Zone1 The Second Coming of Christ

[Quantrill]

This is in response to @PoliticalChics question concerning the Second Coming of Christ. It is quite extensive and will also involve the promise of God to Israel concerning the Millennial Reign of Christ, the future Kingdom to come.

It is important to note that if Christ does not return, then the promises of the Kingdom to Israel will not be fulfilled. This is the Kingdom Christ instructed them to pray for. (Matt. 6:9-10) "After this manner therefore pray ye: our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven."

This is the Kingdom that Christ came to set up at His First Coming. (Matt. 3:1-2) "In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. See also, (Matt. 4:17) (Matt. 10:5-7)

But Israel rejected Jesus Christ as her King, and instead crucified Him. Thus the Kingdom did not come. See (Matt. 12: 24-32) (Matt. 21:42-43)

After Christs resurrection and as He was leaving to ascend to the Father, his disciples asked Him, "...Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? (Acts 1:6) To which Jesus replied, "...It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power."

Christ was saying here that as to the time of the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel, they could not know. But that there would be a restoration of the Kingdom to Israel is sure. (Acts 1:11) "...Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

Thus you have the necessity for the return of Christ, the King of Israel, in order to set up the Kingdom as promised. The Second Coming of Christ.

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[Quantrill]

The Old Testament prophets who prophesied of the coming Messiah, struggled at times to understand their own prophecies. This was due to some prophecies which spake of a suffering Christ, and others which spake of the Messiah coming in glory to establish the Kingdom.

(1 Peter 1:9-11) "Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you.

"Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

Some Jews went so far as to believe there must be two Messiahs and not just one. But there won't be two Messiahs, there will be two comings of the One Messiah. The First Coming would involve the sufferings of Messiah. (Is. 52:13-53:12 The Second Coming will involve the coming in glory to set up the Kingdom. (Isaiah 11-12)

The First Coming saw Messiah, the meek and lowly Jesus, coming first to offer the Kingdom to Israel. But Jesus did not fit what the Rabbis and religious leaders wanted in their Messiah. Thus Jesus was always in contention with them till finally the complete rejection of Him and the Kingdom was done. And Jesus suffered the sufferings of the First Coming, which provided salvation for any who would have Him. Which now demanded a Second Coming to establish the Kingdom, as promised, to Israel. Thus Christ must come again.

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[onefour1]

The apostle John who wrote the book of Revelation speaks of a book in Revelation chapter 5 that is sealed on the back with 7 seals. As John opens each of the first six seals in Revelation chapter 6, he sees events that occur on the earth. It is not until he opens the seventh seal that he sees the events that occur just prior to Jesus' second coming. The prophet Joseph Smith received revelation regarding the meaning of this book that John saw and the meaning of the seven seals.

Doctrine and Covenants 77:6-7
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals?
A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.

7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed?
A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

From this we understand that the book was a book of the works of God and his dealing concerning this earth during its time of temporal existence. It tells us that the earth's temporal existence is to last just 7000 years. The temporal existence of the earth began when Adam and Eve fell and the earth became temporal. It is then to only continue for 7000 years. The 7th thousand year period is known as the millennium and will be the time that Jesus comes and reigns upon the earth and establishes his kingdom upon the earth!

It is taught in LDS scripture that Jesus came in the meridian of time or the middle of time.

Moses 7:45-47
45 And it came to pass that Enoch looked; and from Noah, he beheld all the families of the earth; and he cried unto the Lord, saying: When shall the day of the Lord come? When shall the blood of the Righteous be shed, that all they that mourn may be sanctified and have eternal life?

46 And the Lord said: It shall be in the meridian of time, in the days of wickedness and vengeance.

47 And behold, Enoch saw the day of the coming of the Son of Man, even in the flesh; and his soul rejoiced, saying: The Righteous is lifted up, and the Lamb is slain from the foundation of the world; and through faith I am in the bosom of the Father, and behold, Zion is with me.

