The rapidly disappearing Arctic ice cap - from the experts

[mamooth]

Ignoring the troll, this is an example of the wind spreading over the last month.

 

[RollingThunder]

Oh my, more complete stupidity from Elektra. Someday, she will post something that vaguely makes sense, and surprise us all. In the meantime, the accelerating melt of the ice on Greenland continues.

Tell us about P=IE, or did you forget to go back to that thread, LIAR

Old Crock thinks you calculate power by multiplying resistance by current, and at that, 1 amp can not create 12 watts, which is P=IE or 12w = 1 amp x 12 volts

How come the Old Liar, who is 72 and in college, can not do simple math with simple formulas yet thinks he understands the difference between a hypothesis and a theory?

Actual topic of this thread:
The rapidly disappearing Arctic ice cap - from the experts

The trolls, like Ejakulatra, are constantly trying to derail threads into quibbles about irrelevant details about something that has nothing to do with the actual topic....like right here with this bullshit about electricity.

Watch them, and call them on it....they try to do this all the time.....with any topic that has any real significance.....off into the ozone with irrelevant bullshit and pointless distractions....

So...back on topic! The Arctic and the rapid warming there.

This is what happens when the Arctic warms twice as fast as the rest of the planet
The Washington Post
By Darryl Fears
December 15, 2015
For a second straight year, the Arctic is warming faster than any other place in the world, and walrus populations in the area’s Pacific and Atlantic ocean regions are thinning along with the ice sheets that are critical for their survival, researchers reported Tuesday.

Overall, the outlook for the frozen top of the world is bleak, according to the annual Arctic Report Card: 2015 Update released by the federal National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Since the turn of the last century, it said, the Arctic’s air temperature has increased by more than 5 degrees due to global warming.

Warmer air and sea temperatures melt ice that in turn expands oceans and causes sea-level rise, which scientists say presents a danger to cities along the entire Atlantic coast, from Miami to Washington to Boston. Walrus and other arctic mammals that give birth on ice sheets are struggling with the change, and fish such as cod and Greenland halibut are swimming north from fishermen and animals that feed on them in pursuit of colder waters.

[The Arctic keeps warming. And polar bears are feeling the heat]

NOAA chief scientist Richard Spinrad said changes in the Arctic portend changes that are likely to spread to the wider world — higher air temperatures, longer hot seasons, anomalous weather spikes and fish fleeing north only to be replaced by new species swimming from areas south. “The conclusion that comes to my mind is these report cards are trailing indicators of what’s happening in the Arctic. They can turn out to be leading indicators for the rest of the globe,” Spinrad said.

The annual average surface-air temperature over the period of the report, between October 2014 and September 2015, was nearly 2.5 degrees higher than the time period scientists use as a baseline to compare temperatures, 1981 to 2010. As a result, Alaska was warmer in fall 2014 and winter this year, when the snow pack that usually melts to replenish rivers and moisten the earth was extremely low.

Lightning strikes on dry land sparked that state’s second-worst wildfire season in its history. According to the NOAA report card, “the 2015 spring melt season provided evidence of earlier snow melt across the Arctic” because of the increased warmth. As of early July, the Arctic melt included more than half of the region’s ice sheet for the first time “since the exceptional melt of 2012.” The length of the melt season was up to 4o days longer than that of the average northwestern, northeastern and western regions, the report said.

This year’s findings are largely consistent with the dire findings last year. Dozens of scientists from across the world contribute to the report card, including those from U.S. Naval Research and the Army Corps of Engineers, the Institute of Marine Research in Norway, Knipovich Polar Research Institute of Marine Fisheries and Oceanography in Russia and University of Victoria in Canada.

[A stunning five million acres have burned in Alaskan wildfires this year]

The report cards’ year-to-year consistency will help scientists establish whether they are watching a weather anomaly in a key part of the world or an established trend. “What you see here is stronger confirmation,” Spinrad said.

A separate study focusing on Alaska’s North Slope, which was presented late Tuesday at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union, estimates that the permafrost there will decline rapidly over time because of rising temperatures. Vladimir Romanovsky, head of the Permafrost Laboratory at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, said thinning permafrost is already causing roads and houses built on it to crumble.

“Under these conditions, the permafrost will become unstable beneath any infrastructure such as roads, pipelines and buildings,” Romanovsky said. “The result will be dramatic effects on infrastructure and ecosystems.”

Another researcher at the university, Santosh Panda, said permafrost that covers virtually all of five national parks as large collectively as South Carolina could decline by 10 percent within the next 35 years. “Permafrost degradation is going to touch the whole landscape through changes in water distribution, slope failures and changes in vegetation that will affect wildlife habitat and the aesthetic value of the parks,” Panda said.

In the Arctic, the age of ice generally defines the region’s health. Older ice is thicker, more resilient and resistant to atmospheric changes, and better at supporting mammals. Younger ice is thin and vulnerable to collapse.

An estimated 35,000 walruses are pictured on a beach near the village of Point Lay, Alaska, 700 miles northwest of Anchorage, in September 2014. (Corey Accardo/NOAA/NMFS/AFSC/NMML/Handout via Reuters)

Yet in nearly all Arctic regions, sea ice is decreasing, the report said. In 1985, 85 percent of the region’s ice qualified as old. In March, that fell to 30 percent. “This is the first year that first-year ice dominated the ice cover,” it notes. “Sea ice cover has transformed from a strong, thick pack in the 1980s to a more fragile, thin and younger pack in recent years.”

[The collapse of the Antarctic ice sheet is underway and unstoppable, but will take centuries]

Walruses are starting to teem on land as the ice fades, exposing their young to frequent trampling events. Walruses mate on the edges of ice, and females prefer giving birth and raising pups on old ice, which they use as a base to reach feeding grounds. Now many are on land, and the long path to the feeding areas are filled with animals that prey on them, such as sharks and orcas. That is further reducing walrus numbers, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service concluded in its section of the report.

