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What is going on? Enough of this political correctness and rules of engagement towards radical Islam. In Baghdad or the Anbar province the plan should be to leaflet the area with a 24 hour to vacate or die. If you are supporting the terrorist in any way, you die. Keep U.S. ground forces back until the area has been bomb to powder and sand. In the area of the U.S. Navy's reach, there should be a blockade on all shipments coming and leaving to the region. In Afghanistan the same can be said for political correctness. If the U.S. has acquired a target with it drones carrying hellfire missiles and the target at the time is a bunch of "ARMED" terrorist at a funeral, I say launch, destroy and repeat. Some may cry foul and invoke the Geneva Convention rules of engagement or the treatment of prisoners in a time of war. Besides the United States of America, who is really following the rules of the Geneva Convention? Or for that matter the U.N. and its continue failure to bring peace to the planet. Enough is enough! The U.S. needs to pull out of all these ridicules charters and treaties and secure its own sovereignty and security with unlimited force of actions. The political climate in the States is another internal war of its own. Many politicians are concerned with their own power and wealth and can care less about the men and women in the Armed Forces of the United States and the war on Radical Islam. Then you have some Americans who are so distracted by their love of sports, work and money, the pop culture, the entertainment outlets, and any other eye and ear candy that can blind them to the truth of a dying nation at hand. Where is the leadership of a true Patriot? That puts his or her needs aside for the goods of others. The men and women who fought in WW2 understood sacrifice and putting others needs before their own. This current generation which I will call the "ME" generation thinks only of itself and is not concern with others needs even after 911 WTC attacks. So what is are Armed Forces to do? Currently they have been ask to fight an enemy with both hands tied behind their back. Is that really fair to them? How about the C.I.A. and the F.B.I. and the ice cream and cake approach to interrogating terrorist. How in the hell are they gonna gather intel with that approach? People you are seeing the slow death of the West and all its cultures. It will not be a standing army that defeats the West. It will come from its own people and their lack of judgment and decisiveness on an enemy bent on controlling the world with its ideology,religion and culture.
 

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Well I somewhat agree with you. We should still follow the Geneva convention, everybody is except the terrorists, and that's one reason we're going after them. We are fighting for Iraqi hearts and minds, so we can't really carpet bomb everything or else the people we want to bring freedom to will end up hating us, and maybe even some of them will be convinced to join the terrorists so they too don't just become collateral damage.

Bush recently proclaimed the War in Iraq a struggle for civilization, so why he isn't sending more troops there to fight though is beyond me. Why we aren't treating it like World War 2 is beyond me.

This certainly does seem to be a "ME" generation. I don't know why if all of these people are for the War on Terror they're not willing to send in their taxes to pay for it.

As for the culture war, I think that the US and the West is decisively winning that battle. Take a trip around the world, and visit Asia and I think you will probably come to the same conclusion. You can find a large part of our culture almost everywhere.
 

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Well I somewhat agree with you. We should still follow the Geneva convention, everybody is except the terrorists, and that's one reason we're going after them. We are fighting for Iraqi hearts and minds, so we can't really carpet bomb everything or else the people we want to bring freedom to will end up hating us, and maybe even some of them will be convinced to join the terrorists so they too don't just become collateral damage.

Bush recently proclaimed the War in Iraq a struggle for civilization, so why he isn't sending more troops there to fight though is beyond me. Why we aren't treating it like World War 2 is beyond me.

This certainly does seem to be a "ME" generation. I don't know why if all of these people are for the War on Terror they're not willing to send in their taxes to pay for it.

As for the culture war, I think that the US and the West is decisively winning that battle. Take a trip around the world, and visit Asia and I think you will probably come to the same conclusion. You can find a large part of our culture almost everywhere.
In which wars were the Geneva Conventions actually followed?
 

