I like your way of thinking. Anyone who disagrees with you is dishonest and anyone who agrees with you is honest. People like you were saying the same thing when Columbus said he would sail the world. If the science is not with you then the scientists are the crooks and you are not.
The fact is that there is no scientific evidence as to when a life officially begins. A fetal heartbeat is evidence of nothing. There is no evidence it is murder. This is based on theology not science. People like you want to create a theology just like the mullahs have in Iran. The US is not a country where Christianity and the Bible determines the law.
The fact is that abortions are not taken lightly by a woman. Asking people to tell their stories is not bragging about abortions. It is worth noting that the number of abortions have tumbled even though abortion has been legal.
The issues surrounding abortion are scientific.. It is people like you who make the issue political because you cannot prove that it is not a life. Yet you use the power of the state to force your religious beliefs on others.
A zygote is not a person. A woman has the right to have a say to the decision.
1. "I like your way of thinking. Anyone who disagrees with you is dishonest and anyone who agrees with you is honest."
Pretty much....You're on the right track.
After all, I am never wrong.
2. "If the science is not with you then the scientists are the crooks and you are not."
Science is 'with me.'
“The formation, maturation and meeting of a male and female sex cell are all preliminary to their actual union into a combined cell, or zygote, which definitely marks the beginning of a new individual. The penetration of the ovum by the spermatozoon, and the coming together and pooling of their respective nuclei, constitutes the process of fertilization.”
Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Miller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8.
“Although life is a continuous process, fertilization… is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances,
a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte.”
“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell.
This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.”
"After fertilization has taken place
a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner
"An individual human life begins at conception when a sperm cell from the father fuses with an egg cell from the mother, to form a new cell, the zygote, the first embryonic stage. The zygote grows and divides into two daughter cells, each of which grows and divides into two grand-daughter cells, and this cell growth/division process continues on, over and over again. The zygote is the start of a biological continuum that automatically grows and develops, passing gradually and sequentially through the stages we call foetus, baby, child, adult, old person and ending eventually in death. The full genetic instructions to guide the development of the continuum, in interaction with its environment, are present in the zygote.
Every stage along the continuum is biologically human and each point along the continuum has the full human properties appropriate to that point." - Dr. William Reville, University College Cork, Ireland
See what I've taught you today?
3. "The fact is that there is no scientific evidence as to when a life officially begins."
Au contraire.
Shettles, Landrum, M.D., Rorvik, David, Rites of Life: The Scientific Evidence for Life Before Birth, page 36, Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1983
“… Conception confers life and makes you one of a kind. Unless you have an identical twin, there is virtually no chance, in the natural course of things, that there will be “another you” – not even if mankind were to persist for billions of years.”
Dr. Jasper Williams, Former President of the National Medical Association (p 74)
4. "A fetal heartbeat is evidence of nothing."
Sometimes I can't believe dolts write stuff like this.
Does your heartbeat prove something? What?
“Times are changing in this country,” Hill said. “We can see more of what’s happening in the womb… We can see that heart beating with those tests and I’ve had those tests and they’re not so bad.”
Hill talked about how happy she was when she heard the fetal heartbeat of her own children.
“I see in this country that we protect sea turtle eggs and we protect other endangered species of animals with a greater degree of scrutiny and zealousness than we protect a child in the womb that has a beating heart,” Hill said. “The womb should be the safest place in the world for an unborn child. I’m asking Mississippi to be different.”
… T]he heart is pumping the embryo’s own blood to his or her brain and body.16 All four chambers of the heart are present17 and more than 1 million heartbeats have occurred.18 The head, as well as the chest and abdominal cavities have formed19and the beginnings of the arms and legs are easily seen.20“
This child, shown in the video below, is just seven weeks and three days old.
7 Weeks Pregnant -- Hiccups & Startle Response
Mississippi Legislature passes bills banning abortion after detectable heartbeat
5. "This is based on theology not science. People like you want to create a theology just like the mullahs have in Iran."
My argument is political not theological.
Are you an American?
Let's check:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that
all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are
Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Thomas Jefferson.
That is a basic and fundamental American view.
Your side:
"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky
Our nation was founded on the premise that each individual has
the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But they don’t become rights by virtue of birth…we are endowed with these rights by our Creator, at the moment of creation.
This is a political argument: the form of the Creator invoked by the Founders is irrelevant to the debate. Morality is not a consideration here, so there is no mention of contraception as being right or wrong; one’s use of contraceptives does not infringe on anyone else’s rights.
The fact is that our nation, at its very founding, acknowledged that, by virtue of being created, of being conceived, the unborn child, has a right to live. It is not a right that is alienable….even by the child’s mother.
6. "The fact is that abortions are not taken lightly by a woman."
Wrong.
Nearly every abortion is for nothing more than convenience.
The vast majority of abortion performed in the United States are carried out for reasons that can be broadly categorized as “matters of convenience.”
Nearly every abortion is based on convenience.....Convenience, as in having your groceries delivered rather than having to walk across the street to pick them up.....this level of consideration in deciding to execute the child you've created.
In a study of 27 nations, reasons for abortion services were found to be the following:
a.
“Worldwide, the most commonly reported reason women cite for having an abortion is to postpone or stop childbearing. The second most common reason—socioeconomic concerns—includes disruption of education or employment; lack of support from the father; desire to provide schooling for existing children; and poverty, unemployment or inability to afford additional children. In addition, relationship problems with a husband or partner and a woman's perception that she is too young constitute other important categories of reasons.”
Reasons Why Women Have Induced Abortions: Evidence from 27 Countries
b. A 2004 study of American women yielded similar results: “The reasons most frequently cited were that
having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.”
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf
["A study published in Guttmacher's
International Family Planning Perspectives in 1998 said risk to a woman's health was the main reason for 2.8% of U.S. abortions in 1987-88."]
c. We must
reject the view that inconvenience of a mother’s informed choice outweighs the unalienable right to life of the child she bears by virtue of that choice.
7. "A zygote is not a person."
Actually, it is. It is a human being from the instant the two strands of DNA unite.
I believe I just aborted your entire post.
Hope you learned something.
