The Right To Destroy Jewish History

[surada]

Here's a nice example of an antisemitic article in the Jordanian Assawsana news site. This is not an anomalous opinion, but mainstream, even though articles like this are somewhat more rare than in the past.

See how much the author cares? He only wants what's best for us Jews!

Jordanian news site antisemitic article: "If I were a Jew..."

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

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You should read it again and give it some serious thought. Jewish history is not the only history of the Middle East or the people who live there..

 

[Sixties Fan]

You should read it again and give it some serious thought. Jewish history is not the only history of the Middle East or the people who live there..

You should read history period, and not be led what Islam and Christianity are trying to make out of the history of the region by changing it.

Until you learn whether 10,000 years of Arab presence in Ancient Canaan is true or not, there is no way for you to move on.

As long as you believe that Arab Palestinians are the indigenous people of Ancient Canaan, there is no way for you to move on.

Until you learn that Ashkenazi Jews are indigenous of Ancient Canaan, and not merely "converts" to Judaism, there is no way for you to move on.

And as long as you continue to dismiss all of the other Jews on the planet, aside from the Ashkenazi, as having indigenous rights to what is left of their homeland, 20%, and wanting to give that 20% to the foreign Arabs who invaded the land in the 7th Century and immigrated more so at the end of the 19th century and early 20th century.....mostly due to Jews creating jobs......and then the Arab leaders begging to move there to outnumber the Jews and keep the Mandate for Israel (Palestine) from happening....

there is no way for you to ever move on.

 

[surada]

You should read history period, and not be led what Islam and Christianity are trying to make out of the history of the region by changing it.

Until you learn whether 10,000 years of Arab presence in Ancient Canaan is true or not, there is no way for you to move on.

As long as you believe that Arab Palestinians are the indigenous people of Ancient Canaan, there is no way for you to move on.

Until you learn that Ashkenazi Jews are indigenous of Ancient Canaan, and not merely "converts" to Judaism, there is no way for you to move on.

And as long as you continue to dismiss all of the other Jews on the planet, aside from the Ashkenazi, as having indigenous rights to what is left of their homeland, 20%, and wanting to give that 20% to the foreign Arabs who invaded the land in the 7th Century and immigrated more so at the end of the 19th century and early 20th century.....mostly due to Jews creating jobs......and then the Arab leaders begging to move there to outnumber the Jews and keep the Mandate for Israel (Palestine) from happening....

there is no way for you to ever move on.

I don't care whether the Ashkenazi Jews are originally from Palestine or not. They say they are Jews so they are Jews. Judaism is a religion not a race.

There is no question the Arabs were there for ten thousand years. The Akkadians were Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula.. The Marsh Arabs were from Eastern Saudi Arabia. Sargon 2 settle 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Ezra talked about Arabs in Jerusalem. Joseph was sold to the Ishmaelites by his brothers. Abraham and Moses had Arab wives and Abraham had six sons by Keturah.

Jews were always a minority in Palestine after 70 AD.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I don't care whether the Ashkenazi Jews are originally from Palestine or not. They say they are Jews so they are Jews. Judaism is a religion not a race.

There is no question the Arabs were there for ten thousand years. The Akkadians were Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula.. The Marsh Arabs were from Eastern Saudi Arabia. Sargon 2 settle 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.

Ezra talked about Arabs in Jerusalem. Joseph was sold to the Ishmaelites by his brothers. Abraham and Moses had Arab wives and Abraham had six sons by Keturah.

Jews were always a minority in Palestine after 70 AD.

The Arkkaddians this, and the Arkkadians that. They were not Arabs, and Islam's rewriting of their ethnicity won't change that.

Clearly you have read books written by Muslims, and not by historians, and much less have read the Hebrew Scriptures in Hebrew.

"Joseph was sold to the Ishmaelites by his brothers."


As long you you keep holding on to "history" written by Islam.....only written in the past 100 years.......you will never move on.

 

[surada]

The Arkkaddians this, and the Arkkadians that. They were not Arabs, and Islam's rewriting of their ethnicity won't change that.

Clearly you have read books written by Muslims, and not by historians, and much less have read the Hebrew Scriptures in Hebrew.

"Joseph was sold to the Ishmaelites by his brothers."


As long you you keep holding on to "history" written by Islam.....only written in the past 100 years.......you will never move on.

Of course the Akkadians were Arabs from the Arabian peninsula.. and the Hebrews were probably Canaanites who evolved into monotheists..

