Shusha
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Again, what the **** are you talking about? First, we've never discussed Sudan and South Sudan and second, do you know how the borders between the two were established?
The Propaganda Trash that Forum Outcasts wanted you to swallow . Which many of you did.
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Kruska
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Where did you state NATION?
Toddsterpatriot said:
Excellent.
No Palestine before 1948.
No Palestine between 1948 and 1967.
No Palestine after 1967.
And latest in 2012, even the UN has recognized a Palestinian State.
UNITED NATIONS The United Nations voted overwhelmingly Thursday to recognize a Palestinian state, a long-sought victory for the Palestinians but an embarrassing diplomatic defeat for the United States. And was approved by a more than two-thirds majority of the 193-member world body -- a vote of 138, -9, with 41 abstentions.
Living in constant denial of facts - doesn't bother you at all? - please do go and see a psychiatrist
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You still have your head up your Mohammad. That’s the US govt, that designated Hamas as ******* terrorist animals. Since your allegiance is to foreign terrorists that hate and kill Americans, perhaps you prefer reading Hamas’ book of lies about Abdul and Fatima.
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Response to post #285, which for some reason I am not able to quote:
Ah. I see the problem. In the speed of the conversation, I missed that one of your responses was specifically directed towards the Golan Heights and not generally towards the entire territory.
For clarity: I agree that there is a definitive legal border between Israel and Syria and that border should remain intact under conditions of a peace treaty between the two States. (I also think that is untenable under current conditions, but the law is clear).
Ah. I see the problem. In the speed of the conversation, I missed that one of your responses was specifically directed towards the Golan Heights and not generally towards the entire territory.
For clarity: I agree that there is a definitive legal border between Israel and Syria and that border should remain intact under conditions of a peace treaty between the two States. (I also think that is untenable under current conditions, but the law is clear).
Toddsterpatriot
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Where did you state NATION?
We're talking about the "neighborhood" of Palestine? Ok.
And latest in 2012, even the UN has recognized a Palestinian State.
2012? Didn't they recognize it in 1948? Why not?
Living in constant denial of facts
I'd never deny there was no Palestine before 1948.
No Palestine between 1948 and 1967.
No Palestine after 1967.
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Palestinians are the newest of all the peoples on the face of the Earth, and began to exist in a single day by a kind of supernatural phenomenon that is unique in the whole history of mankind.
Kruska
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the petulant little Zionist, has now entered the stage of going into swear words towards me. - no surprise there.Via the Comprehensive Peace Agreement (CPA) in 2005, mediated by the (IGAD). Mandated and supervised by the UN via the UNAMIS mission since 2004. - followed up by the UN UNMIS mission in 2005, tasked with implementing the CPA.
The Secretary-General then appointed Jan Pronk as his Special Representative for the Sudan and head of UNAMIS, who led UN peacemaking support to the IGAD-mediated talks on the North-South conflict, as well as to the African Union-mediated talks on the conflict in Darfur, a region in the western part of the Sudan.
After years of planning, preparation, and anticipation, southern Sudanese citizens began voting in the week-long referendum on southern independence on January 9, 2011. Preliminary results, released at the end of January, indicated that almost 99 percent of voters opted in favor of seceding from the north. That was confirmed with the announcement of the final results in February. Southern independence was scheduled for July 9, 2011.
Therefore, being safeguarded by the UN UNMISS mission initiated in 2011 - you dolt.
And until today both sides are still in disagreement about the exact border definition.
Under Resolution 2677 (2023), the Security Council determined that the situation in South Sudan continues to constitute a threat to international peace and security in the region.
The Council extended the UNMISS mandate until 15 March 2024. It also emphasized that the Mission should continue advancing its three-year strategic vision defined in resolution 2567 (2021) to prevent a return to civil war, build durable peace and support inclusive, accountable governance as well as free, fair and peaceful elections in accordance with the Revitalized Peace Agreement.
Under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations, UNMISS is therefore authorized to use all necessary means to implement its mandate.
Kruska
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Off-course you don't - only the UN members and Syria. Since Israel "illegally" annexed the Golan-heights.
So far only recognized - no surprise - by the USA.
Kruska
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Since when?
Ask yourself
Wrong - let me help you on that one - 2012 is AFTER 1967.
Toddsterpatriot
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No Palestine in 1966.
No Palestine in 1967.
No Palestine in 1968.
It took until 2012? Hilarious!
And it still isn't a state.
I have difficulty understanding why any American who is not a Muslim would support the Palestinians against Israel. The Palestinians supported our enemies during World War II, the Cold War, and the War in the Gulf. When the Twin Towers were destroyed Palestinians celebrated.
Of course you don't have a credible source for your Hasbara drivel but it's well documented that Zionist terrorists were bayonetting pregnant women in the abdomen long before Hamas came along.
Your "heros" at work:
“Deir Yasin Massacre, 09.04.1948”
EXCERPT " One of the worst Zionist massacres committed against Palestinians is the Deir Yasin massacre. Defenceless Palestinian civilians were tortured before being massacres and their bodies mutilated. Women and children were raped, babies were butchered and pregnant women were bayoneted." CONTINUED
I am an American Veteran who walked and hitch-hiked throughout the Middle East for 10 - 11 months to see for myself what was going on between the US, Israel and the Islamic world..
