The “Party of Democracy” has bypassed the democratic process and installed Kamala Harris without an election

[Fort Fun Indiana]

81 million peole voted for Kamala as Joe's replacement.

They'll be fine.

 

[dblack]

Blameless , what a joke how the hell are they suppose to respond to hate driven lies. You are suggesting that this hate from MAGA is justifiable ...

Quote it. I've said no such thing. But there are reasons why people are fed up with Democrats, and Democrats blithely ignore those reasons. If, instead, they learned from their mistakes, they could get back some of the working class whites and wipe the floor with Trump.

... Your market for this ...
... Your level of reality seems ....

I'm pretty sure you know I'm not a Trumpster, so stop trolling me by suggesting otherwise. I'm just tired of the blind partisanship and the refusal to adjust course when you're alienating half the country.

 

[bendog]

Quote it. I've said no such thing. But there are reasons why people are fed up with Democrats, and Democrats blithely ignore those reasons. If, instead, they learned from their mistakes, they could get back some of the working class whites and wipe the floor with Trump.

I'm pretty sure you know I'm not a Trumpster, so stop trolling me by suggesting otherwise. I'm just tired of the blind partisanship and the refusal to adjust course when you're alienating half the country.

I'm not so sure about that. Were it not for his personality, Trump should be winning, even though he never did shit for working class people. He gave them "issues" like tariffs and ending Obamacare.

It seems to me that both Harris and Walz are left of center Ds. Harris did run for that superprog award to succeed the Ds old wierd guy, but ... few bought her act.

 

[dblack]

I'm not so sure about that.

Not sure about what? That Dems could win easily if they simply address some of the legitimate concerns of the voters they've lost?

Were it not for his personality, Trump should be winning, even though he never did shit for working class people. He gave them "issues" like tariffs and ending Obamacare.

Trump is a populist conman. And lots of Republicans and independents would really rather vote for someone else. But they're fed up with Democrats and don't know where else to turn.

 

[bendog]

Not sure about what? That Dems could win easily if they simply address some of the legitimate concerns of the voters they've lost?

Trump is a populist conman. And lots of Republicans and independents would really rather vote for someone else. But they're fed up with Democrats and don't know where else to turn.

I don't agree. Trump trots out issues that will never be. His supposed postcard tax return of 2016. Repealing Obamacare? whose would that hurt? Abortion? Supermajs exist in Miss to codify a right, but it'll never get to a vote. And Trump will win every time.

imo, what's occurring is that working class people who consistently vote Trump DON"T want govt assistance even though the reason the very very rich are rich is because of ..... govt policy. Trump sells them the bs that they to can be billionaries, even though he probably isn't one either.

 

[dblack]

I don't agree. Trump trots out issues that will never be. His supposed postcard tax return of 2016. Repealing Obamacare? whose would that hurt? Abortion? Supermajs exist in Miss to codify a right, but it'll never get to a vote. And Trump will win every time.

Uh.. you say you disagree, but then cite unrelated stuff.

imo, what's occurring is that working class people who consistently vote Trump DON"T want govt assistance even though the reason the very very rich are rich is because of ..... govt policy. Trump sells them the bs that they to can be billionaries, even though he probably isn't one either.

Maybe. But that still doesn't address what I'm talking about. I'm saying if Dems actually gave some of their concerns some attention, it would be relatively easy to get those voters back. Not free shit, not govt assistance, but actually listening. Basically that means doing something real about the border and backing off on the "freak-of-the-week" approach to civil rights. aka the woke doctrine. That doesn't mean building a wall or turning back the clock on gay marriage. But how hard would it be to make real efforts to clamp down on illegal immigration (while streamlining things for guest workers), or getting back to emphasizing equal rights rather than "equity"?

 

[bendog]

Uh.. you say you disagree, but then cite unrelated stuff.

Maybe. But that still doesn't address what I'm talking about. I'm saying if Dems actually gave some of their concerns some attention, it would be relatively easy to get those voters back. Not free shit, not govt assistance, but actually listening. Basically that means doing something real about the border and backing off on the "freak-of-the-week" approach to civil rights. aka the woke doctrine. That doesn't mean building a wall or turning back the clock on gay marriage. But how hard would it be to make real efforts to clamp down on illegal immigration (while streamlining things for guest workers), or getting back to emphasizing equal rights rather than "equity"?

I don't see how anything I posted is unrelated to the topic. But from your examples ..... what black jobs are illegal aliens taking? None. But, I'm absolutely against what Biden's done with amnesty (or come on in). Freak of the week. In the 1980s Reagan chose to do nothing about Aids. The freak of the week is your neighbor twenty years hence. I do agree the dems would be better off just saying "why be mean to anyone," but transgender people are not responsible for intolerance. These are gop wedge issues, to detract from .... Dobbs.

I'd agree that working class people don't want handouts. Putting their kids is Schips .... maybe ok. Putting them in medicaid is NOT ok. But the gop is why we didn't just get a tax credit for every American to be identically treated in getting medical care. G5000 and I debated that years ago.

What's happening is the gop doesn't DO JACK SHIT for workers besides dump debt on their kids. And the gop tells them ... the illegals are why your kids aren't neurosurgeons.

