The Rise of Unions

[odanny]

Yep. You would like it for the Uber wealthy only. Understood.

I think you misunderstood.

 

[presonorek]

So you would like americans doing those same jobs for the same wages Chinese workers do them for? Just clarifying.

It’s probably just cheaper to move the operation to China. I want every single person in the world for make $2,000,000.00 per year. Why does what I want matter?

 

[Synthaholic]

 

[Captain Caveman]

In the UK, there's a book called, "How Thatcher Smashed the Union's". Some 50% of the workforce were in unions, within 10 years, unions lost half of their members.

Now we're blighted by unions again, rail and the NHS are suffering yet again, triumphed by the Labour Party and it's members.

Tommy Tainant

 

[Polishprince]

The real question with the "Big 3" strike is what do other automakers pay to their assembly line people? There is no reason why the people at the Big 3 should get more than Toyota or Hyundai. It isn't like their work is any better.

If these people think its a great idea to pay union dues and initiation fees, and fund the wise guys who run Big Labor, its a free country, they can do it. But if they think that these goombas are going to be able to muscle the studio bosses, I really don't think they'll be able to.

 

[Mr Natural]

In the UK, there's a book called, "How Thatcher Smashed the Union's". Some 50% of the workforce were in unions, within 10 years, unions lost half of their members.

Now we're blighted by unions again, rail and the NHS are suffering yet again, triumphed by the Labour Party and it's members.

Tommy Tainant

Don’t treat your workers like shit and they won’t want to join unions.

Duh!

 

[Captain Caveman]

Don’t treat your workers like shit and they won’t want to join unions.

Duh!

Do you have a link that clarifies how many workers are treated like shit, or are you just sharing guesses?

How are highly paid postal workers, doctors, nurses, railway staff etc.. treated like shit?

Duh

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Do you have a link that clarifies how many workers are treated like shit, or are you just sharing guesses?

How are highly paid postal workers, doctors, nurses, railway staff etc.. treated like shit?

Duh

Their employers are tory *****. Tories dont use public services so they dont give a shit.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Their employers are tory *****. Tories dont use public services so they dont give a shit.

Good ole little Corbynite aren't ya, lol. Always full of baseless clichés.

 

[initforme]

Workers are going to organize in amazing numbers. Good for them this will help industry.

 

[Papageorgio]

Which unions do you belong to?

 

[Papageorgio]

Workers are going to organize in amazing numbers. Good for them this will help industry.

Which unions do youbelong to?

 

[initforme]

I don't belong but some of my kids do. The nation doesn't owe a workforce to any companies.

 

[Polishprince]

Workers are going to organize in amazing numbers. Good for them this will help industry.

I don't think so.

Back in the 1980's, I worked briefly for a grocery store stocking shelves when I needed money, and the place was unionized.

At that point in time, I was in UFCW and my Union Negotiated wages were the princely sum of $3.50/hr, exactly 15 cents more than the legal minimum.

When I quit the job, I made more at a local Scab employer, even though the gross wage was less.

Unions do provide good jobs for business agents and organizers, but they are a no-go for the workers.

 

[sealybobo]

Unions have been on the rise for a while now but have been super-charged in the Age of Biden, who is the most pro-union president perhaps in history. Now, the VFX workers are unionizing at Marvel Studios.

Marvel VFX Workers Unanimously Vote to Unionize With IATSE​

In a historic move, Marvel Studios’ visual effects workers unanimously voted in favor of unionizing with the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE) in an election held by the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), the company announced Wednesday.

This marks the first time a unit of solely VFX workers has unionized with IATSE.

The Marvel Studios workers initially filed for the election on Aug. 7, and votes were cast and collected between Aug. 21 and Sept. 11. During the count on Sept. 12, all votes were in favor of unionizing with IATSE and zero were against.




“Today, VFX workers at Marvel Studios spoke with a unanimous, collective voice, demanding fair pay for the hours they work, healthcare, a safe and sustainable working environment, and respect for the work they do,” Mark Patch, VFX organizer for IATSE, said in a statement. “There could be no stronger statement highlighting the overwhelming need for us to continue our work and bring union protections and standards to all VFX workers across the industry. And there could be no stronger example of the courage and solidarity of these workers than each and every one of them declaring ‘union YES!'”