Before that, I began following Middle Eastern history and events when the Israelis deliberately attacked America's USS Liberty and murdered 34 American G.I.s in 1967.
Our cowardly "ally" even strafed lowered life rafts in an attempt to murder the whole crew.
Before that, our "ally" firebombed American installations in Egypt and tried to blame the crime on the Egyptians so that the US would attack the Egyptians (Lavon Affair)
The same "ally" refused to share intelligence that would have saved 241 US Marines but let the attack occur to engender more anti Islamic sentiments.(1)
Finally, the Arabs were not the only ones dancing on 9/11.
Mossad agents who knew in advance of 9/11 set up their cameras before the planes crashed and danced for joy at America's tragedy.(2)
Netanyahu, too, commented on the ways in which 9/11 would benefit Israel more than anyone else:
"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. (Netanyahu) He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."
Not only has our "ally" repeatedly betrayed the US in the past, Israel continues to steal America's top secrets and sell them to hostile governments. (3)
I certainly don't want to see the destruction of Israel and realize that there are many honest, decent and ethical Israelis but simply feel that Israel's lobbies have too much power over the US Government and extracts more American blood and money than any other government.
Thanks,
(1). "More Real History Revealed: Did Israel Deliberately Allow 241 American Marines To Die? (1983 Marine Barracks Bombing)"
EXCERPT "Yes, says Victor Ostrovsky, a former Israeli secret agent. In a new book, By Way of Deception: A Devastating Insider's Portrait of the Mossad, Mr. Ostrovsky says the Israelis had advance notice of the suicide attack that killed 241 Marines in Beirut in October 1983 but withheld the information from the United States in the hope that the attack would poison American Arab relations.
The Israeli government is desperately trying to block publication of the book, which also says the Israelis are "actively spying, recruiting, organizing and carrying out covert activities mainly in New York and Washington, which they refer to as their playground."CONTINUED
(2). “Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 …”
Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 ...
THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned…
www.heraldscotland.com
EXCERPT “THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.
Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis - and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.” CONTINUED
(3). "How Israel Has Betrayed America"
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/
EXCERPT "A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public.
But this is not an isolated case, as “Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China. In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade." CONTINUED
What happened to the USS Liberty was friendly fire. A thorough investigation by the United States absolved the Israelis. Israel had no credible motive to want to attack trhe USS Liberty.I am an American Veteran who walked and hitch-hiked throughout the Middle East for 10 - 11 months to see for myself what was going on between the US, Israel and the Islamic world..
Before that, I began following Middle Eastern history and events when the Israelis deliberately attacked America's USS Liberty and murdered 34 American G.I.s in 1967.
Our cowardly "ally" even strafed lowered life rafts in an attempt to murder the whole crew.
Before that, our "ally" firebombed American installations in Egypt and tried to blame the crime on the Egyptians so that the US would attack the Egyptians (Lavon Affair)
The same "ally" refused to share intelligence that would have saved 241 US Marines but let the attack occur to engender more anti Islamic sentiments.(1)
Finally, the Arabs were not the only ones dancing on 9/11.
Mossad agents who knew in advance of 9/11 set up their cameras before the planes crashed and danced for joy at America's tragedy.(2)
Netanyahu, too, commented on the ways in which 9/11 would benefit Israel more than anyone else:
"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. (Netanyahu) He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."
Not only has our "ally" repeatedly betrayed the US in the past, Israel continues to steal America's top secrets and sell them to hostile governments. (3)
I certainly don't want to see the destruction of Israel and realize that there are many honest, decent and ethical Israelis but simply feel that Israel's lobbies have too much power over the US Government and extracts more American blood and money than any other government.
Thanks,
(1). "More Real History Revealed: Did Israel Deliberately Allow 241 American Marines To Die? (1983 Marine Barracks Bombing)"
EXCERPT "Yes, says Victor Ostrovsky, a former Israeli secret agent. In a new book, By Way of Deception: A Devastating Insider's Portrait of the Mossad, Mr. Ostrovsky says the Israelis had advance notice of the suicide attack that killed 241 Marines in Beirut in October 1983 but withheld the information from the United States in the hope that the attack would poison American Arab relations.
The Israeli government is desperately trying to block publication of the book, which also says the Israelis are "actively spying, recruiting, organizing and carrying out covert activities mainly in New York and Washington, which they refer to as their playground."CONTINUED
(2). “Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 …”
Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 ...
THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned…
EXCERPT “THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.
Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis - and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.” CONTINUED
(3). "How Israel Has Betrayed America"
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/
EXCERPT "A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public.
But this is not an isolated case, as “Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China. In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade." CONTINUED
The rest of your post demonstrates that on the internet one can confirm anything.
Jew haters will always invent excuses to express their resentment for the most accomplished 0.2% of the hum an population.
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An ethical Israeli pilot who refused to participate in the DELIBERATE attack already admitted that the Israelis to whom you are most loyal knew they were murdering Americans.(1)
Loyal Americans are fed up with traitorous and parasitic "Israel Firsters" so why don't you stand with Israel IN Israel?
"Stand with Israel - Stand with Genocide"
(1). "Israeli Pilot Speaks Up"
https://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/the-assault-on-the-uss-liberty-still-covered-up-after-26-years.html
EXCERPT "Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested."CONTINUED
That is an obscure source. It means nothing.
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