The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Katzndogz]

The man who is widely considered the president of the United States just got on national television telling people to feel sorry for him. He just had a big shit on his pity pot.

This is embarrassing, shameful. There was no reason to make these statements other than to agitate for violence.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Trayvon Martin

•Suspended from school for fighting a school bus driver.
•Suspended from school for a baggie with pot dust and stolen jewelery in his backpack.
•Frequently engaged in Fight Club type street fighting.
•Wrote on the internet about getting 'codine' to make some 'fire ass lean.'
•Posted pics of himself smoking pot, sporting gold grills, flipping the bird, holding wads of cash, making gang signs and a gun he was selling.
•Posted explicit remarks about what he wanted to do to 'hos.'
•Posted to a friend that his friend should kill someone the friend had a problem with.
•Posted conversations about the fights he had been in including the fight with the bus driver. No regrets he was proud and boastful of it all.

" We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that’s a job for all of us. That’s the way to honor Trayvon Martin." - President of the United States Barack Hussein 0bama

 

[Rat in the Hat]

I'm freaking mad about it. Do they think we're dumb as rocks or do they just not give a shit?

Slick give a shit about us or the country??

Surely you jest.

 

[SantaFeWay]

Civil War is a very scary thing and if you ask me I am scared. Not so much for myself in ways but for my sons future and your kids too. If its this bad now I cant imagine how it may be in the future.

What else are they doing?

Jesse with the boycott yesterday, Eric Holder hanging onto the evidence yesterday, Al's rallies tomorrow and this well timed speech.

I'm not conspiracy theorist but...

Um

Not a conspiracy since there's no love lost between 8arack and Jesse. But def a plan of action between AG and the administration. Just wait for an Executive Order suspending SYG until an investigation can take place.

We already see gun and ammo bans as a result of Sandy Hook. Wherever exploitation of a tragedy can be done, this admin will pounce.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Bailiffs and clerks don't perform some of the same duties as regular judges do. Magistrate judges do.

Yes they do. Clerks of the court issue summons and writs and all sorts of such things which you claim that "regular judges do"

(B) The clerk of a county court shall have general powers to administer oaths, take affidavits, and issue executions upon any judgment rendered in the county court, including a judgment for unpaid costs, power to issue and sign all writs, process, subpoenas, and papers issuing out of the court

Lawriter - ORC - 1907.20 Powers and duties of county court clerk.

Want to try again?

Yea, they pass along many things from the magistrates and judges. Magistrate judges issue them like judges do. Clerks do not create them.

 

[testarosa]

Civil War is a very scary thing and if you ask me I am scared. Not so much for myself in ways but for my sons future and your kids too. If its this bad now I cant imagine how it may be in the future.

What else are they doing?

Jesse with the boycott yesterday, Eric Holder hanging onto the evidence yesterday, Al's rallies tomorrow and this well timed speech.

I'm not conspiracy theorist but...

Um

Not a conspiracy since there's no love lost between 8arack and Jesse. But def a plan of action between AG and the administration. Just wait for an Executive Order suspending SYG until an investigation can take place.

We already see gun and ammo bans as a result of Sandy Hook. Wherever exploitation of a tragedy can be done, this admin will pounce.

Eric and Al are BFF's

 

[testarosa]

I'm freaking mad about it. Do they think we're dumb as rocks or do they just not give a shit?

Slick give a shit about us or the country??

Surely you jest.

My bad.

I forget myself sometimes when I'm having a tantrum.

 

[Oldstyle]

All the more reason he should have identified the screams when the detective asked him to. He just hadn't rehearsed it yet.

He answered honestly...it didn't sound like he thought his voice sounded. Tell me that your voice sounded like you thought it did the first time you heard it on a recording...

No, it wasn't a matter of identifying a voice. @16:50, the detective asked him to identify the screaming in the 911 call. Are you saying Zimmerman didn't know who was screaming, himself or Trayvon?

Zimmerman: Screaming In 911 Call ?Doesn?t Even Sound Like Me? [Audio] | Axiom Amnesia

Piece of advice on this case, Quick? Understand that "snippets" of recordings taken out of context to give them meanings that don't reflect what the person was saying have been the method that a biased media used from the start to paint George Zimmerman as a racist vigilante who stalked Trayvon Martin. Go back and listen to the entire recording of that conversation.

 

[deltex1]

Sharpton is praising the presidents remarks and using the word "outrage" as he prepares his 100 city circus tomorrow. Uintended consequences of the remarks by the community organizer???

 

[Rat in the Hat]

I'm freaking mad about it. Do they think we're dumb as rocks or do they just not give a shit?

Slick give a shit about us or the country??

Surely you jest.

My bad.

I forget myself sometimes when I'm having a tantrum.

Since you didn't hit that low hanging fastball in the second line...


... your name must be Shirley.

 

[Wry Catcher]

If Trayvon Martin had been white and beat up George Zimmerman, it would have ended the same way. It's convenient how blacks and liberals want to ignore the beating up part.

"Fighting words", does that mean anything to you?