Ice melt “is already a pervasive threat” to walrus, the agency’s researchers said, but how much of a threat depends on the ability of animals to adapt to change, tolerate it or flee it for more suitable habitat. Scientists estimate that Pacific walrus populations have fallen by half as a result of declining sea ice and hunting. The Atlantic stock, reduced by 80 percent through unregulated hunting between 1900 and 1960, is unknown, but estimates put the population at 25,000.

normal

You mean it's normal for you to be in deep denial about the scientifically observed facts about the accelerating loss of Arctic ice, like the facts I just posted. Well....yeah....we know that.....you ARE a deranged denier cult troll, after all.

well I'd first have to see your facts.

Actually, JustCrazy, since you have been repeatedly SHOWN THE FACTS, the "first" thing you'd have to do "to see the facts" is pull your head out of your ass! After that unlikely event, actually look at and read and try your best to comprehend the OP and posts #6, 20, 23, 25, and 34, for starters.

I haven't seen any from you all on the warmer side yet.

A problem stemming from your previously mentioned 'head-up-ass' position on human caused global warming.

You all keep saying the arctic is ice free and it ain't.

A bald faced lie....one of your specialities, it seems.

No one has said that the Arctic is currently ice-free, numbnuts. What has been claimed, and backed up with scientific evidence, is that the Arctic ice cap is rapidly diminishing in both size, or extent, and volume, or thickness, and that, even at the current rates of decline (which are actually accelerating) the Arctic will be effectively ice free enough for commercial shipping to easily pass through within a decade or so.....for the first time since, at least, the last interglacial period over 115,000 years ago.

So I lose all respect for your ability to understand what makes up a factual piece of data.

LOLOLOL.....since you have repeatedly and conclusively demonstrated your complete inability "to understand what makes up a factual piece of data", your demented opinions on that issue are meaningless.

Especially when the IPCC admits that during the rise of CO2 the temperatures were in a pause for 15 years.

LOLOLOLOLOL....OK, cling to your myths, bozo, but in the real world, the current scientific assessment is that there was no actual "pause"

Global warming 'pause' didn't happen, study finds

No Pause in Global Warming
Scientific American

Global warming 'pause' theory is dead but still twitching
PhysOrg
September 17, 2015

Where do you see the "pause", JustCrazy?

Chart showing average global temperatures from 1850 to 2015 according to three major datasets - HadCrut4 (MetOffice), GISTEMP (NASA) and MLOST (NOAA)

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Chart showing the rising heat content of the world’s oceans Photograph: NOAA

It was so hot in February that NASA now reports that last month beat the all-time global record for hottest February by a stunning 0.85°F, when such records are usually measured in hundredths of a degree.

Global mean surface temperature (anomaly from 1951-1980 mean). NASA data (h/t Tamino). Red dot is February.

 

[jc456]

With this many people feeding you facts, references, explanations, reason... how can your remain so callously and irresponsibly ignorant?

Here. This is a fact.

This is a fact

This is a fact

This is a fact

ps:

You all keep saying the Arctic is ice free and it aint

NO ONE ever said the Arctic was currently ice free. Saying so makes you a liar.

well I'm sorry, but you all did.

 

[jc456]

Ignoring the troll, this is an example of the wind spreading over the last month.

well which is it wind or ice? And what is the legend representing? velocity?

 

[jc456]

Oh my, more complete stupidity from Elektra. Someday, she will post something that vaguely makes sense, and surprise us all. In the meantime, the accelerating melt of the ice on Greenland continues.

Tell us about P=IE, or did you forget to go back to that thread, LIAR

Old Crock thinks you calculate power by multiplying resistance by current, and at that, 1 amp can not create 12 watts, which is P=IE or 12w = 1 amp x 12 volts

How come the Old Liar, who is 72 and in college, can not do simple math with simple formulas yet thinks he understands the difference between a hypothesis and a theory?

Actual topic of this thread:
The rapidly disappearing Arctic ice cap - from the experts

The trolls, like Ejakulatra, are constantly trying to derail threads into quibbles about irrelevant details about something that has nothing to do with the actual topic....like right here with this bullshit about electricity.

Watch them, and call them on it....they try to do this all the time.....with any topic that has any real significance.....off into the ozone with irrelevant bullshit and pointless distractions....

So...back on topic! The Arctic and the rapid warming there.

This is what happens when the Arctic warms twice as fast as the rest of the planet
The Washington Post
By Darryl Fears
December 15, 2015
For a second straight year, the Arctic is warming faster than any other place in the world, and walrus populations in the area’s Pacific and Atlantic ocean regions are thinning along with the ice sheets that are critical for their survival, researchers reported Tuesday.

Overall, the outlook for the frozen top of the world is bleak, according to the annual Arctic Report Card: 2015 Update released by the federal National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Since the turn of the last century, it said, the Arctic’s air temperature has increased by more than 5 degrees due to global warming.

Warmer air and sea temperatures melt ice that in turn expands oceans and causes sea-level rise, which scientists say presents a danger to cities along the entire Atlantic coast, from Miami to Washington to Boston. Walrus and other arctic mammals that give birth on ice sheets are struggling with the change, and fish such as cod and Greenland halibut are swimming north from fishermen and animals that feed on them in pursuit of colder waters.

[The Arctic keeps warming. And polar bears are feeling the heat]

NOAA chief scientist Richard Spinrad said changes in the Arctic portend changes that are likely to spread to the wider world — higher air temperatures, longer hot seasons, anomalous weather spikes and fish fleeing north only to be replaced by new species swimming from areas south. “The conclusion that comes to my mind is these report cards are trailing indicators of what’s happening in the Arctic. They can turn out to be leading indicators for the rest of the globe,” Spinrad said.