 

[Sixties Fan]

Of course the Akkadians were Arabs from the Arabian peninsula.. and the Hebrews were probably Canaanites who evolved into monotheists..

Arabia is a region, with many ethnicities. So is Europe, Asia, and the Americas.

Saying that the Akkadians were Arabs, for simply coming from the Peninsula, if they did, would be the same as calling the Dutch, Germans, Polish, etc only Europeans as if they were not of different ethnicities and cultures.

Or calling all indigenous people of North or south or central America, Indians.

There is no " Of course" when it comes to all the things you have learned from Islamic teachers during your lifetime. Your lifetime happens to coincide with the attempted destruction of the reconstruction of the Nation of Israel, the destruction of 1/3 of the Jewish people, and the continuous attempts to destroy the now Independent State of Israel. Not to speak of the endless attacks on Jews, their homes, Synaguoges, schools and businesses.

Something that was happening before the State of Israel, but has become a war cry amongst those who have been taught and choose to believe that Jews have no right to even the 20 % of their homeland left, after the British gave 78% of it.....just because......to Arabs they wanted to make sure were going to help the British cause.

And let us repeat what British history of the Mandate for Palestine was about:

It was NOT about making sure the Jews would achieve a State, as all the other 3 Mandates went on without issues.

It was to keep the Jews from ever achieving it, the 22% left remaining in British hands. No, fifteen colonies and more are never enough for the British
especially after losing India as they did.


Muslim history of the Jews, of the past 100 years, is not history.

It is an attempt to destroy Israel, and return the Jews to their dependence on the laws and rules of Islam.

 

[surada]

Arabia is a region, with many ethnicities. So is Europe, Asia, and the Americas.

Saying that the Akkadians were Arabs, for simply coming from the Peninsula, if they did, would be the same as calling the Dutch, Germans, Polish, etc only Europeans as if they were not of different ethnicities and cultures.

Or calling all indigenous people of North or south or central America, Indians.

There is no " Of course" when it comes to all the things you have learned from Islamic teachers during your lifetime. Your lifetime happens to coincide with the attempted destruction of the reconstruction of the Nation of Israel, the destruction of 1/3 of the Jewish people, and the continuous attempts to destroy the now Independent State of Israel. Not to speak of the endless attacks on Jews, their homes, Synaguoges, schools and businesses.

Something that was happening before the State of Israel, but has become a war cry amongst those who have been taught and choose to believe that Jews have no right to even the 20 % of their homeland left, after the British gave 78% of it.....just because......to Arabs they wanted to make sure were going to help the British cause.

And let us repeat what British history of the Mandate for Palestine was about:

It was NOT about making sure the Jews would achieve a State, as all the other 3 Mandates went on without issues.

It was to keep the Jews from ever achieving it, the 22% left remaining in British hands. No, fifteen colonies and more are never enough for the British
especially after losing India as they did.


Muslim history of the Jews, of the past 100 years, is not history.

It is an attempt to destroy Israel, and return the Jews to their dependence on the laws and rules of Islam.

See how stupid you are? I have never had an Islamic teacher. Yes, Arabs came from the Arabian Peninsula.. They began migrating in waves over 10,000 years ago as the peninsula became more arid.

 

[Sixties Fan]

See how stupid you are? I have never had an Islamic teacher. Yes, Arabs came from the Arabian Peninsula.. They began migrating in waves over 10,000 years ago as the peninsula became more arid.

And yet, you are still to find ONE archeological evidence OR local history relating those "waves" in this thread, or in the thread I started specifically for the purpose of coming to the truth as to whether Arabs came in "waves" 10,000 years ago, since Abraham, or since the 7th Century CE.


When you do find the evidence, I would love to see it.

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[rylah]

I don't care whether the Ashkenazi Jews are originally from Palestine or not. They say they are Jews so they are Jews. Judaism is a religion not a race.

Except your constant race baiting?
There're no atheist Muslims, no atheist Christians...
so something in your little theory obviously doesn't add up for Jews.

There is no question the Arabs were there for ten thousand years. The Akkadians were Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula.. The Marsh Arabs were from Eastern Saudi Arabia. Sargon 2 settle 4 Arab tribes in Samaria in 700 BC.


Ezra talked about Arabs in Jerusalem. Joseph was sold to the Ishmaelites by his brothers. Abraham and Moses had Arab wives and Abraham had six sons by Keturah.

Jews were always a minority in Palestine after 70 AD.

Even the dinosaurs were Arabs,
everyone knows that.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The main location featured in Fox’s article is Battir.