 

[dblack]

I don't see how anything I posted is unrelated to the topic. But from your examples ..... what black jobs are illegal aliens taking? None. But, I'm absolutely against what Biden's done with amnesty (or come on in). Freak of the week. In the 1980s Reagan chose to do nothing about Aids. The freak of the week is your neighbor twenty years hence. I do agree the dems would be better off just saying "why be mean to anyone," but transgender people are not responsible for intolerance. These are gop wedge issues, to detract from .... Dobbs.

I'd agree that working class people don't want handouts. Putting their kids is Schips .... maybe ok. Putting them in medicaid is NOT ok. But the gop is why we didn't just get a tax credit for every American to be identically treated in getting medical care. G5000 and I debated that years ago.

What's happening is the gop doesn't DO JACK SHIT for workers besides dump debt on their kids. And the gop tells them ... the illegals are why your kids aren't neurosurgeons.

Ok. Miss the point if you like. Ostrich up!

 

[jbander]

Quote it. I've said no such thing. But there are reasons why people are fed up with Democrats, and Democrats blithely ignore those reasons. If, instead, they learned from their mistakes, they could get back some of the working class whites and wipe the floor with Trump.

I'm pretty sure you know I'm not a Trumpster, so stop trolling me by suggesting otherwise. I'm just tired of the blind partisanship and the refusal to adjust course when you're alienating half the country.

Fuck MAGA , everyone should be in front of the court for treason and when found guilty they should be put to death as the constitution prescribes. I'll push the button on all of them. They have no redeeming value if you can't see the difference between the two party's. then your just as bad. These both sides are bad idiots are wimps , if they can't take a position on this , they shouldn't be allowed to even think.

 

[jbander]

Quote it. I've said no such thing. But there are reasons why people are fed up with Democrats, and Democrats blithely ignore those reasons. If, instead, they learned from their mistakes, they could get back some of the working class whites and wipe the floor with Trump.

I'm pretty sure you know I'm not a Trumpster, so stop trolling me by suggesting otherwise. I'm just tired of the blind partisanship and the refusal to adjust course when you're alienating half the country.

after this comment of yours tell me why in the hell should anyone even consider what you have to say. You are a waste.

 

[dblack]

after this comment of yours tell me why in the hell should anyone even consider what you have to say. You are a waste.

Ok. I get this kind of reaction a lot from the two shit-parties.

 

[bendog]

Ok. Miss the point if you like. Ostrich up!

blow it out your ass. You can't even state a coherent thought. But both parties fuck over the workers. Trump ain't no improvement over W. The question that you CONSISTENTLY REFUSE OR ARE UNABLE TO CONSIDER is .... whose worse.

 

[jbander]

Ok. I get this kind of reaction a lot from the two shit-parties.

We will keep it simple for stupid people, one believes in dictatorship and one believes in democracy. Debate over! Wimp can't take the heat so both party's are just as bad ,that way wimps can't get backed into a corner.

 

[dblack]

blow it out your ass. You can't even state a coherent thought. But both parties fuck over the workers. Trump ain't no improvement over W. The question that you CONSISTENTLY REFUSE OR ARE UNABLE TO CONSIDER is .... whose worse.

You're right, I won't consider voting for a shitty candidate. Even if there's another who is worse. That's the "logic" that's painted us into this corner. It's why the two dominate parties keep serving up worse and worse candidates. Because you morons keep voting for them, no matter how bad they are.

 

[jbander]

You're right, I won't consider voting for a shitty candidate. Even if there's another who is worse. That's the "logic" that's painted us into this corner. It's why the two dominate parties keep serving up worse and worse candidates. Because you morons keep voting for them, no matter how bad they are.

Fine that just one more idiot that isn't voting and choosing a President. Idiots aren't smart enough to decide for everyone else anyway.

 

[dblack]

Fine that just one more idiot that isn't voting and choosing a President. Idiots aren't smart enough to decide for everyone else anyway.

LOL - idiots are indeed the problem with Democracy. Which is why I don't get the infatuation with it, as a decision making process. For example, if Trump wins - if the majority vote for Trump and he is democratically elected - will you see that as a good thing? Will you laud that as the "will of the people" and dutifully fall in line with the fascists? I won't. Will of the people be damned, I'll resist.

 

[jbander]

LOL - idiots are indeed the problem with Democracy. Which is why I don't get the infatuation with it, as a decision making process. For example, if Trump wins - if the majority vote for Trump and he is democratically elected - will you see that as a good thing? Will you laud that as the "will of the people" and dutifully fall in line with the fascists? I won't. Will of the people be damned, I'll resist.

Fine that just one more idiot that isn't voting and choosing a President. Idiots aren't smart enough to decide for everyone else anyway.

 

[dblack]

Idiots aren't smart enough to decide for everyone else anyway.

I hear ya. But isn't that "democracy"?

 

[jbander]

I hear ya. But isn't that "democracy"?

So what , people should still hold people feet to the fire , If they vote out of hate stupidity and lies as in MAGA , I'll say they decided because of hate stupidity and lies, IF they throw away a vote or don't vote. They aren't part of the democratic decision process. I will spend as little time as possible talking with people who throw away their vote or don't vote at all, Why would anyone.

 

[dblack]

So what , people should still hold people feet to the fire , If they vote out of hate stupidity and lies as in MAGA , I'll say they decided because of hate stupidity and lies, IF they throw away a vote or don't vote. They aren't part of the democratic decision process. I will spend as little time as possible talking with people who throw away their vote or don't vote at all, Why would anyone.

Just as I disregard people who vote for a bad candidate on purpose. That's fundamentally stupid.