The Right To Bear Arms

[danielpalos]

This is classic leftist word parsing:

militia = the people

but

the people =/= militia


The same does not mean the same.


It fails logically.

.

Our Constitution is both gender and race neutral; the People are the Militia.

 

[danielpalos]

This is classic leftist word parsing:
militia = the people
but
the people =/= militia
The same does not mean the same.
It fails logically.
.

It does not matter how many times you explain to them that the militia is a subset of the people -- they choose to not understand.

well regulated militia are a subset of the People.

the People are the Militia. you are Either well regulated or unorganized.

 

[danielpalos]

you need a valid argument not a diversion; floozy.

you need a valid argument not a diversion

you need to find a mirror for that, whore.

it must require morals to resort to the fewest fallacies, floozy.

Guess that makes me more moral than you.

anybody can say anything.

Why should I believe Any Implied interpretation over Any Express declaration?

anybody can say anything.

I go by what was not only written, but inserted into the Bill of Rights.

you can't accept that

There are no individual or singular terms Expressed in our Second Amendment.

 

[danielpalos]

The Constitution is Express not implied


.


Except when it says "the people."


Then, it is implied that "the people" means a collective group, but NOT individuals.

the People is plural and collective.

It means all the people, which means all the people can bear arms, which means it can't apply only to the militia because the militia is not all the people. How much plainer can it be made for you to understand? I know you're impervious to fact and reason, but come on, you carry dogmatic to an extreme.

The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

 

[danielpalos]

anybody can say that. you make no sense. see how Easy that is. only floozies should do it that way.

Bud, you might as well state "The Lord is My Shepard" instead of that.

neither have squat to do with the 2nd.

neither do you.

Our Constitution is Express not Implied.

Where are you getting your Individual natural rights from?

If the Constitution is express, not implied, why do you continue to say the second is implied, not express?

Our Second Amendment is about what is necessary to the security of a free State, not natural rights; it says so in the first clause.

Except that it says Congress can't pass laws infringing on the rights of the people, not of the militia.

The People are the Militia; you are either well regulated or complaining about gun control.

 

[hadit]

The Constitution is Express not implied


.


Except when it says "the people."


Then, it is implied that "the people" means a collective group, but NOT individuals.

the People is plural and collective.

It means all the people, which means all the people can bear arms, which means it can't apply only to the militia because the militia is not all the people. How much plainer can it be made for you to understand? I know you're impervious to fact and reason, but come on, you carry dogmatic to an extreme.

The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

The people's right shall not be infringed, whether they're in the militia or not.

 

[Jitss617]

Maybe not obsolete but antiquated, out of date...

... it needs to be updated to reflect the times...

... and the threat of overkill firepower...

... for the average citizen.

Or you can move out

 

[JGalt]

 

[Jitss617]

America and our laws and culture isn’t for anyone

 

[danielpalos]

The Constitution is Express not implied



Except when it says "the people."


Then, it is implied that "the people" means a collective group, but NOT individuals.

the People is plural and collective.

It means all the people, which means all the people can bear arms, which means it can't apply only to the militia because the militia is not all the people. How much plainer can it be made for you to understand? I know you're impervious to fact and reason, but come on, you carry dogmatic to an extreme.

The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

The people's right shall not be infringed, whether they're in the militia or not.

That cannot be true. Only well regulated militia are declared Necessary to the security of a free State.

The unorganized militia can most definitely be infringed in the keeping and bearing of Arms; as can purely "civilian" Persons of the People.

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
(Source: Illinois Constitution.)

 

[Auld Phart]

This is classic leftist word parsing:

militia = the people

but

the people =/= militia


The same does not mean the same.


It fails logically.

.

Our Constitution is both gender and race neutral; the People are the Militia.

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

 

[Auld Phart]

The Constitution is Express not implied



Except when it says "the people."


Then, it is implied that "the people" means a collective group, but NOT individuals.

the People is plural and collective.

It means all the people, which means all the people can bear arms, which means it can't apply only to the militia because the militia is not all the people. How much plainer can it be made for you to understand? I know you're impervious to fact and reason, but come on, you carry dogmatic to an extreme.

The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

The people's right shall not be infringed, whether they're in the militia or not.

That cannot be true. Only well regulated militia are declared Necessary to the security of a free State.

The unorganized militia can most definitely be infringed in the keeping and bearing of Arms; as can purely "civilian" Persons of the People.

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
(Source: Illinois Constitution.)

and yet another statement that makes no sense

 

[Auld Phart]

The Constitution is Express not implied


.


Except when it says "the people."


Then, it is implied that "the people" means a collective group, but NOT individuals.

the People is plural and collective.

It means all the people, which means all the people can bear arms, which means it can't apply only to the militia because the militia is not all the people. How much plainer can it be made for you to understand? I know you're impervious to fact and reason, but come on, you carry dogmatic to an extreme.

The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

one mans opinion.

what a shame it doesn't fit the dictionary definition

 

[Rigby5]

This is classic leftist word parsing:

militia = the people

but

the people =/= militia


The same does not mean the same.


It fails logically.

.

Our Constitution is both gender and race neutral; the People are the Militia.

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

Nope.
The militia is informal and as needed, so could be anyone or everyone.
Which means that everyone should be considered potential militia.
If nothing goes wrong, it could be no one is needed to do anything.
But under invasion, etc., women and children could have become active members of the militia.
The reason you have to include everyone as the militia is because there were no police back then at all, so everyone had to enforce the law, defend themselves, etc.
And there were lots of threats, like native, Spanish from the south, pirates, gangs, French from north, etc.
So when you talk about who needed to be armed for the militia, that would have to be everyone.
There is no way to know ahead of time who will need those arms.

