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The Pfizer failure.....THIRD dose needed within a year

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Of primary importance to China is the fact that they limited the deaths to the Corona virus to something in the vicinity of 5000.

America's incidence of death to the virus would be something close to 4000 times that, per capita difference considered.

America is the greatest military power on the face of the earth by far, but now can claim superiority on one more factor!

And there you really believe their BS? The were the first to discover the virus, they didn't know what it was or what caused it, it showed up in December. in a densely populated area the have had only 4600 deaths?

So the largest population in the world with 1.4 billion people, the infected rate is 95th in the world? 57th in the world in total deaths, deaths per million is 194th? No country is even close to their numbers, they have totally lied and there is no way a totally sane person can look at these numbers and even pretend the are true.
They did shut Wuhan province down for 4 to 6 weeks, a complete lockdown and quarantine....So this did slow their spread and deaths, greatly.

At the same time, they still are likely lying about their death counts.
Wishful thinking needs to be backed up by evidence. Otherwise you just come off an another blood thirsty and hateful American.

Racism could also be a factor?

Race has nothing to do with this. The distrust in the Chinese government is the issue. I have no issue with the people of China, just their government, which is warranted. And questioning the numbers doesn't make anyone bloodthirsty nor hateful. You seem to take personal offense to any questioning of China's numbers. The numbers don't add up. No, hate just suspicion based on their history.
 

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Yep, makes sense to need a booster shot, especially with these new strains/variants coming full force at us....

I love it that this new MRNA technology can easily change or boost the vaccine, depending on what happens with variants. This kind of vaccine is a huge medical advancement for all of society! It's like the discovery of penicillin! Fingers crossed, it continues to go well....
Like the discovery of penicillin eh ??? That's a strong grade that you are giving something that you have no idea about.

Right now everybody is mere lab experiments hoping that the vaccines work.

Two of my family members just got over the virus, and they are back to work. Said it was like the flu for them (lasted a good week before starting to lift up off of them), and they never went and got any prescribed meds to help them out. Their left with a lingering cough after that first week, but that's about it. It was the same for me too. I don't have any lingering health issues from it, and that's great.
Three of my workers at work had covid,when I heard that I told everyone at work,they’ll be okay,they will be back soon,sure enough after following work mandated guildlines to stay quarantined for two weeks at home,they were back as I knew they would.
That is because COVID is only dangerous to the infirm. Same as FLU.
It’s only dangerous to the elderly who are almost on death row anyways.
 

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Yep, makes sense to need a booster shot, especially with these new strains/variants coming full force at us....

I love it that this new MRNA technology can easily change or boost the vaccine, depending on what happens with variants. This kind of vaccine is a huge medical advancement for all of society! It's like the discovery of penicillin! Fingers crossed, it continues to go well....
Like the discovery of penicillin eh ??? That's a strong grade that you are giving something that you have no idea about.

Right now everybody is mere lab experiments hoping that the vaccines work.

Two of my family members just got over the virus, and they are back to work. Said it was like the flu for them (lasted a good week before starting to lift up off of them), and they never went and got any prescribed meds to help them out. Their left with a lingering cough after that first week, but that's about it. It was the same for me too. I don't have any lingering health issues from it, and that's great.
The latest recommendation that I am following is if people are over 70 and/or with certain health conditions they should get the vaccine because they don’t want to take the risk of a really bad case and also if people have pre-existing conditions that have been connected to poor outcomes.
That’s the WORST thing they could do.we have treatment available that kills ALL viruses,ignore this troll,she ignores facts that there are some doctors that had access to hydroxy something,a real long name,and reported in every case of treating the elderly they came out and were just fine afterwards,the government is suppressing this cure the fact they want us all to take the poison as part of the agenda they have had planned against us for decades to depopulate the world.they even bombed the plant that made it here in the states.here in the states it is suppressed from us but you go over to countries like Africa,you can get it over the counter.we got the most corrupt government in the world.
 