The annual average surface-air temperature over the period of the report, between October 2014 and September 2015, was nearly 2.5 degrees higher than the time period scientists use as a baseline to compare temperatures, 1981 to 2010. As a result, Alaska was warmer in fall 2014 and winter this year, when the snow pack that usually melts to replenish rivers and moisten the earth was extremely low.

Lightning strikes on dry land sparked that state’s second-worst wildfire season in its history. According to the NOAA report card, “the 2015 spring melt season provided evidence of earlier snow melt across the Arctic” because of the increased warmth. As of early July, the Arctic melt included more than half of the region’s ice sheet for the first time “since the exceptional melt of 2012.” The length of the melt season was up to 4o days longer than that of the average northwestern, northeastern and western regions, the report said.

This year’s findings are largely consistent with the dire findings last year. Dozens of scientists from across the world contribute to the report card, including those from U.S. Naval Research and the Army Corps of Engineers, the Institute of Marine Research in Norway, Knipovich Polar Research Institute of Marine Fisheries and Oceanography in Russia and University of Victoria in Canada.

[A stunning five million acres have burned in Alaskan wildfires this year]

The report cards’ year-to-year consistency will help scientists establish whether they are watching a weather anomaly in a key part of the world or an established trend. “What you see here is stronger confirmation,” Spinrad said.

A separate study focusing on Alaska’s North Slope, which was presented late Tuesday at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union, estimates that the permafrost there will decline rapidly over time because of rising temperatures. Vladimir Romanovsky, head of the Permafrost Laboratory at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, said thinning permafrost is already causing roads and houses built on it to crumble.

“Under these conditions, the permafrost will become unstable beneath any infrastructure such as roads, pipelines and buildings,” Romanovsky said. “The result will be dramatic effects on infrastructure and ecosystems.”

Another researcher at the university, Santosh Panda, said permafrost that covers virtually all of five national parks as large collectively as South Carolina could decline by 10 percent within the next 35 years. “Permafrost degradation is going to touch the whole landscape through changes in water distribution, slope failures and changes in vegetation that will affect wildlife habitat and the aesthetic value of the parks,” Panda said.

In the Arctic, the age of ice generally defines the region’s health. Older ice is thicker, more resilient and resistant to atmospheric changes, and better at supporting mammals. Younger ice is thin and vulnerable to collapse.

An estimated 35,000 walruses are pictured on a beach near the village of Point Lay, Alaska, 700 miles northwest of Anchorage, in September 2014. (Corey Accardo/NOAA/NMFS/AFSC/NMML/Handout via Reuters)

Yet in nearly all Arctic regions, sea ice is decreasing, the report said. In 1985, 85 percent of the region’s ice qualified as old. In March, that fell to 30 percent. “This is the first year that first-year ice dominated the ice cover,” it notes. “Sea ice cover has transformed from a strong, thick pack in the 1980s to a more fragile, thin and younger pack in recent years.”

[The collapse of the Antarctic ice sheet is underway and unstoppable, but will take centuries]

Walruses are starting to teem on land as the ice fades, exposing their young to frequent trampling events. Walruses mate on the edges of ice, and females prefer giving birth and raising pups on old ice, which they use as a base to reach feeding grounds. Now many are on land, and the long path to the feeding areas are filled with animals that prey on them, such as sharks and orcas. That is further reducing walrus numbers, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service concluded in its section of the report.

Ice melt “is already a pervasive threat” to walrus, the agency’s researchers said, but how much of a threat depends on the ability of animals to adapt to change, tolerate it or flee it for more suitable habitat. Scientists estimate that Pacific walrus populations have fallen by half as a result of declining sea ice and hunting. The Atlantic stock, reduced by 80 percent through unregulated hunting between 1900 and 1960, is unknown, but estimates put the population at 25,000.

normal

You mean it's normal for you to be in deep denial about the scientifically observed facts about the accelerating loss of Arctic ice, like the facts I just posted. Well....yeah....we know that.....you ARE a deranged denier cult troll, after all.

well I'd first have to see your facts.

Actually, JustCrazy, since you have been repeatedly SHOWN THE FACTS, the "first" thing you'd have to do "to see the facts" is pull your head out of your ass! After that unlikely event, actually look at and read and try your best to comprehend the OP and posts #6, 20, 23, 25, and 34, for starters.

I haven't seen any from you all on the warmer side yet.

A problem stemming from your previously mentioned 'head-up-ass' position on human caused global warming.

You all keep saying the arctic is ice free and it ain't.

A bald faced lie....one of your specialities, it seems.

No one has said that the Arctic is currently ice-free, numbnuts. What has been claimed, and backed up with scientific evidence, is that the Arctic ice cap is rapidly diminishing in both size, or extent, and volume, or thickness, and that, even at the current rates of decline (which are actually accelerating) the Arctic will be effectively ice free enough for commercial shipping to easily pass through within a decade or so.....for the first time since, at least, the last interglacial period over 115,000 years ago.

So I lose all respect for your ability to understand what makes up a factual piece of data.

LOLOLOL.....since you have repeatedly and conclusively demonstrated your complete inability "to understand what makes up a factual piece of data", your demented opinions on that issue are meaningless.

Especially when the IPCC admits that during the rise of CO2 the temperatures were in a pause for 15 years.

LOLOLOLOLOL....OK, cling to your myths, bozo, but in the real world, the current scientific assessment is that there was no actual "pause"

Global warming 'pause' didn't happen, study finds

No Pause in Global Warming
Scientific American

Global warming 'pause' theory is dead but still twitching
PhysOrg
September 17, 2015

Where do you see the "pause", JustCrazy?