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Well I somewhat agree with you. We should still follow the Geneva convention, everybody is except the terrorists, and that's one reason we're going after them. We are fighting for Iraqi hearts and minds, so we can't really carpet bomb everything or else the people we want to bring freedom to will end up hating us, and maybe even some of them will be convinced to join the terrorists so they too don't just become collateral damage.

Bush recently proclaimed the War in Iraq a struggle for civilization, so why he isn't sending more troops there to fight though is beyond me. Why we aren't treating it like World War 2 is beyond me.

This certainly does seem to be a "ME" generation. I don't know why if all of these people are for the War on Terror they're not willing to send in their taxes to pay for it.

As for the culture war, I think that the US and the West is decisively winning that battle. Take a trip around the world, and visit Asia and I think you will probably come to the same conclusion. You can find a large part of our culture almost everywhere.

I wonder what age group you refer to as the "ME" generation.
 

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What is going on? Enough of this political correctness and rules of engagement towards radical Islam. In Baghdad or the Anbar province the plan should be to leaflet the area with a 24 hour to vacate or die. If you are supporting the terrorist in any way, you die. Keep U.S. ground forces back until the area has been bomb to powder and sand. In the area of the U.S. Navy's reach, there should be a blockade on all shipments coming and leaving to the region. In Afghanistan the same can be said for political correctness. If the U.S. has acquired a target with it drones carrying hellfire missiles and the target at the time is a bunch of "ARMED" terrorist at a funeral, I say launch, destroy and repeat. Some may cry foul and invoke the Geneva Convention rules of engagement or the treatment of prisoners in a time of war. Besides the United States of America, who is really following the rules of the Geneva Convention? Or for that matter the U.N. and its continue failure to bring peace to the planet. Enough is enough! The U.S. needs to pull out of all these ridicules charters and treaties and secure its own sovereignty and security with unlimited force of actions. The political climate in the States is another internal war of its own. Many politicians are concerned with their own power and wealth and can care less about the men and women in the Armed Forces of the United States and the war on Radical Islam. Then you have some Americans who are so distracted by their love of sports, work and money, the pop culture, the entertainment outlets, and any other eye and ear candy that can blind them to the truth of a dying nation at hand. Where is the leadership of a true Patriot? That puts his or her needs aside for the goods of others. The men and women who fought in WW2 understood sacrifice and putting others needs before their own. This current generation which I will call the "ME" generation thinks only of itself and is not concern with others needs even after 911 WTC attacks. So what is are Armed Forces to do? Currently they have been ask to fight an enemy with both hands tied behind their back. Is that really fair to them? How about the C.I.A. and the F.B.I. and the ice cream and cake approach to interrogating terrorist. How in the hell are they gonna gather intel with that approach? People you are seeing the slow death of the West and all its cultures. It will not be a standing army that defeats the West. It will come from its own people and their lack of judgment and decisiveness on an enemy bent on controlling the world with its ideology,religion and culture.

Well, we can't do anything common sense tells us in this war thanks to Liberalism. Liberalism is killing us and has just about killed Europe already. Secularism, socialist and even communistic economic policies, topped off with the ever decreasing birth rates in Western countries is going to lead to our extinction....unless we change our ways very soon...
 

