The Second Law of Thermodynamics Precludes an Infinite Acting Universe

[BackAgain]

You'd be wrong. Even if you don't believe in natural evolution, which has firmly established that birds evolved from earlier egg-laying animals. You must believe in animal breeding, where the current domestic chicken must have been bred from a different bird, domesticated by man to become the chicken.

Either way, it's pretty clear that the egg came first.

Nope: I assume you’re saying that amniotic eggs preceded chickens. But the question isn’t about eggs in general. The question is really about chicken eggs. Accordingly, despite your self assurance, it may well be that YOU are the one who is wrong here.

“At the end of the day, the question is something of a false dichotomy. Eggs certainly came before chickens, but chicken eggs did not—you can’t have one without the other.”

Which came first: the chicken or the egg?

Science can help us find the answer.

www.science.org.au

That site also says they’d come down on your side … but they don’t state it as though it’s settled. Because it’s not.

 

[BackAgain]

You'd be wrong. Even if you don't believe in natural evolution, which has firmly established that birds evolved from earlier egg-laying animals. You must believe in animal breeding, where the current domestic chicken must have been bred from a different bird, domesticated by man to become the chicken.

Either way, it's pretty clear that the egg came first.

The egg wouldn’t be fertilized if the rooster hadn’t come.

 

[fncceo]

I bet you don't.
I also bet you don't know the meanings of Erev or Boker.

One of the root meaning of Yom is "warm" referring to the portion of the day when the sun is up -- to become synonymous with the day itself. Which is why we measure the start of our days from sunset to sunset.

 

[Indeependent]

One of the root meaning of Yom is "warm" referring to the portion of the day when the sun is up -- to become synonymous with the day itself. Which is why we measure the start of our days from sunset to sunset.

Guess what...How can there be an Erev, Boker or Yom on the first 3 days when there was no sun or planets in existence.
I'll tell you tomorrow.

 

[BackAgain]

Guess what...How can there be an Erev, Boker or Yom on the first 3 days when there was no sun or planets in existence.
I'll tell you tomorrow.

At sunrise?

 

[Indeependent]

At sunrise?

Later...

 

[fncceo]

The egg wouldn’t be fertilized if the rooster hadn’t come.

The original chicken was the offspring of two non-chicken birds in the wild. Bred, by humans, to create what we now know as the domestic chicken.

 

[fncceo]

Guess what...How can there be an Erev, Boker or Yom on the first 3 days when there was no sun or planets in existence.
I'll tell you tomorrow.

Well, time increments are totally arbitrary.

 

[BackAgain]

The original chicken was the offspring of two non-chicken birds in the wild. Bred, by humans, to create what we now know as the domestic chicken.

The male proto-chicken still had to get laid in order to come to fertilize that egg.

 

[Indeependent]

Well, time increments are totally arbitrary.

True...depending on an almost infinite number of variables.
But what we are currently discussing is the actual meanings of three words terribly mistranslated in the KJV.

 

[edthecynic]

the universe was filled with energy during the quantum tunneling event which is how the universe was created from nothing.

Since when is ENERGY "nothing," when, in fact, energy is EVERYTHING????

 

[fncceo]

True...depending on an almost infinite number of variables.
But what we are currently discussing is the actual meanings of three words terribly mistranslated in the KJV.

Never read it.

 

[Indeependent]

Never read it.

And yet you still think Erev means Evening, Boker means Morning and Yome means Day...none of these Hebrew words means any of these.

 

[fncceo]

The male proto-chicken still had to get laid in order to come to fertilize that egg.

Perhaps it was a fowl messiah ... virgin chicken birth...

 

[edthecynic]

entropy can only increase or stay the same. Entropy can never decrease. Which means that in a finite amount of time, a finite system will reach a maximum state of disorder which is called thermal equilibrium and then it will stay in that state.

Thermal equilibrium violates the Third Law of Thermodynamics!!!

 

[BackAgain]

Perhaps it was a fowl messiah ... virgin chicken birth...

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Some yolks just crack me up. Some are eggcellent.

 

[fncceo]

And yet you still think Erev means Evening, Boker means Morning and Yome means Day...none of these Hebrew words means any of these.

Erev means "the day before" -- the other meaning of eve. There is also a school of thought that a homonym of erev, meaning mix, is how it came to mean the time between this day and the next.

One meaning of boker is "to inspect" which is only possible where there is light (apparently ancient Hebrews didn't have LED flashlights). We get our first light in the morning.

 

[edthecynic]

Do you believe that there are no 100% efficient processes?

There better be or no matter could exist.
What do you think the "or stay the same" means in the SLoT if not 100% efficiency?
Do you believe matter exists???

 

[edthecynic]

they too were created from nothing.

Except there is no such thing as nothing.
From nothing, nothing comes.

 

[fncceo]

Except there is no such thing as nothing.
From nothing, nothing comes.

Yes, but it's perfectly acceptable to fill an totally empty space from somewhere else. There are at least 10 dimensions in our universe. We can only perceive three of them.

It could be that what appears to be empty to us is, in fact, quite full.