The Right To Bear Arms

[KeiserC]

Getting back to firearms... How have the authorities in the various states that have had these 'mass shootings' determined by whom & where the firearms were purchased, the types of ammo purchased... etc?

Going through a NICS check "is not gun registration"... So.... Is Govt. 'Clairvoyance' what we should be talking about...???

There’s a real simple way to look at it, firearm ownership is an absolute right, shall not be infringed unless the individual ***** it up for themselves.
That is as simple and black-and-white as it gets...

Likewise... stating

Getting back to firearms... How have the authorities in the various states that have had these 'mass shootings' determined by whom & where the firearms were purchased, the types of ammo purchased... etc?

Going through a NICS check "is not gun registration"... So.... Is Govt. 'Clairvoyance' what we should be talking about...???

There’s a real simple way to look at it, firearm ownership is an absolute right, shall not be infringed unless the individual ***** it up for themselves.
That is as simple and black-and-white as it gets...

Unfortunately... that is a world that no longer exists... The Constitution has been deemed to be a 'living and breathing' document and we may be on the 'last gasping breaths' of Constitutionality...

 

[Skull Pilot]

The never-give-an-inch NRA Rambo gun nuts are the greatest threat to my future gun rights. I would never own an AR-15.

How about a semiautomatic .223 like this

The rate of fire on the Mini-14 is much slower than the fire rate of the AR. You are limited to the number of rounds you can fire by that slower fire rate. For hunting, the Mini-14 blows the AR away in all areas. For Mass Kilings, the AR is king. Are you willing to compromise on making the AR and the AK of all types regulated more and gotten off the shelves at Gun Stores and out of Online Sales? If you are not, you hurt the gun culture. They just might bag the Mini-14 with the same oncoming laws that will bag the AR and AK.

No it's not.

Both have the exact same rate of fire which is 1 round per trigger pull.

There is no need to regulate rifles based on cosmetic differences.

And the goal is to ban all semiauto rifles if you think it's not you're a fool

 

[Skull Pilot]

All those kids gone just so the gun industry can make a few bucks, and worse. we, the American people allowed it to happen.

I agree. I still remember when then President George W. Bush signed the PLCAA protecting gun manufacturers and dealers from liability.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law which protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible in much the same manner that any U.S. based manufacturer of consumer products is held responsible. They may also be held liable for negligent entrustment when they have reason to know a gun is intended for use in a crime.

Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act - Wikipedia

The manufacturer of a firearm is not responsible fro the crimes people commit

It is when the product is designed only to kill a lot of people. Thompson's sales came to a screeching halt on the Thompson MG when they singled it out with the 1934 law. IF only the mafia types only killed each other they may have left it alone. But they didn't. Innocents were slaughtered as well.

I elect that the AR types and the AK types are placed in the same special place the Thompson is today for exactly the same reason.

You know nothing of firearms, ARs are just sporting rifles Nothing more nothing less...

Anyway, You sound like a ***** in heat

OK, so 323 people were killed by AR-15's and 496 were killed by hammers.

BUT

Were the 323 people killed by AR-15's killed in 323 separate incidents, or just a handful of incidents? Same question for the hammers...

So it's worse to be killed if you're killed along with another person?

Dead is dead it matters not how it happens

 

[KeiserC]

All those kids gone just so the gun industry can make a few bucks, and worse. we, the American people allowed it to happen.

I agree. I still remember when then President George W. Bush signed the PLCAA protecting gun manufacturers and dealers from liability.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law which protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible in much the same manner that any U.S. based manufacturer of consumer products is held responsible. They may also be held liable for negligent entrustment when they have reason to know a gun is intended for use in a crime.

Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act - Wikipedia

The manufacturer of a firearm is not responsible fro the crimes people commit

It is when the product is designed only to kill a lot of people. Thompson's sales came to a screeching halt on the Thompson MG when they singled it out with the 1934 law. IF only the mafia types only killed each other they may have left it alone. But they didn't. Innocents were slaughtered as well.

I elect that the AR types and the AK types are placed in the same special place the Thompson is today for exactly the same reason.

You do know that those are just ordinary everyday semiautomatic rifles don't you?

The AR 15 so called assault rifle is no different from the Ruger mini 14 Ranch rifle but for some cosmetic differences.

We all now the ultimate goal here is to ban all semiautomatic rifles even though rifles of any kind are used in only about 2% of all murders and mass shootings account for only about 1% of all murder.

Yes... cosmetically more amenable to Feinstein... BUT there is a significant 'gas' disparity rendering the one 'Varmint' gun inferior to the other 'Varmint' gun in 'rate of fire'... Make no mistake here... they are best suited for 'wood chuck/ground hogs' not 100lbs. game, let alone, humans... lethality levels for both platforms on humans isn't much studied beyond the Military back in the 1960's and their determination that 'wounding' was better than 'killing' combatants...

