The reaction of other passengers in deep blue charlotte nc to the stabbing is almost as horrible as the killing itself

[Woodznutz]

The regime can change laws so that Americans can be locked up on just suspicions that they might start shootinig people.

Basically, it's a question of whether you want more freedom or less freedom. Getting any deeper into the questions is too complicated for this forum. They would have to start thinking of curtailing 2A rights to crazy people. And who gets to say who is crazy?
Forget about it. You can't do what other countries find works because you already know that they're all communist. Maybe look into how other regimes found answers?

Seems simple to me. If you value your freedom, don't abuse it. Lot of thugs don't care if the go to prison or not. Prison time gives them "street cred".

 

[Woodznutz]

Ahhh..... So that's what happened to it

Too many minorities qualified.

 

[Unkotare]

Many, and in fact maybe MOST, Americans aren't exactly fit enough to suddenly stop a crazed knife-wielding fiend who has plenty of past experience being violent, without getting badly hurt themselves. Very likely they'd get slashed or stabbed too. We don't know who else was there on that train or how capable they were. Whenever I pass by a bus stop most of the people waiting there are fat slobs, elderly or milquetoasty pacifist pipsqueaks with blue hair. In the case of the NYC subway attacker who was subdued and later died, there just happened to be a capable male present who took matters into his own hands. Jordan Neely also wasn't armed. If he had been things might have been considerably different. The girl in this case may simply not have been lucky enough to have a guy like Daniel Penny sitting nearby.

A person (or people) wouldn't have to go Chuck Norris on the guy. If one or two adult males got between him and the woman it might have changed the whole dynamic. Just be in his space, get between him and her, change his focus of attention, talk to him for a second, and at least give the poor woman time to go move to another car on the train. Maybe create time for someone who did know what he or she was doing to see what was up and go put the piece of shit on his face until police could board at the next stop.

 

[Paleman]

How does it feel to so old and so miserable?

WTF! Yes, I am old but where in the hell did you get the idea that I am miserable? Adding ti my glee is the fact that I am a life long, proud Conservative, how about you?

 

[Donald H]

A person (or people) wouldn't have to go Chuck Norris on the guy. If one or two adult males got between him and the woman it might have changed the whole dynamic. Just be in his space, change his focus of attention, talk to him for a second, and at least give the poor woman time to go move to another car on the train. Maybe create time for someone who did know what he or she was doing to see what was up and go put the piece of shit on his face until police could board at the next stop.

The emphasis is much more on displaying a target and bragging about how to be there at the right time with a 'concealed carry'.

In other words Ter, it's still the Wild West and wet dreams of being at the O.K. corral.

Let it go, it's just one more added to the list.

 

[Unkotare]

The emphasis is much more on displaying a target and bragging about how to be there at the right time with a 'concealed carry'.

In other words Ter, it's still the Wild West and wet dreams of being at the O.K. corral.

Let it go, it's just one more added to the list.

I've never discharged a firearm in my life, so you need to tell all that to someone else.

 

[BothWings]

A person (or people) wouldn't have to go Chuck Norris on the guy. If one or two adult males got between him and the woman it might have changed the whole dynamic. Just be in his space, change his focus of attention, talk to him for a second, and at least give the poor woman time to go move to another car on the train. Maybe create time for someone who did know what he or she was doing to see what was up and go put the piece of shit on his face until police could board at the next stop.

Neither of us knows who was there or how things really were. One can only comment with confidence on circumstances where those facts are known. Otherwise it's dismissible as pure conjecture to say could've/would've/should've.

 

[Unkotare]

Neither of us knows who was there or how things really were. One can only comment with confidence on circumstances where those facts are known. Otherwise it's dismissible as pure conjecture to say could've/would've/should've.

I'm pretty sure we can say with certainty that if ANYONE on that train had attempted to intervene in any way, that woman would likely be alive today. Hell, you wouldn't even have to get out of your seat. Just yell at the guy, get his attention, let him know people are on to what he's doing. Give the woman a chance.

 

[Donald H]

I've never discharged a firearm in my life, so you need to tell all that to someone else.

I wasn't referring to you Ter.
You should probably learn now how to use a pistol.

 

[Unkotare]

I wasn't referring to you Ter.
You should probably learn now how to use a pistol.