The vote comes at a time when Marvel movies, like this year’s lukewarm “Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania,” and other special effects-heavy blockbusters, like “Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse,” have been under fire for the large workload and tight deadlines placed on VFX teams.

So far, Marvel Studios is the only in-house VFX team unionized with IATSE, but Walt Disney Pictures VFX staffers recently moved to unionize in late August.

“This is historic and I’m glad to be part of it,” Thomas Barnard, VFX coordinator at Marvel, said in a statement. “Not only will this radically change the game by increasing the quality of storytelling through our work, it’s also a huge step forward for taking care of the unsung individuals who helped to build the industry.”

The next step for the union is to engage in collective bargaining negotiations with Marvel Studios execs in order to draft a contract that addresses the workers’ needs. As of now, negotiation dates have yet to be scheduled.

The unionization vote comes amid the ongoing WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes, as the guilds continue to seek fair contracts with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers.

The year of Unions continue

Health Care Workers Picket Outside U.S. Hospitals In Multiple States

Picketing has begun at Kaiser Permanente hospitals as some 75,000 workers who say understaffing is hurting patient care go on strike.

www.huffpost.com

I found this very interesting

28,192 employees received $4 billion in compensation, which equates to an average compensation of about $140,000. However, only 11,895 employees received more than $100,000 in compensation with the 69 most highly compensated employees reported to be:

• $17,268,060: Gregory Adams, Chairman and CEO
• $ 6,674,960: Richard Daniels, EVP, Chief Information Officer
• $ 5,580,333: Janet Liang, Regional President, Northern CA
• $ 5,086,656: Kathryn Lancaster, EVP and CFO
• $ 4,886,355: Arthur Southam, EVP, Health Plan Operations
• $ 4,643,773: Julie Miller-Phipps, Region President, Southern CA
• $ 4,300,195: Kimberly Horn, EVP, Group President, MOC
• $ 3,117,144: Mark Zealman, SVP, General Counsel and Secretary
• $ 2,882,881: Anthony Barrueta, SVP, Government Relations
• $ 2,557,223: Chuck Bevilacqua, SVP, Health Plan Service and Admin
• $ 2,360,352: Wade Overgaard, SVP, Health Plan Ops – CA
• $ 2,337,223: Michael Rowe, SVP, Chief Business Development and Strategy Executive
• $ 2,009,791: George Disalvo, SVP, CFO Southern CA
• $ 2,040,901: Christian Meisner, SVP, Chief HR Officer
• $ 2,011,912: Arlene Peasnell, SVP, HR and Labor Relations
• $ 1,929,722: Paul Swenson, EVP, Chief Admin Officer
• $ 1,892,780: Thomas Meier, SVP, Corporate Treasurer