From this it is my personal belief that Jesus came toward the end of the 4th seal or the end of the 4th thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence (the middle period). I believe Jesus died and was resurrected around the year 33 A.D. If the 4th seal ended just after Jesus' death and resurrection, then the 5th and 6th seal would be from 34 A.D. to 1033 A.D. and 1034 A.D. to 2033 A.D. So I believe we are currently in the last days of the 6th seal and that the 7th seal will begin just after 2033 A.D. How long each of the events of the 7th seal that are prior to Christ's coming will last is not known but Jesus is to make his second coming after the opening of the 7th seal. I don't believe it will be 100 years or more into the 7th seal if Jesus is to reign on earth for 1000 years. So I think we are relatively close to his second coming. I believe we have around 8 years left in the 6th seal and then the 7th seal will open. I don't believe it will be more than 50 years into the 7th seal before our Lord will make his second coming upon the earth. Just my personal thoughts on the second coming.

 

[norwegen]

In the first century, they began to recognize their place in God’s kingdom on earth. Paul proclaimed citizenship in the kingdom for himself and his contemporaries (Col 1:13). The letter to the Hebrews exhorts believers to be grateful for the kingdom they had received (Heb 12:28). And the Revelator declared himself a partner in the kingdom with his brethren (Rv 1:9). The kingdom’s arrival is clearly a first-century phenomenon.

 

[TNHarley]

"this generation will not pass until all these things take place"
Your fake messiah isnt coming back.

 

[onefour1]

"this generation will not pass until all these things take place"
Your fake messiah isnt coming back.

Matthew 16:28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

John 21:20-24
20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

Jesus taught that there were some among him that would not taste of death until they see Him coming in his kingdom. Of John the apostle, he told Peter that John would tarry till He came again. So apparently that generation did not all pass away yet.

 

[0311]

This is in response to @PoliticalChics question concerning the Second Coming of Christ. It is quite extensive and will also involve the promise of God to Israel concerning the Millennial Reign of Christ, the future Kingdom to come.

It is important to note that if Christ does not return, then the promises of the Kingdom to Israel will not be fulfilled. This is the Kingdom Christ instructed them to pray for. (Matt. 6:9-10) "After this manner therefore pray ye: our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven."

This is the Kingdom that Christ came to set up at His First Coming. (Matt. 3:1-2) "In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. See also, (Matt. 4:17) (Matt. 10:5-7)

But Israel rejected Jesus Christ as her King, and instead crucified Him. Thus the Kingdom did not come. See (Matt. 12: 24-32) (Matt. 21:42-43)

After Christs resurrection and as He was leaving to ascend to the Father, his disciples asked Him, "...Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? (Acts 1:6) To which Jesus replied, "...It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power."

Christ was saying here that as to the time of the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel, they could not know. But that there would be a restoration of the Kingdom to Israel is sure. (Acts 1:11) "...Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

Thus you have the necessity for the return of Christ, the King of Israel, in order to set up the Kingdom as promised. The Second Coming of Christ.

Quantrill

Yeshua (proper spelling) did NOT have first coming, he never existed. He like Sky Man father are fiction.

 

[DennisPTate]

This is in response to @PoliticalChics question concerning the Second Coming of Christ. It is quite extensive and will also involve the promise of God to Israel concerning the Millennial Reign of Christ, the future Kingdom to come.

It is important to note that if Christ does not return, then the promises of the Kingdom to Israel will not be fulfilled. This is the Kingdom Christ instructed them to pray for. (Matt. 6:9-10) "After this manner therefore pray ye: our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven."

This is the Kingdom that Christ came to set up at His First Coming. (Matt. 3:1-2) "In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. See also, (Matt. 4:17) (Matt. 10:5-7)

But Israel rejected Jesus Christ as her King, and instead crucified Him. Thus the Kingdom did not come. See (Matt. 12: 24-32) (Matt. 21:42-43)

After Christs resurrection and as He was leaving to ascend to the Father, his disciples asked Him, "...Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? (Acts 1:6) To which Jesus replied, "...It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power."

Christ was saying here that as to the time of the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel, they could not know. But that there would be a restoration of the Kingdom to Israel is sure. (Acts 1:11) "...Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

Thus you have the necessity for the return of Christ, the King of Israel, in order to set up the Kingdom as promised. The Second Coming of Christ.

