The Second Amendment is the right to bear arms not guns.

[EvilCat Breath]

My point. It is ridiculous to think the original intent of the second amendment can be applied today.
It has constantly been changed.

The need for personal safety has never changed. Guns for personal use are needed now, more than ever.

 

[ElmerMudd]

1. So you want to have a Bill Clinton 'It depends on the definition ition of the word 'is'-type discussion to question whst the Founding Fathers meant by 'arms' ... or, more likely, what liberals / Democrats want to define themselves as today?!

2. "Guns are the weakest of the arms available in today's world."

Ummm, what was used in the assault on this school and the murder of 19 kids and 2 teachers? What has been used at almost every single school shooting? What is being used daily in the record-setting gun violence and murders in Chicago?

To say guns are the weakest of the arms today the day after 19 kids were killed seems a little bit ignorant, for lack of a better word.

Despite all of the laws passed,restrictions instituted, Chicago and other liberal cities have proven illegal guns are still ready available and capable of setting records for numbers of people killed.

Disarming law-abiding people is not, however, the answer because all that is accomplished is making many, many more victims, sheep for the wolves to prey upon with no way to defend themselves.


Attempting to disarm the mentally ill psychos, 'gangstas', and murderers isn't working. How about spending more money on protecting our kids.

The FBI was aware of several of the last couple of shooters, excluding this one, it seems so far. They were on watch lists were questioned...and released.

Still the sick, cowardly SOBs came for our kids...at schools where there wasn't sufficient security, for kids who had no armed protectors to save them.

Guns are not 'weak',, depending on who is using them and specifically for certain purposes.

Guns were the perfect weapons of choice for a sick SOB who wanted to attack an unsecured, unprotected school to kill defenseless children as young as 8yo.

Perhaps I misunderstood the point you were trying to make. If so, I apologize.

My point is the 2nd amendment has been changed to meet the reality of the world and arms throughout history. The vast majority of arms have already been restricted. For the whiners who say we cannot stomp on the rights of the 2nd amendment are too late. Out of necessity the 2nd amendment has been altered throughout history. It needs to be altered again. Not eliminated, altered.

 

[easyt65]

My point is the 2nd amendment has been changed to meet the reality of the world and arms throughout history. The vast majority of arms have already been restricted. For the whiners who say we cannot stomp on the rights of the 2nd amendment are too late. Out of necessity the 2nd amendment has been altered throughout history. It needs to be altered again. Not eliminated, altered.

How do you propose it should be altered?

 

[Missourian]

My point is the 2nd amendment has been changed to meet the reality of the world and arms throughout history. The vast majority of arms have already been restricted. For the whiners who say we cannot stomp on the rights of the 2nd amendment are too late. Out of necessity the 2nd amendment has been altered throughout history. It needs to be altered again. Not eliminated, altered.

What?

Sorry Dude...but you are wrong again...

From Black's law Dictionary...

"Anything that a man wears for his defense, or takes in his hands, or uses in his anger, to cast at or strike at another. Co. Litt. 1616, 162a; State v. Buzzard, 4 Ark. 18. This term, as it Is used in the constitution, relative to the right of citizens to bear arms, refers to the arms of a militiaman or soldier, and the word is used in its military sense.

ARMS Definition & Meaning - Black's Law Dictionary

Find the legal definition of ARMS from Black's Law Dictionary, 2nd Edition. Anything that a man wears for his defense, or takes in his hands, or uses in his anger, to cast at or strike at another. Co. Litt. 1616, 162a; State v....

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[Damaged Eagle]

That is not what the second amendment says. You are altering the intent of the second amendment. My point the second amendment has changed with time, as it should. The nut cases yelling it cannot be changed are too late. It has been changed and should be changed as the world of arms changes.

You're right it can change with times and I prefer my version to yours.

*****SMILE*****

 

[ElmerMudd]

What?

Sorry Dude...but you are wrong again...

From Black's law Dictionary...

"Anything that a man wears for his defense, or takes in his hands, or uses in his anger, to cast at or strike at another. Co. Litt. 1616, 162a; State v. Buzzard, 4 Ark. 18. This term, as it Is used in the constitution, relative to the right of citizens to bear arms, refers to the arms of a militiaman or soldier, and the word is used in its military sense.

ARMS Definition & Meaning - Black's Law Dictionary

Find the legal definition of ARMS from Black's Law Dictionary, 2nd Edition. Anything that a man wears for his defense, or takes in his hands, or uses in his anger, to cast at or strike at another. Co. Litt. 1616, 162a; State v....