Chart showing average global temperatures from 1850 to 2015 according to three major datasets - HadCrut4 (MetOffice), GISTEMP (NASA) and MLOST (NOAA)

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Chart showing the rising heat content of the world’s oceans Photograph: NOAA

It was so hot in February that NASA now reports that last month beat the all-time global record for hottest February by a stunning 0.85°F, when such records are usually measured in hundredths of a degree.

Global mean surface temperature (anomaly from 1951-1980 mean). NASA data (h/t Tamino). Red dot is February.

definition of a fact---an observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final)

 

[RollingThunder]

Oh my, more complete stupidity from Elektra. Someday, she will post something that vaguely makes sense, and surprise us all. In the meantime, the accelerating melt of the ice on Greenland continues.

Tell us about P=IE, or did you forget to go back to that thread, LIAR

Old Crock thinks you calculate power by multiplying resistance by current, and at that, 1 amp can not create 12 watts, which is P=IE or 12w = 1 amp x 12 volts

How come the Old Liar, who is 72 and in college, can not do simple math with simple formulas yet thinks he understands the difference between a hypothesis and a theory?

Actual topic of this thread:
The rapidly disappearing Arctic ice cap - from the experts

The trolls, like Ejakulatra, are constantly trying to derail threads into quibbles about irrelevant details about something that has nothing to do with the actual topic....like right here with this bullshit about electricity.

Watch them, and call them on it....they try to do this all the time.....with any topic that has any real significance.....off into the ozone with irrelevant bullshit and pointless distractions....

So...back on topic! The Arctic and the rapid warming there.

This is what happens when the Arctic warms twice as fast as the rest of the planet
The Washington Post
By Darryl Fears
December 15, 2015
For a second straight year, the Arctic is warming faster than any other place in the world, and walrus populations in the area’s Pacific and Atlantic ocean regions are thinning along with the ice sheets that are critical for their survival, researchers reported Tuesday.

Overall, the outlook for the frozen top of the world is bleak, according to the annual Arctic Report Card: 2015 Update released by the federal National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Since the turn of the last century, it said, the Arctic’s air temperature has increased by more than 5 degrees due to global warming.

Warmer air and sea temperatures melt ice that in turn expands oceans and causes sea-level rise, which scientists say presents a danger to cities along the entire Atlantic coast, from Miami to Washington to Boston. Walrus and other arctic mammals that give birth on ice sheets are struggling with the change, and fish such as cod and Greenland halibut are swimming north from fishermen and animals that feed on them in pursuit of colder waters.

[The Arctic keeps warming. And polar bears are feeling the heat]

NOAA chief scientist Richard Spinrad said changes in the Arctic portend changes that are likely to spread to the wider world — higher air temperatures, longer hot seasons, anomalous weather spikes and fish fleeing north only to be replaced by new species swimming from areas south. “The conclusion that comes to my mind is these report cards are trailing indicators of what’s happening in the Arctic. They can turn out to be leading indicators for the rest of the globe,” Spinrad said.

The annual average surface-air temperature over the period of the report, between October 2014 and September 2015, was nearly 2.5 degrees higher than the time period scientists use as a baseline to compare temperatures, 1981 to 2010. As a result, Alaska was warmer in fall 2014 and winter this year, when the snow pack that usually melts to replenish rivers and moisten the earth was extremely low.

Lightning strikes on dry land sparked that state’s second-worst wildfire season in its history. According to the NOAA report card, “the 2015 spring melt season provided evidence of earlier snow melt across the Arctic” because of the increased warmth. As of early July, the Arctic melt included more than half of the region’s ice sheet for the first time “since the exceptional melt of 2012.” The length of the melt season was up to 4o days longer than that of the average northwestern, northeastern and western regions, the report said.

This year’s findings are largely consistent with the dire findings last year. Dozens of scientists from across the world contribute to the report card, including those from U.S. Naval Research and the Army Corps of Engineers, the Institute of Marine Research in Norway, Knipovich Polar Research Institute of Marine Fisheries and Oceanography in Russia and University of Victoria in Canada.

[A stunning five million acres have burned in Alaskan wildfires this year]

The report cards’ year-to-year consistency will help scientists establish whether they are watching a weather anomaly in a key part of the world or an established trend. “What you see here is stronger confirmation,” Spinrad said.

A separate study focusing on Alaska’s North Slope, which was presented late Tuesday at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union, estimates that the permafrost there will decline rapidly over time because of rising temperatures. Vladimir Romanovsky, head of the Permafrost Laboratory at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, said thinning permafrost is already causing roads and houses built on it to crumble.

“Under these conditions, the permafrost will become unstable beneath any infrastructure such as roads, pipelines and buildings,” Romanovsky said. “The result will be dramatic effects on infrastructure and ecosystems.”

Another researcher at the university, Santosh Panda, said permafrost that covers virtually all of five national parks as large collectively as South Carolina could decline by 10 percent within the next 35 years. “Permafrost degradation is going to touch the whole landscape through changes in water distribution, slope failures and changes in vegetation that will affect wildlife habitat and the aesthetic value of the parks,” Panda said.

In the Arctic, the age of ice generally defines the region’s health. Older ice is thicker, more resilient and resistant to atmospheric changes, and better at supporting mammals. Younger ice is thin and vulnerable to collapse.

