The Sequester

[francoHFW]

Listen ya fegging moron dupes, this all STARTED with Pubs making an economy crushing CRISIS out of the debt ceiling and paying the GD bills. You're so STUPID- just no one can believe HOW stupid and destructive. Sequester was just a way out of THAT self inflicted horror...

 

[bripat9643]

Well you seem very knowledgeable. What was the last time you saw the military across the board give this kind of reaction to anything?

You mean you find it shocking that a bunch of government bureaucrats are complaining about having less money to play with?

Shocking, I tell you! Shocking!

 

[editec]

Does anyone buy into Obama's BS on this? He is claiming that the entire economy will collapse if 80 billion is cut from the federal spending.

The congress just spent almost that much on Sandy relief.

This is just more scare tactic rhetoric by the marxist kenyan.

If the sequester kicks in, no one will feel it--no one. If anyone thinks there is not 10% fat in the DOD budget then I have some underwater investment property to sell you in the swamp.

No one will feel it?

How about the civilian employees of the Federal government who will be making do with a four day workweek and four day paychecks?

I suspect they're going to feel it big time.

tough shit.

news for you- I AM a federal employee, they want to furlough me? hey I'll take the days off, no pay? well, unlike you and the rest of the hypocrisy squad (like the dopes that thanked you) that have squawked in the past that people asking for cuts don't put anything into the pot? well; defense cuts ( which you whining hypocrites have squealed for for years here) and my furlough, there you go, your turn

Your obvious anger is somewhat misdirected.

I admire your willingness to take it on the neck for your country, Traj.

 

[edthecynic]

Sequester came from the administration "Lad"

Obama’s sequester deal-changer

By Bob Woodward,

Friday, February 22, 5:59 PM

The finger-pointing began during the third presidential debate last fall, on Oct. 22, when President Obama blamed Congress. “The sequester is not something that I’ve proposed,” Obama said. “It is something that Congress has proposed.”

The White House chief of staff at the time, Jack Lew, who had been budget director during the negotiations that set up the sequester in 2011, backed up the president two days later.

“There was an insistence on the part of Republicans in Congress for there to be some automatic trigger,” Lew said while campaigning in Florida. It “was very much rooted in the Republican congressional insistence that there be an automatic measure.”

The president and Lew had this wrong. My extensive reporting for my book “The Price of Politics” shows that the automatic spending cuts were initiated by the White House and were the brainchild of Lew and White House congressional relations chief Rob Nabors — probably the foremost experts on budget issues in the senior ranks of the federal government.

Obama personally approved of the plan for Lew and Nabors to propose the sequester to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). They did so at 2:30 p.m. July 27, 2011, according to interviews with two senior White House aides who were directly involved.

Nabors has told others that they checked with the president before going to see Reid. A mandatory sequester was the only action-forcing mechanism they could devise. Nabors has said, “We didn’t actually think it would be that hard to convince them” — Reid and the Republicans — to adopt the sequester. “It really was the only thing we had. There was not a lot of other options left on the table.”

A majority of Republicans did vote for the Budget Control Act that summer, which included the sequester. Key Republican staffers said they didn’t even initially know what a sequester was — because the concept stemmed from the budget wars of the 1980s

Bob Woodward: Obama?s sequester deal-changer - The Washington Post

Woodward has been totally discredited on this issue. For example, he has Lew and Obama proposing the sequester on July 27, 2011 however Boner had the sequester posted on his own website on July 25, 2011. Boner proposed the sequester and had gotten it approved by House Republicans by July 25, 2011 beating the time Obama brought it to House Republicans by AT LEAST TWO DAYS!!!!!!!!!

Two-Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable | Speaker.gov

CAPS TO CONTROL FUTURE SPENDING

The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration). This is the same mechanism used in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.
John Boehner, July 25, 2011

 

[emptystep]

Let's see.....