 

[Skull Pilot]

That is unconstitutional, firearm ownership is an right, cell phones are not...

Your right to a firearm isn't infringed by fingerprint ID locks.

Bad idea.

Let's give an example.
it's winter in New England and you have on a pair of gloves. Some piece of shit tries to rob you and you say "Wait a minute Mr Criminal Piece of Shit I have to take off my gloves and scan my finger before I can defend myself"

And besides that the finger print reader om my laptop can take up to 5 swipes to work so no it's not a good idea for a weapon that you might need to defend yourself,

 

[Skull Pilot]

All those kids gone just so the gun industry can make a few bucks, and worse. we, the American people allowed it to happen.

I agree. I still remember when then President George W. Bush signed the PLCAA protecting gun manufacturers and dealers from liability.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law which protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible in much the same manner that any U.S. based manufacturer of consumer products is held responsible. They may also be held liable for negligent entrustment when they have reason to know a gun is intended for use in a crime.

Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act - Wikipedia

The manufacturer of a firearm is not responsible fro the crimes people commit

It is when the product is designed only to kill a lot of people. Thompson's sales came to a screeching halt on the Thompson MG when they singled it out with the 1934 law. IF only the mafia types only killed each other they may have left it alone. But they didn't. Innocents were slaughtered as well.

I elect that the AR types and the AK types are placed in the same special place the Thompson is today for exactly the same reason.

You do know that those are just ordinary everyday semiautomatic rifles don't you?

The AR 15 so called assault rifle is no different from the Ruger mini 14 Ranch rifle but for some cosmetic differences.

We all now the ultimate goal here is to ban all semiautomatic rifles even though rifles of any kind are used in only about 2% of all murders and mass shootings account for only about 1% of all murder.

Yes... cosmetically more amenable to Feinstein... BUT there is a significant 'gas' disparity rendering the one 'Varmint' gun inferior to the other 'Varmint' gun in 'rate of fire'...

The rate of fire is exactly the same for both rifles.

1 round per trigger pull.

 

[Rustic]

Getting back to firearms... How have the authorities in the various states that have had these 'mass shootings' determined by whom & where the firearms were purchased, the types of ammo purchased... etc?

Going through a NICS check "is not gun registration"... So.... Is Govt. 'Clairvoyance' what we should be talking about...???

There’s a real simple way to look at it, firearm ownership is an absolute right, shall not be infringed unless the individual ***** it up for themselves.
That is as simple and black-and-white as it gets...

Likewise... stating

Getting back to firearms... How have the authorities in the various states that have had these 'mass shootings' determined by whom & where the firearms were purchased, the types of ammo purchased... etc?

Going through a NICS check "is not gun registration"... So.... Is Govt. 'Clairvoyance' what we should be talking about...???

There’s a real simple way to look at it, firearm ownership is an absolute right, shall not be infringed unless the individual ***** it up for themselves.
That is as simple and black-and-white as it gets...

Unfortunately... that is a world that no longer exists... The Constitution has been deemed to be a 'living and breathing' document and we may be on the 'last gasping breaths' of Constitutionality...

True, Socialism will not tolerate any sort of freedom and individuality… Fact

 

[Skull Pilot]

It doesn’t matter, people kill people not firearms… End of story

Nukes don't kill people, people kill people. So Kim Jong Un should get all the nukes he wants.

There, you see how ******* stupid that argument is?

He already has the nukes he wants so once again your point is meaningless

 

[Rustic]

The never-give-an-inch NRA Rambo gun nuts are the greatest threat to my future gun rights. I would never own an AR-15.

How about a semiautomatic .223 like this

The rate of fire on the Mini-14 is much slower than the fire rate of the AR. You are limited to the number of rounds you can fire by that slower fire rate. For hunting, the Mini-14 blows the AR away in all areas. For Mass Kilings, the AR is king. Are you willing to compromise on making the AR and the AK of all types regulated more and gotten off the shelves at Gun Stores and out of Online Sales? If you are not, you hurt the gun culture. They just might bag the Mini-14 with the same oncoming laws that will bag the AR and AK.

No it's not.

Both have the exact same rate of fire which is 1 round per trigger pull.

There is no need to regulate rifles based on cosmetic differences.

And the goal is to ban all semiauto rifles if you think it's not you're a fool

No doubt about it.
Darrell hunt is a stupid ******... He watches for too many Hollywood movies made by child molesting Hollywood types

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yes it is, there is no need for ID locks.

Sure there is, I can think of two good reasons almost immediately;

• Your gun gets stolen
• Your kid gets their hands on it

You can’t force that shit on law-abiding people

Why not? Guns have safeties, don't they? Aren't safeties standard on all firearms?

