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Fascism is dead forever I guess.
In my opinion Donald Trump and the European right wing movements have nothing to do with Fascism.
People that vote for them are just sick and tired of the social and economic situation in their countries
Suck it up buttercup. See, that fits on a bumper sticker.It's really quite simple....you best start running to the right...Fascism is loosely defined as a form of extreme “authoritarian nationalism” identified with Italy’s Mussolini. It’s principle attributes were an aggressive nationalism, a militarized society, a populist charismatic leader and prolific promises to cure every political and economic ill. It was particularly appealing to an economically depressed post-war society that had seen its way of life and culture turned upside down. Fascism promised action, not diplomacy, not nuance, even if it could not in reality deliver on those promises.
Mussolini was the “anti-establishment outsider” who became the voice of all those disillusioned with the government, the democratic process, and the economy. His rhetoric attracted the unemployed, the economically disenfranchised, veterans, and nationalists. In 1922, when Italy’s king called on Mussolini to form a government he had no idea what that entailed other than fulfilling a personal ambition for power.
In 1938, fascism took on distinctly racist/anti-semitic overtones when it began to collaborate with the Nazi’s. Italy passed it’s “Italian Racial Laws”. These laws codified what had previously been a campaign conducted in the media with the publication of the “Manifesto of Race” Manifesto of Race - Wikipedia This manifesto declared Italians to be of a superior race, and targeted other races as “inferior” - notably Jews and immigrants from Italy’s colonies. They were banned from marrying Italians, and from positions in banking, education, government and their property was confiscated.
Fascism, extreme nationalism and ideas of racial, ethnic, cultural or religious superiority are closely entertwined. Almost every country that has seen a rise in populist movements, such as fascism, has also seen a rise in anti-immigrant sentiment, legislation targeting specific racial, ethnic or religious groups and a rise in “justified” violence or special restrictions aimed at those groups.
World War 2 saw increased nationalistic fervor after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. American citizens of Japanese were first required to register. Then, their assets were frozen. Then they were ordered to “assembly points” and interned. Their property was confiscated. American citizens of Italian and German descent joined them. Is it so impossible for people to conceive of the fact that American citizens regardless of their ancestry are Americans first? Apparently it is.
We want to say “that was then, this is now”. That today is somehow different. But is it?
Look at the rise of populist rightwing movements across Europe and with the recent election of Donald Trump.
Geert Wilders, recently in the news again and with a very real chance of winning a government now with a coalition. What is the platform for his Party for Freedom?
They include the predictable anti-immigrant/Islam rhetoric, including completely banning an entire religion, closing all mosques and banning the Koran, the withdrawal of all residence permits granted to asylum seekers, and some rather obscurely defined planks such as:
Ban of overall Muslim expressions that are against the public order (defined how?)
Preventive incarceration of radical Muslims (determined how?).
They also include populist promisies that likely can't be delivered upon:
The Netherlands will reclaim its independence. Therefore, we leave the EU.
Direct democracy: binding referendums, citizens have the power.
Deductible/excess in healthcare insurance is eliminated
Rents to be lowered
No more money for foreign aid, windmills, art, innovation, public broadcasters, etc.
Plenty extra funds for defense and police
Lower income taxes
50% reduction for vehicle ownership taxes
Donald Trump campaigned on deporting immigrants and halting immigration, registries for Muslims, border security, tax cuts, bringing jobs back and increased defense. Supporters don’t rule out internment camps and banning entire religions. Mussolini attacked the leftwing media and attempted to close them down, a few managed to continue to operate under difficult conditions. We've heard Trump rail about the media and we've heard him propose legislation against them and creating his own media service.
I think these are truly dangerous times for civil liberties and freedoms throughout the western world.
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While that will fit on a bumper sticker, and look real pretty, I'm afraid most historians don't agree with your revisionism. Someday, you guys will have to put on your big girl panties and own your extremists. Hell, we got the socialists and commies covered. You've got the fascists and nazi's. And now we are seeing the rise of fascism. Communism is largely a failed ideology.
No, not at all.You are comparing 2016-2017 America to 1920s Italy. How is it NOT fallacious?
Ignorant people start screaming a totalitarian name for no reason other than they don't like what people are saying.
Trump cant do the things M did. He just fucking cant. He passed a law that made him head of government. THINK
"that guy is against globalism and wants his fellow countrymen safe. He is a NAZI!!!"
Do you have any idea how that sounds?
I'm pointing out similarities. I agree - Trump can't do what Mussolini did. Not sure about European far right movements in their respective countries though. There ARE however similarities in rhetoric and platform (the promises he made). We have more protections, but those protections did not stop us from registering, confiscating the property of and interning American citizens of certain ancestry did it? Could it happen again? What do you think?
Should an Islamic nuclear device be detonated in the US, you can take it to the bank it will happen again.
What if it's a rightwing extremist nuclear device?
Then, by definition, they deserve the same treatment. A threat to national security is a threat be it foreign or domestic.
That assumes then that all American citizens - by virtue of their race/ethnic background/religion are pre-judged guilty.
Fascism is dead forever I guess.
In my opinion Donald Trump and the European right wing movements have nothing to do with Fascism.
