The only people who continue to promote wind/solar are those who are ignorant of basic physics. Only nuclear can produce the levels of energy we need

[martybegan]

I don't know, but I do see the glass as half full. I believe trail and error, innovation, other stuff is happening even now.

That all fine and dandy until that error leads to 1st world countries experiencing brown outs and people not being able to buy any cars anymore because new ICE vehicles are banned, used ones cost more than new ones did, and they live in apartment buildings and thus don't have access to their own charger, and charging takes over 1/2 an hour, unlike filling as gas tank.

 

[Dante]

That all fine and dandy until that error leads to 1st world countries experiencing brown outs and people not being able to buy any cars anymore because new ICE vehicles are banned, used ones cost more than new ones did, and they live in apartment buildings and thus don't have access to their own charger, and charging takes over 1/2 an hour, unlike filling as gas tank.

I don't see that future. I'm no prepper material

 

[martybegan]

I don't see that future. I'm no prepper material

You don't have to be prepper for that is they keep adding electrical demand without adding enough supply, and reliable supply at that. This isn't a random disaster, this is government willfully not thinking things through due to ideology.

And the banning new ICE vehicle sales is socioeconomic issue, not a technological one, although the tech issue makes the bans seem kind of wishful thinking now 10 years or so away from them.

 

[Dante]

You don't have to be prepper for that is they keep adding electrical demand without adding enough supply, and reliable supply at that. This isn't a random disaster, this is government willfully not thinking things through due to ideology.

And the banning new ICE vehicle sales is socioeconomic issue, not a technological one, although the tech issue makes the bans seem kind of wishful thinking now 10 years or so away from them.

Why aren't power companies adding more whatever?

Is it the government's job to provide energy?

And I see your ideology kicked in at full speed

 

[martybegan]

Why aren't power companies adding more whatever?

Is it the government's job to provide energy?

And I see your ideology kicked in at full speed

They are removing fossil based power (as well as Nuclear) and replacing it with ??????

Maybe because government regulations as being imposed by the current administration make it non cost effective to add more of the reliable type? They are all in on wind and solar, and keep forgetting about baseline and the needed storage for intermittent sources.

Sorry, but the left's ideology is what's getting us into this issue in the first place, and it goes back to my original point, these are ideas people, not make it work people, and they don't really like the make it work people.

 

[Dante]

They are removing fossil based power (as well as Nuclear) and replacing it with ??????

Maybe because government regulations as being imposed by the current administration make it non cost effective to add more of the reliable type? They are all in on wind and solar, and keep forgetting about baseline and the needed storage for intermittent sources.

Sorry, but the left's ideology is what's getting us into this issue in the first place, and it goes back to my original point, these are ideas people, not make it work people, and they don't really like the make it work people.

It's your ideological framing that gives you so little credibility here.

Sorry. Everything is not ideologically driven. Viewing climate change and attempting to deal with it is not ideology, but attacks on doing anything are.

Even Big Oil is planning for the fossil fuels lose market share. They will diversify while ideologues like you cry.

 

[martybegan]

It's your ideological framing that gives you so little credibility here.

Sorry. Everything is not ideologically driven. Viewing climate change and attempting to deal with it is not ideology, but attacks on doing anything are.

Even Big Oil is planning for the fossil fuels lose market share. They will diversify while ideologues like you cry.

No, it's your dismissal of anyone who DOESNT THINK JUST LIKE YOU that makes you think that I am not credible when discussing tech, macro-economics, and policy realities.

My view on AGW is simple, I would rather deal with the natural consequences as they occur than hand more power to a bunch of Watermelons to let them do things that may or may not help but will definitely lower my standard of living.

They pay lip service, like all large corporations, because they are cowards and think placating the left will let them be eaten by the crocodile last.

 

[Dante]

No, it's your dismissal of anyone who DOESNT THINK JUST LIKE YOU that makes you think that I am not credible when discussing tech, macro-economics, and policy realities.

My view on AGW is simple, I would rather deal with the natural consequences as they occur than hand more power to a bunch of Watermelons to let them do things that may or may not help but will definitely lower my standard of living.

They pay lip service, like all large corporations, because they are cowards and think placating the left will let them be eaten by the crocodile last.

It isn't what I think. I can only based views and opinions on what experts in fields say. I cannot and do not pretend to be an expert current or retired, on most things. Most of the credible expert's I've met, known, and no of have no spare time to spend on anonymous, wed message boards. I do not suggest some people here are more knowledgeable or schooled in certain fields than I'd ever be, as I on;y g with what personally interests me.


"What is the AGW theory?

Anthropogenic global warming is the name given to the rise in average global temperatures that is primarily attributed to human activity. Global warming is caused by the build-up of greenhouse gases in the Earth's atmosphere. These gases form a "blanket" around Earth that traps energy from the sun."

I see your view on it as being far too simplistic. If you tryly worried about any standard of living, you'd be very worried about what AGW is causing to economies.

The weird arguments about Large corporations kneeling to some unnamed, anonymous Left is just that -- weird.