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Yep, makes sense to need a booster shot, especially with these new strains/variants coming full force at us....

I love it that this new MRNA technology can easily change or boost the vaccine, depending on what happens with variants. This kind of vaccine is a huge medical advancement for all of society! It's like the discovery of penicillin! Fingers crossed, it continues to go well....
Like the discovery of penicillin eh ??? That's a strong grade that you are giving something that you have no idea about.

Right now everybody is mere lab experiments hoping that the vaccines work.

Two of my family members just got over the virus, and they are back to work. Said it was like the flu for them (lasted a good week before starting to lift up off of them), and they never went and got any prescribed meds to help them out. Their left with a lingering cough after that first week, but that's about it. It was the same for me too. I don't have any lingering health issues from it, and that's great.
The latest recommendation that I am following is if people are over 70 and/or with certain health conditions they should get the vaccine because they don’t want to take the risk of a really bad case and also if people have pre-existing conditions that have been connected to poor outcomes.
That’s the WORST thing they could do.we have treatment available that kills ALL viruses,ignore this troll,she ignores facts that there are some doctors that had access to hydroxy something,a real long name,and reported in every case of treating the elderly they came out and were just fine afterwards,the government is suppressing this cure the fact they want us all to take the poison as part of the agenda they have had planned against us for decades to depopulate the world.they even bombed the plant that made it here in the states.here in the states it is suppressed from us but you go over to countries like Africa,you can get it over the counter.we got the most corrupt government in the world.
Over 85 crowd has worst outcome with COVID-19, but not a well-studied population. That is according to a study that covered worst hospital cases nationwide. Notice the source states that: "The trend may be due, in part, to the fact that many elderly people have chronic medical conditions, such as heart disease and diabetes, that can exacerbate the symptoms of COVID-19, according to the CDC. The ability of the immune system to fight off pathogens also declines with age, leaving elderly people vulnerable to severe viral infections, Stat News reported." Oh? You don't say! Yes...preexisting conditions the factor.

For the record, I'm not recommending anyone from any age group get the shot, but can see where certain populations have more risk who could go that route to reduce the risk.

I am only in charge of my body, not anyone else's on this board. I just state my opinions like everyone else.
 
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China messed up so much because during the first attempt at gathering data Chinese politics never left the room (paraphrasing a member of that first group). China messed up but will never accept blame. China messed up and lied, tried to cover up their evidence, and alas...the initial group of investigators found squat. No surprise for anyone who is familiar with China's "save face at all costs" top priority. The fact that experts cannot agree supports the evidence was buried. We can only hope the next group that's going in will be capable of learning the truth. I hate to doubt but considering it's now over a year out....I will still hold out hope but it's going to take effort.
Of primary importance to China is the fact that they limited the deaths to the Corona virus to something in the vicinity of 5000.

America's incidence of death to the virus would be something close to 4000 times that, per capita difference considered.

America is the greatest military power on the face of the earth by far, but now can claim superiority on one more factor!

Evidence tells a different story about China. China did not limit deaths because they could have stopped it from spreading in its early phase.

Fact: "The censorship on Jan. 1 of eight doctors who tried to issue an early warning has become a lightning rod for public anger over the government’s slow initial response. But it’s now emerged that there were at least four other key moments in which authorities could’ve slowed the spread of the virus if they had acted more quickly to educate the public and limit travel and mass gatherings."

Fact: China delayed giving WHO crucial information when it could have containted virus.