• $ 1,755,834: Laurel Junk, SVP, Enterprise Shared Services
• $ 1,748,080: Thomas Henenburg, Interim Regional President – NCA
• $ 1,747,910: Roland Lyon, SVP, National Del System Strategy
• $ 1,716,511: Jodie Lesh, SVP, Transformation Innovation
• $ 1,650,000: Ronald Vance, Interim Regional President, HI
• $ 1,639,981: Barbara Choucair, SVP, Chief Health Officer
• $ 1,626,427: Chandrika Bhalla, SVP, CFO – NCAL
• $ 1,588,985: Yazdı Bagli, EVP, Enterprise Business Services
• $ 1,547,147: James Simpson, Region President, GA
• $ 1,507,754: Toby Douglas, SVP, National Medicaid Programs
• $ 1,485,826: William Caswell, SVP, Operations
• $ 1,439,033: Vanessa Benavides, SVP, Chief Compliance and Privacy Officer
• $ 1,407,902: Alfonse Upshaw, SVP, Corporate Controller, CAO
• $ 1,396,349: Christine Robisch, SVP, Operations – Opt Strategy and Implementation
• $ 1,394,044: Mick Diede, SVP, Chief Actuary
• $ 1,374,496: Diane Comer, EVP, Chief Info and Tech Officer
• $ 1,309,093: Thomas Curtin Jr, SVP, National Sales and Account Management
• $ 1,304,370: Christine Paige, SVP, Marketing and Internet Services
• $ 1,277,239: Greg Christian, Regional President – HI
• $ 1,263,851: Donald Orndoff, SVP, NFS
• $ 1,231,601: Patrick Courneya, EVP, Chief Medical Officer
• $ 1,171,949: Amarylis Gutierrez, SVP, Chief Pharmacy Officer
• $ 1,019,069: John Yamamoto, Assistant Secretary
• $ 990,128: Charles Columbus, SVP, Chief HR Officer
• $ 948,165: Catherine Tirey, SVP, Chief Communications Officer
• $ 896,309: Kathryn Beiser, SVP, Chief Communications Officer
• $ 882,953: Philip Young Jr, Assistant Secretary
• $ 717,405: Matthew Weber, Assistant Secretary
• $ 710,326: Hong-Sze Yu, VP, Board and Corporate Gov, and Asst Secretary
• $ 692,291: Tami Lamp, SVP, Chief HR Officer
• $ 687,034: Ryan Jenson, Interim Corp Controller and CAO
• $ 619,653: Carrie Plietz, Regional President, NCAL
• $ 612,278: Kristin Bear, Assistant Secretary
• $ 536,050: Frank Richardson, Assistant Secretary, HI
• $ 513,119: David Underriner, Region President – HI
• $ 432,994: Bernice Gould, Assistant Secretary
• $ 385,885: Rochelle Roth, Assistant Secretary
• $ 308,992: Judith A Johansen, Director
• $ 306,712: Margaret Porfido, Director
• $ 304,786: Andrew Bindman, EVP, Chief Medical Officer
• $ 284,576: Cynthia A Telles, Director
• $ 283,580: Leslie S Heisz, Director
• $ 280,668: David F Hoffmeister, Director
• $ 271,719: Gerald McCall, SVP, Operations
• $ 263,561: Jeffrey E Epstein, Director
• $ 262,514: Maryann Bodayle, Secretary
• $ 258,538: Ramon F Baez, Director
• $ 252,593: Richard P Shannon, Director
• $ 247,617: A Eugene Washington, Director
• $ 240,903: Regina M Benjamin, Director
• $ 234,678: David J Barger, Director
• $ 223,000: Matthew T Ryan, Director

