The real issue in Floyd’s death is the concept of “qualified immunity” police officers benefit from

[Billy000]

Police are rarely prosecuted for their misconduct because of a 1982 Supreme Court decision. The SC maintained at the time this wouldn’t be misappropriated, but clearly that isn’t the case.

Police act like laws don't apply to them because of 'qualified immunity.' They're right.

There's a legal obstacle that's nearly impossible to overcome when police officers and government officials violate our constitutional and civil rights.

www.yahoo.com

“Four decades on, qualified immunity routinely shields both the incompetent and those who knowingly violate the law. In the past year alone — along with the two cases above — courts have granted qualified immunity to:

►Officers who stole $225,000.

►A cop who shot a 10-year-old while trying to shoot a nonthreatening family dog.

►Prison officials who locked an inmate in a sewage-flooded cell for days.

►SWAT team members who fired gas grenades into an innocent woman’s empty home.

►Medical board officials who rifled through a doctor’s client files without a warrant.

►County officials who held a 14-year-old in pretrial solitary confinement for over a month.

►A cop who body-slammed a 5-foot-tall woman for walking away from him.

►Police who picked up a mentally infirmed man, drove him to the county line and dropped him off at dusk along the highway, where he was later struck and killed by a motorist.”

 

[MaryL]

Police have tough job. It's good we can investigate corrupt cops or just inept or incompetent police officers. But this constant scrutiny on ALL cops, and that they should act in a superhuman prescient manor and be held to such a high standard we can't realistically expect from ANY HUMAN BEING...has a really negative side effect. Lets apply this same standard across the board, to social activist, politicians or the media.

 

[TNHarley]

Dude, we dont hold anyone in govt accountable.
Their abuse their power daily. Just create it out of thin air. Which, in return takes away our liabilities.
Lobbyists. Extortion. Hypocrisy. Shit dude, congress has a slushfund to pay off sexual harrassment suites from the fruits of OUR labor.
There is no accountability in this country. And when one finally talks about, they are labeled crazy or stupid.

 

[rightwinger]

Police are rarely prosecuted for their misconduct because of a 1982 Supreme Court decision. The SC maintained at the time this wouldn’t be misappropriated, but clearly that isn’t the case.

Police act like laws don't apply to them because of 'qualified immunity.' They're right.

There's a legal obstacle that's nearly impossible to overcome when police officers and government officials violate our constitutional and civil rights.

www.yahoo.com

“Four decades on, qualified immunity routinely shields both the incompetent and those who knowingly violate the law. In the past year alone — along with the two cases above — courts have granted qualified immunity to:

►Officers who stole $225,000.

►A cop who shot a 10-year-old while trying to shoot a nonthreatening family dog.

►Prison officials who locked an inmate in a sewage-flooded cell for days.

►SWAT team members who fired gas grenades into an innocent woman’s empty home.

►Medical board officials who rifled through a doctor’s client files without a warrant.

►County officials who held a 14-year-old in pretrial solitary confinement for over a month.

►A cop who body-slammed a 5-foot-tall woman for walking away from him.

►Police who picked up a mentally infirmed man, drove him to the county line and dropped him off at dusk along the highway, where he was later struck and killed by a motorist.”

You are correct
It is not as much a black and white issue as cops given broad latitude to use lethal force

Lack of judgement and indifference to safety that would lead to manslaughter charges against a common citizen

 

[Billy000]

Police are rarely prosecuted for their misconduct because of a 1982 Supreme Court decision. The SC maintained at the time this wouldn’t be misappropriated, but clearly that isn’t the case.

Police act like laws don't apply to them because of 'qualified immunity.' They're right.

There's a legal obstacle that's nearly impossible to overcome when police officers and government officials violate our constitutional and civil rights.

www.yahoo.com

“Four decades on, qualified immunity routinely shields both the incompetent and those who knowingly violate the law. In the past year alone — along with the two cases above — courts have granted qualified immunity to:

►Officers who stole $225,000.

►A cop who shot a 10-year-old while trying to shoot a nonthreatening family dog.

►Prison officials who locked an inmate in a sewage-flooded cell for days.

►SWAT team members who fired gas grenades into an innocent woman’s empty home.

►Medical board officials who rifled through a doctor’s client files without a warrant.

►County officials who held a 14-year-old in pretrial solitary confinement for over a month.