Fact: "After SARS, Chinese health officials built an infectious disease reporting system to evade political meddling. But when the coronavirus emerged, so did fears of upsetting Beijing." After doctors in Wuhan began treating clusters of patients stricken with a mysterious pneumonia in December, the reporting was supposed to have been automatic. Instead however, hospitals deferred to local health officials who, over a political aversion to sharing bad news, withheld information about cases from the national reporting system — keeping Beijing in the dark and delaying the response. Even after Beijing got involved, local officials set narrow criteria for confirming cases, leaving out information that could have providedues that the virus was spreading among humans.
600,000 : success :: 5000 : failure.
You're trying to blow smoke up and American dead dog's ass.
Most of the world distrusts China..and rightly so due to past and current actions. Give it a rest. Your posts are wear with anti-US this and that. I can only guess as to your motive to post. You are in a specific errr...subset for sure! Carry on...I knew from last time you'd go all silly whenever you lack substance.
China goofed. They seem very bright people to me. I am pretty certain they will never make that same mistake again.

People make mistakes. My parents taught us that to err is human, to forgive is divine. I hereby forgive the Chinese for a terrible mistake that I don't think they planned at all.
 
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China messed up so much because during the first attempt at gathering data Chinese politics never left the room (paraphrasing a member of that first group). China messed up but will never accept blame. China messed up and lied, tried to cover up their evidence, and alas...the initial group of investigators found squat. No surprise for anyone who is familiar with China's "save face at all costs" top priority. The fact that experts cannot agree supports the evidence was buried. We can only hope the next group that's going in will be capable of learning the truth. I hate to doubt but considering it's now over a year out....I will still hold out hope but it's going to take effort.
Of primary importance to China is the fact that they limited the deaths to the Corona virus to something in the vicinity of 5000.

America's incidence of death to the virus would be something close to 4000 times that, per capita difference considered.

America is the greatest military power on the face of the earth by far, but now can claim superiority on one more factor!

Evidence tells a different story about China. China did not limit deaths because they could have stopped it from spreading in its early phase.

Fact: "The censorship on Jan. 1 of eight doctors who tried to issue an early warning has become a lightning rod for public anger over the government’s slow initial response. But it’s now emerged that there were at least four other key moments in which authorities could’ve slowed the spread of the virus if they had acted more quickly to educate the public and limit travel and mass gatherings."

Fact: China delayed giving WHO crucial information when it could have containted virus.

Fact: "After SARS, Chinese health officials built an infectious disease reporting system to evade political meddling. But when the coronavirus emerged, so did fears of upsetting Beijing." After doctors in Wuhan began treating clusters of patients stricken with a mysterious pneumonia in December, the reporting was supposed to have been automatic. Instead however, hospitals deferred to local health officials who, over a political aversion to sharing bad news, withheld information about cases from the national reporting system — keeping Beijing in the dark and delaying the response. Even after Beijing got involved, local officials set narrow criteria for confirming cases, leaving out information that could have providedues that the virus was spreading among humans.
600,000 : success :: 5000 : failure.
You're trying to blow smoke up and American dead dog's ass.
Most of the world distrusts China..and rightly so due to past and current actions. Give it a rest. Your posts are wear with anti-US this and that. I can only guess as to your motive to post. You are in a specific errr...subset for sure! Carry on...I knew from last time you'd go all silly whenever you lack substance.
China goofed. They seem very bright people to me. I am pretty certain they will never make that same mistake again.

People make mistakes. My parents taught us that to err is human, to forgive is divine. I hereby forgive the Chinese for a terrible mistake that I don't think they planned at all.

And you're a fucking moron.

We know for a fact Fauci himself funded the Wuhan lab. Of COURSE he can't be trusted. You can't have your hand in the cookie jar and then be trusted not to eat the cookies. China released this virus on purpose to damage Trumps chances of being reelected. The timing was perfect, Fauci being put in charge was too perfect. Had Trump known how deep Fauci's little fingers were in Wuhan, he would have been arrested, not picked to direct the country in the midst of a pandemic killing a half million americans.


 

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OP and others had best study up on the E484K mutation, one of the few that stands out from the rest. However, it’s that mutation that may be the culprit for the failure of any vaccine, not just Pfizer’s. None can yet say that all the mutations that comprise a variant are acting in synergy. The E484K mutation is on the threshold of becoming particularly considered in all future C-19 vaccines.
 

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