The problem is far bigger than Jeffrey Epstein

The **** i dont. I dont care anymore and im sick of this dipshit conspiracy. Go ahead, show us all the girls identities, and anyone who so much as stood in the same grocery store line with Epstein, for all i care, but it still wont lead to any convictions. :dunno:
A victim of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell suffered abuse at the age of 16.
You "cool" with that.

simple yes or no
 
Treating the scandal as an aberration misunderstands the global epidemic of violence against women

‘In 2 July, the jury delivered a guilty verdict on some of the charges against the music mogul Sean Combs, accused of horrific sexual abuse of women with the help of his extensive staff and deep pockets. He’s also accused in many civil suits of sexual abuse of adults and minors. It seems like everyone promptly forgot about Combs when the facts about the financier Jeffrey Epstein’s decades of horrific sexual abuse of at least a 100 girls and women, with the help of his extensive staff, deep pockets, banks, and elite connections became the next front-page ruckus.

In June, the movie producer Harvey Weinstein was found guilty in a New York retrial for some of his decades of horrific sexual abuse of women, with the help of his extensive staff, top lawyers, the film industry, some ex-Mossad agents and of course his deep pockets. In February a federal appeals court upheld the convictions and 30-year prison sentence of the singer R Kelly for racketeering and sex trafficking; last year his other 20-year sentence was also upheld, for producing child abuse images and enticement of children for sex. Of course his deep pockets and extensive assistance had also been factors in how he too was able to abuse girls for so long.

One of the reasons the epidemic of violence against women is so unacknowledged is because cases like these are talked about individually, and often treated as though they are shocking aberrations rather than part of a pervasive pattern that operates at all levels of society. Another is that it is in the most literal sense not news – there are tides of hatred and violence against other groups that ebb and flow, but violence against women is global and enduring, a constant rather than an event. Another is that law enforcement and the legal system have often been more interested in protecting perpetrators and society has often normalized and even celebrated violence against women.
[…]
But in another sense the whole society is hiding something: that this violence is everywhere and it deeply shapes – or misshapes – our society. The statistics I cited above address the victims of specific crimes. But all girls and women are impacted by the reality that so many men want to harm us and these crimes could happen to any one of us. This violence affects the choices we make about where to go and when, what jobs to take, when to speak up, what to wear. The threat of violence and actual violence by some men against some women and girls establishes female vulnerability and fear and disempowerment far more broadly. Society has largely required us to alter our lives to avoid this, rather than society being altered to make us free and equal. This violence is an engine of inequality that benefits all men, insofar as being “more equal than others” in this respect is a benefit.

The piecemeal stories – “here is this one bad man we need to do something about” – don’t address the reality that the problem is systemic and the solution isn’t police and prison. It’s social change, and societies will have changed enough when violence against women ceases to be a pandemic that stretches across continents and centuries. Systemic problems require systemic responses, and while I’m all for releasing the Epstein files, I want a broader conversation and deeper change.’


“…a broader conversation and deeper change.”

Neither of which will happen, of course, the consequence of conservative opposition to both.
You were doing fine until you swerved into pretend land with your last sentence.
 
A victim of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell suffered abuse at the age of 16.
You "cool" with that.

simple yes or no
What happened to your brain? No one is cool with that. Is that what you think? Us conservatives are happy about sex trafficking? Stop watching MSNBC. Its poisoning your feeble mind. :laugh:
 
What happened to your brain? No one is cool with that. Is that what you think? Us conservatives are happy about sex trafficking? :laugh:
my brain is fine. You need to ask what happened to Trump's brain. He wants to end all of this right now. No more. Many times I said release the list and let the chips fall where they may. No I am not OK with it.

No one is cool with that? Various people on this site "I am tired of it" "No one cares"
All of those people I consider prime candidates for the statement in my signature line.

I am very angry at any anyone that says "I am tired of it" "No one cares" The "clients" are lining up to disclose the patrons and THE RUMP says "shut it down" . Definitely a client list. They are not fooling me.

If you want to engage me there are rules that you will follow. I ask a question, you answer it.
No more ******* around with YOU kid. You are wasting my time otherwise.

The ORANGE CLOWN says this is a HOAX? The ORANGE CLOWN arranges for a fly-over to drown out a victims rally

You know damn well there is a list. Democrats and Republicans 🤷‍♀️

 
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my brain is fine. You need to ask what happened to Trump's brain. He wants to end all of this right now. No more. Many times I said release the list and let the chips fall where they may. No I am not OK with it.

No one is cool with that? Various people on this site "I am tired of it" "No one cares"
All of those people I consider prime candidates for the statement in my signature line.

I am very angry at any anyone that says "I am tired of it" "No one cares" The "clients" are lining up to disclose the patrons and THE RUMP says "shut it down" . Definitely a client list. They are not fooling me.

If you want to engage me there are rules that you will follow. I ask a question, you answer it.
No more ******* around with YOU kid. You are wasting my time otherwise.

