The Pope and Bardakoglu work together

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Benedict's speech was stamped with a clinical tone.
He talked about the development in Europe and how rationality grew from the antic to modern times in Europe.
Then he asks for a religion combined with human rationality.
But the quote about Islam and the prophet arouse like a gigantic spark out of his speech.

Benedict is a highly educated man, with long years with his nose in Thology books.
Such political blunder as the religious representative of catholics and as political representative of the vatican is never going to happen accidently.
A long list of experts also checked this speech and prepared it for weeks.
There is no accident, all is well prepared.

How does the islamic world react ?
The islamic world didn't react immediately. Those who triggered this event into the Muslim world was Turkey's representative of Diyanet, Prof. Dr. Bardakoglu, who is a very clarified and rationalist man.
This is very unusual.

After this profiling of Bardakoglu in the world media, other Muslim states followed, as well as fanatics burning Pope dolls oon the street.

After Benedict appoligized for this misunderstanding, he did not appoligized for the case itself, but for misunderstandings of his words, Bardakoglu said immediately something like this:

From Turkish:
"The muslims in the world must learn to express them rationally, to think rational and act rational. Emotional and violent reactions are completely wrong. Violence must be replaced by words. Benedict's new statement is a sign to work for world peace. If required we religious authorities must have the ability to appolgize for things and must work to be a good example for people to follow".

This interesting. Religious authorities must have the ability to appoligize (admit that something was wrong) and be examples for those we represent to follow.
Both did this, very laudable.

The same time, Gül, our foreign minister comes to the press and says, that Turkey is first a secular state and that there are no plans to cancel Benedict's visit to Turkey and that such a move be it from Vatican side or Turkish side would be very bad for world peace.

When we keep this all in front of our eyes, and that Benedict will in some time the first visit a country with 99% muslim citizens in the coming period we can imagine what we will see.
Benedict and Bardakoglu will hug themselves, smile here kiss there all in front of cameras.
Reconciliation is one of the strongest Emotions to move people, millions of christians will watch and think: "Hey, cool man this Benedict.
Millions of muslims will watch abroad of Turkey and will think "Hey, cool man this Bardakoglu".

This will be the beginning to make Turkey as the example for the muslim world. Some more involvements of Bardakoglu brought through world-press into the world, and more and more Muslims of the overwellmingly Muslims who keep silent giving space for radicals will follow Bardakoglu.
If anything, the beginning of the big liberalisation in Islam throughout the Muslim world.
Turkey is now for months in connection to the Vatican, to clear and manage his visit and his programme.
 

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Benedict's speech was stamped with a clinical tone.
He talked about the development in Europe and how rationality grew from the antic to modern times in Europe.
Then he asks for a religion combined with human rationality.
But the quote about Islam and the prophet arouse like a gigantic spark out of his speech.

Benedict is a highly educated man, with long years with his nose in Thology books.
Such political blunder as the religious representative of catholics and as political representative of the vatican is never going to happen accidently.
A long list of experts also checked this speech and prepared it for weeks.
There is no accident, all is well prepared.

How does the islamic world react ?
The islamic world didn't react immediately. Those who triggered this event into the Muslim world was Turkey's representative of Diyanet, Prof. Dr. Bardakoglu, who is a very clarified and rationalist man.
This is very unusual.

After this profiling of Bardakoglu in the world media, other Muslim states followed, as well as fanatics burning Pope dolls oon the street.

After Benedict appoligized for this misunderstanding, he did not appoligized for the case itself, but for misunderstandings of his words, Bardakoglu said immediately something like this:

From Turkish:
"The muslims in the world must learn to express them rationally, to think rational and act rational. Emotional and violent reactions are completely wrong. Violence must be replaced by words. Benedict's new statement is a sign to work for world peace. If required we religious authorities must have the ability to appolgize for things and must work to be a good example for people to follow".

This interesting. Religious authorities must have the ability to appoligize (admit that something was wrong) and be examples for those we represent to follow.
Both did this, very laudable.

The same time, Gül, our foreign minister comes to the press and says, that Turkey is first a secular state and that there are no plans to cancel Benedict's visit to Turkey and that such a move be it from Vatican side or Turkish side would be very bad for world peace.