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What is going on? Enough of this political correctness and rules of engagement towards radical Islam. In Baghdad or the Anbar province the plan should be to leaflet the area with a 24 hour to vacate or die. If you are supporting the terrorist in any way, you die. Keep U.S. ground forces back until the area has been bomb to powder and sand. In the area of the U.S. Navy's reach, there should be a blockade on all shipments coming and leaving to the region. In Afghanistan the same can be said for political correctness. If the U.S. has acquired a target with it drones carrying hellfire missiles and the target at the time is a bunch of "ARMED" terrorist at a funeral, I say launch, destroy and repeat. Some may cry foul and invoke the Geneva Convention rules of engagement or the treatment of prisoners in a time of war. Besides the United States of America, who is really following the rules of the Geneva Convention? Or for that matter the U.N. and its continue failure to bring peace to the planet. Enough is enough! The U.S. needs to pull out of all these ridicules charters and treaties and secure its own sovereignty and security with unlimited force of actions. The political climate in the States is another internal war of its own. Many politicians are concerned with their own power and wealth and can care less about the men and women in the Armed Forces of the United States and the war on Radical Islam. Then you have some Americans who are so distracted by their love of sports, work and money, the pop culture, the entertainment outlets, and any other eye and ear candy that can blind them to the truth of a dying nation at hand. Where is the leadership of a true Patriot? That puts his or her needs aside for the goods of others. The men and women who fought in WW2 understood sacrifice and putting others needs before their own. This current generation which I will call the "ME" generation thinks only of itself and is not concern with others needs even after 911 WTC attacks. So what is are Armed Forces to do? Currently they have been ask to fight an enemy with both hands tied behind their back. Is that really fair to them? How about the C.I.A. and the F.B.I. and the ice cream and cake approach to interrogating terrorist. How in the hell are they gonna gather intel with that approach? People you are seeing the slow death of the West and all its cultures. It will not be a standing army that defeats the West. It will come from its own people and their lack of judgment and decisiveness on an enemy bent on controlling the world with its ideology,religion and culture.
Ok, I don't know about all the nice little "ME" generation things, or the PC bull shit, that I see posted on a regular basis. What I DO know about is how to put an end to all this shit.

NUKE THE MF'S..............:dev2: :blowup:

In your heart, you KNOW I'm right.:cheers2:
 

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In which wars were the Geneva Conventions actually followed?
I'm not sure, and if they weren't the governments probably kept it a secret well enough for it not to be known. But as of now pretty much everybody has radified it, and we can't publicly accuse Russia, China, Germany, etc. of following them, which was my point.

I wonder what age group you refer to as the "ME" generation.
I'm not exactly sure which generation the original poster meant, because I took the statement from him, but I'm not referring to a specific generation, just the body of people who currently compose the electorate.
 

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I'm not sure, and if they weren't the governments probably kept it a secret well enough for it not to be known. But as of now pretty much everybody has radified it, and we can't publicly accuse Russia, China, Germany, etc. of following them, which was my point.
Ratification has nothing to do with it. It's not been followed by Europe, Asia, Africa. Only the US pretends that we are to adhere to not only the letter, but the spirit. (Terrorists were clearly exempted, yet SCOTUS in Hamdan screwed that up).
I'm not exactly sure which generation the original poster meant, because I took the statement from him, but I'm not referring to a specific generation, just the body of people who currently compose the electorate.
Hey, if the Iranians in Iraq and their cohorts wish to throw on uniforms and come at it, I'm all in favor of the Geneva Conventions. Same with Hezbollah, whether Lebonese, Syrian, or Iranian, come out from blending in with civilians, fight like soldiers.
 

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Ratification has nothing to do with it. It's not been followed by Europe, Asia, Africa. Only the US pretends that we are to adhere to not only the letter, but the spirit. (Terrorists were clearly exempted, yet SCOTUS in Hamdan screwed that up).

Hey, if the Iranians in Iraq and their cohorts wish to throw on uniforms and come at it, I'm all in favor of the Geneva Conventions. Same with Hezbollah, whether Lebonese, Syrian, or Iranian, come out from blending in with civilians, fight like soldiers.
Yeah, unfortunately the regimes will never fight us like that, because our military would kick their ass, just how it demolished the Iraqi military twice.

I side with the supreme court in giving the detainees a fair trial not held by the executive branch. It has more checks and balances, and is a better system of government.

We need to win hearts and minds in Iraq. Our military has done a damn fine job winning the war (as it is a well tuned fighting machine) but now we need to start making friends with their citizens, and I think that sticking to the Geneva conventions will create a more favorable outlook towards us.

Now I might be for ignoring the Geneva conventions if I thought it was really holding us back, but as I see it now our military is still doing a damn fine job.
 