 

[elektra]

Every new technology looks like a "boondoggle" at first.

Bullshit

 

[martybegan]

It isn't what I think. I can only based views and opinions on what experts in fields say. I cannot and do not pretend to be an expert current or retired, on most things. Most of the credible expert's I've met, known, and no of have no spare time to spend on anonymous, wed message boards. I do not suggest some people here are more knowledgeable or schooled in certain fields than I'd ever be, as I on;y g with what personally interests me.


"What is the AGW theory?

Anthropogenic global warming is the name given to the rise in average global temperatures that is primarily attributed to human activity. Global warming is caused by the build-up of greenhouse gases in the Earth's atmosphere. These gases form a "blanket" around Earth that traps energy from the sun."

I see your view on it as being far too simplistic. If you tryly worried about any standard of living, you'd be very worried about what AGW is causing to economies.

The weird arguments about Large corporations kneeling to some unnamed, anonymous Left is just that -- weird.

Experts are good for explaining how things work in detail, but they shouldn't be automatically accepted as being unquestionable when deciding why to do things or if to do things.

Sorry, but Humans adapt, that's what we do. I simply don't trust those in power to be truthful about all this or to have my best interests at heart.

Back to you being unable to deal with those who think differently than you.

 

[Dante]

Experts are good for explaining how things work in detail, but they shouldn't be automatically accepted as being unquestionable when deciding why to do things or if to do things.

Sorry, but Humans adapt, that's what we do. I simply don't trust those in power to be truthful about all this or to have my best interests at heart.

Back to you being unable to deal with those who think differently than you.

No one is saying what you refer to in the first sentence here.

Like cockroaches, humans will and do adapt. What humans will have to adapt to is the fear. It drives everything, including ideas about your potential standard of living.

Thinking? When people regurgitate ideological screeds, I refuse to accept that those people are somehow thinking.

 

[elektra]

As far as it goes, nuclear is a great idea with certain limitations. The navy has been using nuclear ships for what--70 years now? Pretty much without a major incident. Let the utilities build some plants with the stipulation that the Navy will run them.. Let the navy run them.

The Navy buys nuclear powered ships, thdy do not build them.
The nuclear reactor in the ships are designed and built by the same corporations that built tbe nuckear reactors that melted down, like Three Mile Island
Navy personal retire and or leave the Navy already and operate our Nuclear reactors

 

[elektra]

Solar and Wind power, older than Fossil Fuels, not really that new, and still a 100% failure

 

[jwoodie]

Every new technology looks like a "boondoggle" at first.

Every failed idea has an excuse afterwards.

 

[martybegan]

No one is saying what you refer to in the first sentence here.

Like cockroaches, humans will and do adapt. What humans will have to adapt to is the fear. It drives everything, including ideas about your potential standard of living.

Thinking? When people regurgitate ideological screeds, I refuse to accept that those people are somehow thinking.

"Trust the Science", "Trust the Experts" "Don't question them". Please that's all we get now, appeals to authority, and questionable authority at that.

That isn't fear, that's knowing the nature of people described in my sig.

You say regurgitate, but what's happening is your beliefs being questioned. You are one of those people who probably thought you have gotten rid of a godhead, but you have just replaced it with belief just as dogmatic in AGW, LGBTQ+-null, socialism, or whatever.

 

[candycorn]

The Navy buys nuclear powered ships, thdy do not build them.

They operate them.

The nuclear reactor in the ships are designed and built by the same corporations that built tbe nuckear reactors that melted down, like Three Mile Island
Navy personal retire and or leave the Navy already and operate our Nuclear reactors

Maybe, maybe not. You can’t intelligently speak on any topic much less make the board statement that they all retire and operate nuclear reactors.

 

[elektra]

They operate them.

Maybe, maybe not. You can’t intelligently speak on any topic much less make the board statement that they all retire and operate nuclear reactors.

I did not say all, but it is a fact thst every nuclear power plant does have ex-navy personal operating them.

I know, I have worked at half the nuclear power plants in the USA.

I can also say every nuclear plant has united states marines, as guards

It is my career, nuclear power

 

[Dante]

"Trust the Science", "Trust the Experts" "Don't question them". Please that's all we get now, appeals to authority, and questionable authority at that.

That isn't fear, that's knowing the nature of people described in my sig.

You say regurgitate, but what's happening is your beliefs being questioned. You are one of those people who probably thought you have gotten rid of a godhead, but you have just replaced it with belief just as dogmatic in AGW, LGBTQ+-null, socialism, or whatever.

One can trust people while also questioning.

I don't deal in false choices.

 

[elektra]

One can trust people while also questioning.

I don't deal in false choices.

How would you know

 

[candycorn]

I did not say all, but it is a fact thst every nuclear power plant does have ex-navy personal operating them.

Unlikely but whatever.

I know, I have worked at half the nuclear power plants in the USA.

Sure.

I can also say every nuclear plant has united states marines, as guards

It is my career, nuclear power

LOL... Okay.