My Father was one of the first black staff officers in the US Air Force. Retired Brigadier General and fighter pilot - Served in WWII, Korea. My Brother gave 28 years of his life to the Marines (retired Master Gunnery Sergeant) three tours in Vietnam. I served in the US Army in VietNam and retired as a Chief Warrant Officer. My Son currently is serving in the Persian Gulf as a FC Officer (WEAPS) on a Destroyer and my Daughter is serving in the Navy as an Attorney with the JAG.

The whole point here is that the Generals only parrot what the CIC tells them to. Whether or not they believe any of his crap is not the point. When the CIC tells you to say "this", that's what you do. Or, you are replaced by someone who will. Look at the number of Staff Officers that have recently resigned, quit or were replaced by Barry. You either "play ball" or he will make sure that you aren't part of the equation.

And YOUR credentials are??

That could possibly be the dumbest non-replies to a post I have ever gotten. First of all you could of just gave me a link to your genealogy.com page and saved yourself all that typing.

I said you seemed like a knowledgeable person. I did not question your qualifications in any way. But thanks for the background anyway.

You did insult the military about as much if not more than I have ever seen in my life. Call them the greatest men on Earth or call them baby killers but don't say they are spineless and brainless and aren't willing to make a single decision for themselves. Where the **** did that come from?

And if you hold on a second I will give you are response that is a little less WTF.

I'll ask you once more. YOUR credentials are?

Not wanting to leave a direct question unanswered I will, most regrettably, leave this question unanswered.

It is not for lack of trying. From the very first time I posted on a political message board I asked myself the exact same question, "What are my credentials?" Over a decade later I still don't have an answer to that question. You stated credentials but are those the credentials to be a posting fool? I would say not necessarily. (Given your posts I would say definitely not.)

Maybe in another decade or so I will have an answer to your question. And hopefully I will finally determine that I don't have those so called 'credentials' and can find something else to do with my free time, and time that is not so free.

 

[Jroc]

Sequester came from the administration "Lad"

Obama’s sequester deal-changer

By Bob Woodward,

Friday, February 22, 5:59 PM

The finger-pointing began during the third presidential debate last fall, on Oct. 22, when President Obama blamed Congress. “The sequester is not something that I’ve proposed,” Obama said. “It is something that Congress has proposed.”

The White House chief of staff at the time, Jack Lew, who had been budget director during the negotiations that set up the sequester in 2011, backed up the president two days later.

“There was an insistence on the part of Republicans in Congress for there to be some automatic trigger,” Lew said while campaigning in Florida. It “was very much rooted in the Republican congressional insistence that there be an automatic measure.”

The president and Lew had this wrong. My extensive reporting for my book “The Price of Politics” shows that the automatic spending cuts were initiated by the White House and were the brainchild of Lew and White House congressional relations chief Rob Nabors — probably the foremost experts on budget issues in the senior ranks of the federal government.

Obama personally approved of the plan for Lew and Nabors to propose the sequester to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). They did so at 2:30 p.m. July 27, 2011, according to interviews with two senior White House aides who were directly involved.

Nabors has told others that they checked with the president before going to see Reid. A mandatory sequester was the only action-forcing mechanism they could devise. Nabors has said, “We didn’t actually think it would be that hard to convince them” — Reid and the Republicans — to adopt the sequester. “It really was the only thing we had. There was not a lot of other options left on the table.”

A majority of Republicans did vote for the Budget Control Act that summer, which included the sequester. Key Republican staffers said they didn’t even initially know what a sequester was — because the concept stemmed from the budget wars of the 1980s

Bob Woodward: Obama?s sequester deal-changer - The Washington Post

Woodward has been totally discredited on this issue. For example, he has Lew and Obama proposing the sequester on July 27, 2011 however Boner had the sequester posted on his own website on July 25, 2011. Boner proposed the sequester and had gotten it approved by House Republicans by July 25, 2011 beating the time Obama brought it to House Republicans by AT LEAST TWO DAYS!!!!!!!!!

