The Real Story: Kilmar Agrego Garcia

[Care4all]

Yes, it is. Very much so.

Leftards refuse to prosecute people like this. Just like they refused to prosecute BLM rioters and looters.

Illegal immigrants who kill children get 4 months in jail in lefty land.

Yes, the behavior is VERY MUCH the issue.



See?

You don't care that Garcia is a member of a terrorist gang, collects drug.money and beats his wife.

You just care that it was President Trump who got him off the streets.

Sorry, but this is exactly the kind of stuff the President was elected to handle. That fucktard Biden let in FIFTEEN MILLION of these assholes with no vetting whatsoever. He had no idea who they are or where to find them.

President Trump is doing exactly what he was elected to do. And he'll continue doing it, and flunky judges aren't going to stop him.

Get used to it. There's a new sheriff in town. Because the last one SUCKED and the People kicked him out. The new guy is getting the job done. He's cleaning up the town. You should be grateful. But instead you're whining. Over a terrorist gang banger who beats his wife. Shame on you.

I don't know how many ways this can be said...

The issue is not Garcia's behavior, the issue at hand, that we are arguing over, and being argued in these court cases and rulings, is FOLLOWING THE LAW vs being vigilante OUTLAWS....

Lawless vs lawful, administration actions. Deporting Garcia to ElSalvador, was unlawful, and needs to be corrected....

 

[scruffy]

I don't know how many ways this can be said...

The issue is not Garcia's behavior, the issue at hand, that we are arguing over, and being argued in these court cases and rulings, is FOLLOWING THE LAW vs being vigilante OUTLAWS....

Lawless vs lawful, administration actions. Deporting Garcia to ElSalvador, was unlawful, and needs to be corrected....

The law says Garcia wasn't supposed to be here in the first place.

The law says he had TWO deportation orders.

The law says he had six years to clean up his act and didn't.

Barrio 18 is gone from El Salvador. Garcia's fear of rival gangs is a moot point.

He's gone and he ain't coming back.

Get used to it. The new sheriff is cleaning up the town. And he isn't going to take shit from leftard judges.

 

[Leo123]

The word "disabuse" means to "separate from" to "alienate" or "isolate from," "to abscond."

His rights were violated the moment the order was violated. He was deported to El Salvador despite the order saying he shouldn't have been. What was "due process" was violated.

What was violated? His false claim of asylum?

 

[TemplarKormac]

What was violated? His false claim of asylum?

The order forbidding him from being deported to El Salvador.

 

[scruffy]

The order forbidding him from being deported to El Salvador.

Boo hoo. Cry me a river. One gang member says he's in fear of his life from a rival gang, and for that we have to keep him around?

I don't think so. Not our problem. Ship him home.

 

[Muhammed]

If all the claims are true, then what is the problem with locking him up here and convicting him in a criminal court? I mean, what happened to those rolls of cash? Where are the drugs?

Did you notice the date on the police report? Who was president then? Why did the Trump administration let him go? Why did they protect him? Obviously, you do not know how immigration court works, he was not found "guilty" of gang activity, it was found he could not prove he was not in a gang.

One of the officers involved in this stop was later criminally charged and successfully prosecuted for inappropriate actions as an officer. This is not about Garcia, MS-13, drugs, or violence. This is nothing more than attempt by the Trump administration to avoid "due process". Today, it is Garcia, tomorrow, it is you or I.

Garcia is a FUCKING SERIAL KILLER. His status in the gang has been confirmed. He's got homeboy status. The only way to achieve that is to murder 5 people before your 16th birthday.

 

[Darkwind]

Many, if not most of the judges fighting Trump's lawless and unconstitutional moves are not liberals, but are conservative appointed judges, a couple appointed by Trump himself.

Time to get yourself another 'excuse story' to regurgitate....that one above ...is tired and old.

When the courts act outside the scope of their authority, it is they who are acting lawlessly.

It has always been within the scope of authority of the Executive to deport invaders and those who entered the US illegally.

 

[konradv]

Here are real facts.....When they arrested Garcia he had rolls of cash and drugs. He was arrested with two other members of MS-13. More here:

Kilmar Abrego Garcia is an MS-13 Gang member with a History of Violence | Homeland Security

The mainstream media has peddled a sob story about Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The facts are he is an illegal alien from El Salvador, a MS-13 gang member, and has a history of violence.

www.dhs.gov

"When arrested, he was wearing a sweatshirt with roles of money covering the ears, mouth, and eyes of presidents on various currency denominations. This is a known MS-13 gang symbol of see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil."

"Two judges found that he was a member of MS-13. That finding has not been disturbed."

"He claimed fear of being returned to El Salvador because he would be persecuted by MS-13's rival gang, Barrio-18."

"Jennifer Vasquez, Garcia’s wife, petitioned for an order of protection against him. She claimed he punched her, scratched her, and ripped off her shirt, and bruised her."

MAGA lies.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Boo hoo. Cry me a river. One gang member says he's in fear of his life from a rival gang, and for that we have to keep him around?

