The only law that will disarm criminals, is a TOTAL BAN on guns, followed by confiscation

[Nosmo King]

What if the NRA and the gun nuts stop standing on the neck of the CDC and allow a thorough study of gun violence, its causes and solutions?

Then we might be able to craft effective legislation.

Unless the NRA simply wants more gun violence in order to sell more guns, causing more gun violence, and the sale of more guns.

How does studying gun violence make the guns go away, Holmes?

How does studying anything help you understand it better? We have institutions here in our human society called SCHOOLS. Schools are places people attend and there they study things. People get an intellectual handle on those things so they may understand them better and, in most cases, develop solutions for problems based on that intellectual handle.

Perhaps you would benefit by attending a school.

Um...I didn't say studying gun violence doesn't tell you anything about gun violence, I said it doesn't get rid of the guns. Studying solar flares doesn't get rid of solar flares.

I mean duh. What grade did you drop out?

Could studying gun violence help us craft a reasonable and effective solution to gun violence?

 

[Nosmo King]

What if the NRA and the gun nuts stop standing on the neck of the CDC and allow a thorough study of gun violence, its causes and solutions?

Then we might be able to craft effective legislation.

Unless the NRA simply wants more gun violence in order to sell more guns, causing more gun violence, and the sale of more guns.

How does studying gun violence make the guns go away, Holmes?

How does studying anything help you understand it better?

What can be said or studied that has not been said or studied ad infinitum?

The problem is not guns, but the failure of modern society to understand human nature, and that it has dispensed with all effective moral training.

Relativity sounds fair, but prevents nothing.

Why does America suffer disproportionally from gun violence? What has been the effect of flooding our nation with guns? How do the mentally frazzled obtain guns? What type of guns are used most often in instances of gun violence? How has the advent of semi-automatic firing systems coupled with high capacity ammunition magazines effected mass shooting incidents? Are guns in a home a greater potential danger than not having guns at home? How are guns in homes secured? What are the true numbers of accidental shootings compared with intentional shootings?

Can it be truly said precisely what the problem with guns is? Are we arguing from anecdote and hammer headed political stances, or facts and truths?

The NRA must stop blocking gun violence studies.

What studies have they blocked?

Studies by the CDC were blocked. Actually, they way the NRA had the legislation written, no money could be spent to release the studies.

 

[Nosmo King]

Saying that America has a love affair with guns and the resulting violence is merely a byproduct of that love affair is both irresponsible and foolishly simplistic.

Good thing I didn't say that then, dumbass.

You equated American gun violence with Japanese charcoal suicides and Iraqi bombings. Your inference is as our culture is gun-centric, our means of human destruction will be based in gun violence. Had we had a culture of suicide bombers, we would be plagued by that form of violence. If we were more like the Japanese, we would be turning Weber kettles over each other.

But, we have guns.

 

[Missourian]

How does studying gun violence make the guns go away, Holmes?

How does studying anything help you understand it better?

What can be said or studied that has not been said or studied ad infinitum?

The problem is not guns, but the failure of modern society to understand human nature, and that it has dispensed with all effective moral training.

Relativity sounds fair, but prevents nothing.

Why does America suffer disproportionally from gun violence? What has been the effect of flooding our nation with guns? How do the mentally frazzled obtain guns? What type of guns are used most often in instances of gun violence? How has the advent of semi-automatic firing systems coupled with high capacity ammunition magazines effected mass shooting incidents? Are guns in a home a greater potential danger than not having guns at home? How are guns in homes secured? What are the true numbers of accidental shootings compared with intentional shootings?

Can it be truly said precisely what the problem with guns is? Are we arguing from anecdote and hammer headed political stances, or facts and truths?

The NRA must stop blocking gun violence studies.

What studies have they blocked?

Studies by the CDC were blocked. Actually, they way the NRA had the legislation written, no money could be spent to release the studies.

Guns aren't a disease. I'm not opposed to studies. What studies are you contributing to financially?

 

[Nosmo King]

How does studying anything help you understand it better?

What can be said or studied that has not been said or studied ad infinitum?

The problem is not guns, but the failure of modern society to understand human nature, and that it has dispensed with all effective moral training.

Relativity sounds fair, but prevents nothing.

Why does America suffer disproportionally from gun violence? What has been the effect of flooding our nation with guns? How do the mentally frazzled obtain guns? What type of guns are used most often in instances of gun violence? How has the advent of semi-automatic firing systems coupled with high capacity ammunition magazines effected mass shooting incidents? Are guns in a home a greater potential danger than not having guns at home? How are guns in homes secured? What are the true numbers of accidental shootings compared with intentional shootings?