Two-Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable | Speaker.gov

CAPS TO CONTROL FUTURE SPENDING

The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration). This is the same mechanism used in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.
John Boehner, July 25, 2011

Obama didn't approve of it?.....

President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden shake hands in the Oval Office following a phone call with House Speaker John Boehner securing a bipartisan deal to reduce the nation's deficit and avoid default, Sunday, July 31, 2011. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

President Barack Obama Signs The Budget Control Act Of 2011

 

[healthmyths]

AGAIN the Democrats agree.. White House came up with the idea first!!! After All if the NYT says it it MUST BE TRUE RIGHT!!!
Q. Whose idea was it?

A. That is in dispute. Republicans say the White House came up with the idea. Democrats agree, to a point.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/22/us/politics/questions-and-answers-about-the-sequester.html?_r=0

At 2:30 p.m. [White House Office of Management Director Jack] Lew and [White House Director of legislative affairs Rob] Nabors went to the Senate to meet with [Senate Majority Leader Harry] Reid and his chief of staff, David Krone.
“We have an idea for the trigger,” Lew said.
“What’s the idea?” Reid asked skeptically.
“Sequestration.”

 

[Sallow]

Whose sequester? Obama's!!!

In the debate, Obama said he didn’t propose sequestration, Congress did. (We asked the White House for comment, but didn't hear back.)

To determine the question of ownership, we turned to Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward’s new book The Price of Politics.

Woodward’s reporting shows clearly that defense sequestration was an idea that came out of Obama’s White House. But the intention was to force Republicans to negotiate, not to actually put the cuts into effect.
The White House crafted the sequester during the summer 2011 battle over government spending that almost saw the country default on its debt payments for the first time in its history.
Woodward summarizes the thoughts of the Obama team: "There would be no chance the Republicans would want to pull the trigger and allow the sequester to force massive cuts to Defense." Democrats, meanwhile, didn’t want to see their favorite domestic programs cut.

PolitiFact | Barack Obama says Congress owns sequestration cuts

AND NOW TODAY what does Obama say: He blamed the current stalemate on "partisan recklessness and ideological rigidity."

Read more: Obama pins blame on Republicans for looming cuts, as fiscal hawk warns of 'failed presidency' | Fox News

You can post all the proof there is regarding the FACT that Obama crafted the whole scene and our in-house Obamabots will counter with their usual "liar, liar, pants on fire".

You mustn't forget, we're dealing with mental midgets who've been drinking the liberal Kool-Aide since birth and cannot be convinced of the truth regarding any sort of blemish on their dear leader.

Liberalism is a mental disorder...and liberals have been breeding for centuries, procreating their misguided principles and socialist agenda despite historical records showing that socialism fails to deliver the utopia it falsely advertises.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_paKxXLsenA]Boehner Christmas II - YouTube[/ame]

This never gets old.

 

[Dante]

AGAIN the Democrats agree.. White House came up with the idea first!!! After All if the NYT says it it MUST BE TRUE RIGHT!!!
Q. Whose idea was it?

A. That is in dispute. Republicans say the White House came up with the idea. Democrats agree, to a point.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/22/us/politics/questions-and-answers-about-the-sequester.html?_r=0

At 2:30 p.m. [White House Office of Management Director Jack] Lew and [White House Director of legislative affairs Rob] Nabors went to the Senate to meet with [Senate Majority Leader Harry] Reid and his chief of staff, David Krone.
“We have an idea for the trigger,” Lew said.
“What’s the idea?” Reid asked skeptically.
“Sequestration.”

White House came up with the idea of Obamacare. Why didn't the GOP go with it?

 

[Dante]

I think the health insurance mandate was first proposed by Republicans.

by conservative think tank

 

[Sallow]

The GOP propaganda on this has escalated to the point where they're now saying the President 'insisted' on the sequestration.

As if...

Obama initially wanted a clean bill..Republicans said no.

Then Obama cobbled together a "Grand Bargain" which gave the Republicans 10 cuts to 1 increase. They said no.