►A cop who body-slammed a 5-foot-tall woman for walking away from him.

►Police who picked up a mentally infirmed man, drove him to the county line and dropped him off at dusk along the highway, where he was later struck and killed by a motorist.”

You are correct
It is not as much a black and white issue as cops given broad latitude to use lethal force

Lack of judgement and indifference to safety that would lead to manslaughter charges against a common citizen

It’s rather shocking and makes you wonder when this law would be addressed by the current SC.

 

[rightwinger]

Police are rarely prosecuted for their misconduct because of a 1982 Supreme Court decision. The SC maintained at the time this wouldn’t be misappropriated, but clearly that isn’t the case.

Police act like laws don't apply to them because of 'qualified immunity.' They're right.

There's a legal obstacle that's nearly impossible to overcome when police officers and government officials violate our constitutional and civil rights.

www.yahoo.com

“Four decades on, qualified immunity routinely shields both the incompetent and those who knowingly violate the law. In the past year alone — along with the two cases above — courts have granted qualified immunity to:

►Officers who stole $225,000.

►A cop who shot a 10-year-old while trying to shoot a nonthreatening family dog.

►Prison officials who locked an inmate in a sewage-flooded cell for days.

►SWAT team members who fired gas grenades into an innocent woman’s empty home.

►Medical board officials who rifled through a doctor’s client files without a warrant.

►County officials who held a 14-year-old in pretrial solitary confinement for over a month.

►A cop who body-slammed a 5-foot-tall woman for walking away from him.

►Police who picked up a mentally infirmed man, drove him to the county line and dropped him off at dusk along the highway, where he was later struck and killed by a motorist.”

You are correct
It is not as much a black and white issue as cops given broad latitude to use lethal force

Lack of judgement and indifference to safety that would lead to manslaughter charges against a common citizen

It’s rather shocking and makes you wonder when this law would be addressed by the current SC.

I don’t think they will touch it.

Cops have a difficult job and put their lives on the line. Mistakes will be made and cops should get the benefit of the doubt in most cases.

But there is a certain point where cops have control of a situation. Where they are no longer in danger. Where stepping away and deescalating a situation will suffice.

In these cases, criminal prosecution is warranted

 

[Oddball]

Dude, we dont hold anyone in govt accountable.
Their abuse their power daily. Just create it out of thin air. Which, in return takes away our liabilities.
Lobbyists. Extortion. Hypocrisy. Shit dude, congress has a slushfund to pay off sexual harrassment suites from the fruits of OUR labor.
There is no accountability in this country. And when one finally talks about, they are labeled crazy or stupid.

Philando Castile.

Anyone who saw the video of the incident watched a panicked cop empty his mag into a young man who hadn't even drawn the weapon.....Wasn't even a white cop, either.

Yet he walked.

 

[MaryL]

Qualified immunity becacause cops are human and make mistakes, and second guessing after the fact with all the facts isn't a luxury police often have. But it doesn't make them immune to criminal negligence or outright criminal actions, either. So relax.

 

[Billy000]

Police are rarely prosecuted for their misconduct because of a 1982 Supreme Court decision. The SC maintained at the time this wouldn’t be misappropriated, but clearly that isn’t the case.

Police act like laws don't apply to them because of 'qualified immunity.' They're right.

There's a legal obstacle that's nearly impossible to overcome when police officers and government officials violate our constitutional and civil rights.

www.yahoo.com

“Four decades on, qualified immunity routinely shields both the incompetent and those who knowingly violate the law. In the past year alone — along with the two cases above — courts have granted qualified immunity to:

►Officers who stole $225,000.

►A cop who shot a 10-year-old while trying to shoot a nonthreatening family dog.

►Prison officials who locked an inmate in a sewage-flooded cell for days.

►SWAT team members who fired gas grenades into an innocent woman’s empty home.

►Medical board officials who rifled through a doctor’s client files without a warrant.

►County officials who held a 14-year-old in pretrial solitary confinement for over a month.

►A cop who body-slammed a 5-foot-tall woman for walking away from him.

►Police who picked up a mentally infirmed man, drove him to the county line and dropped him off at dusk along the highway, where he was later struck and killed by a motorist.”