I always thought that was the weak way out. I have spent many, many years training with other weapons (after I convinced myself that any weapon at all was not necessarily the weak way out). When I get a little older and certainly not until the boys are both off to college or beyond, I may think about it. As it stands now, I'm pretty sure I couldn't hit the side of a barn - from inside the barn. I'd almost certainly do myself more harm than good.

 

[Donald H]

I always thought that was the weak way out. I have spent many, many years training with other weapons (after I convinced myself that any weapon at all was not necessarily the weak way out). When I get a little older and certainly not until the boys are both off to college or beyond, I may think about it. As it stands now, I'm pretty sure I couldn't hit the side of a barn - from inside the barn. I'd almost certainly do myself more harm than good.

I'm not interested in your ego.

 

[Unkotare]

I'm not interested in your ego.

"Ego"? Because I admit I almost certainly couldn't shoot worth a damn?

 

[justoffal]

Too many minorities qualified.

Geeez....there's a unsung little piece of legal history that gets a good leaving alone.

 

[Cassandro]

3 strikes laws are indiscriminate. There's a difference between stealing candy 3 times and shooting people 3 times. Your government can't agree where to draw the line.

In fact, there's no way to determine where to draw any line.

Pay attentioo now Ter: Do you lock up a one time wife beater who has also murdered by standing his ground, then is caught stealing candy from a 7/11?

You're a smart teacher ter, you get the picture.

Oh,, and America's jailed are overflowing anyways.

You seem to specialize in irrelevancies.

 

[BothWings]

I always thought that was the weak way out. I have spent many, many years training with other weapons (after I convinced myself that any weapon at all was not necessarily the weak way out). When I get a little older and certainly not until the boys are both off to college or beyond, I may think about it. As it stands now, I'm pretty sure I couldn't hit the side of a barn - from inside the barn. I'd almost certainly do myself more harm than good.

That posture has always made me laugh. I carry everywhere allowed by law, pretty much every day and have for about 16 years. I have never pulled a gun on anyone. I never want to have to. There is ZERO ego involved with me carrying or not carrying. It's not about being a weakling vs a tough guy. I'm a fairly average dude. Up to around the age of 40 I was fairly physically fit and maybe a little above average even. I'm creeping into my mid 50's now and my body is not what it used to be.

I took martial arts for awhile. And a few times it served me well when messed with by some idiot. A knife is a deadly weapon. If I was confronted by a knife wielding person in their thirties who was more spry than me and also far more pumped up and adrenalized with evil things on his mind, guess what. I would give a few warnings and that'd be it. I could not care less whether you or anyone else thinks I should have bared my chest and played Kwai Chang Caine, taking on armed gunmen in the Wild West with his feet and fists. I don't want to get sliced or stabbed, whether it's "just" 10 stitches....or the number of stitches it would take to close me up after an autopsy. I make no apologies for not wanting to find out the hard way that I was out-classed, out-smarted or out-gunned.

 

[Unkotare]

... I'm creeping into my mid 50's now and my body is not what it used to be.

...

Nobody's is. Such is life and time.

 

[Unkotare]

... I carry everywhere allowed by law, pretty much every day and have for about 16 years. ...

It wouldn't make any sense for me to do that since I wouldn't have the first clue what to do with it. I'd probably end up like one of those NFL guys who tucks a pistol into the waistband of his sweatpants and ends up shooting himself in the leg in a club.

 

[BothWings]

Nobody's is. Such is life and time.

No shit. You get it. So why **** around and find out that that your posture is an unrealistic one when dealing with crazy people with weapons?

 

[Unkotare]

... If I was confronted by a knife wielding person in their thirties who was more spry than me and also far more pumped up and adrenalized with evil things on his mind, guess what. I would give a few warnings and that'd be it....

If the guy were within an arm's reach or two, gun or no gun you'd be better off just leaving. Quickly.

 

[BothWings]

If the guy were within an arm's reach or two, gun or no gun you'd be better off just leaving. Quickly.

And if the person doesn't want to let you leave?...and could plunge a knife into you as soon as you turn your back? I wouldn't put my sprinting skills against many 25-year-olds at this point. I noticed that many of your posts are extremely optimistic and you seem to think there is an obvious or easy way out in bad situations and you somehow will always prevail. That is foolish. I don't see anything noble or realistic about your posture on self-defense.