The question must be asked...

[occupied]

This shit got much bigger and more open because all the hate groups thought they had an ally in Trump, seems they were right. Until he makes an actual effort to distance himself from these nazi fuckwits he owns them and their actions. These conspicuous silences and half-assed statements that place blame on the victims are his fault, not the media.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why does the media want Donald Trump to accept some kind of responsibility for the Alt-Right and neo-Nazis, when they didn't pressure Barack Obama to denounce Black Lives Matter, ANTIFA, and the Occupy Wall Street movement?

Trump hammered Obama relentlessly with the charge that Obama would not call Islamic terrorism by its name.

That's your answer. Figure it out.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Trump's base is all he has left and the white supremacists are in that base.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And, in accordance with my thread 'the question is',

the white supremacist sympathizers show themselves one by one.

 

[JGalt]

Why does the media want Donald Trump to accept some kind of responsibility for the Alt-Right and neo-Nazis, when they didn't pressure Barack Obama to denounce Black Lives Matter, ANTIFA, and the Occupy Wall Street movement?

Trump hammered Obama relentlessly with the charge that Obama would not call Islamic terrorism by its name.

That's your answer. Figure it out.

So? Did Obama ever come forward and actually say "Radical Islamic Terrorist?

When you at war with someone, you better be prepared to at least call them by their proper name.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why does the media want Donald Trump to accept some kind of responsibility for the Alt-Right and neo-Nazis, when they didn't pressure Barack Obama to denounce Black Lives Matter, ANTIFA, and the Occupy Wall Street movement?

Trump hammered Obama relentlessly with the charge that Obama would not call Islamic terrorism by its name.

That's your answer. Figure it out.

So? Did Obama ever come forward and actually say "Radical Islamic Terrorist?

When you at war with someone, you better be prepared to at least call them by their proper name.

That's the point. Trump isn't at war with the white supremacists. He's allied with them.

 

[JGalt]

And, in accordance with my thread 'the question is',

the white supremacist sympathizers show themselves one by one.

No worse than your sympathy with radical black separationist groups, communist insurgents, and radical Islamic groups.

You've shown yourself numerous times to be allied with those shitheads. If not allied with them, pretty damned tolerant of them. Doesn't that make you a shithead by proxy?

 

[NYcarbineer]

And, in accordance with my thread 'the question is',

the white supremacist sympathizers show themselves one by one.

No worse than your sympathy with radical black separationist groups, communist insurgents, and radical Islamic groups.

You've shown yourself numerous times to be allied with those shitheads. If not allied with them, pretty damned tolerant of them. That makes you a shithead by proxy.

Don't lie about what I believe. You have more than enough things to lie about to occupy your time.

 

[BluesLegend]

I don't hear the media or congressional leaders from BOTH parties calling for Trump to take responsibility. They are calling for him to give a clear and direct condemnation of the hate groups that instigated the violence. Why he tiptoes around this in contrast to how he handles other situations is pretty mind blowing

That's what I meant: "condemnation". Not so much accepting responsibility, but condemning them.

I never heard Obama or any member of Congress condemn BLM or the Occupy Movement. Pelosi and Hillary actually had good things to say about them.

Even legal scholars on the left voiced concerns about the tolerance and even support of lawlessness by Democrats. The rule of law only works if people choose to obey the law, when leaders in government choose not to obey the law, and encourage others to break the law, a lawless society is not far off.

Wow, I actually agree with that statement unless we are talking about the federalism debate as I believe that states have the right to make their own laws if if they are contrary to federal laws within reason

We are talking about human behavior and the inclination of humans to be lawless and corrupt. We have several thousand years of examples. The Federal government does everything it can to take power from the states. State government does everything it can to take power from local communities, and so on and so forth.

The I'm going to get mine mentality has become deeply rooted in government, the law be damned.

 

[Slade3200]

I don't hear the media or congressional leaders from BOTH parties calling for Trump to take responsibility. They are calling for him to give a clear and direct condemnation of the hate groups that instigated the violence. Why he tiptoes around this in contrast to how he handles other situations is pretty mind blowing

That's what I meant: "condemnation". Not so much accepting responsibility, but condemning them.

I never heard Obama or any member of Congress condemn BLM or the Occupy Movement. Pelosi and Hillary actually had good things to say about them.