You are correct
It is not as much a black and white issue as cops given broad latitude to use lethal force

Lack of judgement and indifference to safety that would lead to manslaughter charges against a common citizen

It’s rather shocking and makes you wonder when this law would be addressed by the current SC.

I don’t think they will touch it.

Cops have a difficult job and put their lives on the line. Mistakes will be made and cops should get the benefit of the doubt in most cases.

But there is a certain point where cops have control of a situation. Where they are no longer in danger. Where stepping away and deescalating a situation will suffice.

In these cases, criminal prosecution is warranted

I sort get the thinking behind the law. Cops should be given a small bit of leeway in the way they conduct their work, but obviously this law is poorly defined and vague and therefore easy to abuse.

 

[BULLDOG]

Police have tough job. It's good we can investigate corrupt cops or just inept or incompetent police officers. But this constant scrutiny on ALL cops, and that they should act in a superhuman prescient manor and be held to such a high standard we can't realistically expect from ANY HUMAN BEING...has a really negative side effect. Lets apply this same standard across the board, to social activist, politicians or the media.

Requiring cops to follow the law is not a superhuman requirement.

 

[martybegan]

Police are rarely prosecuted for their misconduct because of a 1982 Supreme Court decision. The SC maintained at the time this wouldn’t be misappropriated, but clearly that isn’t the case.

Police act like laws don't apply to them because of 'qualified immunity.' They're right.

There's a legal obstacle that's nearly impossible to overcome when police officers and government officials violate our constitutional and civil rights.

www.yahoo.com

“Four decades on, qualified immunity routinely shields both the incompetent and those who knowingly violate the law. In the past year alone — along with the two cases above — courts have granted qualified immunity to:

►Officers who stole $225,000.

►A cop who shot a 10-year-old while trying to shoot a nonthreatening family dog.

►Prison officials who locked an inmate in a sewage-flooded cell for days.

►SWAT team members who fired gas grenades into an innocent woman’s empty home.

►Medical board officials who rifled through a doctor’s client files without a warrant.

►County officials who held a 14-year-old in pretrial solitary confinement for over a month.

►A cop who body-slammed a 5-foot-tall woman for walking away from him.

►Police who picked up a mentally infirmed man, drove him to the county line and dropped him off at dusk along the highway, where he was later struck and killed by a motorist.”

Qualified immunity also shields other government actors besides cops. It's an OK idea when limited, but when it gives an unlimited carte blanche for bad acts, it becomes something stupid.

 

[MaryL]

Qualified immunity because cops are human and make mistakes, and second guessing with all the knowledge of ALL the facts isn't a luxury police have. They have to act on the spur of the moment in rather ambiguous situations. Which lends itself to mistakes... But it doesn't make them immune to deliberate criminal negligence or outright criminal actions, either. So relax.

 

[martybegan]

Police are rarely prosecuted for their misconduct because of a 1982 Supreme Court decision. The SC maintained at the time this wouldn’t be misappropriated, but clearly that isn’t the case.

Police act like laws don't apply to them because of 'qualified immunity.' They're right.

There's a legal obstacle that's nearly impossible to overcome when police officers and government officials violate our constitutional and civil rights.

www.yahoo.com

“Four decades on, qualified immunity routinely shields both the incompetent and those who knowingly violate the law. In the past year alone — along with the two cases above — courts have granted qualified immunity to:

►Officers who stole $225,000.

►A cop who shot a 10-year-old while trying to shoot a nonthreatening family dog.

►Prison officials who locked an inmate in a sewage-flooded cell for days.

►SWAT team members who fired gas grenades into an innocent woman’s empty home.

►Medical board officials who rifled through a doctor’s client files without a warrant.

►County officials who held a 14-year-old in pretrial solitary confinement for over a month.

►A cop who body-slammed a 5-foot-tall woman for walking away from him.

►Police who picked up a mentally infirmed man, drove him to the county line and dropped him off at dusk along the highway, where he was later struck and killed by a motorist.”

You are correct
It is not as much a black and white issue as cops given broad latitude to use lethal force

Lack of judgement and indifference to safety that would lead to manslaughter charges against a common citizen

It’s rather shocking and makes you wonder when this law would be addressed by the current SC.

A large portion of the right side of the SC has issues with qualified immunity as currently used. The issue is it's not just cops that use it, but many government actors.