"No person shall address any offensive, derisive or annoying word to any other person who is lawfully in any street or other public place, nor call him by any offensive or derisive name, nor make any noise or exclamation in his presence and hearing with intent to deride, offend or annoy him, or to prevent him from pursuing his lawful business or occupation."

Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire

The law allows for mitigation when the utterance of fighting words results in a violent response. It seems that the actions of GZ on the night he killed TM may have triggered a violent response. Certainly TM didn't deserve to die if he had thrown a first punch, and wouldn't have if he hadn't hit a cream puff with a gun.

 

[testarosa]

What are we supposed to do about this? Watch it happen?

 

[Oldstyle]

TM left the store at 6:24pm & GZ called police at 7:09pm. That is a full 45 minutes & it only takes 9 minutes to walk from 7-11 to where GZ first spotted him walking in yards next to houses & starring at them. It only takes 12 minutes to walk from 7-11 to his dad's GF house. TM spent 36 minutes in yards scoping out houses instead of walking home. Anyone doing that is suspect. Police found a Slim Jim Burglar Tool in bush where TM hid.

If your timeline is correct, it may mean Trayvon stopped into another store, smoked a few cigarettes along the way, talked to someone near the store, etc.

1. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to follow Trayvon? - No!
2. Was it illegal for Zimmerman to continue following TM even after the police dispatcher recommended he stop? - No!

State?s Witnesses in Zimmerman Trial Put the Prosecution on the Defensive - NYTimes.com

Other pieces of testimony may also have reflected poorly on Mr. Zimmerman. Officer Serino, who took the stand again on Tuesday, said the expletives that Mr. Zimmerman used as he was pursuing Mr. Martin connoted ill will — a necessary component in a second-degree murder conviction. The police officers were also clearly disturbed that Mr. Zimmerman, a community watch volunteer, seemed to have pursued Mr. Martin on foot after a police operator had told him he need not do so...

The police are saying it is most likely Zimmerman followed Trayvon without hesitation or stopping. This rules out the unsubstantiated version we hear so often from GZ lovers that Trayvon "doubled back."

The Police never made any such statement, Quick! You only have to listen to the calls to understand that Zimmerman's attempt to follow Trayvon Martin was not successful. He quickly lost sight of the man he was trying to follow as Martin ran. The ONLY way that confrontation takes place once Martin runs away is if Martin returns.

 

[KissMy]

TM left the store at 6:24pm & GZ called police at 7:09pm. That is a full 45 minutes & it only takes 9 minutes to walk from 7-11 to where GZ first spotted him walking in yards next to houses & starring at them. It only takes 12 minutes to walk from 7-11 to his dad's GF house. TM spent 36 minutes in yards scoping out houses instead of walking home. Anyone doing that is suspect. Police found a Slim Jim Burglar Tool in bush where TM hid.

If your timeline is correct, it may mean Trayvon stopped into another store, smoked a few cigarettes along the way, talked to someone near the store, etc.

No! - You are lying which shows you are bias. TM is seen & heard on 7-11 video answering DD's call. She said TM walked back home from the 7-11. Then she changed it a few times, said he "turned around", "got caught in the rain & saught shelter under the mailing area roof", then she said TM "headed back home after GZ saw him."

TM broke Florida 856.021 Loitering or Prowling Law. - (1) It is unlawful for any person to loiter or prowl in a place, at a time or in a manner not usual for law-abiding individuals, under circumstances that warrant a justifiable and reasonable alarm or immediate concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity. (2) Among the circumstances which may be considered in determining whether such alarm or immediate concern is warranted is the fact that the person takes flight upon appearance of a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself, or manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or herself or any object. Unless flight by the person or other circumstance makes it impracticable, a law enforcement officer shall, prior to any arrest for an offense under this section, afford the person an opportunity to dispel any alarm or immediate concern which would otherwise be warranted by requesting the person to identify himself or herself and explain his or her presence and conduct. No person shall be convicted of an offense under this section if the law enforcement officer did not comply with this procedure or if it appears at trial that the explanation given by the person is true and, if believed by the officer at the time, would have dispelled the alarm or immediate concern. (3) Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree.

 

[Freemason9]

If Trayvon Martin had been white and beat up George Zimmerman, it would have ended the same way. It's convenient how blacks and liberals want to ignore the beating up part.

I disagree. Given the same jury, the verdict would have been different if the roles were reversed.

 

[legaleagle_45]

Yea, they pass along many things from the magistrates and judges. Magistrate judges issue them like judges do. Clerks do not create them.

Incorrect. Clerks can and do issue summons and subpoenas without having to get it passed on from a judge whatsoever.

So you have any proof that Robert Zimmerman influenced oficials in the city of Sanford or state of Florida in any way?

Seems to me that he did not do a very good job, because any legal expert, such as a real judge with a real law degree, would have made sure that GZ did not talk to the police.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

TM left the store at 6:24pm & GZ called police at 7:09pm. That is a full 45 minutes & it only takes 9 minutes to walk from 7-11 to where GZ first spotted him walking in yards next to houses & starring at them. It only takes 12 minutes to walk from 7-11 to his dad's GF house. TM spent 36 minutes in yards scoping out houses instead of walking home. Anyone doing that is suspect. Police found a Slim Jim Burglar Tool in bush where TM hid.