Can it be truly said precisely what the problem with guns is? Are we arguing from anecdote and hammer headed political stances, or facts and truths?

The NRA must stop blocking gun violence studies.

What studies have they blocked?

Studies by the CDC were blocked. Actually, they way the NRA had the legislation written, no money could be spent to release the studies.

Guns aren't a disease. I'm not opposed to studies. What studies are you contributing to financially?

Guns are a threat to public health. If you can't see that, perhaps you should think about what public health is.

 

[Missourian]

What can be said or studied that has not been said or studied ad infinitum?

The problem is not guns, but the failure of modern society to understand human nature, and that it has dispensed with all effective moral training.

Relativity sounds fair, but prevents nothing.

Why does America suffer disproportionally from gun violence? What has been the effect of flooding our nation with guns? How do the mentally frazzled obtain guns? What type of guns are used most often in instances of gun violence? How has the advent of semi-automatic firing systems coupled with high capacity ammunition magazines effected mass shooting incidents? Are guns in a home a greater potential danger than not having guns at home? How are guns in homes secured? What are the true numbers of accidental shootings compared with intentional shootings?

Can it be truly said precisely what the problem with guns is? Are we arguing from anecdote and hammer headed political stances, or facts and truths?

The NRA must stop blocking gun violence studies.

What studies have they blocked?

Studies by the CDC were blocked. Actually, they way the NRA had the legislation written, no money could be spent to release the studies.

Guns aren't a disease. I'm not opposed to studies. What studies are you contributing to financially?

Guns are a threat to public health. If you can't see that, perhaps you should think about what public health is.

Guns aren't a threat to public health. Criminals are. Mental illness is. Guns are not. They aren't germs, they aren't viruses. They are inanimate objects.

You want a study on gun violence, let the FBI do it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"The only law that will disarm criminals, is a TOTAL BAN on guns, followed by confiscation"

This fails as a straw man fallacy, no one advocates a 'total ban' of firearms, nor does anyone advocate firearms be 'confiscated.'

Any measure attempting to do so would be invalidated by the courts as a violation of the Second, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution.

In addition to being a straw man fallacy this is nothing more than ridiculous demagoguery and fear-mongering.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Looks like no one disputes that a 100% ban on guns for the entire law-abiding populace, followed by mass confiscation and a permanent, draconian police state to continually raid people's houses looking for guns, is the only way to disarm criminals. The "gun control" laws liberals have tried so far, clearly don't work. And the liberals know it.

Keep this in mind when you see them pushing for "more gun laws" or "common sense restrictions" anyway.

Another ridiculous lie from the right.

No one has maintained that a given regulatory measure, or firearm regulatory policies in general, would be a 'panacea' for gun crimes and violence or do away with mass shootings altogether.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Laws are designed to reduce crime, not end it.

Unlike so-called "gun control" laws, which only disarm law-abiding people, and so increase crime.

Remember that most mass shooters seek out "gun free zones".

Another ridiculous lie from the right.

In no jurisdiction in the United States is there any law authorizing citizens to be 'disarmed,' nor does there exist any law prohibiting citizens from possessing firearms for lawful self-defense.

It's gotten to the point where most conservatives lie so much that they don't even know what the truth is anymore.

 

[SwimExpert]

You equated American gun violence with Japanese charcoal suicides and Iraqi bombings. Your inference is as our culture is gun-centric, our means of human destruction will be based in gun violence.

No, it's not, dumbass.

 

[Nosmo King]

Why does America suffer disproportionally from gun violence? What has been the effect of flooding our nation with guns? How do the mentally frazzled obtain guns? What type of guns are used most often in instances of gun violence? How has the advent of semi-automatic firing systems coupled with high capacity ammunition magazines effected mass shooting incidents? Are guns in a home a greater potential danger than not having guns at home? How are guns in homes secured? What are the true numbers of accidental shootings compared with intentional shootings?

Can it be truly said precisely what the problem with guns is? Are we arguing from anecdote and hammer headed political stances, or facts and truths?

The NRA must stop blocking gun violence studies.

What studies have they blocked?

Studies by the CDC were blocked. Actually, they way the NRA had the legislation written, no money could be spent to release the studies.

Guns aren't a disease. I'm not opposed to studies. What studies are you contributing to financially?

Guns are a threat to public health. If you can't see that, perhaps you should think about what public health is.

Guns aren't a threat to public health. Criminals are. Mental illness is. Guns are not. They aren't germs, they aren't viruses. They are inanimate objects.

You want a study on gun violence, let the FBI do it.

Guns are the ways to the means of a public health crisis. There have been consumer products banned due t their fatal threats to public health. The Chevrolet Corvair and the Ford Pinto are no longer produced because of their lack of safety. Yet there are still cars produced by both Chevy and Ford.