 

[Billy000]

Police are rarely prosecuted for their misconduct because of a 1982 Supreme Court decision. The SC maintained at the time this wouldn’t be misappropriated, but clearly that isn’t the case.

Police act like laws don't apply to them because of 'qualified immunity.' They're right.

There's a legal obstacle that's nearly impossible to overcome when police officers and government officials violate our constitutional and civil rights.

www.yahoo.com

“Four decades on, qualified immunity routinely shields both the incompetent and those who knowingly violate the law. In the past year alone — along with the two cases above — courts have granted qualified immunity to:

►Officers who stole $225,000.

►A cop who shot a 10-year-old while trying to shoot a nonthreatening family dog.

►Prison officials who locked an inmate in a sewage-flooded cell for days.

►SWAT team members who fired gas grenades into an innocent woman’s empty home.

►Medical board officials who rifled through a doctor’s client files without a warrant.

►County officials who held a 14-year-old in pretrial solitary confinement for over a month.

►A cop who body-slammed a 5-foot-tall woman for walking away from him.

►Police who picked up a mentally infirmed man, drove him to the county line and dropped him off at dusk along the highway, where he was later struck and killed by a motorist.”

You are correct
It is not as much a black and white issue as cops given broad latitude to use lethal force

Lack of judgement and indifference to safety that would lead to manslaughter charges against a common citizen

It’s rather shocking and makes you wonder when this law would be addressed by the current SC.

A large portion of the right side of the SC has issues with qualified immunity as currently used. The issue is it's not just cops that use it, but many government actors.

It’s true this applies to other government officials, but the level of abuse of this is mainly done by law enforcement.

 

[martybegan]

Police are rarely prosecuted for their misconduct because of a 1982 Supreme Court decision. The SC maintained at the time this wouldn’t be misappropriated, but clearly that isn’t the case.

Police act like laws don't apply to them because of 'qualified immunity.' They're right.

There's a legal obstacle that's nearly impossible to overcome when police officers and government officials violate our constitutional and civil rights.

www.yahoo.com

“Four decades on, qualified immunity routinely shields both the incompetent and those who knowingly violate the law. In the past year alone — along with the two cases above — courts have granted qualified immunity to:

►Officers who stole $225,000.

►A cop who shot a 10-year-old while trying to shoot a nonthreatening family dog.

►Prison officials who locked an inmate in a sewage-flooded cell for days.

►SWAT team members who fired gas grenades into an innocent woman’s empty home.

►Medical board officials who rifled through a doctor’s client files without a warrant.

►County officials who held a 14-year-old in pretrial solitary confinement for over a month.

►A cop who body-slammed a 5-foot-tall woman for walking away from him.

►Police who picked up a mentally infirmed man, drove him to the county line and dropped him off at dusk along the highway, where he was later struck and killed by a motorist.”

You are correct
It is not as much a black and white issue as cops given broad latitude to use lethal force

Lack of judgement and indifference to safety that would lead to manslaughter charges against a common citizen

It’s rather shocking and makes you wonder when this law would be addressed by the current SC.

A large portion of the right side of the SC has issues with qualified immunity as currently used. The issue is it's not just cops that use it, but many government actors.

It’s true this applies to other government officials, but the level of abuse of this is mainly done by law enforcement.

My concern is the left side of the SC would favor government power protection in general, and thus let QI survive in its current guise.

 

[Billy000]

Police are rarely prosecuted for their misconduct because of a 1982 Supreme Court decision. The SC maintained at the time this wouldn’t be misappropriated, but clearly that isn’t the case.

Police act like laws don't apply to them because of 'qualified immunity.' They're right.

There's a legal obstacle that's nearly impossible to overcome when police officers and government officials violate our constitutional and civil rights.

www.yahoo.com

“Four decades on, qualified immunity routinely shields both the incompetent and those who knowingly violate the law. In the past year alone — along with the two cases above — courts have granted qualified immunity to:

►Officers who stole $225,000.

►A cop who shot a 10-year-old while trying to shoot a nonthreatening family dog.

►Prison officials who locked an inmate in a sewage-flooded cell for days.

►SWAT team members who fired gas grenades into an innocent woman’s empty home.

►Medical board officials who rifled through a doctor’s client files without a warrant.

►County officials who held a 14-year-old in pretrial solitary confinement for over a month.

►A cop who body-slammed a 5-foot-tall woman for walking away from him.