Even legal scholars on the left voiced concerns about the tolerance and even support of lawlessness by Democrats. The rule of law only works if people choose to obey the law, when leaders in government choose not to obey the law, and encourage others to break the law, a lawless society is not far off.

Wow, I actually agree with that statement unless we are talking about the federalism debate as I believe that states have the right to make their own laws if if they are contrary to federal laws within reason

We are talking about human behavior and the inclination of humans to be lawless and corrupt. We have several thousand years of examples. The Federal government does everything it can to take power from the states. State government does everything it can to take power from local communities, and so on and so forth.

The I'm going to get mine mentality has become deeply rooted in government, the law be damned.

So what are you supporting? central government rules all? States rights? Local government rights?

 

[JGalt]

And, in accordance with my thread 'the question is',

the white supremacist sympathizers show themselves one by one.

No worse than your sympathy with radical black separationist groups, communist insurgents, and radical Islamic groups.

You've shown yourself numerous times to be allied with those shitheads. If not allied with them, pretty damned tolerant of them. That makes you a shithead by proxy.

Don't lie about what I believe. You have more than enough things to lie about to occupy your time.

What you believe is plain as day. I don't sympathize with the neo-nazi movement, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.

Historically leftists have a far larger body count than any movement started by some German paper-hanger. Six million Jews marched off to the gas chambers pales in comparison with the over 150 million people communism has murdered. You don't see that?

150,000,000 > 6,000,000 Simple math, you get it?

And don't tell me communism is different than socialism is different than Marxism is different than Democratic Socialism is different that leftism. They are all one and the same.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why does the media want Donald Trump to accept some kind of responsibility for the Alt-Right and neo-Nazis, when they didn't pressure Barack Obama to denounce Black Lives Matter, ANTIFA, and the Occupy Wall Street movement?

This is a lie and fails as a strawman fallacy.

‘The media’ do not want Trump to ‘take responsibility’ for the violent acts of rightwing bigots and racists.

Americans across the political spectrum – Democrats and Republicans alike – have appropriately denounced Trump’s failure to condemn the violence that is practiced by the Alt-Right, white supremacists, and nativist rightwing extremists.

The responsibility belongs to the hateful, violent right – it was Trump’s responsibility to acknowledge that fact, and at that Trump has indeed failed.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And, in accordance with my thread 'the question is',

the white supremacist sympathizers show themselves one by one.

No worse than your sympathy with radical black separationist groups, communist insurgents, and radical Islamic groups.

You've shown yourself numerous times to be allied with those shitheads. If not allied with them, pretty damned tolerant of them. That makes you a shithead by proxy.

Don't lie about what I believe. You have more than enough things to lie about to occupy your time.

What you believe is plain as day. I don't sympathize with the neo-nazi movement, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.

Historically leftists have a far larger body count than any movement started by some German paper-hanger. Six million Jews marched off to the gas chambers pales in comparison with the over 150 million people communism has murdered. You don't see that?

150,000,000 > 6,000,000 Simple math, you get it?

And don't tell me communism is different than socialism is different than Marxism is different than Democratic Socialism is different that leftism. They are all one and the same.

So now you're accusing me of being a Stalinist?

Goddam this gets better every minute.

 

[JGalt]

And, in accordance with my thread 'the question is',

the white supremacist sympathizers show themselves one by one.

No worse than your sympathy with radical black separationist groups, communist insurgents, and radical Islamic groups.

You've shown yourself numerous times to be allied with those shitheads. If not allied with them, pretty damned tolerant of them. That makes you a shithead by proxy.

Don't lie about what I believe. You have more than enough things to lie about to occupy your time.

What you believe is plain as day. I don't sympathize with the neo-nazi movement, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.

Historically leftists have a far larger body count than any movement started by some German paper-hanger. Six million Jews marched off to the gas chambers pales in comparison with the over 150 million people communism has murdered. You don't see that?

150,000,000 > 6,000,000 Simple math, you get it?

And don't tell me communism is different than socialism is different than Marxism is different than Democratic Socialism is different that leftism. They are all one and the same.

So now you're accusing me of being a Stalinist?

Goddam this gets better every minute.

I might as well add another 50 million to your body count. You do support abortion, right?

And most of those were black, so not looking too good for your side Bubba.