I don't think so. Not our problem. Ship him home.

Oh cool. Let's just ignore his rights.

If we have such utter disregard for his rights, who else's will we simply discard in this manner?

So many people ruled by emotion.

 

[Care4all]

When the courts act outside the scope of their authority, it is they who are acting lawlessly.

It has always been within the scope of authority of the Executive to deport invaders and those who entered the US illegally.

Of course it is within his authority to deport, just not in this case because there was a Court Order, ordering the executive branch that Garcia could not be deported back to ElSalvador.....without another hearing and court order reversing the court ruling protecting him. Other countries were ok for trump to deport Garcia to.

Why is this so hard for you Trumpers to understand? It is how our justice system has always worked?

 

[SweetSue92]

Of course it is within his authority to deport, just not in this case because there was a Court Order, ordering the executive branch that Garcia could not be deported back to ElSalvador.....without another hearing and court order reversing the court ruling protecting him. Other countries were ok for trump to deport Garcia to.

Why is this so hard for you Trumpers to understand? It is how our justice system has always worked?

You exploited and abused the "justice system" over TDS for how many years?

Now you expect us to care?

Honey, I told you:

Your game.

Your rules.

You hate it NOW?

Awww

 

[Care4all]

You exploited and abused the "justice system" over TDS for how many years?

Now you expect us to care?

Honey, I told you:

Your game.

Your rules.

You hate it NOW?

Awww

Your problem with following the law is only in your own head, sue.

 

[Winston]

Why don't you just answer your own questions with citations and facts or just go away?

I don't think there is really anything to document. As to the questions I asked, we can start with the first one.

If all the claims are true, then what is the problem with locking him up here and convicting him in a criminal court?

“The answer can only be that it is using this case to establish a truly chilling proposition: that no one can stop the Trump administration from imprisoning any people it wants anywhere else in the world,” they answered.

Due Process and the Abrego Garcia Case - FactCheck.org

The Supreme Court ruled on the evening of April 10 that the Trump administration must comply with a lower court's order to "facilitate" the release from custody of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, an immigrant who was deported without a hearing to a mega prison in El Salvador. The case underscores...

www.factcheck.org

Knowing full well you won't read a single line within these links, I will provide them.

Abrego Garcia and MS-13: What Do We Know?

The allegation seems to stem from double hearsay in a document authored by a later suspended police detective.

www.lawfaremedia.org

143. The State of Play in the Abrego Garcia Case

The Trump administration isn't defying the letter of Thursday's Supreme Court ruling. But it's daring the federal courts to take much more aggressive steps to block its immigration policies.

www.stevevladeck.com

 

[j-mac]

Oh silly one, Garcia's behavior is not the issue...

The issue is the Trump admin lawlessness.

Not following the Court order that Garcia be protected from being sent back to ElSalvador.

And not trying to correct their admitted law breaking (mistake) by getting him back to the USA for his due court hearing, to get the court to remove the protection order....

Right now, the whole Trump administration are acting as OUTLAWS!

You think ES has to do what we say?

 

[Care4all]

You think ES has to do what we say?

They are our prisoners, which we are paying him to hold.

And yes, with absolutely no doubt what so ever, if Trump asked the ES President to return him for his hearing in the US, he would.

This childish game, pretending that he wouldn't, is for the cult only....every one else is smart enough to know what is going on right before our eyes.

 

[Winston]

Yeah, just read some MSM articles on this guy. They say he was picked up in a parking lot at Home Depot with 3 or 4 other guys. No mention of him holding cash, drugs or that the other guys were MS-13. Then the MSM copies that story over and over and it becomes Democrat talking points. Sadly, that is how it works today. You're lucky to get any facts at all from them especially regarding anything related to Trump.

I think you have it backwards. The gang affiliation charge comes from two pieces of evidence. A federal I-213 form, (Record of Deportable/Inadmissible Alien), and a GFIS, Gang Field Interview Sheet, submitted about four hours after the encounter with Garcia. Neither piece of evidence has been made public.

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The Court first reasoned that the Respondent failed to meet his burden of demonstrating that his release from custody would not pose a danger to others, as the evidence shows that he is a verified member ofMS-13. Matter ofSiniauskas, 27 l&N Dec. at 210; Matter of Adeniji, 22 l&N Dec. at 1111-13; 8 C.F.R. § 1003.19(h)(3). The BIA has held that, absent any indication that the information therein is incorrect or was the result of coercion or duress, Form 1-213 is "inherently trustworthy and admissible." Matter of Barcenas, 19 l&N Dec. 609,611 (BIA 1988). The Respondent contends that the Form 1-213 in his case erroneously states that he was detained in connection to a murder investigation. He also claims that the 1-213 is internally contradicts itself as to whether the Respondent fears returning to El Salvador. The reason for the Respondent's arrest given on his Form 1-213 does appear at odds with the Gang Field Interview Sheet, which states that the Respondent was approached because he and others were loitering outside of a Home Depot. Regardless, the determination that the Respondent is a 2 Case 8:25-cv-00951-PX Document 11-1 Filed 03/31/25 Page 3 of 3 gang member appears to be trustworthy and is supported by other evidence in the record, namely, information contained in the Gang Field Interview Sheet. Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent's clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a "past, proven, and reliable source of information" verified the Respondent's gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion.