Then came the sequestration..which orginally was Boehner's idea. That was put together to avert default.

This was in NO WAY Obama's idea.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Automatic Spending Cuts Are a Joke: Druckenmiller

$85 billion is a "joke".

 

[Dante]

The GOP propaganda on this has escalated to the point where they're now saying the President 'insisted' on the sequestration.

As if...

Obama initially wanted a clean bill..Republicans said no.

Then Obama cobbled together a "Grand Bargain" which gave the Republicans 10 cuts to 1 increase. They said no.

Then came the sequestration..which orginally was Boehner's idea. That was put together to avert default.

This was in NO WAY Obama's idea.

Obama made me do it!

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha...

 

[JRK]

1) to start with it slows the rate of growth, that is not a cut
As Senator Rand Paul pointed out in his Tea Party sponsored rebuttal to Obama’s State of the Union message, “Few people understand that the sequester doesn't even cut any spending. It just slows the rate of growth. Even with the sequester, government will grow over $7 trillion over the next decade.

Only in Washington could an increase of $7 trillion in spending over a decade be called a cut.”
There Are No Spending ?Cuts? In Sequestration | ConservativeHQ.com

2) in 2007 the budget was 2.7 trillion
2007 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
last year it was 3.8 trillion
2012 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It has grown more in those 4 years by FAR than at any other time before
over 1 trillion dollars

this is the biggest lie BHO has ever told

 

[Redfish]

1) to start with it slows the rate of growth, that is not a cut
As Senator Rand Paul pointed out in his Tea Party sponsored rebuttal to Obama’s State of the Union message, “Few people understand that the sequester doesn't even cut any spending. It just slows the rate of growth. Even with the sequester, government will grow over $7 trillion over the next decade.

Only in Washington could an increase of $7 trillion in spending over a decade be called a cut.”
There Are No Spending ?Cuts? In Sequestration | ConservativeHQ.com

2) in 2007 the budget was 2.7 trillion
2007 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
last year it was 3.8 trillion
2012 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It has grown more in those 4 years by FAR than at any other time before
over 1 trillion dollars

this is the biggest lie BHO has ever told

you are in dangerous territory here. Posting the truth about the obama lies will cause many of our liberal friends to have cranial implosions.

The truth to liberals is like kryptonite to superman, it saps their strength and makes them stumble and unable to speak clearly, sometimes it causes them to spout vile insults at anyone who dares to tell the truth about their failed messiah.

 

[JRK]

1) to start with it slows the rate of growth, that is not a cut
As Senator Rand Paul pointed out in his Tea Party sponsored rebuttal to Obama’s State of the Union message, “Few people understand that the sequester doesn't even cut any spending. It just slows the rate of growth. Even with the sequester, government will grow over $7 trillion over the next decade.

Only in Washington could an increase of $7 trillion in spending over a decade be called a cut.”
There Are No Spending ?Cuts? In Sequestration | ConservativeHQ.com

2) in 2007 the budget was 2.7 trillion
2007 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
last year it was 3.8 trillion
2012 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It has grown more in those 4 years by FAR than at any other time before
over 1 trillion dollars

this is the biggest lie BHO has ever told

you are in dangerous territory here. Posting the truth about the obama lies will cause many of our liberal friends to have cranial implosions.

The truth to liberals is like kryptonite to superman, it saps their strength and makes them stumble and unable to speak clearly, sometimes it causes them to spout vile insults at anyone who dares to tell the truth about their failed messiah.

This is crazy
The media keeps repeating these lies
we have lost this country and I do not think we will ever get it back

 

[edthecynic]

AGAIN the Democrats agree.. White House came up with the idea first!!! After All if the NYT says it it MUST BE TRUE RIGHT!!!
Q. Whose idea was it?