“These terraces are rock-walled agricultural plots that have grown olives and vegetables since antiquity. Such farm designs, along with the ancient spring-fed irrigation system, secured Battir a place on the Unesco World Heritage List in 2014. This ancient landscape couldn’t be a more perfect home for an initiative, led by Vivien Sansour, that saves Palestinian heirloom seeds and in turn preserves cultural roots.”

As in previous BBC content relating to that location, no mention is made of its Jewish history.

Fox does however manage to shoehorn an irrelevant and context-free reference to ‘occupation’ into her piece:

“Heirloom seeds, which are non-genetically modified and open pollinated, are important for the health of agriculture all over the world. Sansour believes they are especially important for Palestinians who have been living under Israeli occupation of the West Bank since 1967. “With each seed we can achieve more autonomy,” she said.”

Readers are even told (twice, apparently due to editing issues) that the wheat based products they consume are thanks to Sansour’s Palestinian ancestors:

“The land around Battir is part of the Fertile Crescent, along with modern day Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon. From this region, wheat was domesticated; some of the wheat Sansour and her community work with is approximately 10,000 years old, dating back to the beginning of agriculture. “The reason the English eat biscuits and everyone eats bread is because of our ancestors,” said Sansour.”

Once again BBC Travel goes down the all too familiar route of promotion of partial political messaging in commissioned ‘life-style’ articles that potentially reach audiences less familiar with the politics and history of the Middle East.

(full article online)

BBC Travel again promotes political narrative in ‘lifestyle’ article

In the past CAMERA UK has documented several ‘lifestyle’ articles written by freelancers for BBC Travel in which the topic of food was used to promote polit

camera-uk.org

 

[Sixties Fan]

With a misleading question regarding the Tisha B’Av violence, Sahali subsequently introduced commentator Khaled al-Gharabli, (whose counter-factual observations on the Israel-Hamas escalation in May previously found a welcome platform at France 24 Arabic):

Khaled, what is this anniversary, anniversary of the Temple’s destruction, which every year causes clashes and intrusions into the al-Aqsa Mosque plaza? (Emphasis added.)

That was Al-Gharabli’s signal into launch a monologue which surpassed even the excesses of Odeh, who had uncritically adopted false terminology and the Palestinian nationalist narrative. Al-Gharabli, for his part, claimed that there is “no material evidence” of a Jewish Temple on Temple Mount.

Al-Gharabli also falsely claimed that only Jewish “hardline groups” believe that the Temple stood where Temple Mount is, as if this is an unfounded matter of faith of Jewish extremists and not a consensus among Jews, Christians and Muslims for generations, supported by modern archaeology, as a 2015 New York Times correction was infamously compelled to acknowledge.
He further fabricated that Israel’s alleged archeological digs under the compound, supposedly to locate non-existent evidence of the Temples, threaten the buildings’ foundations. While allegations of Israeli digs on the Temple Mount are a mainstay of Muslim anti-Israel incitement, no such excavations have taken place in the past four decades. Meanwhile, Muslim Waqf construction continues uninterrupted.
The commentator used the terms “al-Aqsa,” “al-Aqsa plaza,” “al-Aqsa Mosque” and “the Jerusalem Sanctuary” interchangeably, thereby confounding the mosque itself, which take up a tiny portion of the Temple Mount plaza and is adjacent to the southern wall, with the entire compound.

Al-Gharabli also railed that the Israeli government’s use of the term “Temple Mount” (the same nomenclature Jews have favored for over two millennia) suggests a sinister intention to destroy the Mosque and the Dome of the Rock and replace it with a rebuilt Jewish Temple. Similarly, he implied that the fact that Jews are even allowed to enter the compound is further proof of Israel’s alleged plan to tear down the Mosque.

(full article online)

France 24 Arabic's Deep Descent Into Anti-Israel Bias, Denial of Jewish History

Falsely alleging that 'hardline groups' of Jews 'believe' the Temples stood on the Temple Mount, France 24 Arabic commentator Khaled al-Gharabli ignores the archeological

www.camera.org

 

[surada]

Arabia is a region, with many ethnicities. So is Europe, Asia, and the Americas.

Saying that the Akkadians were Arabs, for simply coming from the Peninsula, if they did, would be the same as calling the Dutch, Germans, Polish, etc only Europeans as if they were not of different ethnicities and cultures.

Or calling all indigenous people of North or south or central America, Indians.