Lawn darts were responsible for too many emergency room visits. They're gone, yet there are plenty of backyard games made today. Cornhole is a popular game here in the Ohio River valley, and I'm sure there is a local backyard game indigenous to your part of this great country.

But today, gun violence plagues every part of the country. Amish school kids were shot at the blackboard of their modest classroom. Kids caught in crossfire at a drive by. Kids who have irresponsibly easy access to their parent's guns and things end ugly. Kids who catch rounds during domestic disputes because Mommy and Daddy had a gun at hand. And, most attention getting of all, kids on campuses and classrooms and playgrounds. And that's not to mention they bodies of adults in morgues due to gunshot. When innocent victims are claimed at an alarming rate, when the American people become indifferent to the body count, the crises is too frequent to dismiss. It is most definetly a public health issue, as much as a criminal issue.

Surely you would agree with this: after the advent of cheap, rapid fire small arms the rates of mass shootings has gone up. The reason they're called 'mass shootings' is because there are multiple victims. And they best way to reach that gruesome threshold, the shooter would have to be equipped with weaponry best suited in the hands of a "well regulated Militia" rather than on our streets in the hands of lunatics.

A public health hazard? You're goddamn right. Passing the buck, that's denial in the first degree. And denial is irresponsibility when applied to such a gross public health hazard.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Guns are the ways to the means of public health.

What? English, please.

Lawn darts were responsible for emergency room visits. They're gone

I have a set. They're great!

Cornhole is a popular game here in the Ohio River valley

But today, gun violence plagues every part of the country.

Nonsense. The number of shootings is not even a blip in terms of total population and the number of lawful gun owners.

Surely you would agree with this: after the advent of cheap, rapid fire small arms the rates of mass shootings has gone up?

No, I would say the rise of mass shootings tracks in tandem with the Left's control of education and their rejection of all moral training.

 

[Nosmo King]

Guns are the ways to the means of public health.

What? English, please.

Lawn darts were responsible for emergency room visits. They're gone

I have a set. They're great!

Cornhole is a popular game here in the Ohio River valley

But today, gun violence plagues every part of the country.

Nonsense. The number of shootings is not even a blip in terms of total population and the number of lawful gun owners.

Surely you would agree with this: after the advent of cheap, rapid fire small arms the rates of mass shootings has gone up?

No, I would say the rise of mass shootings tracks in tandem with the Left's control of education and their rejection of all moral training.

I see. We should pray away the problem.

Or are you inferring that only political Liberals are responsible for gun violence. That would mean that only political Liberals are the perpetuators of gun violence.

And shouldn't gun safety be best be taught by the parents? It's not as if there are the lack of resources, and held in private, not necessarily state controlled shooter safety programs. The kind of thing the NRA ought to do.

Are you satisfied with the deaths from gunshot? Is one too many? How about two? Or 26 kids at once? If gunshot deaths could be at least reduced, while you still keep your shot guns and hunting and sporting rifles, your revolvers and muzzle loaders.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Guns are the ways to the means of public health.

What? English, please.

Lawn darts were responsible for emergency room visits. They're gone

I have a set. They're great!

Cornhole is a popular game here in the Ohio River valley

But today, gun violence plagues every part of the country.

Nonsense. The number of shootings is not even a blip in terms of total population and the number of lawful gun owners.

Surely you would agree with this: after the advent of cheap, rapid fire small arms the rates of mass shootings has gone up?

No, I would say the rise of mass shootings tracks in tandem with the Left's control of education and their rejection of all moral training.

I see. We should pray away the problem.

You said that, not I.

Or are you inferring that only political Liberals are responsible for gun violence. That would mean that only political Liberals are the perpetuators of gun violence.

I infer nothing. You have raised in the public education system two generations of useless, cretinous thugs. It is they who are the bulk of the problem, and they are YOUR responsibility.

And shouldn't gun safety be best be taught by the parents? It's not as if there are the lack of resources, and held in private, not necessarily state controlled shooter safety programs. The kind of thing the NRA ought to do.

Both, and the NRA has offered the Eddie Eagle Gun Safety Program to all schools. Few have accepted.

Are you satisfied with the deaths from gunshot? Is one too many? How about two? Or 26 kids at once?

Stupid questions, all.

If gunshot deaths could be at least reduced, while you still keep your shot guns and hunting and sporting rifles, your revolvers and muzzle loaders.

I am not a hunter, and hunting is not mentioned in the 2nd Amendment.

 

[kaz]

What if the NRA and the gun nuts stop standing on the neck of the CDC and allow a thorough study of gun violence, its causes and solutions?