The ORANGE CLOWN says this is a HOAX? The ORANGE CLOWN arranges for a fly-over to drown out a victims rally

You know damn well there is a list. Democrats and Republicans 🤷‍♀️

This will go nowhere. They dont have the evidence to convict, but here is the good news for you... you will INSTANTLY stop caring about this story the moment Trump isnt president anymore. :dunno:
 
You dont believe the girls when they said they never saw Trump do anything wrong? You think they are lying?
Have they ALL said that?

Link
 
my brain is fine. You need to ask what happened to Trump's brain. He wants to end all of this right now. No more. Many times I said release the list and let the chips fall where they may. No I am not OK with it.
What imaginary list? Trump ordered the files be released and they are relased to to thje publicv now. BY the way, were there a list it would list the victims and a lot of them, are out in the open claim
This will go nowhere. They dont have the evidence to convict, but here is the good news for you... you will INSTANTLY stop caring about this story the moment Trump isnt president anymore. :dunno:
JD Vance our next president did not know Epstein.
 
This will go nowhere. They dont have the evidence to convict, but here is the good news for you... you will INSTANTLY stop caring about this story the moment Trump isnt president anymore. :dunno:
I will never stop caring. I thought this was "over", nope. Trump talked about the list and releasing the list. Total shocker to me.
 
What imaginary list? Trump ordered the files be released and they are relased to to thje publicv now. BY the way, were there a list it would list the victims and a lot of them, are out in the open claim

JD Vance our next president did not know Epstein.
Robert get your dementia assessed! The list client Bondi and Cash and Trump talked about

good. No chance of him getting naughty massages and other activities by under age of consent females.
 
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I will never stop caring. I thought this was "over", nope. Trump talked about the list and releasing the list. Total shocker to me.
He did release the list, directly to Congress. Why havent your democrat reps released it yet? What are they covering up?
 
Treating the scandal as an aberration misunderstands the global epidemic of violence against women

‘In 2 July, the jury delivered a guilty verdict on some of the charges against the music mogul Sean Combs, accused of horrific sexual abuse of women with the help of his extensive staff and deep pockets. He’s also accused in many civil suits of sexual abuse of adults and minors. It seems like everyone promptly forgot about Combs when the facts about the financier Jeffrey Epstein’s decades of horrific sexual abuse of at least a 100 girls and women, with the help of his extensive staff, deep pockets, banks, and elite connections became the next front-page ruckus.

In June, the movie producer Harvey Weinstein was found guilty in a New York retrial for some of his decades of horrific sexual abuse of women, with the help of his extensive staff, top lawyers, the film industry, some ex-Mossad agents and of course his deep pockets. In February a federal appeals court upheld the convictions and 30-year prison sentence of the singer R Kelly for racketeering and sex trafficking; last year his other 20-year sentence was also upheld, for producing child abuse images and enticement of children for sex. Of course his deep pockets and extensive assistance had also been factors in how he too was able to abuse girls for so long.

One of the reasons the epidemic of violence against women is so unacknowledged is because cases like these are talked about individually, and often treated as though they are shocking aberrations rather than part of a pervasive pattern that operates at all levels of society. Another is that it is in the most literal sense not news – there are tides of hatred and violence against other groups that ebb and flow, but violence against women is global and enduring, a constant rather than an event. Another is that law enforcement and the legal system have often been more interested in protecting perpetrators and society has often normalized and even celebrated violence against women.
[…]
But in another sense the whole society is hiding something: that this violence is everywhere and it deeply shapes – or misshapes – our society. The statistics I cited above address the victims of specific crimes. But all girls and women are impacted by the reality that so many men want to harm us and these crimes could happen to any one of us. This violence affects the choices we make about where to go and when, what jobs to take, when to speak up, what to wear. The threat of violence and actual violence by some men against some women and girls establishes female vulnerability and fear and disempowerment far more broadly. Society has largely required us to alter our lives to avoid this, rather than society being altered to make us free and equal. This violence is an engine of inequality that benefits all men, insofar as being “more equal than others” in this respect is a benefit.

The piecemeal stories – “here is this one bad man we need to do something about” – don’t address the reality that the problem is systemic and the solution isn’t police and prison. It’s social change, and societies will have changed enough when violence against women ceases to be a pandemic that stretches across continents and centuries. Systemic problems require systemic responses, and while I’m all for releasing the Epstein files, I want a broader conversation and deeper change.’


“…a broader conversation and deeper change.”

Neither of which will happen, of course, the consequence of conservative opposition to both.
“The” problem is misleading. There are many problems with the Epstein canard.

Crimes against women is definitely “A” problem and it is a big one. I’m not sure who disputes that.

I also don’t know who has claimed or contended that Epstein, and his criminal behaviors, and the perpetrators who shared in his criminal deviancy were mere “aberrations.” That said, the depth and scope and stench of the victimization of women and minors is, arguably, an aberration.

Which gets us to the point of the OP’s commentary. We can and should have a broad and deeper national conversation about that actual problem. However, there is no conservative opposition to having such a national discussion.

But don’t imagine that we don’t recognize that guys like Adam_Clayton_JOKE aren’t actually interested in discussing that matter. What they actually seek is to smear President Trump with the stink of Epstein merely because — a long time ago — President Trump had been pals with Epstein.

We see his “guilt by association” efforts for what they really are.
 

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