There is no " Of course" when it comes to all the things you have learned from Islamic teachers during your lifetime. Your lifetime happens to coincide with the attempted destruction of the reconstruction of the Nation of Israel, the destruction of 1/3 of the Jewish people, and the continuous attempts to destroy the now Independent State of Israel. Not to speak of the endless attacks on Jews, their homes, Synaguoges, schools and businesses.

Something that was happening before the State of Israel, but has become a war cry amongst those who have been taught and choose to believe that Jews have no right to even the 20 % of their homeland left, after the British gave 78% of it.....just because......to Arabs they wanted to make sure were going to help the British cause.

And let us repeat what British history of the Mandate for Palestine was about:

It was NOT about making sure the Jews would achieve a State, as all the other 3 Mandates went on without issues.

It was to keep the Jews from ever achieving it, the 22% left remaining in British hands. No, fifteen colonies and more are never enough for the British
especially after losing India as they did.


Muslim history of the Jews, of the past 100 years, is not history.

It is an attempt to destroy Israel, and return the Jews to their dependence on the laws and rules of Islam.

LOLOL.. What many ethnicities are you talking about?

 

[surada]

With a misleading question regarding the Tisha B’Av violence, Sahali subsequently introduced commentator Khaled al-Gharabli, (whose counter-factual observations on the Israel-Hamas escalation in May previously found a welcome platform at France 24 Arabic):

That was Al-Gharabli’s signal into launch a monologue which surpassed even the excesses of Odeh, who had uncritically adopted false terminology and the Palestinian nationalist narrative. Al-Gharabli, for his part, claimed that there is “no material evidence” of a Jewish Temple on Temple Mount.

Al-Gharabli also falsely claimed that only Jewish “hardline groups” believe that the Temple stood where Temple Mount is, as if this is an unfounded matter of faith of Jewish extremists and not a consensus among Jews, Christians and Muslims for generations, supported by modern archaeology, as a 2015 New York Times correction was infamously compelled to acknowledge.
He further fabricated that Israel’s alleged archeological digs under the compound, supposedly to locate non-existent evidence of the Temples, threaten the buildings’ foundations. While allegations of Israeli digs on the Temple Mount are a mainstay of Muslim anti-Israel incitement, no such excavations have taken place in the past four decades. Meanwhile, Muslim Waqf construction continues uninterrupted.
The commentator used the terms “al-Aqsa,” “al-Aqsa plaza,” “al-Aqsa Mosque” and “the Jerusalem Sanctuary” interchangeably, thereby confounding the mosque itself, which take up a tiny portion of the Temple Mount plaza and is adjacent to the southern wall, with the entire compound.

Al-Gharabli also railed that the Israeli government’s use of the term “Temple Mount” (the same nomenclature Jews have favored for over two millennia) suggests a sinister intention to destroy the Mosque and the Dome of the Rock and replace it with a rebuilt Jewish Temple. Similarly, he implied that the fact that Jews are even allowed to enter the compound is further proof of Israel’s alleged plan to tear down the Mosque.

(full article online)

France 24 Arabic's Deep Descent Into Anti-Israel Bias, Denial of Jewish History

Falsely alleging that 'hardline groups' of Jews 'believe' the Temples stood on the Temple Mount, France 24 Arabic commentator Khaled al-Gharabli ignores the archeological

www.camera.org

Don't be ridiculous. When Omar arrived in Jerusalem he ASKED where the Jewish Temple had stood.. He was shown the city dump so he cleaned it up, began construction on the mosque and invited the Jews to return to Jerusalem.

 

[Sixties Fan]

( What so many Muslims are led to believe from the time they are born, which turns into incitement to ....... Al Gharabli says it best. )