Quantrill

What are your thoughts on the resurrection of the grandfather of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus, King David himself?

[Ezekiel 37] :

Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20;And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21;And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22;And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23;Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24;And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25;And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26;Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27;My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28;And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

Bible Gateway passage: Ezekiel 37 - King James Version

The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. And he said unto me...

www.biblegateway.com

My apologies if I am in error but I believe that the full understanding of the raising up of King David has at least some connection to The Dr. Ian Stevenson research and the Gilgul Cycle of Judaism.

[Dr. Ian Stevenson]

4. Birthmarks and Birth Defects Corresponding to Wounds on Deceased Persons​

SOURCE: Dr. Ian Stevenson, Department of Psychiatric Medicine, University of Virginia, School of Medicine, Charlottesville, Virginia 22908

ABSTRACT: Almost nothing is known about why pigmented birthmarks (moles or nevi) occur in particular locations of the skin. The causes of most birth defects are also unknown. About 35% of children who claim to remember previous lives have birthmarks and/or birth defects that they (or adult informants) attribute to wounds on a person whose life the child remembers. The cases of 210 such children have been investigated. The birthmarks were usually areas of hairless, puckered skin; some were areas of little or no pigmentation (hypopigmented macules); others were areas of increased pigmentation (hyperpigmented nevi). The birth defects were nearly always of rare types. In cases in which a deceased person was identified the details of whose life unmistakably matched the child’s statements, a close correspondence was nearly always found between the birthmarks and/or birth defects on the child and the wounds on the deceased person. In 43 of 49 cases in which a medical document (usually a postmortem report) was obtained, it confirmed the correspondence between wounds and birthmarks (or birth defects). There is little evidence that parents and other informants imposed a false identity on the child in order to explain the child’s birthmark or birth defect. Some paranormal process seems required to account for at least some of the details of these cases, including the birthmarks and birth defects.

Dr. Ian Stevenson's Reincarnation Research - Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

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[Quantrill]

Yeshua (proper spelling) did NOT have first coming, he never existed. He like Sky Man father are fiction.

The Bible says differently.

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[Quantrill]

What are your thoughts on the resurrection of the grandfather of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus, King David himself?




My apologies if I am in error but I believe that the full understanding of the raising up of King David has at least some connection to The Dr. Ian Stevenson research and the Gilgul Cycle of Judaism.

My belief is based upon the Bible alone.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

The apostle John who wrote the book of Revelation speaks of a book in Revelation chapter 5 that is sealed on the back with 7 seals. As John opens each of the first six seals in Revelation chapter 6, he sees events that occur on the earth. It is not until he opens the seventh seal that he sees the events that occur just prior to Jesus' second coming. The prophet Joseph Smith received revelation regarding the meaning of this book that John saw and the meaning of the seven seals.

Doctrine and Covenants 77:6-7
6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals?
A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence.

7 Q. What are we to understand by the seven seals with which it was sealed?
A. We are to understand that the first seal contains the things of the first thousand years, and the second also of the second thousand years, and so on until the seventh.

From this we understand that the book was a book of the works of God and his dealing concerning this earth during its time of temporal existence. It tells us that the earth's temporal existence is to last just 7000 years. The temporal existence of the earth began when Adam and Eve fell and the earth became temporal. It is then to only continue for 7000 years. The 7th thousand year period is known as the millennium and will be the time that Jesus comes and reigns upon the earth and establishes his kingdom upon the earth!

It is taught in LDS scripture that Jesus came in the meridian of time or the middle of time.

Moses 7:45-47
45 And it came to pass that Enoch looked; and from Noah, he beheld all the families of the earth; and he cried unto the Lord, saying: When shall the day of the Lord come? When shall the blood of the Righteous be shed, that all they that mourn may be sanctified and have eternal life?

46 And the Lord said: It shall be in the meridian of time, in the days of wickedness and vengeance.

47 And behold, Enoch saw the day of the coming of the Son of Man, even in the flesh; and his soul rejoiced, saying: The Righteous is lifted up, and the Lamb is slain from the foundation of the world; and through faith I am in the bosom of the Father, and behold, Zion is with me.

