Zone1 The reason there is hatred against Jews is about numbers. Judaism is a tiny religion and group compared to their enemies.

[BreezeWood]

I disagree. I believe God withholds MANY truths from us and permits us to be lost, misinformed, and deceived - for now.

whatever one is looking for is for the individual to find there is nothing the heavens are preventing from being found.

they did not write the christian bible is also for the individual to realize - not the heavens fault some chose that book over the truth. the 1st century is about liberation theology, self determination - no where found in the christian bible is deception by the crucifiers nothing else - the very reason for the crime they committed.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

That’s some nasty antisemitic shit claiming Jews love their traditions more than Gd.


Oye. These bigots ^^^ actually believe arethis stuff.

You're too thin skinned. As a Christian I'm "not allowed' to say anything negative about those who reject Christ, but only if it's said about the religion you follow. You're okay with me saying Catholics follow a paganized version of we Christianity -- or if I tell JWs Jesus was not Michael.

Your response shows us that you are welded to your religion and are incapable of honestly evaluating the FACTS. You've made my point.
"The carnal mind is entity against God"

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Oye. These bigots ^^^ actually believe this stuff

We don't embrace your religion so WE are bigots.

You reject Jesus, so you're the bigot

Oh that there were such a heart in them that they would love Me and Keep My Commandments

 

[Lisa558]

You're too thin skinned. As a Christian I'm "not allowed' to say anything negative about those who reject Christ, but only if it's said about the religion you follow. You're okay with me saying Catholics follow a paganized version of we Christianity -- or if I tell JWs Jesus was not Michael.

Your response shows us that you are welded to your religion and are incapable of honestly evaluating the FACTS. You've made my point.
"The carnal mind is entity against God"

And you won’t let me say that you are wrong. YOUR responses - insisting Jews are wrong, that they’re being punished Gd, etc., - tell me you are to welded to YOUR religion.


P.S. And if you want to say nasty things about Jews, then expect to be called out for your intolerant and arrogant attitude. Or am I not allowed to say that?

 

[Lisa558]

We don't embrace your religion so WE are bigots.

You reject Jesus, so you're the bigot

Oh that there were such a heart in them that they would love Me and Keep My Commandments

More Jew-hate from you. Just own it.

Nope. What you want is to be allowed to smack Jews in the face for not accepting YOUR belief about the man who lived 2000 years ago - and to just accept your bigoted remarks without any push back back from those dang Jews. We are supposed to just accept the disrespect silently?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I'm seeing the angry spirit here that led to the murder of those who preached Christ

I would probably be JAILED in Israel if I offended one of these

 

[ding]

I'm seeing the angry spirit here that led to the murder of those who preached Christ

I would probably be JAILED in Israel if I offended one of these

You created this thread for the express purpose of creating conflict. See Titus 3:10.

 

[Lisa558]

You created this thread for the express purpose of creating conflict. See Titus 3:10.

Plus, he is irritated that Jews are offended when he says we are cursed by Gd, and that we love our traditions more than Gd.

Who is HE to tell Jews that they don’t love Gd enough - and then criticize Jews who object to a statement like that, telling us we are too “thin-skinned”?

It would be like a white person telling a black person that Gd is punishing them, and then if the black is offended, tells him to stop beomg so sensitive.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Plus, he is irritated that Jews are offended when he says we are cursed by Gd

Where did I say that?
You are too damn sensitive for these discussions.
You would have me jailed if I lived in your country

 

[otto105]

This is what I have concluded after years of learning about Judaism. They are and remain the underdogs, contrary to some beliefs and it makes it easier for people to justify their bias against them as there are too few to debate them, and/or are educated about history.

Yes, they are the dominant military and economic power compared to the Palestinians, it is to their credit, due to their own effort and focus. The reality is that they are a tiny nation, with a tiny population, even worldwide as a religion, they are less than 20M people. Think about that . Islam has over 1 BILLION people, many of them taught to hate the Jews and most of them (outside of Indonesia) are in their neighbourhood. Even Christianity which is far more pro-Jewish than any other religion outside of Judaism has over 1 Billion people (at least in the loose definition of what is defined as a Christian).

The truth is that all that is good in the world, across all of humanity, is due to the Torah. In essence, all of what is good in the world has its origins in Judaism and it's genesis (pardon the pun) is the Jews. We now embraced, through the rabbi Jesus, Judeo-Christian values. A significant improvement.