As illustrated above, the 69 most highly compensated employees received $129 million in compensation. 42 of the 69 (61%) of the most highly compensated employees are male while 27 (39%) are female. 6 of the 10 most highly compensated employees are male while 4 are female.

6 of the most highly compensated employees received $120 million in compensation over the past 4 years:

 

[sealybobo]

the Chinese are so thankful to Biden and the unions who have sent them millions of american jobs

I remember in the 2000's Republicans blamed the union workers. They asked for too much they said. Never once have I ever heard a Republican say the people at the top get too much, or how their pay causes the price of the product to go up.

28,192 employees received $4 billion in compensation, which equates to an average compensation of about $140,000. However, only 11,895 employees received more than $100,000 in compensation with the 69 most highly compensated employees reported to be:

• $17,268,060: Gregory Adams, Chairman and CEO
• $ 6,674,960: Richard Daniels, EVP, Chief Information Officer
• $ 5,580,333: Janet Liang, Regional President, Northern CA
• $ 5,086,656: Kathryn Lancaster, EVP and CFO
• $ 4,886,355: Arthur Southam, EVP, Health Plan Operations
• $ 4,643,773: Julie Miller-Phipps, Region President, Southern CA
• $ 4,300,195: Kimberly Horn, EVP, Group President, MOC
• $ 3,117,144: Mark Zealman, SVP, General Counsel and Secretary
• $ 2,882,881: Anthony Barrueta, SVP, Government Relations
• $ 2,557,223: Chuck Bevilacqua, SVP, Health Plan Service and Admin
• $ 2,360,352: Wade Overgaard, SVP, Health Plan Ops – CA
• $ 2,337,223: Michael Rowe, SVP, Chief Business Development and Strategy Executive
• $ 2,009,791: George Disalvo, SVP, CFO Southern CA
• $ 2,040,901: Christian Meisner, SVP, Chief HR Officer
• $ 2,011,912: Arlene Peasnell, SVP, HR and Labor Relations
• $ 1,929,722: Paul Swenson, EVP, Chief Admin Officer
• $ 1,892,780: Thomas Meier, SVP, Corporate Treasurer
• $ 1,755,834: Laurel Junk, SVP, Enterprise Shared Services
• $ 1,748,080: Thomas Henenburg, Interim Regional President – NCA
• $ 1,747,910: Roland Lyon, SVP, National Del System Strategy
• $ 1,716,511: Jodie Lesh, SVP, Transformation Innovation
• $ 1,650,000: Ronald Vance, Interim Regional President, HI
• $ 1,639,981: Barbara Choucair, SVP, Chief Health Officer
• $ 1,626,427: Chandrika Bhalla, SVP, CFO – NCAL
• $ 1,588,985: Yazdı Bagli, EVP, Enterprise Business Services
• $ 1,547,147: James Simpson, Region President, GA
• $ 1,507,754: Toby Douglas, SVP, National Medicaid Programs
• $ 1,485,826: William Caswell, SVP, Operations
• $ 1,439,033: Vanessa Benavides, SVP, Chief Compliance and Privacy Officer
• $ 1,407,902: Alfonse Upshaw, SVP, Corporate Controller, CAO
• $ 1,396,349: Christine Robisch, SVP, Operations – Opt Strategy and Implementation
• $ 1,394,044: Mick Diede, SVP, Chief Actuary
• $ 1,374,496: Diane Comer, EVP, Chief Info and Tech Officer
• $ 1,309,093: Thomas Curtin Jr, SVP, National Sales and Account Management
• $ 1,304,370: Christine Paige, SVP, Marketing and Internet Services
• $ 1,277,239: Greg Christian, Regional President – HI
• $ 1,263,851: Donald Orndoff, SVP, NFS
• $ 1,231,601: Patrick Courneya, EVP, Chief Medical Officer
• $ 1,171,949: Amarylis Gutierrez, SVP, Chief Pharmacy Officer
• $ 1,019,069: John Yamamoto, Assistant Secretary
• $ 990,128: Charles Columbus, SVP, Chief HR Officer
• $ 948,165: Catherine Tirey, SVP, Chief Communications Officer
• $ 896,309: Kathryn Beiser, SVP, Chief Communications Officer
• $ 882,953: Philip Young Jr, Assistant Secretary
• $ 717,405: Matthew Weber, Assistant Secretary
• $ 710,326: Hong-Sze Yu, VP, Board and Corporate Gov, and Asst Secretary
• $ 692,291: Tami Lamp, SVP, Chief HR Officer
• $ 687,034: Ryan Jenson, Interim Corp Controller and CAO
• $ 619,653: Carrie Plietz, Regional President, NCAL
• $ 612,278: Kristin Bear, Assistant Secretary
• $ 536,050: Frank Richardson, Assistant Secretary, HI
• $ 513,119: David Underriner, Region President – HI
• $ 432,994: Bernice Gould, Assistant Secretary
• $ 385,885: Rochelle Roth, Assistant Secretary
• $ 308,992: Judith A Johansen, Director
• $ 306,712: Margaret Porfido, Director
• $ 304,786: Andrew Bindman, EVP, Chief Medical Officer
• $ 284,576: Cynthia A Telles, Director
• $ 283,580: Leslie S Heisz, Director
• $ 280,668: David F Hoffmeister, Director
• $ 271,719: Gerald McCall, SVP, Operations
• $ 263,561: Jeffrey E Epstein, Director
• $ 262,514: Maryann Bodayle, Secretary
• $ 258,538: Ramon F Baez, Director
• $ 252,593: Richard P Shannon, Director
• $ 247,617: A Eugene Washington, Director
• $ 240,903: Regina M Benjamin, Director
• $ 234,678: David J Barger, Director
• $ 223,000: Matthew T Ryan, Director

As illustrated above, the 69 most highly compensated employees received $129 million in compensation.