►Police who picked up a mentally infirmed man, drove him to the county line and dropped him off at dusk along the highway, where he was later struck and killed by a motorist.”

You are correct
It is not as much a black and white issue as cops given broad latitude to use lethal force

Lack of judgement and indifference to safety that would lead to manslaughter charges against a common citizen

It’s rather shocking and makes you wonder when this law would be addressed by the current SC.

A large portion of the right side of the SC has issues with qualified immunity as currently used. The issue is it's not just cops that use it, but many government actors.

It’s true this applies to other government officials, but the level of abuse of this is mainly done by law enforcement.

My concern is the left side of the SC would favor government power protection in general, and thus let QI survive in its current guise.

My concern is that the right side of the SC supports the boys in blue as usual.

 

[martybegan]

Police are rarely prosecuted for their misconduct because of a 1982 Supreme Court decision. The SC maintained at the time this wouldn’t be misappropriated, but clearly that isn’t the case.

Police act like laws don't apply to them because of 'qualified immunity.' They're right.

There's a legal obstacle that's nearly impossible to overcome when police officers and government officials violate our constitutional and civil rights.

www.yahoo.com

“Four decades on, qualified immunity routinely shields both the incompetent and those who knowingly violate the law. In the past year alone — along with the two cases above — courts have granted qualified immunity to:

►Officers who stole $225,000.

►A cop who shot a 10-year-old while trying to shoot a nonthreatening family dog.

►Prison officials who locked an inmate in a sewage-flooded cell for days.

►SWAT team members who fired gas grenades into an innocent woman’s empty home.

►Medical board officials who rifled through a doctor’s client files without a warrant.

►County officials who held a 14-year-old in pretrial solitary confinement for over a month.

►A cop who body-slammed a 5-foot-tall woman for walking away from him.

►Police who picked up a mentally infirmed man, drove him to the county line and dropped him off at dusk along the highway, where he was later struck and killed by a motorist.”

You are correct
It is not as much a black and white issue as cops given broad latitude to use lethal force

Lack of judgement and indifference to safety that would lead to manslaughter charges against a common citizen

It’s rather shocking and makes you wonder when this law would be addressed by the current SC.

A large portion of the right side of the SC has issues with qualified immunity as currently used. The issue is it's not just cops that use it, but many government actors.

It’s true this applies to other government officials, but the level of abuse of this is mainly done by law enforcement.

My concern is the left side of the SC would favor government power protection in general, and thus let QI survive in its current guise.

My concern is that the right side of the SC supports the boys in blue as usual.

Thomas has always had doubts over QI, especially as used currently. I don't think Kavenaugh or Gorsch like it too much either.

 

[Billy000]

Police are rarely prosecuted for their misconduct because of a 1982 Supreme Court decision. The SC maintained at the time this wouldn’t be misappropriated, but clearly that isn’t the case.

Police act like laws don't apply to them because of 'qualified immunity.' They're right.

There's a legal obstacle that's nearly impossible to overcome when police officers and government officials violate our constitutional and civil rights.

www.yahoo.com

“Four decades on, qualified immunity routinely shields both the incompetent and those who knowingly violate the law. In the past year alone — along with the two cases above — courts have granted qualified immunity to:

►Officers who stole $225,000.

►A cop who shot a 10-year-old while trying to shoot a nonthreatening family dog.

►Prison officials who locked an inmate in a sewage-flooded cell for days.

►SWAT team members who fired gas grenades into an innocent woman’s empty home.

►Medical board officials who rifled through a doctor’s client files without a warrant.

►County officials who held a 14-year-old in pretrial solitary confinement for over a month.

►A cop who body-slammed a 5-foot-tall woman for walking away from him.

►Police who picked up a mentally infirmed man, drove him to the county line and dropped him off at dusk along the highway, where he was later struck and killed by a motorist.”

You are correct
It is not as much a black and white issue as cops given broad latitude to use lethal force

Lack of judgement and indifference to safety that would lead to manslaughter charges against a common citizen

It’s rather shocking and makes you wonder when this law would be addressed by the current SC.

A large portion of the right side of the SC has issues with qualified immunity as currently used. The issue is it's not just cops that use it, but many government actors.

It’s true this applies to other government officials, but the level of abuse of this is mainly done by law enforcement.