Someone prove me wrong about the assertions in that last paragraph. Every nation that believes in the respect of human lives, the beauty of the world and within each of our souls is due to Judaism ultimately.

No stronger assertion of this was the poll of Arabs in Jerusalem who stated in polls overwhelmingly that they would prefer Israeli rule over Arab rulers. Why would they, as practicing Muslims prefer this?

Yes, as in Christianity, there are Jews who have lost their faith, that which was important to the light upon the world. However, even those who lose faith and adherence to the bible have at their core the belief in the sanctity of life, the loyalty to fair and equal justice, the belief in morality and forgiveness.

In todays world it's fashionable to blame the Jews for everything, especially in the region. Don't fall for that disinformation spread by enemies of the West, educate yourselves/

What about a Merican white ayran national shit.

Do you have a friend with them?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

And you won’t let me say that you are wrong. YOUR responses - insisting Jews are wrong, that they’re being punished Gd, etc., - tell me you are to welded to YOUR religion.


P.S. And if you want to say nasty things about Jews, then expect to be called out for your intolerant and arrogant attitude. Or am I not allowed to say that?

I will always speak the truth. Thankfully I can still do that in this CHRISTIAN country

But when some of the Jews saw the crowds, they were jealous; so they slandered Paul and argued against whatever he said.

 

[shockedcanadian]

What about a Merican white ayran national shit.

Do you have a friend with them?

Huh?

Are you inebriated today sir?

 

[otto105]

Huh?

Are you inebriated today sir?

Dude, I’m asking about how far right ayran nationalists judge the people in f Jewish faith.

You seem to not know.

Which makes you willingly stupid.

 

[Lisa558]

I will always speak the truth. Thankfully I can still do that in this CHRISTIAN country

But when some of the Jews saw the crowds, they were jealous; so they slandered Paul and argued against whatever he said.

Actually, it is NOT a Christian country. Our founders set it up so that there was no official religion, and thankfully I am free to observe my religion - despite those like you who love to offend and insult those who won’t kowtow to your beliefs.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

that, telling us we are too “thin-skinned”?

Not "us". Just you. Others seem able to have conversations without the anger you display

 

[Arlette]

You created this thread for the express purpose of creating conflict. See Titus 3:10.

The shocked Canadian created this thread.

 

[Lisa558]

Not "us". Just you. Others seem able to have conversations without the anger you display

Yeah, riiiiight. All Jews would be just fine with your telling them Gd has cursed them and they love traditions more than Gd.

What don’t you stick to lecturing your fellow Christians instead of acting as though you are the experts on Jews and that we don’t love Gd enough.

JFC.

 

[AsherN]

That's how I study as well, but I think the translations are accurate for the most part.

Some, like JPS and ArtScroll, are pretty accurate to the original text, being translations from Jews for Jews. But there are still words in Hebrew that are hard to translate. And that is true of any language.

Translate "melacha" in one word. Most translations translate to "work". It is close but not quite accurate. When we study the English text and come upon "work", we will refer back to the Hebrew text to see what the word used was. And that is just one example.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

When I was in my early 20s I shared an apartment with a Jewish Christian. We were both Sabbath keeping Christians.

I was taking some Hebrew classes, and of course the subject of Jesus came up, but not by me.

She was asked what Jews thought of Jesus (not by me). She said, "we believe he was a prophet".

So naturally, being the insensitive a-hole that I am, I asked, "If Jesus is a prophet, why don't you believe him?"

I never got a real answer from her. I try to take people at their word.

When I got home, I told my roommate.

He said, "She was being diplomatic. What she really meant was, we believe he's a FALSE PROPHET"

 

[Lisa558]

When I was in my early 20s I shared an apartment with a Jewish Christian. We were both Sabbath keeping Christians.

I was taking some Hebrew classes, and of course the subject of Jesus came up, but not by me.

She was asked what Jews thought of Jesus. She said, "we believe he was a prophet".

So naturally, being the insensitive a-holes I am, I asked, "If Jesus is a prophet, why don't you believe him?"

I never got a real answer from her. I try to take people at their word.

When I got home, I told my roommate.

He said, "She was being diplomatic. What she really meant was, we believe he's a FALSE PROPHET"

She didn’t know what she was talking about. There are more than 50 prophets in Judaism - Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Moses, David, Solomon, Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, and many more. Jesus, however, was not a Jewish prophet.

But what does “Believe in a prophet” mean anyway? Do we believe in Moses? Solomon? Abraham? Nathan? Miriam?