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We were discussing human organisms and when they exist, and science is pretty fucking clear on this. Not a single science book or paper will be found to indicate a human organism is determined by choice. Science doesn't leave things up to your discretion to decide, that's not what science does. In fact, that's the entire reason science was invented... to establish things based on our observations and facts rather than emotions and authority.
Science give us choices in areas were we've never had choices before. The scientific method was created to give us a baseline of understanding the physical world around us.
Stop being a dipwad and trying to intentionally misconstrue what I said. Science does not fucking say that you can arbitrarily decide a molecule of oxygen and two molecules of hydrogen is only water if you want it to be... does it???? NO! It says that is what water is! There is no choice to make! It is not up to your discretion!
The scientific method was not created to give us a baseline anything. It was designed as a system of methodology for the evaluation of physical evidence. Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with emotional choices based on feelings and intuitions.
To argue that science allows us to define life (or anything else) based on our choices or feelings is patently ignorant of science. It gives us a precise definition of living organisms and what constitutes one, and the human fetus certainly meets that criteria. It's not a question for you to decide, it's not ambiguous, there is no scientific debate about it.
Science can tell us when a fetus becomes a viable human being.
Science cannot tell us that human beings are divine in nature.
Science cannot tell us that we human beings have an immortal soul, or when that little blob of cells is imbued with said soul.
What science tells us is that a fetus and an embryo are genetically complete, individual, and live humans.
When leftist death cultists argue that they aren't *viable* the argument effectively ends, because *viability* is not the way we determine whether or not we get to kill humans. We don't kill off terminally ill cancer patients. We don't kill off people who are paralyzed. We don't kill off mental deficients, despite the fact that they are not "viable" in the strictest sense of the word (without care and protection, they will die).
We don't kill people based on whether or not the person in whose care they are currently placed wants to care for them.
Well, decent humans don't.
Death cultists do.
And that has absolutely zero, nada, nothing to do with *science*.
The single cell of a fertilized egg is genetically complete too, but over half of them never implant which results in the new life ending before the mother is ever aware she is pregnant.
If your body is no longer viable you will die, no one will have to kill you.
You anti-choice folks are so emotional.