My concern is the left side of the SC would favor government power protection in general, and thus let QI survive in its current guise.

My concern is that the right side of the SC supports the boys in blue as usual.

Thomas has always had doubts over QI, especially as used currently. I don't think Kavenaugh or Gorsch like it too much either.

Or perhaps they all like it because it benefits them.

 

[martybegan]

Police are rarely prosecuted for their misconduct because of a 1982 Supreme Court decision. The SC maintained at the time this wouldn’t be misappropriated, but clearly that isn’t the case.

Police act like laws don't apply to them because of 'qualified immunity.' They're right.

There's a legal obstacle that's nearly impossible to overcome when police officers and government officials violate our constitutional and civil rights.

www.yahoo.com

“Four decades on, qualified immunity routinely shields both the incompetent and those who knowingly violate the law. In the past year alone — along with the two cases above — courts have granted qualified immunity to:

►Officers who stole $225,000.

►A cop who shot a 10-year-old while trying to shoot a nonthreatening family dog.

►Prison officials who locked an inmate in a sewage-flooded cell for days.

►SWAT team members who fired gas grenades into an innocent woman’s empty home.

►Medical board officials who rifled through a doctor’s client files without a warrant.

►County officials who held a 14-year-old in pretrial solitary confinement for over a month.

►A cop who body-slammed a 5-foot-tall woman for walking away from him.

►Police who picked up a mentally infirmed man, drove him to the county line and dropped him off at dusk along the highway, where he was later struck and killed by a motorist.”

You are correct
It is not as much a black and white issue as cops given broad latitude to use lethal force

Lack of judgement and indifference to safety that would lead to manslaughter charges against a common citizen

It’s rather shocking and makes you wonder when this law would be addressed by the current SC.

A large portion of the right side of the SC has issues with qualified immunity as currently used. The issue is it's not just cops that use it, but many government actors.

It’s true this applies to other government officials, but the level of abuse of this is mainly done by law enforcement.

My concern is the left side of the SC would favor government power protection in general, and thus let QI survive in its current guise.

My concern is that the right side of the SC supports the boys in blue as usual.

Thomas has always had doubts over QI, especially as used currently. I don't think Kavenaugh or Gorsch like it too much either.

Or perhaps they all like it because it benefits them.

It has nothing to do with the judiciary.

 

[Billy000]

Police are rarely prosecuted for their misconduct because of a 1982 Supreme Court decision. The SC maintained at the time this wouldn’t be misappropriated, but clearly that isn’t the case.

Police act like laws don't apply to them because of 'qualified immunity.' They're right.

There's a legal obstacle that's nearly impossible to overcome when police officers and government officials violate our constitutional and civil rights.

www.yahoo.com

“Four decades on, qualified immunity routinely shields both the incompetent and those who knowingly violate the law. In the past year alone — along with the two cases above — courts have granted qualified immunity to:

►Officers who stole $225,000.

►A cop who shot a 10-year-old while trying to shoot a nonthreatening family dog.

►Prison officials who locked an inmate in a sewage-flooded cell for days.

►SWAT team members who fired gas grenades into an innocent woman’s empty home.

►Medical board officials who rifled through a doctor’s client files without a warrant.

►County officials who held a 14-year-old in pretrial solitary confinement for over a month.

►A cop who body-slammed a 5-foot-tall woman for walking away from him.

►Police who picked up a mentally infirmed man, drove him to the county line and dropped him off at dusk along the highway, where he was later struck and killed by a motorist.”

You are correct
It is not as much a black and white issue as cops given broad latitude to use lethal force

Lack of judgement and indifference to safety that would lead to manslaughter charges against a common citizen

It’s rather shocking and makes you wonder when this law would be addressed by the current SC.

A large portion of the right side of the SC has issues with qualified immunity as currently used. The issue is it's not just cops that use it, but many government actors.

It’s true this applies to other government officials, but the level of abuse of this is mainly done by law enforcement.

My concern is the left side of the SC would favor government power protection in general, and thus let QI survive in its current guise.

My concern is that the right side of the SC supports the boys in blue as usual.

Thomas has always had doubts over QI, especially as used currently. I don't think Kavenaugh or Gorsch like it too much either.

Or perhaps they all like it because it benefits them.

It has nothing to do with the judiciary.

Well is that’s true, I don’t expect the RW judges to be more noble. No way.