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machine gun, bazooka, hand held rocket launcher, - restricted

 

[Rye Catcher]

The Second Amendment is the right to bear arms not guns. Guns are the weakest of the arms available in today's world. If you want to have the rights granted in the Constitution, you should be able to have all arms available to the militaries of the world.
Those who are fighting for just guns are a bunch of wooses. They are not fighting for the full rights of the 2nd amendment. They are ignoring and trampling on the 2nd amendment
1. arms - weapons considered collectively. implements of war

Consider guns are not noted in the 2nd A, thus ever state has the power to make the rules to wit:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Let's those states to decide by a a general vote by the electorate on a single political question which has been referred to them for a direct decision.

Any money put forth in an advertisement must be doubled and given to Children's Hospitals all across our nation. The donor must be noted and in payment to the advertisement where the money came from.

 

[Rye Catcher]

The need for personal safety has never changed. Guns for personal use are needed now, more than ever.

Really, you are so scared you need to carry a gun going to a movie theater, a supermarket or a walk in the park. What a coward you seem to be.

 

[Indeependent]

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[Damaged Eagle]

Really, you are so scared you need to carry a gun going to a movie theater, a supermarket or a walk in the park. What a coward you seem to be.

We're sorry you're so scared of someone who's carrying legally frightens you so much.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[Lastamender]

Really, you are so scared you need to carry a gun going to a movie theater, a supermarket or a walk in the park. What a coward you seem to be.

Or just prepared.

 

[Missourian]

machine gun, bazooka, hand held rocket launcher, - restricted

Bazookas and rocket launchers are explosive artillery...not arms.

And fully automatic weapons IMO should not be regulated.

Anyone can make a bump stock...there were...and probably still are half a million of them in circulation for 15 years.

One guy couldn't handle the responsibility.

Imagine if we handled everything like that.

There would be no cars, no alcohol, no cell phones, no boats, no trucks, no steak knives, no baseball bats.

No commercial airplanes...

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

All I know is,......

If you allow, by ANY means, the party of transgender power and the global projection of weakness to take your GUNS......
Make sure to snip off those tiny peas you call your ballz and hand them over to them at the same time cause you certainly didn't need em.

 

[Missourian]

Really, you are so scared you need to carry a gun going to a movie theater, a supermarket or a walk in the park. What a coward you seem to be.

You're so scared of guns that you wouldn't?

What a coward you seem to be.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

My point is the 2nd amendment has been changed to meet the reality of the world and arms throughout history. The vast majority of arms have already been restricted. For the whiners who say we cannot stomp on the rights of the 2nd amendment are too late. Out of necessity the 2nd amendment has been altered throughout history. It needs to be altered again. Not eliminated, altered.

And yet you make absolutely no mention of fixing the horrendous Left wing policies that are the cause of ALL mass shootings.
Every one.

Surprise surprise

 

[ElmerMudd]

Bazookas and rocket launchers are explosive artillery...not arms.

And fully automatic weapons IMO should not be regulated.

Anyone can make a bump stock...there were...and probably still are half a million of them in circulation for 15 years.

One guy couldn't handle the responsibility.

Imagine if we handled everything like that.

There would be no cars, no alcohol, no cell phones, no boats, no trucks, no steak knives, no baseball bats.

No commercial airplanes...

Your stupidity is obvious? What was the purpose of the 2nd Amendment? The purpose was to give the states the ability to stand up to an oppressive federal government. That meant access to all arms available to the federal government. The Constitution has many protections to an overly powerful federal government. The biggest was the separation of powers.

 

[ElmerMudd]

And yet you make absolutely no mention of fixing the horrendous Left wing policies that are the cause of ALL mass shootings.
Every one.

Surprise surprise

What are those policies?

 

[ElmerMudd]

You're so scared of guns that you wouldn't?

What a coward you seem to be.

Cowards are those who depend on guns for their strength, power and protection. Everyone should have a bit of fear on what a gun can do. Respect rather fear is better. Guns are a tool of protection that should be used only in very few circumstances. Those who look at guns to be their protection every day are fricking idiots.
Guns for hunting and target shooting are different.

 

[Natural Citizen]

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Cowards are those who depend on guns for their strength, power and protection. Everyone should have a bit of fear on what a gun can do. Respect rather fear is better. Guns are a tool of protection that should be used only in very few circumstances. Those who look at guns to be their protection every day are fricking idiots.
Guns for hunting and target shooting are different.

Yeah!!! And fences don't work either.

*****SARCASTIC CHUCKLE*****