If someone wants to steal my guns they have to break into my home thus setting off the alarm, they have to contend with my dogs and they would have to lift the 600 lb safe that is set into the concrete floor of my basement up the stairs.

And I don't have kids.

And FYI not all guns have safeties. My carry pistol is a Glock 19 no safety

 

[Rustic]

That is unconstitutional, firearm ownership is an right, cell phones are not...

Your right to a firearm isn't infringed by fingerprint ID locks.

Bad idea.

Let's give an example.
it's winter in New England and you have on a pair of gloves. Some piece of shit tries to rob you and you say "Wait a minute Mr Criminal Piece of Shit I have to take off my gloves and scan my finger before I can defend myself"

And besides that the finger print reader om my laptop can take up to 5 swipes to work so no it's not a good idea for a weapon that you might need to defend yourself,

...And the piece of shit lithium battery is dead Because they don’t work worth a shit in cold weather. Lol

 

[Skull Pilot]

Firearm ownership is none of your ******* business, it’s none of my business and it certainly is none of the federal governments business… End of story

NUKE OWNERSHIP IS ALSO NONE OF YOUR ******* BUSINESS.

So Kim Jong Un should get all the nukes he wants.

Nice deflection

I didn't deflect, I took your gun right argument and applied it to nukes.

Nukes don't kill people; people kill people. So Iran should get all the nukes it wants.

Yeah because a nuclear bomb is just like a rifle

 

[Rustic]

Yes it is, there is no need for ID locks.

Sure there is, I can think of two good reasons almost immediately;

• Your gun gets stolen
• Your kid gets their hands on it

You can’t force that shit on law-abiding people

Why not? Guns have safeties, don't they? Aren't safeties standard on all firearms?

If someone wants to steal my guns they have to break into my home thus setting off the alarm, they have to contend with my dogs and they would have to lift the 600 lb safe that is set into the concrete floor of my basement up the stairs.

And I don't have kids.

And FYI not all guns have safeties. My carry pistol is a Glock 19 no safety

That’s what I told him, he did not even realize that not all firearms have safeties on them. With a pistol your safety should be your trigger finger...

 

[Lakhota]

Although I don't own or would never own an AR-15 - I can relate to the Rambo mentality from my younger days. When the Rifleman TV show with Chuck Connors was popular from 1958 to 1963, I had access to my grandfather's lever-action Marlin .32 Special. We lived on a remote self-sufficient farm, and I would take it out in the woods and pretend to be the Rifleman. I wasted a lot of ammo (as much as granddad could afford on his meager farm income) - and I can still remember what my mentality was when I was cranking that lever. I was in my early teens. However, I grew up to be an ethical and responsible gun owner and hunter. I cherish my guns - but I detest the NRA. This is somewhat apples and oranges to today's gun problems, but I thought I would share my little story of life on the farm. I consider the NRA the biggest threat to my future gun rights. The NRA was once a great outfit - until it was hijacked by radicals in 1977. The NRA later hijacked the Republican Party.

How NRA’s true believers converted a marksmanship group into a mighty gun lobby

 

[Skull Pilot]

Ruger, Smith and Wesson, Beretta, etc... All the major manufacturers have tried to sell such a thing and they all have failed.

So...you're not who you claim to be. You're not a gun retailer. You're not a gun seller. You're pretending you are for the sake of an anonymous message board. You're making shit up as you go.

Smith & Wesson most definitely does produce fingerprint ID guns and manufactures two models that have them:

The Smith & Wesson B1 is compatable with two of the most popular Smith & Wesson models:

• Smith & Wesson M&P®40 SHIELD
• Smith & Wesson M&P®9 SHIELD

It's sold right here.

So why are you lying to me? I don't understand. Is your ego really that fragile?

No one wants that shit in their lives **** them...There is no ******* way anyone is going to want to rely on the battery to use a firearm for self-defense/hunting or anything of any purpose. You silly little ******

People rely on batteries for everything, so why wouldn't they be fine with one in their gun? You keep coming up with excuses, but not reasons why these fingerprint IDs won't work when they clearly do.

I think you just want to sell guns to criminals who will then traffic those guns to other criminals because you can't find enough buyers who could pass a background check.

Tell me how the **** is that contraption going to fit into my concealed carry holster?

 

[Rustic]

Although I don't own or would never own an AR-15 - I can relate to the Rambo mentality from my younger days. When the Rifleman TV show with Chuck Connors was popular from 1958 to 1963, I had access to my grandfather's lever-action .32 Special. We lived on a remote farm, and I would take it out in the woods and pretend to be the Rifleman. I burned up a lot of ammo (as much as granddad could afford on his meager farm income) - and I can still remember what my mentality was when I was cranking that lever. I was in my early teens. However, I grew up to be an ethical and responsible gun owner and hunter. I cherish my guns - but I detest the NRA. This is somewhat apple and oranges to today's gun problems, but I thought I would share my little story of life on the farm. I consider the NRA the biggest threat to my future gun rights. The NRA was once a great outfit - until it was hijacked by radicals in 1977.