A. That is in dispute. Republicans say the White House came up with the idea. Democrats agree, to a point.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/22/us/politics/questions-and-answers-about-the-sequester.html?_r=0

At 2:30 p.m. [White House Office of Management Director Jack] Lew and [White House Director of legislative affairs Rob] Nabors went to the Senate to meet with [Senate Majority Leader Harry] Reid and his chief of staff, David Krone.
“We have an idea for the trigger,” Lew said.
“What’s the idea?” Reid asked skeptically.
“Sequestration.”

In typical CON$ervoFascist fashion you edited the NY Times quote leaving this out, "But Democrats explain that the president proposed a mix of automatic tax increases and domestic cuts.

Republicans rejected that mix and said they would instead accept another idea they had traditionally opposed: military cuts. Regardless, the Budget Control Act, including the cuts, passed on a bipartisan vote that included almost all Republican leaders, and President Obama signed it."

And your other quote from the discredited Bob Woodward you left out the date, July 27, 2011 because Boner had HIS sequester posted on his website TWO days earlier.

Boner and the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood own the sequester.

Two-Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable | Speaker.gov

CAPS TO CONTROL FUTURE SPENDING
The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration). This is the same mechanism used in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.
John Boehner, July 25, 2011

 

[Mustang]

The GOP propaganda on this has escalated to the point where they're now saying the President 'insisted' on the sequestration.

As if...

Obama initially wanted a clean bill..Republicans said no.

Then Obama cobbled together a "Grand Bargain" which gave the Republicans 10 cuts to 1 increase. They said no.

Then came the sequestration..which orginally was Boehner's idea. That was put together to avert default.

This was in NO WAY Obama's idea.

Frankly, I don't even see where there's any relevance to the question of whose idea the sequestration was unless one side can realistically argue that they didn't agree to it, voted against it, and it was subsequently forced on them. But that's not the case. Republicans supported it, voted for it, and are, even now, forcing it on the country. So, for Republicans to say that it wasn't their idea is an argument without merit. Consequently, if the sequestration turns out to be a debacle, conservative Republicans are not going to escape blame and the political fallout that follows just because they argue that it wasn't 'their' idea.

 

[emptystep]

The GOP propaganda on this has escalated to the point where they're now saying the President 'insisted' on the sequestration.

As if...

Obama initially wanted a clean bill..Republicans said no.

Then Obama cobbled together a "Grand Bargain" which gave the Republicans 10 cuts to 1 increase. They said no.

Then came the sequestration..which orginally was Boehner's idea. That was put together to avert default.

This was in NO WAY Obama's idea.

Frankly, I don't even see where there's any relevance to the the question of whose idea the sequestration was unless one side can realistically argue that they didn't agree to it, voted against it, and it was subsequently forced on them. But that's not the case. Republicans supported it, voted for it, and are, even now, forcing it on the country. So, for Republicans to say that it wasn't their idea is an argument without merit. Consequently, if the sequestration turns out to be a debacle, conservative Republicans are not going to escape blame and the political fallout that follows just because they argue that it wasn't 'their' idea.

Agreed. Everyone arguing about whose idea it was rather than working on a budget kind of misses the point.

 

[Redfish]

Obama initially wanted a clean bill..Republicans said no.

Then Obama cobbled together a "Grand Bargain" which gave the Republicans 10 cuts to 1 increase. They said no.

Then came the sequestration..which orginally was Boehner's idea. That was put together to avert default.

This was in NO WAY Obama's idea.

Frankly, I don't even see where there's any relevance to the the question of whose idea the sequestration was unless one side can realistically argue that they didn't agree to it, voted against it, and it was subsequently forced on them. But that's not the case. Republicans supported it, voted for it, and are, even now, forcing it on the country. So, for Republicans to say that it wasn't their idea is an argument without merit. Consequently, if the sequestration turns out to be a debacle, conservative Republicans are not going to escape blame and the political fallout that follows just because they argue that it wasn't 'their' idea.

Agreed. Everyone arguing about whose idea it was rather than working on a budget kind of misses the point.

tell that to Harry Reid, he has yet to let a single house passed budget bill come to the floor of the senate for debate and/or a vote.

Why is that? is he afraid one might pass?