When we keep this all in front of our eyes, and that Benedict will in some time the first visit a country with 99% muslim citizens in the coming period we can imagine what we will see.
Benedict and Bardakoglu will hug themselves, smile here kiss there all in front of cameras.
Reconciliation is one of the strongest Emotions to move people, millions of christians will watch and think: "Hey, cool man this Benedict.
Millions of muslims will watch abroad of Turkey and will think "Hey, cool man this Bardakoglu".

This will be the beginning to make Turkey as the example for the muslim world. Some more involvements of Bardakoglu brought through world-press into the world, and more and more Muslims of the overwellmingly Muslims who keep silent giving space for radicals will follow Bardakoglu.
If anything, the beginning of the big liberalisation in Islam throughout the Muslim world.
Turkey is now for months in connection to the Vatican, to clear and manage his visit and his programme.
Canavar, Turkey, as you try to spin it, may very well be the worst place on earth. The Muslims ignore and the west ignores. You all are neither here nor there. No one seems to really care what Turkey thinks or does. Only you, and you are trying to influence a message board and few if any bother with you.
 
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Canavar, Turkey, as you try to spin it, may very well be the worst place on earth. The Muslims ignore and the west ignores. You all are neither here nor there. No one seems to really care what Turkey thinks or does. Only you, and you are trying to influence a message board and few if any bother with you.
Why do you write your fingers sore?`Why don't you just say shut up ?.

When i look to the beginning of the pope-controversy there was no such thing as the world would ignore Turkey (Bardakoglu).
Would Turkey be a country to be ignorable, you would have established this Kurdistan long ago.
Fact is, that Turkey is the only country who is responsible for Iraq not breaking into 3 parts.

I acknowledge your views, but it is your views:

This is why many Arabs and Europeans believe that Turkey has an important role to play, that of a balancing element in the map of “the New Middle East”.
(...)
Turkey is not showcasing the sultanate model and no one wants it. Its model of a positive relationship to bring about development and democracy and between religion and the state is ambition and attractive.
http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=5998

They accept Turkey as it is. So this gives a chance to coorperate and trade even with all our diffrencies and conflicts.
So its Arabs' turn, respect eachother, freeze the conflicts and look what we can do together.
But this is only political, what binds these days is religious authority. And for this there must be a person which profilizes him to the Muslims abroad.

There are 2 options to go with, because Saudi-Arabia is no option as they are lackays of USA.
Either Iranian influence over the Mid-East or Turkey.
The thing with Turkey is, that Diyanet is only structurized to guide the Turkish Muslims.
What abroad Turkey happens, it is not Diyanet's business.
So, there is the need of events which profile Diyanet for Non-Turkish Muslims.
And the pope-controversy was one step. The next will follow with Pope visit to Turkey.

So you, Kathianne simply put, may give no sjit about Turkey, others do:
Pope to use Turkey trip to encourage East-West dialogue
Istanbul visit to focus on interfaith tolerance
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_world_11380_28/03/2006_67933

Turkey gained much credibility in Arab world by saying no to US's plans on Iraq.
Turkey at present sends the General secratary of The OIC. (Orabization of 57 Muslim states).
And Turkey joined last year, by invitation of Arab states, the Arab League conferende in Sudan as an observer.
Our influence rise and what you comment on this does not bind things going on in real.

Arabs are afraid of growing Iranian influence, which was multiplied by US actions in Mid-East. They want Turkey on their side so they are not longer be afraid. So simple.
And if you don't give a shit, it is your view. What else should i say?
 
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Ali Bardakoglu, head of Turkey's religious affairs directorate, lashed out at Islamic terrorist organizations during nationally televised prayer services at Ankara's majestic Kocatepe Mosque Friday night.

"There are those who try to use the holy values of religion in violence and terrorism," said Bardakoglu, who led prayers for the holiest night of the Muslim year, commemorating the prophet Muhammad's receipt of the first verses of the Koran. "This is treason against the essence of the message of religion."
http://nucnews.net/nucnews/2003nn/0311nn/031122nn.htm


The plan to revise the texts of Hadiths is being put forward by the Diyanet, the highest Islamic authority in Turkey, which controls 76,000 mosques in the country and beyond. Ali Bardakoglu is the president of the Diyanet. He is a liberal theologian who was appointed by the AKP three years ago.