People that vote for them are just sick and tired of the social and economic situation in their countries
No, not at all.I'm pointing out similarities. I agree - Trump can't do what Mussolini did. Not sure about European far right movements in their respective countries though. There ARE however similarities in rhetoric and platform (the promises he made). We have more protections, but those protections did not stop us from registering, confiscating the property of and interning American citizens of certain ancestry did it? Could it happen again? What do you think?
Should an Islamic nuclear device be detonated in the US, you can take it to the bank it will happen again.
What if it's a rightwing extremist nuclear device?
Then, by definition, they deserve the same treatment. A threat to national security is a threat be it foreign or domestic.
That assumes then that all American citizens - by virtue of their race/ethnic background/religion are pre-judged guilty.
Totalitarianism is Strictly Left.
Freedom is to the right.
stripping civil rights from citizens? Please elaborateFascism is dead forever I guess.
In my opinion Donald Trump and the European right wing movements have nothing to do with Fascism.
People that vote for them are just sick and tired of the social and economic situation in their countries
People that vote for them are the same people that call for banning an entire religion, stripping civil rights and freedoms from citizens and creating registries and interning citizens. They're the people that want to deport illegal immigrants who were brought here as children, grew up here, and have done nothing wrong.
Fascism is dead forever I guess.
In my opinion Donald Trump and the European right wing movements have nothing to do with Fascism.
People that vote for them are just sick and tired of the social and economic situation in their countries
People that vote for them are the same people that call for banning an entire religion, stripping civil rights and freedoms from citizens and creating registries and interning citizens. They're the people that want to deport illegal immigrants who were brought here as children, grew up here, and have done nothing wrong.
You mean criminal illegal aliens? Breaking laws has consequences, it's the foundation of our liberty....fascists want to ignore Liberty and insert their socialist liberal,tyranny in its place....Fascism is dead forever I guess.
In my opinion Donald Trump and the European right wing movements have nothing to do with Fascism.
People that vote for them are just sick and tired of the social and economic situation in their countries
People that vote for them are the same people that call for banning an entire religion, stripping civil rights and freedoms from citizens and creating registries and interning citizens. They're the people that want to deport illegal immigrants who were brought here as children, grew up here, and have done nothing wrong.
He has one of the most right wing cabinets in history.Part of the rise in conservative thought in the US is a direct result of government. America has had enough of the leftward tilt. The rats brought this upon themselves. They awoke the sleeping giant of middle America and galvanized it...against them.
I don't think it's the "leftward tilt"...because when you come right down to it, Trump isn't completely rightwing. He's populist. He supports big tax cuts (rightwing) but yet he is interventionist on trade and business' - distinctly not rightwing.
It was more like "I can DO it and let's change it back".Actually, he was much like Obama - he sold hope and change - anti-establishment/promises of change.,
You mean like gun owners are registered?No, not at all.Should an Islamic nuclear device be detonated in the US, you can take it to the bank it will happen again.
What if it's a rightwing extremist nuclear device?
Then, by definition, they deserve the same treatment. A threat to national security is a threat be it foreign or domestic.
That assumes then that all American citizens - by virtue of their race/ethnic background/religion are pre-judged guilty.
By default it does. The government registers them. Freezes their assets and confiscates their property. Interns them.
What historians is the better question.....fascism is a far left thing, and I can't blame you for being horrified upon realizing what you are after being indoctrinated you're not.....Totalitarianism is Strictly Left.
Freedom is to the right.
Not according to most historians.
An honest historian doesn't see left and right out of context. Right wing in North Korea is not the same as the right wing here.Totalitarianism is Strictly Left.
Freedom is to the right.
Not according to most historians.
You mean like gun owners are registered?No, not at all.What if it's a rightwing extremist nuclear device?
Then, by definition, they deserve the same treatment. A threat to national security is a threat be it foreign or domestic.
That assumes then that all American citizens - by virtue of their race/ethnic background/religion are pre-judged guilty.
By default it does. The government registers them. Freezes their assets and confiscates their property. Interns them.
No he doesn't. I can prove my point. Can you?He has one of the most right wing cabinets in history.Part of the rise in conservative thought in the US is a direct result of government. America has had enough of the leftward tilt. The rats brought this upon themselves. They awoke the sleeping giant of middle America and galvanized it...against them.
I don't think it's the "leftward tilt"...because when you come right down to it, Trump isn't completely rightwing. He's populist. He supports big tax cuts (rightwing) but yet he is interventionist on trade and business' - distinctly not rightwing.
What historians is the better question.....fascism is a far left thing, and I can't blame you for being horrified upon realizing what you are after being indoctrinated you're not.....Totalitarianism is Strictly Left.
Freedom is to the right.
Not according to most historians.
An honest historian doesn't see left and right out of context. Right wing in North Korea is not the same as the right wing here.Totalitarianism is Strictly Left.
Freedom is to the right.
Not according to most historians.
Cars are registered for tax purposes. Guns aren't taxed...they are registered to KNOW who owns them.You mean like gun owners are registered?No, not at all.Then, by definition, they deserve the same treatment. A threat to national security is a threat be it foreign or domestic.
That assumes then that all American citizens - by virtue of their race/ethnic background/religion are pre-judged guilty.
By default it does. The government registers them. Freezes their assets and confiscates their property. Interns them.
Guns are tools. Not people. We register cars after all. And we register property.
