviving it for now. Yet Mitchell alleged that Lincoln had also refused to accept his resignation pending a departmental shakeup and consultation with the attorney general, Edward Bates. That finds corroboration in a November 1864 communication from Bates, which also indicates that the president asked whether he could continue pursuing colonization even with the money gone.

Finally, Lincoln’s attachment to colonization resurfaces in Maj. Gen. Benjamin Butler’s recollections of two April 1865 meetings, in which the men resumed a similar conversation of early 1863 about the policy.

[~ enter historian debate]

In recent decades, historians have seized on the account’s off-notes to dismiss it as a fabrication, usually arguing that Butler intended a favorable personal contrast with Lincoln by what sound like suspiciously anachronistic standards of race relations. Yet Butler’s story contains details that a liar would have struggled to know, and it inspired no objections from Lincoln’s surviving contemporaries. Much of the case against Butler also relies on caricature of a man who was actually “a kind of favorite with the President,” according to a White House secretary.

But stepping back a moment, the assumption that Lincoln must have shunned colonization by 1865, and that the debate revolves around identifying its time of death, betrays a misplaced burden of proof and an incredibly narrow argumentative scope.

We can be defense lawyers, or we can be historians. We can deem Lincoln on trial, even though we know that colonization enjoyed widespread support in his day. We can dismiss perfectly consistent evidence as untruthful, or claim that “Honest Abe” did not mean what he said – for this policy alone. We can demand the benefit of the doubt as to whether Lincoln ceased colonization activity because he had dispensed with a political lullaby, changed his beliefs or had just encountered too many setbacks to carry on during wartime. But historians ask why we are so keen to cross the line into advocacy, and why this need to absolve Lincoln of pro-colonization thinking took shape only in the mid- to late 20th century."
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It's easy to demonize white people for what appears to be a myriad of denial about their varying racial resentments.

Conservatives especially, who can view self reflection as a weakness.

I personally find it childish for white people to be the first in the room to become outraged about anything racial, when throughout America's history, the racism they have institutionalized has been far more damaging to non whites in terms of outcomes, than racism practiced by any other racial demographic.

That's right...I went there...racism from whites is more potent, that that of non whites.

I think that concept is a huge part of both the denial by whites, and also that applies to white wine Liberals who champion the cause of racial equality, but still clutch their purses, or cross the street, when a non white approaches them.

Ego defense for white people will always include a demon of their own creation that is anybody but themselves. For conservatives these days, it's the liberal who wants blacks to be poor, to cultivate their votes. For liberals, it's the traditional neo confederate-post segregation racist.

I myself, had a seminal moment regarding my own racism, when in 1995, I was in a Supermarket, and guarding the shopping cart that had my sister's purse. White people walked by, and it didn't change my approach to my duty. Then without really thinking about it, I caught myself pulling the cart closer to myself when a black couple walked by. It was not a conscious act. But I noticed it.

A liberal in denial might not have noticed what they did, and a conservative in denial might say it was street smarts. Then you have Lonestar in post #8, who seems to be simply in favor of racism

You may see white people becoming unglued and desperate, but that's the reaction any race would display when being called out on their own BS.

OK you admit to be a racist, good for you.

What exactly did you read in post #8 you felt was racism? Pointing out that the democrat party indeed was and, in my opinion still, the party of racism?

The truth is that you example of racism is just human nature, or natural. You may not believe it but "birds of a feather do flock together." That is the natural tendency that needs to be modified in people. There is nothing racist about understanding or pointing out the truth. You may have also pulled the cart a little closer if a biker's gang walked by. Fear of the unknown is natural and can be changed.
Post #8 defends the idea that whites have not ever been racists.

Now you, and I'm still tickled every time I see somebody do it...expect people to believe that conservatives have the interests of minorities in better care than liberals.

One thing you and Lonestar need to grasp, is the fact that Democrats and Republicans used to have liberals, moderates, and conservatives in their ranks.

Not any more

You need to read post #8 again you apparently have a misunderstand of what was said.

Now this quote from you: "conservatives have the interests of minorities in better care than liberals." Do you understand your underlying racism as you admitted to still exist in this statement? No, I suppose you don't. Conservatives don't want to take care of or need to take care of minorities. It is liberals that think that the minorities are too lazy to get a job and need taken care of. It is the liberals that think that the minorities are too stupid to find a polling place. Most of all it is the white liberals that feel it is their duty to take care of the minorities. Man that is really degrading to minorities but I think you will fail to realize why. Conservatives on the other hand want minorities to TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES which they are perfectly capable of doing.


Uh, handicapped minority here.....both parties could give a rats **** about black people, ie minorities....and that's well and good because all races, including a asian or two, can be lazy and needing taken care of. If you morons ever do a gotdamned thing in this fuckin life, PLEASE STOP CLUMPING ALL MOTHERFUCKING BLACK PEOPLE TOGETHER. I WORK FOR A GOTDAMN LIVING, SO DOES EVERY MOTHERFUCKING MEMBER OF MY ******* FAMILY, AS DO MY BLACK FRIEND AND ******* BLACK NEIGHBORS!! YOU RACIST *****!!
 
Tell you what, the day I listen to you, or give a rats f*** about you, will be the day I shut up, dig?
Eventually. your posts will get the same attention as a tree falling in a forest far from the nearest person....You screech "racist".....You become insignificant.
Posters will marginalize you.
Oh no!!! Not the dreaded social insignificance prediction. White boys crack me up! :laugh:
Oh?....Here's my response.....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ..
As to responding to your racist snark, I take the high road......As many times as you've tried to goad myself and other posters into responding to your racial epithets, you'll never get a response.....I'm never going to lower myself to your level.
You could never "lower" yourself to my level. I exist a couple of stratospheres above your level. I just think your declarations of social insignificance are amusing and betray the mind of a sheep that is highly motivated by what others think of you.
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White or black you still gotta go out there and get it. My brother is a VP. Is it cause he's white? Then why aren't I a VP?
I agree that you still have to go out there and get it. My going out and getting it requires me jumping through hoops you dont have to. I dont whine about it because it is what it is. I cant be stopped but thats the reality of the situation. You arent a VP because you didnt want to be one or you didnt work for it.
 

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