Then we might be able to craft effective legislation.

Unless the NRA simply wants more gun violence in order to sell more guns, causing more gun violence, and the sale of more guns.

How does studying gun violence make the guns go away, Holmes?

How does studying anything help you understand it better? We have institutions here in our human society called SCHOOLS. Schools are places people attend and there they study things. People get an intellectual handle on those things so they may understand them better and, in most cases, develop solutions for problems based on that intellectual handle.

Perhaps you would benefit by attending a school.

Um...I didn't say studying gun violence doesn't tell you anything about gun violence, I said it doesn't get rid of the guns. Studying solar flares doesn't get rid of solar flares.

I mean duh. What grade did you drop out?

Could studying gun violence help us craft a reasonable and effective solution to gun violence?

Not as long as you loons are focused on preventing people from defending themselves rather than focusing on the criminals, no

 

[kaz]

What can be said or studied that has not been said or studied ad infinitum?

The problem is not guns, but the failure of modern society to understand human nature, and that it has dispensed with all effective moral training.

Relativity sounds fair, but prevents nothing.

Why does America suffer disproportionally from gun violence? What has been the effect of flooding our nation with guns? How do the mentally frazzled obtain guns? What type of guns are used most often in instances of gun violence? How has the advent of semi-automatic firing systems coupled with high capacity ammunition magazines effected mass shooting incidents? Are guns in a home a greater potential danger than not having guns at home? How are guns in homes secured? What are the true numbers of accidental shootings compared with intentional shootings?

Can it be truly said precisely what the problem with guns is? Are we arguing from anecdote and hammer headed political stances, or facts and truths?

The NRA must stop blocking gun violence studies.

What studies have they blocked?

Studies by the CDC were blocked. Actually, they way the NRA had the legislation written, no money could be spent to release the studies.

Guns aren't a disease. I'm not opposed to studies. What studies are you contributing to financially?

Guns are a threat to public health. If you can't see that, perhaps you should think about what public health is.

Right, and in fighting cancer you are leaving the cancer alone while taking out only healthy cells

 

[kaz]

What studies have they blocked?

Studies by the CDC were blocked. Actually, they way the NRA had the legislation written, no money could be spent to release the studies.

Guns aren't a disease. I'm not opposed to studies. What studies are you contributing to financially?

Guns are a threat to public health. If you can't see that, perhaps you should think about what public health is.

Guns aren't a threat to public health. Criminals are. Mental illness is. Guns are not. They aren't germs, they aren't viruses. They are inanimate objects.

You want a study on gun violence, let the FBI do it.

Guns are the ways to the means of a public health crisis. There have been consumer products banned due t their fatal threats to public health. The Chevrolet Corvair and the Ford Pinto are no longer produced because of their lack of safety. Yet there are still cars produced by both Chevy and Ford.

Lawn darts were responsible for too many emergency room visits. They're gone, yet there are plenty of backyard games made today. Cornhole is a popular game here in the Ohio River valley, and I'm sure there is a local backyard game indigenous to your part of this great country.

But today, gun violence plagues every part of the country. Amish school kids were shot at the blackboard of their modest classroom. Kids caught in crossfire at a drive by. Kids who have irresponsibly easy access to their parent's guns and things end ugly. Kids who catch rounds during domestic disputes because Mommy and Daddy had a gun at hand. And, most attention getting of all, kids on campuses and classrooms and playgrounds. And that's not to mention they bodies of adults in morgues due to gunshot. When innocent victims are claimed at an alarming rate, when the American people become indifferent to the body count, the crises is too frequent to dismiss. It is most definetly a public health issue, as much as a criminal issue.

Surely you would agree with this: after the advent of cheap, rapid fire small arms the rates of mass shootings has gone up. The reason they're called 'mass shootings' is because there are multiple victims. And they best way to reach that gruesome threshold, the shooter would have to be equipped with weaponry best suited in the hands of a "well regulated Militia" rather than on our streets in the hands of lunatics.

A public health hazard? You're goddamn right. Passing the buck, that's denial in the first degree. And denial is irresponsibility when applied to such a gross public health hazard.

So why don't you stop obsessing with taking guns from people who aren't committing crimes and in fact want to defend themselves and start working on the actual problem, the criminals?

Ya think?

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Little-Acorn]

So why don't you stop obsessing with taking guns from people who aren't committing crimes and in fact want to defend themselves and start working on the actual problem, the criminals?

Because solving the actual problem isn't what liberals want. They want to control law-abiding people, and make sure the law-abiding people can't control them.

 

[Little-Acorn]

What's the big deal.

It's simply true.

Dictators and megalomaniacs have known that for centuries.