The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[Hollie]

That is pretty much the same everywhere. People who moved to Palestine and identified as Palestinian and were accepted as Palestinians became Palestinians.

So, you will cut out all this nonsense about colonialists and foreign invaders, then?

The colonialists did not self identify as Palestinian and were not accepted as Palestinian. They kept themselves out of that loop.

The Tinmore Vortex

If the Jewish people were not accepted as Arab-Moslem (academic), why would they identify as Arab-Moslem "Pal'istanians"?

 

[rylah]

That is pretty much the same everywhere. People who moved to Palestine and identified as Palestinian and were accepted as Palestinians became Palestinians.

So, you will cut out all this nonsense about colonialists and foreign invaders, then?

The colonialists did not self identify as Palestinian and were not accepted as Palestinian. They kept themselves out of that loop.

Why then Arabs in 1919 identified as Syrian Arabs,
while Jews established a bank, press and an orchestra bearing the name "Palestinian"?

 

[P F Tinmore]

That is pretty much the same everywhere. People who moved to Palestine and identified as Palestinian and were accepted as Palestinians became Palestinians.

So, you will cut out all this nonsense about colonialists and foreign invaders, then?

The colonialists did not self identify as Palestinian and were not accepted as Palestinian. They kept themselves out of that loop.

They had another loop -- their own culture in situ. They are not required to adopt another culture, even if you want to argue that Arab Palestine is also a distinct culture in situ.

Their bad. They went to Palestine and shunned everything Palestinian.

When You say "Palestinian" You mean Arab?

Not really. Not all Palestinians are Arab or Muslim. They fit in fine.

 

[rylah]

So, you will cut out all this nonsense about colonialists and foreign invaders, then?

The colonialists did not self identify as Palestinian and were not accepted as Palestinian. They kept themselves out of that loop.

They had another loop -- their own culture in situ. They are not required to adopt another culture, even if you want to argue that Arab Palestine is also a distinct culture in situ.

Their bad. They went to Palestine and shunned everything Palestinian.

When You say "Palestinian" You mean Arab?

Not really. Not all Palestinians are Arab or Muslim. They fit in fine.

Explain, because each time You use the term "Palestinian" it is when You claim Jews do not belong, not the people of the place.

 

[Shusha]

Their bad. They went to Palestine and shunned everything Palestinian.

What is "Palestinian"?

You are using a label while failing to be clear about its meaning. Either being "Palestinian" means to be one of the distinct cultures developed in situ in the territory in question, in which case the Jewish people were most CERTAINLY being "Palestinian" or being "Palestinian" means something specifically Arab, in which case I remind you the Jewish people are not obligated to adopt another culture in order to be considered indigenous, as that re-defines the word, or you think being "Palestinian" has some sort of third meaning, in which case please elaborate for clarity.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What is wrong with you numbskulls?

The Jews are not going anywhere. The so-called Palestinians, oth?

 

[Shusha]

Not really. Not all Palestinians are Arab or Muslim. They fit in fine.

What defines a "Palestinian" then? You've already stated that it is not dependent on immigration, on religion or on (Arab) ethnicity. So what defines a "Palestinian" in the context of nativeness or indigeneity?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The colonialists did not self identify as Palestinian and were not accepted as Palestinian. They kept themselves out of that loop.

They had another loop -- their own culture in situ. They are not required to adopt another culture, even if you want to argue that Arab Palestine is also a distinct culture in situ.

Their bad. They went to Palestine and shunned everything Palestinian.

When You say "Palestinian" You mean Arab?

Not really. Not all Palestinians are Arab or Muslim. They fit in fine.

Explain, because each time You use the term "Palestinian" it is when You claim Jews do not belong, not the people of the place.

It is not my fault that they kept themselves out of that loop.

 

[Hollie]

So, you will cut out all this nonsense about colonialists and foreign invaders, then?

The colonialists did not self identify as Palestinian and were not accepted as Palestinian. They kept themselves out of that loop.

They had another loop -- their own culture in situ. They are not required to adopt another culture, even if you want to argue that Arab Palestine is also a distinct culture in situ.

Their bad. They went to Palestine and shunned everything Palestinian.

When You say "Palestinian" You mean Arab?

Not really. Not all Palestinians are Arab or Muslim. They fit in fine.

Nonsense. Arabs- islamics have only allowed kuffar to "fit in fine" when Arabs-islamics are in a position of oppressive majority. At no time in islamist history have the kuffar been treated as equals.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not really. Not all Palestinians are Arab or Muslim. They fit in fine.

What defines a "Palestinian" then? You've already stated that it is not dependent on immigration, on religion or on (Arab) ethnicity. So what defines a "Palestinian" in the context of nativeness or indigeneity?