An estimated 35,000 walruses are pictured on a beach near the village of Point Lay, Alaska, 700 miles northwest of Anchorage, in September 2014. (Corey Accardo/NOAA/NMFS/AFSC/NMML/Handout via Reuters)

Yet in nearly all Arctic regions, sea ice is decreasing, the report said. In 1985, 85 percent of the region’s ice qualified as old. In March, that fell to 30 percent. “This is the first year that first-year ice dominated the ice cover,” it notes. “Sea ice cover has transformed from a strong, thick pack in the 1980s to a more fragile, thin and younger pack in recent years.”

[The collapse of the Antarctic ice sheet is underway and unstoppable, but will take centuries]

Walruses are starting to teem on land as the ice fades, exposing their young to frequent trampling events. Walruses mate on the edges of ice, and females prefer giving birth and raising pups on old ice, which they use as a base to reach feeding grounds. Now many are on land, and the long path to the feeding areas are filled with animals that prey on them, such as sharks and orcas. That is further reducing walrus numbers, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service concluded in its section of the report.

Ice melt “is already a pervasive threat” to walrus, the agency’s researchers said, but how much of a threat depends on the ability of animals to adapt to change, tolerate it or flee it for more suitable habitat. Scientists estimate that Pacific walrus populations have fallen by half as a result of declining sea ice and hunting. The Atlantic stock, reduced by 80 percent through unregulated hunting between 1900 and 1960, is unknown, but estimates put the population at 25,000.

normal

You mean it's normal for you to be in deep denial about the scientifically observed facts about the accelerating loss of Arctic ice, like the facts I just posted. Well....yeah....we know that.....you ARE a deranged denier cult troll, after all.

well I'd first have to see your facts.

Actually, JustCrazy, since you have been repeatedly SHOWN THE FACTS, the "first" thing you'd have to do "to see the facts" is pull your head out of your ass! After that unlikely event, actually look at and read and try your best to comprehend the OP and posts #6, 20, 23, 25, and 34, for starters.

I haven't seen any from you all on the warmer side yet.

A problem stemming from your previously mentioned 'head-up-ass' position on human caused global warming.

You all keep saying the arctic is ice free and it ain't.

A bald faced lie....one of your specialities, it seems.

No one has said that the Arctic is currently ice-free, numbnuts. What has been claimed, and backed up with scientific evidence, is that the Arctic ice cap is rapidly diminishing in both size, or extent, and volume, or thickness, and that, even at the current rates of decline (which are actually accelerating) the Arctic will be effectively ice free enough for commercial shipping to easily pass through within a decade or so.....for the first time since, at least, the last interglacial period over 115,000 years ago.

So I lose all respect for your ability to understand what makes up a factual piece of data.

LOLOLOL.....since you have repeatedly and conclusively demonstrated your complete inability "to understand what makes up a factual piece of data", your demented opinions on that issue are meaningless.

Especially when the IPCC admits that during the rise of CO2 the temperatures were in a pause for 15 years.

LOLOLOLOLOL....OK, cling to your myths, bozo, but in the real world, the current scientific assessment is that there was no actual "pause"

Global warming 'pause' didn't happen, study finds

No Pause in Global Warming
Scientific American

Global warming 'pause' theory is dead but still twitching
PhysOrg
September 17, 2015

Where do you see the "pause", JustCrazy?

Chart showing average global temperatures from 1850 to 2015 according to three major datasets - HadCrut4 (MetOffice), GISTEMP (NASA) and MLOST (NOAA)

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Chart showing the rising heat content of the world’s oceans Photograph: NOAA

It was so hot in February that NASA now reports that last month beat the all-time global record for hottest February by a stunning 0.85°F, when such records are usually measured in hundredths of a degree.

Global mean surface temperature (anomaly from 1951-1980 mean). NASA data (h/t Tamino). Red dot is February.

definition of a fact---an observation that has been confirmed repeatedly and is accepted as true (although its truth is never final)

It is good to see a clueless retard like you, JustCrazy, finally, FINALLY, starting to learn what 'facts' are.....since you have previously been so obviously ignorant about that. Now, all you need to do is actually learn some actual facts and un-learn all of the misinformation and lies you've been fed by the fossil fuel industry propaganda pushers.

 

[skookerasbil]

Oh Gawd...........not this stoopid shit again!!

Nobody cares.........for about 2 decades now!!

 

[skookerasbil]

How many years have we been seeing these arctic ice threads??

Its like group navel contemplation sessions for these people!!

 

[skookerasbil]

Fucking morons!!!!

NASA - Opposite Behaviors? Arctic Sea Ice Shrinks, Antarctic Grows



Growing Antarctic Ice Sheets May Have Sparked Ice Age


http://phys.org/news/2013-10-antarctic-sea-ice.html


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[RollingThunder]

Fucking moron

Yup! You are, in spades!

 

[elektra]

Oh my, more complete stupidity from Elektra. Someday, she will post something that vaguely makes sense, and surprise us all. In the meantime, the accelerating melt of the ice on Greenland continues.

Tell us about P=IE, or did you forget to go back to that thread, LIAR

Old Crock thinks you calculate power by multiplying resistance by current, and at that, 1 amp can not create 12 watts, which is P=IE or 12w = 1 amp x 12 volts

How come the Old Liar, who is 72 and in college, can not do simple math with simple formulas yet thinks he understands the difference between a hypothesis and a theory?

Actual topic of this thread:
The rapidly disappearing Arctic ice cap - from the experts

The trolls, like Ejakulatra, are constantly trying to derail threads into quibbles about irrelevant details about something that has nothing to do with the actual topic....like right here with this bullshit about electricity.

Watch them, and call them on it....they try to do this all the time.....with any topic that has any real significance.....off into the ozone with irrelevant bullshit and pointless distractions....

So...back on topic! The Arctic and the rapid warming there.