If your timeline is correct, it may mean Trayvon stopped into another store, smoked a few cigarettes along the way, talked to someone near the store, etc.

No! - You are lying which shows you are bias. TM is seen & heard on 7-11 video answering DD's call. She said TM walked back home from the 7-11. Then she changed it a few times, said he "turned around", "got caught in the rain & saught shelter under the mailing area roof", then she said TM "headed back home after GZ saw him."

TM broke Florida 856.021 Loitering or Prowling Law. - (1) It is unlawful for any person to loiter or prowl in a place, at a time or in a manner not usual for law-abiding individuals, under circumstances that warrant a justifiable and reasonable alarm or immediate concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity. (2) Among the circumstances which may be considered in determining whether such alarm or immediate concern is warranted is the fact that the person takes flight upon appearance of a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself, or manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or herself or any object. Unless flight by the person or other circumstance makes it impracticable, a law enforcement officer shall, prior to any arrest for an offense under this section, afford the person an opportunity to dispel any alarm or immediate concern which would otherwise be warranted by requesting the person to identify himself or herself and explain his or her presence and conduct. No person shall be convicted of an offense under this section if the law enforcement officer did not comply with this procedure or if it appears at trial that the explanation given by the person is true and, if believed by the officer at the time, would have dispelled the alarm or immediate concern. (3) Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree.

And there another problem with his "theory". From the aerial maps shown at trial, there was no other store between the 7-11 and his father's fiance's home. Only 2 other subdivisions.

 

[dilloduck]

If Trayvon Martin had been white and beat up George Zimmerman, it would have ended the same way. It's convenient how blacks and liberals want to ignore the beating up part.

"Fighting words", does that mean anything to you?

"No person shall address any offensive, derisive or annoying word to any other person who is lawfully in any street or other public place, nor call him by any offensive or derisive name, nor make any noise or exclamation in his presence and hearing with intent to deride, offend or annoy him, or to prevent him from pursuing his lawful business or occupation."

Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire

The law allows for mitigation when the utterance of fighting words results in a violent response. It seems that the actions of GZ on the night he killed TM may have triggered a violent response. Certainly TM didn't deserve to die if he had thrown a first punch, and wouldn't have if he hadn't hit a cream puff with a gun.

fightin words
that's a good one.

What fightin words did George use ?

 

[Oldstyle]

TM left the store at 6:24pm & GZ called police at 7:09pm. That is a full 45 minutes & it only takes 9 minutes to walk from 7-11 to where GZ first spotted him walking in yards next to houses & starring at them. It only takes 12 minutes to walk from 7-11 to his dad's GF house. TM spent 36 minutes in yards scoping out houses instead of walking home. Anyone doing that is suspect. Police found a Slim Jim Burglar Tool in bush where TM hid.

If your timeline is correct, it may mean Trayvon stopped into another store, smoked a few cigarettes along the way, talked to someone near the store, etc.

No! - You are lying which shows you are bias. TM is seen & heard on 7-11 video answering DD's call. She said TM walked back home from the 7-11. Then she changed it a few times, said he "turned around", "got caught in the rain & saught shelter under the mailing area roof", then she said TM "headed back home after GZ saw him."

TM broke Florida 856.021 Loitering or Prowling Law. - (1) It is unlawful for any person to loiter or prowl in a place, at a time or in a manner not usual for law-abiding individuals, under circumstances that warrant a justifiable and reasonable alarm or immediate concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity. (2) Among the circumstances which may be considered in determining whether such alarm or immediate concern is warranted is the fact that the person takes flight upon appearance of a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself, or manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or herself or any object. Unless flight by the person or other circumstance makes it impracticable, a law enforcement officer shall, prior to any arrest for an offense under this section, afford the person an opportunity to dispel any alarm or immediate concern which would otherwise be warranted by requesting the person to identify himself or herself and explain his or her presence and conduct. No person shall be convicted of an offense under this section if the law enforcement officer did not comply with this procedure or if it appears at trial that the explanation given by the person is true and, if believed by the officer at the time, would have dispelled the alarm or immediate concern. (3) Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree.

Don't go overboard, Kiss...seeking shelter from the rain under the overhang of the mail boxes would hardly qualify as "loitering". Let's just say that Trayvon was in no hurry to walk home despite the rain. He wasn't walking from point A to point B as most people would under those conditions. He was walking aimlessly...at one point going past Zimmerman's parked vehicle and up to the T area but then coming back to walk around Zimmerman's SUV. I have no idea what he's doing at that point but it's strange behavior at the least.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

What are we supposed to do about this? Watch it happen?

Unfortunately, there's nothing else we can do, other than prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Slick & company are going to ride this "racism" pony until it falls over dead. (when the DOJ has to give up and say there is no grounds for a hate crime case)