Nothing in there about drugs, or rolls of cash. And the judge had doubts about the clothing argument but considered the fact that a past proven and reliable source of information verified Garcia as a gang member. There was no opportunity to cross examine this CI, nor was there the opportunity to cross examine a single member of the police force that made the arrest. One officer, the one handling the CI, was later suspended, then dismissed, and then convicted of criminal behavior himself.

 

[Harry Dresden]

On this thread issue....

Trump admin broke a Court Order....broke the law....the Admin says it was a mistake....

The admin needs to correct their mistake, and FOLLOW THE LAW....bring him home and before a court.

If Garcia is as bad as big government says in their smear campaign that we have all seen, they will have no problems with the court ruling in Trump's favor, and if the court does not remove the court protection order for Garcia to ElSalvador, then Trump can arrange to deport him to another country.

Again, Trump needs to follow the law...

care what about those other guys on the plane with him,the ones with the tatoos.....same situation ...no due process....how come no democrat is stepping up for them?.....

 

[Lesh]

Here are real facts.....When they arrested Garcia he had rolls of cash and drugs. He was arrested with two other members of MS-13. More here:

Kilmar Abrego Garcia is an MS-13 Gang member with a History of Violence | Homeland Security

The mainstream media has peddled a sob story about Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The facts are he is an illegal alien from El Salvador, a MS-13 gang member, and has a history of violence.

www.dhs.gov

"When arrested, he was wearing a sweatshirt with roles of money covering the ears, mouth, and eyes of presidents on various currency denominations. This is a known MS-13 gang symbol of see no evil, hear no evil, say no evil."

"Two judges found that he was a member of MS-13. That finding has not been disturbed."

"He claimed fear of being returned to El Salvador because he would be persecuted by MS-13's rival gang, Barrio-18."

"Jennifer Vasquez, Garcia’s wife, petitioned for an order of protection against him. She claimed he punched her, scratched her, and ripped off her shirt, and bruised her."

So let’s start with the first lie.
Garcia did NOT have “rolls of cash on him “. Supposedly the sweatshirt he wore had that symbolism.
When you start out lying it doesn’t get better.

And ya know… there was the Chicago Bulls hat. Everyone knows wearing a Bulls hat SCREAMS GANG MEMBER

 

[Winston]

care what about those other guys on the plane with him,the ones with the tatoos.....same situation ...no due process....how come no democrat is stepping up for them?.....

Who said they aren't? All deportations of this nature should be stopped.

 

[Lesh]

I think you have it backwards. The gang affiliation charge comes from two pieces of evidence. A federal I-213 form, (Record of Deportable/Inadmissible Alien), and a GFIS, Gang Field Interview Sheet, submitted about four hours after the encounter with Garcia. Neither piece of evidence has been made public.

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The Court first reasoned that the Respondent failed to meet his burden of demonstrating that his release from custody would not pose a danger to others, as the evidence shows that he is a verified member ofMS-13. Matter ofSiniauskas, 27 l&N Dec. at 210; Matter of Adeniji, 22 l&N Dec. at 1111-13; 8 C.F.R. § 1003.19(h)(3). The BIA has held that, absent any indication that the information therein is incorrect or was the result of coercion or duress, Form 1-213 is "inherently trustworthy and admissible." Matter of Barcenas, 19 l&N Dec. 609,611 (BIA 1988). The Respondent contends that the Form 1-213 in his case erroneously states that he was detained in connection to a murder investigation. He also claims that the 1-213 is internally contradicts itself as to whether the Respondent fears returning to El Salvador. The reason for the Respondent's arrest given on his Form 1-213 does appear at odds with the Gang Field Interview Sheet, which states that the Respondent was approached because he and others were loitering outside of a Home Depot. Regardless, the determination that the Respondent is a 2 Case 8:25-cv-00951-PX Document 11-1 Filed 03/31/25 Page 3 of 3 gang member appears to be trustworthy and is supported by other evidence in the record, namely, information contained in the Gang Field Interview Sheet. Although the Court is reluctant to give evidentiary weight to the Respondent's clothing as an indication of gang affiliation, the fact that a "past, proven, and reliable source of information" verified the Respondent's gang membership, rank, and gang name is sufficient to support that the Respondent is a gang member, and the Respondent has failed to present evidence to rebut that assertion.

Nothing in there about drugs, or rolls of cash. And the judge had doubts about the clothing argument but considered the fact that a past proven and reliable source of information verified Garcia as a gang member. There was no opportunity to cross examine this CI, nor was there the opportunity to cross examine a single member of the police force that made the arrest. One officer, the one handling the CI, was later suspended, then dismissed, and then convicted of criminal behavior himself.

The only “real” evidence against him was the word of a confidential informant who was never cross examined and who was provided by a crooked cop