Khaled al-Gharabli’s full monologue about Temple Mount ‘intruded’ by Jews on Tisha B’Av
“According to Jewish doctrine, the Temple, Solomon’s Temple, where the Ark of the Covenant was found, along with the Tablets, on which the divine Commandments came down to the Jews, this Temple was destroyed twice, according to the Jewish doctrine. Once in 589 [in fact, 586] BC, at the hands of the Babylonians, and the second time was in 70 AD at the hands of the Romans. This is a day of sadness for the Jews, a day of grief, they fast and refrain from anything of comfort, to mark or to indicate their sadness and grief of that day, the day where the Temple was destroyed and the Tables were lost. Of course nowadays it became a [Judaism] cornerstone.
“Now, the question is why on this anniversary do they intrude al-Aqsa Mosque? I mean, these hardline groups, their message is clear, they, as they say, ‘we do not forget that the place of the Temple is the same place where the al-Aqsa Mosque stands.’ To them, the al-Aqsa Mosque stands on the same place where the Temple is. A few faint voices among them say that they want to rebuild the Temple instead of al-Aqsa Mosque. It is possible for us to say, these are hardline groups. And there are the Temple groups which carry out digging operations underneath al-Aqsa Mosque, in search of a proof that the Temple used to be found on this place, because there is no substantial, no material evidence that the place of the Temple is the same place of al-Aqsa Mosque.
“What is worrying with this issue is, I think, if this was the conduct of a few hardliners… what is worrying is the conduct of the Israeli authorities. Firstly, the digging operations are carried out with the Israeli authorities’ consent, which allow them. Why do they allow them, while it threatens al-Aqsa’s remaining in place? And they know full well that al-Aqsa is one of the Islamic faith’s, and Muslims,’ cornerstones. Why does the police allow the intrusions? The police is the one which protects those who carry out the intrusion the Jerusalem sanctuary.
“Why does Netanyahu, even when he had promised that Muslims could enter and perform their religious rituals in al-Aqsa Mosque, he never uses the word ‘al-Aqsa Mosque,’ he uses the word ‘Temple Mount.’ When he speaks about the al-Aqsa Mosque, he says ‘Temple Mount.’ Why does he see the Temple Mount on this place and does not see al-Aqsa while al-Aqsa is the one found [there], and we do not see Temple Mount. Does this mean that he wants to rebuild the Temple in that place? Palestinian voices accuse the Israelis that they want to enforce sovereignty on the Jerusalem Sanctuary as a first step to destroy the al-Aqsa Mosque and subsequently rebuilding the Temple.
And the conduct of Israeli authorities, by the means of allowing the digging, by the means of allowing operations of Judaization, in talking about dividing al-Aqsa plaza in time and space, by using terms like ‘Temple Mount’ regarding al-Aqsa Mosque, all of this strengthens what the Palestinians say, i.e. fears concerning the idea of rebuilding the Temple instead of al-Aqsa. And the gravity of the matter, is that here the conflict shall no longer be a conflict about occupied land and a people suffering from occupation, but rather a conflict between two religions, and religious conflicts are the most bloody.”

• France 24 Arabic's Deep Descent Into Anti-Israel Bias, Denial of Jewish History

 

[Sixties Fan]

Don't be ridiculous. When Omar arrived in Jerusalem he ASKED where the Jewish Temple had stood.. He was shown the city dump so he cleaned it up, began construction on the mosque and invited the Jews to return to Jerusalem.

That was then.....Jews were second citizens to the invading Muslims.

This is now. Jews have gained Sovereignty over 20% of their homeland.

Had they tried it then, they would have faced the same attacks as the Jews today have.

No different from the invading Romans who did not like it one bit when the Judeans declared their freedom with Bar Kochba.
The Romans saw to it that it would not last long.

The Muslims continue to dream that the Jews will have the same ending, and the homeland of the Jews will return to the invaders.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Right To Destroy Jewish History
SUBTOPIC: Direct of the Posting
⁜→ surada, et al,

BLUF: Sometimes we get confused when we star the splitting of hairs. I think this is one of those cases.

Of course the Akkadians were Arabs from the Arabian peninsula.. and the Hebrews were probably Canaanites who evolved into monotheists..

(COMMENT)(LIMITED to MY way of THINKING)

Akkadains are people who spoke the now extinct "East Semitic" language of about 5000 years ago. Today, we are not even sure what the language sounded like, although in print, we have a limited understanding.

This is a bit different from those desert-dwelling pastoral nomads people who spoke Arabic (Arabians) which still exist today. Arabian (people who speak Arabic) still has meaning today.

Akkadians did not evolve from Arabs. They are descriptions of people who spoke a specific language. And today, it makes even less sense to hang a definition on people by language. It is not uncommon, when traveling in the Middle East • North African (MENA) Region who have spoken multiple languages their entire lives. There is a very large percentage of Israelis who speak Hebrew, Arabic, and English in near equal fluency. But they are collectively known as Israelis. Just like Arab-Palestinians who speak multiple languages are something other than Israeli.

Today, a language is no longer a valid means of ethnic or cultural difference.

Deborah (fl. 12th century BC) Prophet and heroine of the Hebrew scriptures. Her story is told in the book of Judges. With her general, Barak, she is credited with defeating the Canaanite armies led by Sisera. The Israelite victory over the Canaanites, which was aided by a thunderstorm that Israel saw as the coming of God from Mount Sinai, was celebrated in the “Song of Deborah” (Judges 5), possibly the earliest portion of the Bible.​

​

And let us not get entangled with ancient "Canaanites." That will lead to arguments that would take an Indiana Jones to break up.