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What is going on? Enough of this political correctness and rules of engagement towards radical Islam. In Baghdad or the Anbar province the plan should be to leaflet the area with a 24 hour to vacate or die. If you are supporting the terrorist in any way, you die. Keep U.S. ground forces back until the area has been bomb to powder and sand. In the area of the U.S. Navy's reach, there should be a blockade on all shipments coming and leaving to the region. In Afghanistan the same can be said for political correctness. If the U.S. has acquired a target with it drones carrying hellfire missiles and the target at the time is a bunch of "ARMED" terrorist at a funeral, I say launch, destroy and repeat. Some may cry foul and invoke the Geneva Convention rules of engagement or the treatment of prisoners in a time of war. Besides the United States of America, who is really following the rules of the Geneva Convention? Or for that matter the U.N. and its continue failure to bring peace to the planet. Enough is enough! The U.S. needs to pull out of all these ridicules charters and treaties and secure its own sovereignty and security with unlimited force of actions. The political climate in the States is another internal war of its own. Many politicians are concerned with their own power and wealth and can care less about the men and women in the Armed Forces of the United States and the war on Radical Islam. Then you have some Americans who are so distracted by their love of sports, work and money, the pop culture, the entertainment outlets, and any other eye and ear candy that can blind them to the truth of a dying nation at hand. Where is the leadership of a true Patriot? That puts his or her needs aside for the goods of others. The men and women who fought in WW2 understood sacrifice and putting others needs before their own. This current generation which I will call the "ME" generation thinks only of itself and is not concern with others needs even after 911 WTC attacks. So what is are Armed Forces to do? Currently they have been ask to fight an enemy with both hands tied behind their back. Is that really fair to them? How about the C.I.A. and the F.B.I. and the ice cream and cake approach to interrogating terrorist. How in the hell are they gonna gather intel with that approach? People you are seeing the slow death of the West and all its cultures. It will not be a standing army that defeats the West. It will come from its own people and their lack of judgment and decisiveness on an enemy bent on controlling the world with its ideology,religion and culture.
Feel better now?

You left out one very important aspect. US politicians trying vainly to kiss international ass. Politics has trumped strategy and tactics since before the invasion of Iraq ever began.

Yes, the things you note are a problem. They have been for about 40 years. However, the notion of "winning the hearts and minds" of people who have been raised to abhor us, and could care less what we're offering is pretty damned antiquated.

The notion that the Shia, Sunni, Kurds, and Ba'ath's would all come together and sing "We Are the World" is just pure fantasy. The military minds of the day in 1991 predicted a three way split at the least if Saddam was deposed, and a power vacuum between Syrai, Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia the worst.

Perhaps if the politicians would quit trying to play in a game they cannot comprehend and let the professionals do their jobs, this shit'd be over REAL quick.
 
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Feel better now?

You left out one very important aspect. US politicians trying vainly to kiss international ass. Politics has trumped strategy and tactics since before the invasion of Iraq ever began.

Yes, the things you note are a problem. They have been for about 40 years. However, the notion of "winning the hearts and minds" of people who have been raised to abhor us, and could care less what we're offering is pretty damned antiquated.

The notion that the Shia, Sunni, Kurds, and Ba'ath's would all come together and sing "We Are the World" is just pure fantasy. The military minds of the day in 1991 predicted a three way split at the least if Saddam was deposed, and a power vacuum between Syrai, Iran, Turkey and Saudi Arabia the worst.

Perhaps if the politicians would quit trying to play in a game they cannot comprehend and let the professionals do their jobs, this shit'd be over REAL quick.
Yea I feel better Gunny:cool: But You know how hard it is for us former Marines to sit on the sidelines when our brothers are a fighting war with out us at there side. Then add the fact that some in our government think more about power and politics' than they do that 0311 riflemen who is sacrificing his life for their freedoms. Its suck being to old to fight. All I can do now is send care packages and say some prayers for our brothers. Semper FI.
 

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