This is what happens when the Arctic warms twice as fast as the rest of the planet
The Washington Post
By Darryl Fears
December 15, 2015
For a second straight year, the Arctic is warming faster than any other place in the world, and walrus populations in the area’s Pacific and Atlantic ocean regions are thinning along with the ice sheets that are critical for their survival, researchers reported Tuesday.

Overall, the outlook for the frozen top of the world is bleak, according to the annual Arctic Report Card: 2015 Update released by the federal National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Since the turn of the last century, it said, the Arctic’s air temperature has increased by more than 5 degrees due to global warming.

Warmer air and sea temperatures melt ice that in turn expands oceans and causes sea-level rise, which scientists say presents a danger to cities along the entire Atlantic coast, from Miami to Washington to Boston. Walrus and other arctic mammals that give birth on ice sheets are struggling with the change, and fish such as cod and Greenland halibut are swimming north from fishermen and animals that feed on them in pursuit of colder waters.

[The Arctic keeps warming. And polar bears are feeling the heat]

NOAA chief scientist Richard Spinrad said changes in the Arctic portend changes that are likely to spread to the wider world — higher air temperatures, longer hot seasons, anomalous weather spikes and fish fleeing north only to be replaced by new species swimming from areas south. “The conclusion that comes to my mind is these report cards are trailing indicators of what’s happening in the Arctic. They can turn out to be leading indicators for the rest of the globe,” Spinrad said.

The annual average surface-air temperature over the period of the report, between October 2014 and September 2015, was nearly 2.5 degrees higher than the time period scientists use as a baseline to compare temperatures, 1981 to 2010. As a result, Alaska was warmer in fall 2014 and winter this year, when the snow pack that usually melts to replenish rivers and moisten the earth was extremely low.

Lightning strikes on dry land sparked that state’s second-worst wildfire season in its history. According to the NOAA report card, “the 2015 spring melt season provided evidence of earlier snow melt across the Arctic” because of the increased warmth. As of early July, the Arctic melt included more than half of the region’s ice sheet for the first time “since the exceptional melt of 2012.” The length of the melt season was up to 4o days longer than that of the average northwestern, northeastern and western regions, the report said.

This year’s findings are largely consistent with the dire findings last year. Dozens of scientists from across the world contribute to the report card, including those from U.S. Naval Research and the Army Corps of Engineers, the Institute of Marine Research in Norway, Knipovich Polar Research Institute of Marine Fisheries and Oceanography in Russia and University of Victoria in Canada.

[A stunning five million acres have burned in Alaskan wildfires this year]

The report cards’ year-to-year consistency will help scientists establish whether they are watching a weather anomaly in a key part of the world or an established trend. “What you see here is stronger confirmation,” Spinrad said.

A separate study focusing on Alaska’s North Slope, which was presented late Tuesday at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union, estimates that the permafrost there will decline rapidly over time because of rising temperatures. Vladimir Romanovsky, head of the Permafrost Laboratory at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, said thinning permafrost is already causing roads and houses built on it to crumble.

“Under these conditions, the permafrost will become unstable beneath any infrastructure such as roads, pipelines and buildings,” Romanovsky said. “The result will be dramatic effects on infrastructure and ecosystems.”

Another researcher at the university, Santosh Panda, said permafrost that covers virtually all of five national parks as large collectively as South Carolina could decline by 10 percent within the next 35 years. “Permafrost degradation is going to touch the whole landscape through changes in water distribution, slope failures and changes in vegetation that will affect wildlife habitat and the aesthetic value of the parks,” Panda said.

In the Arctic, the age of ice generally defines the region’s health. Older ice is thicker, more resilient and resistant to atmospheric changes, and better at supporting mammals. Younger ice is thin and vulnerable to collapse.

An estimated 35,000 walruses are pictured on a beach near the village of Point Lay, Alaska, 700 miles northwest of Anchorage, in September 2014. (Corey Accardo/NOAA/NMFS/AFSC/NMML/Handout via Reuters)

Yet in nearly all Arctic regions, sea ice is decreasing, the report said. In 1985, 85 percent of the region’s ice qualified as old. In March, that fell to 30 percent. “This is the first year that first-year ice dominated the ice cover,” it notes. “Sea ice cover has transformed from a strong, thick pack in the 1980s to a more fragile, thin and younger pack in recent years.”

[The collapse of the Antarctic ice sheet is underway and unstoppable, but will take centuries]

Walruses are starting to teem on land as the ice fades, exposing their young to frequent trampling events. Walruses mate on the edges of ice, and females prefer giving birth and raising pups on old ice, which they use as a base to reach feeding grounds. Now many are on land, and the long path to the feeding areas are filled with animals that prey on them, such as sharks and orcas. That is further reducing walrus numbers, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service concluded in its section of the report.

Ice melt “is already a pervasive threat” to walrus, the agency’s researchers said, but how much of a threat depends on the ability of animals to adapt to change, tolerate it or flee it for more suitable habitat. Scientists estimate that Pacific walrus populations have fallen by half as a result of declining sea ice and hunting. The Atlantic stock, reduced by 80 percent through unregulated hunting between 1900 and 1960, is unknown, but estimates put the population at 25,000.

Back on topic, your threads are only about flaming and trolling and ignoring the topic, which is your solution is creating the problem. Constant manufacture of Wind Turbines is the largest source of CO2, giving us nothing in return. Just imagine if General Motors could create a field of cars that nobody can use but everyone must buy as dictated by government, how rich would they be.

Constantly manufacturing, eating up all the natural resources, spewing out millions of tons of CO2, that is your solution? People need to wise up to this scam and recognize the liars.

 

[elektra]

Oh my, more complete stupidity from Elektra. Someday, she will post something that vaguely makes sense, and surprise us all. In the meantime, the accelerating melt of the ice on Greenland continues.