Rewriting history is a political game that Academicians play in dissertations and manuscripts for publication. New ideas and alternatives are right up there with criticisms and fault findings. The only thing worse is Colonels bucking for their first star and journalist working for that big breaking story that will get them a Pulitzer Prize. What really happened, has nothing to do with truth.

Just My Thought,

Most Respectfully,
R

(REFERENCES)

Arab • Any member of the ARABIC-speaking peoples native to the Middle East and North Africa. Before the spread of Islam in the 630s, the term referred to the largely nomadic Semitic peoples of the ARABIAN PENINSULA; it came to apply to Arabic-speaking peoples from Africa’s Mauritanian and Moroccan coasts east to Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula and south to The Sudan after their acceptance of Islam. Traditionally, some Arabs are desert-dwelling pastoral nomads (see BEDOUIN), whereas others live by oases and in small, isolated farming villages. While most Arabs are Muslims, some are Christian. The term has also been used in a political sense by Arab nationalists to describe a greater sociolinguistic or ethnic ideal (“the Arab nation”). See also PAN-ARABISM.
SOURCE: Encyclopædia Britannica © 2006 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. pp. 92

Fertile Crescent Region, MIDDLE EAST • The term describes a crescent-shaped area of arable land, probably more agriculturally productive in antiquity than it is today. Historically the area stretched from the southeastern
coast of the Mediterranean Sea around the Syrian Desert north of the ARABIAN PENINSULA to the PERSIAN GULF; in general, it often includes the NILE RIVER valley as well. Sedentary agricultural settlements in the Fertile Crescent can be dated to c. 8000 BC. It was the scene of the struggles and migrations of some of the earliest known peoples, including Sumerians, Assyrians, Akkadians, various Semitic groups, Babylonians, and Phoenicians.
SOURCE: Encyclopædia Britannica © 2006 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. pp 668

Hebrew language SEMITIC LANGUAGE that is both a sacred language of Judaism and a modern vernacular in Israel. Like ARAMAIC, to which it is closely related, Hebrew has a documented history of nearly 3,000 years. The earliest fully attested stage of the language is Biblical Hebrew: the earlier parts (“Standard Biblical Hebrew”) date before 500 BC and include even older poetic passages; the later parts (“Late Biblical Hebrew”) were composed c. 500–200 BC. Post-Biblical Hebrew, variously termed Rabbinic or Mishnaic Hebrew (see MISHNA), is characterized by an early period when Hebrew was still probably to some degree a vernacular and a later period, after c. AD 200, when Aramaic became the everyday speech of Jews in the Middle East. The 6th and 7th centuries marked a transition to Medieval Hebrew. The resurrection of Hebrew as a vernacular is closely linked with the 18th-century HASKALA movement and 20th-century ZIONISM. Contemporary Israeli Hebrew is spoken by about five million people in Israel and abroad. See also ASHKENAZI; SEPHARDI; HEBREW ALPHABET.
SOURCE: © 2006 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. pp 668

Jew Any person whose religion is JUDAISM. In a wider sense, the term refers to any member of a worldwide ethnic and cultural group descended from the ancient Hebrews who traditionally practiced the Jewish religion. The Hebrew term Yehudi, translated as Judaeus in Latin and Jew in English, originally referred to a member of the tribe of JUDAH. In Jewish tradition, any child born of a Jewish mother is considered a Jew; in REFORM JUDAISM a child is considered a Jew if either parent is Jewish.
SOURCE: Encyclopædia Britannica © 2006 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. pp 854

Mesopotamia • Region between the TIGRIS and EUPHRATES rivers in the Middle East, constituting the greater part of modern Iraq. The region’s location and fertility gave rise to settlements from c. 10,000 BC, and it became the cradle of some of the world’s earliest civilizations and the birthplace of writing. It was first settled by the Sumerians, who were succeeded by the Akkadians and later by the Babylonians. Successive peoples came to dominate the region until the rise of the Persian Achaemenian dynasty in the 6th century BC. The Achaemenids were overthrown by Alexander the Great in the early 4th century BC, and Mesopotamia was ruled by the SELEUCID DYNASTY from c. 312 BC until the mid-2nd century BC, when it became part of the Parthian empire. In the 7th century AD the
region was conquered by Muslim Arabs.
SOURCE: Encyclopædia Britannica © 2006 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. pp 1242

 

[surada]

RE: The Right To Destroy Jewish History
SUBTOPIC: Direct of the Posting
⁜→ surada, et al,

BLUF: Sometimes we get confused when we star the splitting of hairs. I think this is one of those cases.