 

[initforme]

The year of Unions continue

Health Care Workers Picket Outside U.S. Hospitals In Multiple States

Picketing has begun at Kaiser Permanente hospitals as some 75,000 workers who say understaffing is hurting patient care go on strike.

www.huffpost.com

I found this very interesting

28,192 employees received $4 billion in compensation, which equates to an average compensation of about $140,000. However, only 11,895 employees received more than $100,000 in compensation with the 69 most highly compensated employees reported to be:

• $17,268,060: Gregory Adams, Chairman and CEO
• $ 6,674,960: Richard Daniels, EVP, Chief Information Officer
• $ 5,580,333: Janet Liang, Regional President, Northern CA
• $ 5,086,656: Kathryn Lancaster, EVP and CFO
• $ 4,886,355: Arthur Southam, EVP, Health Plan Operations
• $ 4,643,773: Julie Miller-Phipps, Region President, Southern CA
• $ 4,300,195: Kimberly Horn, EVP, Group President, MOC
• $ 3,117,144: Mark Zealman, SVP, General Counsel and Secretary
• $ 2,882,881: Anthony Barrueta, SVP, Government Relations
• $ 2,557,223: Chuck Bevilacqua, SVP, Health Plan Service and Admin
• $ 2,360,352: Wade Overgaard, SVP, Health Plan Ops – CA
• $ 2,337,223: Michael Rowe, SVP, Chief Business Development and Strategy Executive
• $ 2,009,791: George Disalvo, SVP, CFO Southern CA
• $ 2,040,901: Christian Meisner, SVP, Chief HR Officer
• $ 2,011,912: Arlene Peasnell, SVP, HR and Labor Relations
• $ 1,929,722: Paul Swenson, EVP, Chief Admin Officer
• $ 1,892,780: Thomas Meier, SVP, Corporate Treasurer
• $ 1,755,834: Laurel Junk, SVP, Enterprise Shared Services
• $ 1,748,080: Thomas Henenburg, Interim Regional President – NCA
• $ 1,747,910: Roland Lyon, SVP, National Del System Strategy
• $ 1,716,511: Jodie Lesh, SVP, Transformation Innovation
• $ 1,650,000: Ronald Vance, Interim Regional President, HI
• $ 1,639,981: Barbara Choucair, SVP, Chief Health Officer
• $ 1,626,427: Chandrika Bhalla, SVP, CFO – NCAL
• $ 1,588,985: Yazdı Bagli, EVP, Enterprise Business Services
• $ 1,547,147: James Simpson, Region President, GA
• $ 1,507,754: Toby Douglas, SVP, National Medicaid Programs
• $ 1,485,826: William Caswell, SVP, Operations
• $ 1,439,033: Vanessa Benavides, SVP, Chief Compliance and Privacy Officer
• $ 1,407,902: Alfonse Upshaw, SVP, Corporate Controller, CAO
• $ 1,396,349: Christine Robisch, SVP, Operations – Opt Strategy and Implementation
• $ 1,394,044: Mick Diede, SVP, Chief Actuary
• $ 1,374,496: Diane Comer, EVP, Chief Info and Tech Officer
• $ 1,309,093: Thomas Curtin Jr, SVP, National Sales and Account Management
• $ 1,304,370: Christine Paige, SVP, Marketing and Internet Services
• $ 1,277,239: Greg Christian, Regional President – HI
• $ 1,263,851: Donald Orndoff, SVP, NFS
• $ 1,231,601: Patrick Courneya, EVP, Chief Medical Officer
• $ 1,171,949: Amarylis Gutierrez, SVP, Chief Pharmacy Officer
• $ 1,019,069: John Yamamoto, Assistant Secretary
• $ 990,128: Charles Columbus, SVP, Chief HR Officer
• $ 948,165: Catherine Tirey, SVP, Chief Communications Officer
• $ 896,309: Kathryn Beiser, SVP, Chief Communications Officer
• $ 882,953: Philip Young Jr, Assistant Secretary
• $ 717,405: Matthew Weber, Assistant Secretary
• $ 710,326: Hong-Sze Yu, VP, Board and Corporate Gov, and Asst Secretary
• $ 692,291: Tami Lamp, SVP, Chief HR Officer
• $ 687,034: Ryan Jenson, Interim Corp Controller and CAO
• $ 619,653: Carrie Plietz, Regional President, NCAL
• $ 612,278: Kristin Bear, Assistant Secretary
• $ 536,050: Frank Richardson, Assistant Secretary, HI
• $ 513,119: David Underriner, Region President – HI
• $ 432,994: Bernice Gould, Assistant Secretary
• $ 385,885: Rochelle Roth, Assistant Secretary
• $ 308,992: Judith A Johansen, Director
• $ 306,712: Margaret Porfido, Director
• $ 304,786: Andrew Bindman, EVP, Chief Medical Officer
• $ 284,576: Cynthia A Telles, Director
• $ 283,580: Leslie S Heisz, Director
• $ 280,668: David F Hoffmeister, Director
• $ 271,719: Gerald McCall, SVP, Operations
• $ 263,561: Jeffrey E Epstein, Director
• $ 262,514: Maryann Bodayle, Secretary
• $ 258,538: Ramon F Baez, Director
• $ 252,593: Richard P Shannon, Director
• $ 247,617: A Eugene Washington, Director
• $ 240,903: Regina M Benjamin, Director
• $ 234,678: David J Barger, Director
• $ 223,000: Matthew T Ryan, Director