Tell us about P=IE, or did you forget to go back to that thread, LIAR

Old Crock thinks you calculate power by multiplying resistance by current, and at that, 1 amp can not create 12 watts, which is P=IE or 12w = 1 amp x 12 volts

How come the Old Liar, who is 72 and in college, can not do simple math with simple formulas yet thinks he understands the difference between a hypothesis and a theory?

Actual topic of this thread:
The rapidly disappearing Arctic ice cap - from the experts

The trolls, like Ejakulatra, are constantly trying to derail threads into quibbles about irrelevant details about something that has nothing to do with the actual topic....like right here with this bullshit about electricity.

Watch them, and call them on it....they try to do this all the time.....with any topic that has any real significance.....off into the ozone with irrelevant bullshit and pointless distractions....

So...back on topic! The Arctic and the rapid warming there.

This is what happens when the Arctic warms twice as fast as the rest of the planet
The Washington Post
By Darryl Fears
December 15, 2015
For a second straight year, the Arctic is warming faster than any other place in the world, and walrus populations in the area’s Pacific and Atlantic ocean regions are thinning along with the ice sheets that are critical for their survival, researchers reported Tuesday.

Overall, the outlook for the frozen top of the world is bleak, according to the annual Arctic Report Card: 2015 Update released by the federal National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Since the turn of the last century, it said, the Arctic’s air temperature has increased by more than 5 degrees due to global warming.

Warmer air and sea temperatures melt ice that in turn expands oceans and causes sea-level rise, which scientists say presents a danger to cities along the entire Atlantic coast, from Miami to Washington to Boston. Walrus and other arctic mammals that give birth on ice sheets are struggling with the change, and fish such as cod and Greenland halibut are swimming north from fishermen and animals that feed on them in pursuit of colder waters.

[The Arctic keeps warming. And polar bears are feeling the heat]

NOAA chief scientist Richard Spinrad said changes in the Arctic portend changes that are likely to spread to the wider world — higher air temperatures, longer hot seasons, anomalous weather spikes and fish fleeing north only to be replaced by new species swimming from areas south. “The conclusion that comes to my mind is these report cards are trailing indicators of what’s happening in the Arctic. They can turn out to be leading indicators for the rest of the globe,” Spinrad said.

The annual average surface-air temperature over the period of the report, between October 2014 and September 2015, was nearly 2.5 degrees higher than the time period scientists use as a baseline to compare temperatures, 1981 to 2010. As a result, Alaska was warmer in fall 2014 and winter this year, when the snow pack that usually melts to replenish rivers and moisten the earth was extremely low.

Lightning strikes on dry land sparked that state’s second-worst wildfire season in its history. According to the NOAA report card, “the 2015 spring melt season provided evidence of earlier snow melt across the Arctic” because of the increased warmth. As of early July, the Arctic melt included more than half of the region’s ice sheet for the first time “since the exceptional melt of 2012.” The length of the melt season was up to 4o days longer than that of the average northwestern, northeastern and western regions, the report said.

This year’s findings are largely consistent with the dire findings last year. Dozens of scientists from across the world contribute to the report card, including those from U.S. Naval Research and the Army Corps of Engineers, the Institute of Marine Research in Norway, Knipovich Polar Research Institute of Marine Fisheries and Oceanography in Russia and University of Victoria in Canada.

[A stunning five million acres have burned in Alaskan wildfires this year]

The report cards’ year-to-year consistency will help scientists establish whether they are watching a weather anomaly in a key part of the world or an established trend. “What you see here is stronger confirmation,” Spinrad said.

A separate study focusing on Alaska’s North Slope, which was presented late Tuesday at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union, estimates that the permafrost there will decline rapidly over time because of rising temperatures. Vladimir Romanovsky, head of the Permafrost Laboratory at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, said thinning permafrost is already causing roads and houses built on it to crumble.

“Under these conditions, the permafrost will become unstable beneath any infrastructure such as roads, pipelines and buildings,” Romanovsky said. “The result will be dramatic effects on infrastructure and ecosystems.”

Another researcher at the university, Santosh Panda, said permafrost that covers virtually all of five national parks as large collectively as South Carolina could decline by 10 percent within the next 35 years. “Permafrost degradation is going to touch the whole landscape through changes in water distribution, slope failures and changes in vegetation that will affect wildlife habitat and the aesthetic value of the parks,” Panda said.

In the Arctic, the age of ice generally defines the region’s health. Older ice is thicker, more resilient and resistant to atmospheric changes, and better at supporting mammals. Younger ice is thin and vulnerable to collapse.

An estimated 35,000 walruses are pictured on a beach near the village of Point Lay, Alaska, 700 miles northwest of Anchorage, in September 2014. (Corey Accardo/NOAA/NMFS/AFSC/NMML/Handout via Reuters)

Yet in nearly all Arctic regions, sea ice is decreasing, the report said. In 1985, 85 percent of the region’s ice qualified as old. In March, that fell to 30 percent. “This is the first year that first-year ice dominated the ice cover,” it notes. “Sea ice cover has transformed from a strong, thick pack in the 1980s to a more fragile, thin and younger pack in recent years.”

[The collapse of the Antarctic ice sheet is underway and unstoppable, but will take centuries]

Walruses are starting to teem on land as the ice fades, exposing their young to frequent trampling events. Walruses mate on the edges of ice, and females prefer giving birth and raising pups on old ice, which they use as a base to reach feeding grounds. Now many are on land, and the long path to the feeding areas are filled with animals that prey on them, such as sharks and orcas. That is further reducing walrus numbers, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service concluded in its section of the report.