(COMMENT)(LIMITED to MY way of THINKING)

Akkadains are people who spoke the now extinct "East Semitic" language of about 5000 years ago. Today, we are not even sure what the language sounded like, although in print, we have a limited understanding.

This is a bit different from those desert-dwelling pastoral nomads people who spoke Arabic (Arabians) which still exist today. Arabian (people who speak Arabic) still has meaning today.

Akkadians did not evolve from Arabs. They are descriptions of people who spoke a specific language. And today, it makes even less sense to hang a definition on people by language. It is not uncommon, when traveling in the Middle East • North African (MENA) Region who have spoken multiple languages their entire lives. There is a very large percentage of Israelis who speak Hebrew, Arabic, and English in near equal fluency. But they are collectively known as Israelis. Just like Arab-Palestinians who speak multiple languages are something other than Israeli.

Today, a language is no longer a valid means of ethnic or cultural difference.

Deborah (fl. 12th century BC) Prophet and heroine of the Hebrew scriptures. Her story is told in the book of Judges. With her general, Barak, she is credited with defeating the Canaanite armies led by Sisera. The Israelite victory over the Canaanites, which was aided by a thunderstorm that Israel saw as the coming of God from Mount Sinai, was celebrated in the “Song of Deborah” (Judges 5), possibly the earliest portion of the Bible.​

​

And let us not get entangled with ancient "Canaanites." That will lead to arguments that would take an Indiana Jones to break up.

Rewriting history is a political game that Academicians play in dissertations and manuscripts for publication. New ideas and alternatives are right up there with criticisms and fault findings. The only thing worse is Colonels bucking for their first star and journalist working for that big breaking story that will get them a Pulitzer Prize. What really happened, has nothing to do with truth.

Just My Thought,

Most Respectfully,
R

(REFERENCES)

Arab • Any member of the ARABIC-speaking peoples native to the Middle East and North Africa. Before the spread of Islam in the 630s, the term referred to the largely nomadic Semitic peoples of the ARABIAN PENINSULA; it came to apply to Arabic-speaking peoples from Africa’s Mauritanian and Moroccan coasts east to Iraq and the Arabian Peninsula and south to The Sudan after their acceptance of Islam. Traditionally, some Arabs are desert-dwelling pastoral nomads (see BEDOUIN), whereas others live by oases and in small, isolated farming villages. While most Arabs are Muslims, some are Christian. The term has also been used in a political sense by Arab nationalists to describe a greater sociolinguistic or ethnic ideal (“the Arab nation”). See also PAN-ARABISM.
SOURCE: Encyclopædia Britannica © 2006 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. pp. 92

Fertile Crescent Region, MIDDLE EAST • The term describes a crescent-shaped area of arable land, probably more agriculturally productive in antiquity than it is today. Historically the area stretched from the southeastern
coast of the Mediterranean Sea around the Syrian Desert north of the ARABIAN PENINSULA to the PERSIAN GULF; in general, it often includes the NILE RIVER valley as well. Sedentary agricultural settlements in the Fertile Crescent can be dated to c. 8000 BC. It was the scene of the struggles and migrations of some of the earliest known peoples, including Sumerians, Assyrians, Akkadians, various Semitic groups, Babylonians, and Phoenicians.
SOURCE: Encyclopædia Britannica © 2006 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. pp 668