As illustrated above, the 69 most highly compensated employees received $129 million in compensation. 42 of the 69 (61%) of the most highly compensated employees are male while 27 (39%) are female. 6 of the 10 most highly compensated employees are male while 4 are female.

6 of the most highly compensated employees received $120 million in compensation over the past 4 years:

What did the actual people who do work get?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Let’s say a company needs 8,620 workers for 40 hours a week. You can hire 2,500 people at $52,000 a year or 8,620 American people at $15,080 a year. That leaves 6,120 Americans unemployed. The company can get the remaining 6,120 employees from China at a lower rate of pay even though the company prefers hiring Americans.

I guess teachers were right. Nobody uses Algebra after high school. Well. I do. Unions destroy the lives of more people than they help. It’s basic Algebra.

Is it better to have high wages and a 71% unemployment rate or lower wages and a 0% unemployment rate? It’s hard to say. Do you care about humanity or do you care about better pay. By the way, there has never been a human in all of world history that was paid enough. Humans have an insatiable appetite for more. You can’t satisfy them.

When unions organize the best thing to do is close operations for 5 years and pay nobody until they can come to an agreement. During that 5 years just set up temporary operation in China to give American unions five years to come up with a fair agreement.

My question is simple. Why do you want less Americans working and more Chinese people working? Weird but I am sure you have an answer that makes sense.

If you have people who are higher paid, they're more likely to spend money, when they spend money you need people to sell them the stuff, this creates jobs, then you need people to create the stuff they are buying, people to get the resources, people to ship the goods etc etc. I guess nobody did logical thinking

 

[Polishprince]

If you have people who are higher paid, they're more likely to spend money, when they spend money you need people to sell them the stuff, this creates jobs, then you need people to create the stuff they are buying, people to get the resources, people to ship the goods etc etc. I guess nobody did logical thinking

Actually, well off people are more likely to save their money instead of spending it, unlike low waged individuals.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Actually, well off people are more likely to save their money instead of spending it, unlike low waged individuals.

Yeah, it doesn't matter.

If we go back to subsistence farming, we see people who have no spare anything. What they had that was spare usually went to the lord who lived it large. Nothing changed for a long time.

Then we industrialized.

This is industrialization where machinery was taking the jobs of the people. You had more modern farming technology. But we realized that we didn't need people farming.

List of countries by employment in agriculture - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The US has 1.7% of workers in farming. Technology didn't destroy their jobs, it created other jobs AND made people wealthier.

With this wealth people bought stuff, we know this, we can track the rise of consumerism from the ability of people to get away from farming.

Rich people do save money, to a certain degree. But we're not talking about rich people.

The example given was 2,500 people at $52,000 a year or 8,620 workers at $15,080 a year.

A person with $52,000 a year in their pocket might save some of this money. But they're going to spend a lot of this, because it isn't that much. They'll buy a car, they'll buy a home, they'll buy gadgets and things. They might save a few thousand.

The people who have $15,000 will probably spend all their money, but on what? On food, on basic essentials.

Now, you can't assume that only hiring the 2,500 will mean the others won't get jobs. Most will. Because a company doesn't work in isolation. You create an environment of people with jobs and spending.

We know this exists because we have, unfortunately, boom and bust. We see people spending in the boom years and the economy grows and grows. Why? We see people stopping spending and the economy goes into freefall. Why?