Ice melt “is already a pervasive threat” to walrus, the agency’s researchers said, but how much of a threat depends on the ability of animals to adapt to change, tolerate it or flee it for more suitable habitat. Scientists estimate that Pacific walrus populations have fallen by half as a result of declining sea ice and hunting. The Atlantic stock, reduced by 80 percent through unregulated hunting between 1900 and 1960, is unknown, but estimates put the population at 25,000.

normal

You mean it's normal for you to be in deep denial about the scientifically observed facts about the accelerating loss of Arctic ice, like the facts I just posted. Well....yeah....we know that.....you ARE a deranged denier cult troll, after all.

Your quips are tiresome, on a side note you are claiming Walruses have no more edges of ice to mate on? Right!

 

[Crick]

Less. And as the edges move northward, the water becomes deeper. Bottom feeding walruses can't stay with the ice edge without starving. So they shift to the shorelines of Alaska and Canada. Now they have a miles long swim to their feeding grounds, the young face much greater odds of being trampled by adults and both in the water and on land, face predators they never faced on the ice edge they evolved to inhabit.

Got some witty repartee to save them?

 

[elektra]

Less. And as the edges move northward, the water becomes deeper. Bottom feeding walruses can't stay with the ice edge without starving. So they shift to the shorelines of Alaska and Canada. Now they have a miles long swim to their feeding grounds, the young face much greater odds of being trampled by adults and both in the water and on land, face predators they never faced on the ice edge they evolved to inhabit.

Got some witty repartee to save them?

Yea, they live in the Hudson Bay, where the sea ice is above average.
Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

This year’s maximum ice extent was the lowest in the satellite record, with below-average ice conditions everywhere except in the Labrador Sea, Baffin Bay, and Hudson Bay.

 

[Old Rocks]

With this many people feeding you facts, references, explanations, reason... how can your remain so callously and irresponsibly ignorant?

Here. This is a fact.

This is a fact

This is a fact

This is a fact

ps:

You all keep saying the Arctic is ice free and it aint

NO ONE ever said the Arctic was currently ice free. Saying so makes you a liar.

well I'm sorry, but you all did.

No, you are not sorry at all, you are simply a liar. No one has stated that the Arctic is ice free, or has been ice free for many tens of thousands of years. But before 2050 for sure, and very likely before 2030, it will be for a brief time in the summer. Possibly even before 2020.

 

[Old Rocks]

Fucking morons!!!!

NASA - Opposite Behaviors? Arctic Sea Ice Shrinks, Antarctic Grows



Growing Antarctic Ice Sheets May Have Sparked Ice Age


http://phys.org/news/2013-10-antarctic-sea-ice.html

Bullshit.

Southern Hemisphere Sea Ice Area

 

[elektra]

With this many people feeding you facts, references, explanations, reason... how can your remain so callously and irresponsibly ignorant?

Here. This is a fact.

This is a fact

This is a fact

This is a fact

ps:

You all keep saying the Arctic is ice free and it aint

NO ONE ever said the Arctic was currently ice free. Saying so makes you a liar.

well I'm sorry, but you all did.

No, you are not sorry at all, you are simply a liar. No one has stated that the Arctic is ice free, or has been ice free for many tens of thousands of years. But before 2050 for sure, and very likely before 2030, it will be for a brief time in the summer. Possibly even before 2020.

Your a liar if you won't link, your standard old crock, you rules, link or be seen as a liar.

 

[Old Rocks]

Less. And as the edges move northward, the water becomes deeper. Bottom feeding walruses can't stay with the ice edge without starving. So they shift to the shorelines of Alaska and Canada. Now they have a miles long swim to their feeding grounds, the young face much greater odds of being trampled by adults and both in the water and on land, face predators they never faced on the ice edge they evolved to inhabit.

Got some witty repartee to save them?

Yea, they live in the Hudson Bay, where the sea ice is above average.
Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

This year’s maximum ice extent was the lowest in the satellite record, with below-average ice conditions everywhere except in the Labrador Sea, Baffin Bay, and Hudson Bay.

Basic Facts About Walruses

The walrus is circumpolar in its range but they are found in geographically separate areas. The Pacific walrus is found in the Bering, Chukchi, and Laptev Sea, while the Atlantic walrus inhabits the coastal regions of northeastern Canada and Greenland.

Really, Elektra?

 

[Old Rocks]

With this many people feeding you facts, references, explanations, reason... how can your remain so callously and irresponsibly ignorant?

Here. This is a fact.

This is a fact

This is a fact

This is a fact

ps:

You all keep saying the Arctic is ice free and it aint

NO ONE ever said the Arctic was currently ice free. Saying so makes you a liar.

well I'm sorry, but you all did.

No, you are not sorry at all, you are simply a liar. No one has stated that the Arctic is ice free, or has been ice free for many tens of thousands of years. But before 2050 for sure, and very likely before 2030, it will be for a brief time in the summer. Possibly even before 2020.

Your a liar if you won't link, your standard old crock, you rules, link or be seen as a liar.

Now dumb fuck, how can one link to what has never been stated? No reputable source has stated that the Arctic Ocean is ice free, or has been for tens of thousands of years.

 

[elektra]

Basic Facts About Walruses
The walrus is circumpolar in its range but they are found in geographically separate areas. The Pacific walrus is found in the Bering, Chukchi, and Laptev Sea, while the Atlantic walrus inhabits the coastal regions of northeastern Canada and Greenland.
Really, Elektra?

Yes Old Crock, they REALLY live in the Hudson Bay. Yep, those Democrats really know Science, the Earth, they are so smart, yet here we got to show that the Hudson Bay is actually full of Ice and that is where Walruses live.

Walrus

Walrus
The walrus is a tusked, fin-footed mammal. In Canada, the Atlantic walrus is found primarily along the northern coasts of Hudson Bay, Davis Strait, Foxe Basin and Baffin Bay.