Bardakoglu claims that the new collection of misogyny-free Hadiths will be completed by 2008.
http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/002633.html

Dressed in the head scarf and ankle-length coat that mark her as a devout Muslim woman, Sule Yuksel Uysal brushes off any suggestion that she is a revolutionary. But her job places her and her country on the front lines of Islamic reform.

Appointed 18 months ago by Turkey’s directorate of religious affairs, or Diyanet, Mrs. Uysal is one of 200 state-paid “vaizes,” or female preachers, whose very existence breaks with centuries of Muslim tradition.

Women acted informally as preachers in the early days of Islam, but they never before have been recognized officially as such.

“Turkey is a country that has accepted the idea of sexual equality, and that must be reflected in religious practice,” said Diyanet head Ali Bardakoglu, who implemented the changes.
http://insider.washingtontimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20060502-122646-8010r



Why do you think, Turkey is ignored by the world in this action.
Could it not be that Christian, Buddhist, Hindus states support Turkey in this course then giving a shit?




Ali Bardakoğlu

Ali Bardakoğlu is the current president of Religious Affairs of Turkey, also known as Diyanet Isleri in Turkish. The president of this institution is the highest Islamic authority in Turkey.


Background

Ali Bardakoğlu was born in 1952 in Tosyar in the province of Kastamonu. He has been the President of Diyanet Isleri since May 2003. In 1975 he completed his studies of law at the Istanbul Marmara University and gained Bachelor title at this faculty. Later he became assistant for Islamic law at the High Islamic Institute in Kayseri. In 1982, he earned his PhD in Islamic studies at the Atatürk University and taught as Assistant professor at the theology faculty of the Erciyes University. From 1991 to 1992 he lived in the United Kingdom and in 1994 he visited the United States for the first time.

He is well known in Turkey and Europe as a moderate Islamic leader. He announced, in 2005, two women from Diyanet Isleri as vice muftis (i.e. professional jurists who interpret Islamic law and counselor who help local Muslims on religious issues) for the mosques of the Turkish cities of Kayseri and Istanbul. In February 2006 he participated as an honored guest in the opening ceremony of a Protestant church in Alanya

He speaks Turkish, Arabic and English. He is married and has three children.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Bardakoğlu




The Person to go with, than those Nasrallas and Hatamis.
And Europe as well as Vatican are nearer to the things going on, then you Kathianne who give no shit about Turkey.
 

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Well, I don't really know GunnyL, canavar has always tried to shoot straight from the hip with us, we owe him at least that, don't ya think?

Canavar, Turkey's influence in the geopolitical world is minimal, and DECREASEING everyday. The reason, you ask, they can't decide which side they should be on.

It's way past time to make a decision buddy, your either on board with fighting terrorism, or your not, it ain't complicated.

Turkey has been riding the fence for too long, either get off the porch, and play with the big dog's or SHUT THE FUCK UP.:lame2:
 

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Well, I don't really know GunnyL, canavar has always tried to shoot straight from the hip with us, we owe him at least that, don't ya think?

Canavar, Turkey's influence in the geopolitical world is minimal, and DECREASEING everyday. The reason, you ask, they can't decide which side they should be on.

It's way past time to make a decision buddy, your either on board with fighting terrorism, or your not, it ain't complicated.

Turkey has been riding the fence for too long, either get off the porch, and play with the big dog's or SHUT THE FUCK UP.:lame2:
I have an issue with arrogance where none is warranted. This dude acts as if Turkey's still the Ottoman Empire and actually matters. Look at his post .... he's claiming Turkey is responsible for Iraq not splitting three ways, when clearly, it is the presence of the US military that is responsible.

I don't really see Turkey riding the fence. I see Turkey not taking a side against regional Islamic terrorism. If Turkey wants to be the big player on the block; which, it very well could, stop trying to blow smoke up everyone's asses and step up to the plate.
 

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