From this it is my personal belief that Jesus came toward the end of the 4th seal or the end of the 4th thousand year period of the earth's temporal existence (the middle period). I believe Jesus died and was resurrected around the year 33 A.D. If the 4th seal ended just after Jesus' death and resurrection, then the 5th and 6th seal would be from 34 A.D. to 1033 A.D. and 1034 A.D. to 2033 A.D. So I believe we are currently in the last days of the 6th seal and that the 7th seal will begin just after 2033 A.D. How long each of the events of the 7th seal that are prior to Christ's coming will last is not known but Jesus is to make his second coming after the opening of the 7th seal. I don't believe it will be 100 years or more into the 7th seal if Jesus is to reign on earth for 1000 years. So I think we are relatively close to his second coming. I believe we have around 8 years left in the 6th seal and then the 7th seal will open. I don't believe it will be more than 50 years into the 7th seal before our Lord will make his second coming upon the earth. Just my personal thoughts on the second coming.

My belief is based upon the Bible alone.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

"this generation will not pass until all these things take place"
Your fake messiah isnt coming back.

What does this Bible verse, (Matt. 24:34), have to do with your conclusion?

Why is Jesus a 'fake Messiah'?

Quantrill

 

[MisterBeale]

This is the Kingdom Christ instructed them to pray for.

No it isn't.


The Kingdom referred to in the Lord's prayer, is the Kingdom of Heaven, not Israel.

"Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

It has nothing to do with Israel.

 

[TNHarley]

What does this Bible verse, (Matt. 24:34), have to do with your conclusion?

Why is Jesus a 'fake Messiah'?

Quantrill

That generation is obviously over. It was over loooooooong ago.
I say that because he clearly wasnt. The Messianic age never happened.

 

[Quantrill]

No it isn't.


The Kingdom referred to in the Lord's prayer, is the Kingdom of Heaven, not Israel.

"Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

It has nothing to do with Israel.

Yes, it is. The Kingdom of Heaven has everything to do with Israel.

(Matt. 10:5-7) "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans, enter ye not:

"But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

"And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand."

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[Quantrill]

That generation is obviously over. It was over loooooooong ago.
I say that because he clearly wasnt. The Messianic age never happened.

That generation described is still a 'future' generation. It hasn't occurred yet, unless ours happens to be it.

If by the 'Messianic age' you mean the Millennial reign of Christ for 1000 years in Jerusalem with Israel as the leading nation of the world, yes, it hasn't happened yet.

But that age was offered by Christ as the Messiah of Israel. It was rejected...He was rejected...Thus it didn't come. But it will, says the Scriptures.

Quantrill

 

[TNHarley]

That generation described is still a 'future' generation. It hasn't occurred yet, unless ours happens to be it.

If by the 'Messianic age' you mean the Millennial reign of Christ for 1000 years in Jerusalem with Israel as the leading nation of the world, yes, it hasn't happened yet.

But that age was offered by Christ as the Messiah of Israel. It was rejected...He was rejected...Thus it didn't come. But it will, says the Scriptures.

Quantrill

Those darn jews dont even know their own messiah. So dumb. lolz

 

[MisterBeale]

The Kingdom of Heaven has everything to do with Israel.

Good lord, if it does, the world is doomed.

Very few nations on Earth are more demonic infested places currently.

 

[Quantrill]

Those darn jews dont even know their own messiah. So dumb. lolz

Indeed. The nation of Israel was led astray by their Rabbis and religious leaders.

But, they have a history of rejecting God and the ones God sends to them. So, not surprising.

Quantrill

 

[0311]

The Bible says differently.

Quantrill

**** the ******* BIBLE! The Holy Myth Book is just as fake as a Sky Man and his Bastard Son. You talk your belief in non-existent god, but you do NOT practice love, kindness, acceptance, compassion and caring he calls on you practice. The bible has no significance in the modern world. IF you believe in your god, then show the love he calls upon you to practice. Dump the Muslim hate, the LGBTQ hate. But you won't, because you want it.

YOU throw you hate and contempt as if it does not matter. You hate and you enjoy your hate.

No god. No Yeshua (proper spelling) the bible is a lie. You have no faith, just empty words