 

[Auld Phart]

This is classic leftist word parsing:

militia = the people

but

the people =/= militia


The same does not mean the same.


It fails logically.

.

Our Constitution is both gender and race neutral; the People are the Militia.

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

Nope.
The militia is informal and as needed, so could be anyone or everyone.
Which means that everyone should be considered potential militia.
If nothing goes wrong, it could be no one is needed to do anything.
But under invasion, etc., women and children could have become active members of the militia.
The reason you have to include everyone as the militia is because there were no police back then at all, so everyone had to enforce the law, defend themselves, etc.
And there were lots of threats, like native, Spanish from the south, pirates, gangs, French from north, etc.
So when you talk about who needed to be armed for the militia, that would have to be everyone.
There is no way to know ahead of time who will need those arms.

When it was written:

"
Constitution and Bill of Rights (1787–1789)[edit]
The delegates of the Constitutional Convention (the founding fathers/framers of the United States Constitution) under Article 1; section 8, clauses 15 and 16 of the federal constitution, granted Congress the power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia", as well as, and in distinction to, the power to raise an army and a navy. The US Congress is granted the power to use the militia of the United States for three specific missions, as described in Article 1, section 8, clause 15: "To provide for the calling of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." The Militia Act of 1792[26] clarified whom the militia consists of:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act."

Militia (United States) - Wikipedia

NO females, NO males under the age of 18, NO males over the age of 45, with some exceptions.

Same link.

as of 1903: "
Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is primarily used to describe two groups within the United States:

• Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[8] (Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)
• Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

Close to the same age groups, and still no females, and still no infirm.

 

[hadit]

The Constitution is Express not implied



Except when it says "the people."


Then, it is implied that "the people" means a collective group, but NOT individuals.

the People is plural and collective.

It means all the people, which means all the people can bear arms, which means it can't apply only to the militia because the militia is not all the people. How much plainer can it be made for you to understand? I know you're impervious to fact and reason, but come on, you carry dogmatic to an extreme.

The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

The people's right shall not be infringed, whether they're in the militia or not.

That cannot be true. Only well regulated militia are declared Necessary to the security of a free State.

The unorganized militia can most definitely be infringed in the keeping and bearing of Arms; as can purely "civilian" Persons of the People.

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
(Source: Illinois Constitution.)

Your quote makes it clear it's an individual right.

 

[danielpalos]

This is classic leftist word parsing:

militia = the people

but

the people =/= militia


The same does not mean the same.


It fails logically.

.

Our Constitution is both gender and race neutral; the People are the Militia.

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

When will you learn that the People are the Militia. Only well regulated militia are declared Necessary.

You confuse natural rights with the security of a free State.

 

[danielpalos]

the People is plural and collective.

It means all the people, which means all the people can bear arms, which means it can't apply only to the militia because the militia is not all the people. How much plainer can it be made for you to understand? I know you're impervious to fact and reason, but come on, you carry dogmatic to an extreme.

The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

The people's right shall not be infringed, whether they're in the militia or not.

That cannot be true. Only well regulated militia are declared Necessary to the security of a free State.

The unorganized militia can most definitely be infringed in the keeping and bearing of Arms; as can purely "civilian" Persons of the People.

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
(Source: Illinois Constitution.)

and yet another statement that makes no sense

still not dumbed down enough for the right wing?

 

[danielpalos]

The Constitution is Express not implied


.


Except when it says "the people."


Then, it is implied that "the people" means a collective group, but NOT individuals.

the People is plural and collective.

It means all the people, which means all the people can bear arms, which means it can't apply only to the militia because the militia is not all the people. How much plainer can it be made for you to understand? I know you're impervious to fact and reason, but come on, you carry dogmatic to an extreme.

The People are the Militia.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

one mans opinion.

what a shame it doesn't fit the dictionary definition

Context is Everything.

What a shame is doesn't fit your right wing, special pleading.

That is the understanding of the militia under the common law for the common defense.

 

[danielpalos]

This is classic leftist word parsing:

militia = the people

but

the people =/= militia


The same does not mean the same.


It fails logically.

.

Our Constitution is both gender and race neutral; the People are the Militia.

only a section of the People are the Militia.

Hopefully, someday you will learn that.

Nope.
The militia is informal and as needed, so could be anyone or everyone.
Which means that everyone should be considered potential militia.
If nothing goes wrong, it could be no one is needed to do anything.
But under invasion, etc., women and children could have become active members of the militia.
The reason you have to include everyone as the militia is because there were no police back then at all, so everyone had to enforce the law, defend themselves, etc.
And there were lots of threats, like native, Spanish from the south, pirates, gangs, French from north, etc.
So when you talk about who needed to be armed for the militia, that would have to be everyone.
There is no way to know ahead of time who will need those arms.

When it was written:

"
Constitution and Bill of Rights (1787–1789)[edit]
The delegates of the Constitutional Convention (the founding fathers/framers of the United States Constitution) under Article 1; section 8, clauses 15 and 16 of the federal constitution, granted Congress the power to "provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia", as well as, and in distinction to, the power to raise an army and a navy. The US Congress is granted the power to use the militia of the United States for three specific missions, as described in Article 1, section 8, clause 15: "To provide for the calling of the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions." The Militia Act of 1792[26] clarified whom the militia consists of:

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act."

Militia (United States) - Wikipedia

NO females, NO males under the age of 18, NO males over the age of 45, with some exceptions.

Same link.

as of 1903: "
Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is primarily used to describe two groups within the United States:

• Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[8] (Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)
• Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[9]"

Close to the same age groups, and still no females, and still no infirm.

Our federal Constitution is both gender and race neutral, from intelligently designed, Inception.

Any inferences to gender or race are not binding.