How NRA’s true believers converted a marksmanship group into a mighty gun lobby

Washington redskin, NRA is not pro-gun enough. You know nothing of marksmanship and firearm safety. You watch far too many Hollywood movies made by child molesting Hollywood types

 

[Rustic]

Ruger, Smith and Wesson, Beretta, etc... All the major manufacturers have tried to sell such a thing and they all have failed.

So...you're not who you claim to be. You're not a gun retailer. You're not a gun seller. You're pretending you are for the sake of an anonymous message board. You're making shit up as you go.

Smith & Wesson most definitely does produce fingerprint ID guns and manufactures two models that have them:

The Smith & Wesson B1 is compatable with two of the most popular Smith & Wesson models:

• Smith & Wesson M&P®40 SHIELD
• Smith & Wesson M&P®9 SHIELD

It's sold right here.

So why are you lying to me? I don't understand. Is your ego really that fragile?

No one wants that shit in their lives **** them...There is no ******* way anyone is going to want to rely on the battery to use a firearm for self-defense/hunting or anything of any purpose. You silly little ******

People rely on batteries for everything, so why wouldn't they be fine with one in their gun? You keep coming up with excuses, but not reasons why these fingerprint IDs won't work when they clearly do.

I think you just want to sell guns to criminals who will then traffic those guns to other criminals because you can't find enough buyers who could pass a background check.

Tell me how the **** is that contraption going to fit into my concealed carry holster?

There is a reason why those never sold worth of shit and they will never sell worth a shit. Because those type of firearms are absolutely useless... Politically correct firearms are a joke, Just like politically correct people.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Why Most Americans Can Buy AR-15s Before They Can Have Their First Beer

Too young to buy a beer - but not an AR-15. Damn, that is really sick. The NRA Rambo mentality must be eliminated from society. Maybe Florida is the turning point. Maybe...

SO what?

A person can fight and kill in for his country before he can have his first beer too.
A person can get married, sign contracts, vote, buy a house etc all before legally being able to buy a beer.

 

[KeiserC]

I agree. I still remember when then President George W. Bush signed the PLCAA protecting gun manufacturers and dealers from liability.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law which protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible in much the same manner that any U.S. based manufacturer of consumer products is held responsible. They may also be held liable for negligent entrustment when they have reason to know a gun is intended for use in a crime.

Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act - Wikipedia

The manufacturer of a firearm is not responsible fro the crimes people commit

It is when the product is designed only to kill a lot of people. Thompson's sales came to a screeching halt on the Thompson MG when they singled it out with the 1934 law. IF only the mafia types only killed each other they may have left it alone. But they didn't. Innocents were slaughtered as well.

I elect that the AR types and the AK types are placed in the same special place the Thompson is today for exactly the same reason.

You do know that those are just ordinary everyday semiautomatic rifles don't you?

The AR 15 so called assault rifle is no different from the Ruger mini 14 Ranch rifle but for some cosmetic differences.

We all now the ultimate goal here is to ban all semiautomatic rifles even though rifles of any kind are used in only about 2% of all murders and mass shootings account for only about 1% of all murder.

Yes... cosmetically more amenable to Feinstein... BUT there is a significant 'gas' disparity rendering the one 'Varmint' gun inferior to the other 'Varmint' gun in 'rate of fire'...

The rate of fire is exactly the same for both rifles.

1 round per trigger pull.

YOU are Right!!! I was unconsciously getting more nuanced into the 'direct impingement' vs. 'new gas piston technology' that I've transitioned some of my AR's to...

 

[Skull Pilot]

Although I don't own or would never own an AR-15 - I can relate to the Rambo mentality from my younger days. When the Rifleman TV show with Chuck Connors was popular from 1958 to 1963, I had access to my grandfather's lever-action .32 Special. We lived on a remote self-sufficient farm, and I would take it out in the woods and pretend to be the Rifleman. I burned up a lot of ammo (as much as granddad could afford on his meager farm income) - and I can still remember what my mentality was when I was cranking that lever. I was in my early teens. However, I grew up to be an ethical and responsible gun owner and hunter. I cherish my guns - but I detest the NRA. This is somewhat apple and oranges to today's gun problems, but I thought I would share my little story of life on the farm. I consider the NRA the biggest threat to my future gun rights. The NRA was once a great outfit - until it was hijacked by radicals in 1977. The NRA later hijacked the Republican Party.

How NRA’s true believers converted a marksmanship group into a mighty gun lobby

I don't own one either.

I already have a perfectly fine .223 semiauto in my mini 14. I do not see the reason to buy another.

But I also know that the AR is no different than my mini 14 but for some cosmetics