 

[Timmy]

You compare black lives matter to neo nazis ?

One is a group that condemns police brutality. The other wants to eliminate minorities from this country !?

 

[Slade3200]

And, in accordance with my thread 'the question is',

the white supremacist sympathizers show themselves one by one.

No worse than your sympathy with radical black separationist groups, communist insurgents, and radical Islamic groups.

You've shown yourself numerous times to be allied with those shitheads. If not allied with them, pretty damned tolerant of them. That makes you a shithead by proxy.

Don't lie about what I believe. You have more than enough things to lie about to occupy your time.

What you believe is plain as day. I don't sympathize with the neo-nazi movement, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.

Historically leftists have a far larger body count than any movement started by some German paper-hanger. Six million Jews marched off to the gas chambers pales in comparison with the over 150 million people communism has murdered. You don't see that?

150,000,000 > 6,000,000 Simple math, you get it?

And don't tell me communism is different than socialism is different than Marxism is different than Democratic Socialism is different that leftism. They are all one and the same.

That last statement of yours couldn't be more wrong. That's like saying a guy that murders a woman is the same as a guy that rapes a women is the same as a guy that hits a woman is the same as a guy that disrespects a woman.... degrees matter. Stop conflating, it's dishonest and innacurrate.

Do you consider republicans equal to conservatives equal to anarchists?

 

[JGalt]

You compare black lives matter to neo nazis ?

One is a group that condemns police brutality. The other wants to eliminate minorities from this country !?

Does BLM's wanting to condemn police brutality include the methodical murder of police officers?

 

[JGalt]

And, in accordance with my thread 'the question is',

the white supremacist sympathizers show themselves one by one.

No worse than your sympathy with radical black separationist groups, communist insurgents, and radical Islamic groups.

You've shown yourself numerous times to be allied with those shitheads. If not allied with them, pretty damned tolerant of them. That makes you a shithead by proxy.

Don't lie about what I believe. You have more than enough things to lie about to occupy your time.

What you believe is plain as day. I don't sympathize with the neo-nazi movement, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.

Historically leftists have a far larger body count than any movement started by some German paper-hanger. Six million Jews marched off to the gas chambers pales in comparison with the over 150 million people communism has murdered. You don't see that?

150,000,000 > 6,000,000 Simple math, you get it?

And don't tell me communism is different than socialism is different than Marxism is different than Democratic Socialism is different that leftism. They are all one and the same.

That last statement of yours couldn't be more wrong. That's like saying a guy that murders a woman is the same as a guy that rapes a women is the same as a guy that hits a woman is the same as a guy that disrespects a woman.... degrees matter. Stop conflating, it's dishonest and innacurrate.

Do you consider republicans equal to conservatives equal to anarchists?

No, anarchists are generally leftists.

But the general consensus among leftists here is that conservatives=Republicans=fascists=Nazis.

It's been stated that way many times.

 

[dblack]

Why does the media want Donald Trump to accept some kind of responsibility for the Alt-Right and neo-Nazis, when they didn't pressure Barack Obama to denounce Black Lives Matter, ANTIFA, and the Occupy Wall Street movement?

I can't speak for the media, but what I want from Donald Trump is simple: Nothing. I want him to keep his mouth shut and do nothing. Everything he does says is either embarrassing or a con. The sooner he's gone the better.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why does the media want Donald Trump to accept some kind of responsibility for the Alt-Right and neo-Nazis, when they didn't pressure Barack Obama to denounce Black Lives Matter, ANTIFA, and the Occupy Wall Street movement?

This also fails as a false comparison fallacy and red herring fallacy.

Unlike the Alt-Right, white supremacists, and nativist rightwing extremist groups, organizations such as Black Lives Matter or the Occupy Wall Street movement do not advocate violence as a means to advance their agenda.

Moreover, what Black Lives Matter or Occupy Wall Street may or may not have done is not at issue, and President Obama is no longer in office, where attempts to reference either is a failed attempt by you and other conservatives to deflect from the fact that Trump and his bellicose rhetoric have emboldened rightwing bigots and racists, giving them license to commit violent acts, and where Trump has failed to condemn the hateful, violent right by name.

This is understandable, of course, since Trump, his supporters, and others on the right are fearful of alienating the hateful right who make up much of his base, and whose votes they’re loathed to lose.