Hebrew language SEMITIC LANGUAGE that is both a sacred language of Judaism and a modern vernacular in Israel. Like ARAMAIC, to which it is closely related, Hebrew has a documented history of nearly 3,000 years. The earliest fully attested stage of the language is Biblical Hebrew: the earlier parts (“Standard Biblical Hebrew”) date before 500 BC and include even older poetic passages; the later parts (“Late Biblical Hebrew”) were composed c. 500–200 BC. Post-Biblical Hebrew, variously termed Rabbinic or Mishnaic Hebrew (see MISHNA), is characterized by an early period when Hebrew was still probably to some degree a vernacular and a later period, after c. AD 200, when Aramaic became the everyday speech of Jews in the Middle East. The 6th and 7th centuries marked a transition to Medieval Hebrew. The resurrection of Hebrew as a vernacular is closely linked with the 18th-century HASKALA movement and 20th-century ZIONISM. Contemporary Israeli Hebrew is spoken by about five million people in Israel and abroad. See also ASHKENAZI; SEPHARDI; HEBREW ALPHABET.
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Jew Any person whose religion is JUDAISM. In a wider sense, the term refers to any member of a worldwide ethnic and cultural group descended from the ancient Hebrews who traditionally practiced the Jewish religion. The Hebrew term Yehudi, translated as Judaeus in Latin and Jew in English, originally referred to a member of the tribe of JUDAH. In Jewish tradition, any child born of a Jewish mother is considered a Jew; in REFORM JUDAISM a child is considered a Jew if either parent is Jewish.
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Mesopotamia • Region between the TIGRIS and EUPHRATES rivers in the Middle East, constituting the greater part of modern Iraq. The region’s location and fertility gave rise to settlements from c. 10,000 BC, and it became the cradle of some of the world’s earliest civilizations and the birthplace of writing. It was first settled by the Sumerians, who were succeeded by the Akkadians and later by the Babylonians. Successive peoples came to dominate the region until the rise of the Persian Achaemenian dynasty in the 6th century BC. The Achaemenids were overthrown by Alexander the Great in the early 4th century BC, and Mesopotamia was ruled by the SELEUCID DYNASTY from c. 312 BC until the mid-2nd century BC, when it became part of the Parthian empire. In the 7th century AD the
region was conquered by Muslim Arabs.
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The Arabs of the Arabian peninsula spoke several now extinct languages. They were still Arabs.


Akkadian language - Wikipedia

Akkadian language - Wikipedia

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Akkadian is an extinct East Semitic language that was spoken in ancient Mesopotamia (Akkad, Assyria, Isin, Larsa and Babylonia) from the third millennium BC until its gradual replacement by Akkadian-influenced Old Aramaic among Mesopotamians by the 8th century BC. It is the earliest attested Semitic language. It used the cuneiform script, which was originally used to write the unrelated, and als…

Akkadian belongs with the other Semitic languages in the Near Eastern branch of the Afroasiatic languages, a family native to the Middle East, Arabian Peninsula, the Horn of Africa, parts of Anatolia, North Africa, Malta, Canary Islands and parts of West Africa (Hausa). Akkadian and its successor Aramaic, however, are only ever attested in Mesopotamia and the Near East

 

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The Arabs of the Arabian peninsula spoke several now extinct languages. They were still Arabs.


Akkadian language - Wikipedia

Akkadian language - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Akkadian is an extinct East Semitic language that was spoken in ancient Mesopotamia (Akkad, Assyria, Isin, Larsa and Babylonia) from the third millennium BC until its gradual replacement by Akkadian-influenced Old Aramaic among Mesopotamians by the 8th century BC. It is the earliest attested Semitic language. It used the cuneiform script, which was originally used to write the unrelated, and als…

Akkadian belongs with the other Semitic languages in the Near Eastern branch of the Afroasiatic languages, a family native to the Middle East, Arabian Peninsula, the Horn of Africa, parts of Anatolia, North Africa, Malta, Canary Islands and parts of West Africa (Hausa). Akkadian and its successor Aramaic, however, are only ever attested in Mesopotamia and the Near East

It is always amazing when anyone takes something that has nothing to do with the issue, like who the Akkadians were, and generalizes it to the point where one should think that .....yes, that is right!!!!

The Akkadian language has nothing to do with who they were, and they clearly did not speak Arabic. And that language did not evolve into Arabic, either.

There are different people living in Arabia, as there were different people living in Mesopotamia, or in Ancient Canaan, and those people continue to be distinct from each other, regardless of the fact that so many of them have had their identity disappear with time.

Akkadians were not Arabs, and cannot be forced to be.

 

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RE: The Right To Destroy Jewish History
SUBTOPIC: Language
⁜→ surada, et al,

My point exactly. You cannot use language as a defining term.

Today, a language is no longer a valid means of ethnic or cultural difference.

The Arabs of the Arabian peninsula spoke several now extinct languages. They were still Arabs.

(COMMENT)

It is an incidental or supplemental characteristic to a people of a specific ethnic or cultural landscape. In the statement you made, you are using a geographic perimeter (Arabian Peninsula) as the principal defining fact, not language. But in the time before the Great War, the People of the Hajez thought of themselves as descendants from Hashim, great-grandfather of Muhammad.

Over time, the perspectives on these questions can change. The terrain remains the same, but the mind of the people standing on it may dramatically change.


Most Respectfully,
R