You already did.

The only thing that is relevant is whether or not the individual is recognized as part of the collective, as decided through self-identification and group acceptance by that collective.

 

[rylah]

They had another loop -- their own culture in situ. They are not required to adopt another culture, even if you want to argue that Arab Palestine is also a distinct culture in situ.

Their bad. They went to Palestine and shunned everything Palestinian.

When You say "Palestinian" You mean Arab?

Not really. Not all Palestinians are Arab or Muslim. They fit in fine.

Explain, because each time You use the term "Palestinian" it is when You claim Jews do not belong, not the people of the place.

It is not my fault that they kept themselves out of that loop.

And now in English please.

 

[Shusha]

You already did.

The only thing that is relevant is whether or not the individual is recognized as part of the collective, as decided through self-identification and group acceptance by that collective.

Excellent. We agree.

So, enough talk about foreigners and invaders. The Jewish people, we agree, are all part of a singular collective based on shared cultural identity, self-identification and group acceptance, regardless of the specific features they hold as individuals. Therefore, as a singular collective made up of a group which shares a culture developed in situ, the Jewish people -- in their entirety -- must be considered indigenous to that land.

We are done here.

 

[rylah]

P F Tinmore

Sahara Yahudin -صحراء يهودا‎

The Judaean Desert or Judean Desert (Hebrew: מִדְבַּר יְהוּדָה‎ Midbar Yehuda, both Desert of Judah or Judaean Desert; Arabic: Sahara Yahudan) is a desert in Israel and the West Bank that lies east of Jerusalem and descends to the Dead Sea. It stretches from the northeastern Negev to the east of Beit El, and is marked by terraces with escarpments.

Q.Why do Arabs still call it the "Jewish Desert"?

 

[Sixties Fan]

The reason that Bellerose matters is because he encourages a widening of our understanding of the conflict.

By rightfully insisting upon the indigeneity of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel he forces an expansion of the conversation both geographically and historically.

This is not a fight merely between Israelis and Arabs residing within the Jewish home. This is a fight between the indigenous Jewish population and their former Arab and Muslim conquerors who have yet to give up on reinstating theo-political domination. This makes it a struggle between the tiny Jewish minority in the Middle East and the far larger Arab and Muslim populations that surround them.

That is the obvious implication of insisting upon Jewish indigeneity because the very idea of Jewish indigeneity to the Land of Israel contradicts Arab and Muslim imperial ambitions within the Jewish home.
It is inescapable.

(full article online)

Acknowledging Ryan Bellerose (Michael Lumish) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

“Before the Balfour Promise, when the Ottoman rule [1517-1917] ended, Palestine’s political borders as we know them today did not exist, and there was nothing called a Palestinian people with a political identity as we know today”, historian Abd Al-Ghani admitted on official PA TV on November 1.

“Since Palestine’s lines of administrative division stretched from east to west and included Jordan and southern Lebanon, and like all peoples of the region [the Palestinians] were liberated from the Turkish rule and immediately moved to colonial rule, without forming a Palestinian people’s political identity.”

In 1917, says this Arab historian on official PA TV, there was no such thing as a Palestinian people. This statement amounts to saying that the whole narrative of an ‘indigenous Palestinian people’ was made up at a later point in time.

Who Are the Palestinians?
As Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad, speaking on Al-Hekma TV, said in March 2012: “Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians…”

There is a reason, why the “Palestinian National Museum” is empty of historical artifacts.

The Arab historian’s admission corroborates the observations of 19th century travelers to the region, who notably had no specific political agenda when they visited, unlike so many visitors to Israel today:

”Outside the gates of Jerusalem, we saw indeed no living object, heard no living sound”, wrote French poet Alphonse de Lamartine about his visit in 1835.

”The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population,” wrote British Consul James Finn in his 1857 description of the Holy Land.

”Palestine sits in a sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that withered its fields and fettered its energies. …Palestine is desolate and unlovely….It is a hopeless dreary, heartbroken land.” wrote American author Mark Twain in his description of his visit in 1867.

Nevertheless, the Arab propaganda machine gets away with publishing fantastic falsehoods, such as this one on the Palestinian Authority’s tourism website: “With a history that envelops more than one million years, Palestine has played an important role in human civilization. The crucible of prehistoric cultures, it is where settled society, the alphabet, religion, and literature developed, and would become a meeting place for diverse cultures and ideas that shaped the world we know today”.

The international community not only approves of these falsehoods, it happily pays for them.

(full article online)

Analysis: There is No Palestinian Nation, Says Arab Historian

 

[theliq]

“Before the Balfour Promise, when the Ottoman rule [1517-1917] ended, Palestine’s political borders as we know them today did not exist, and there was nothing called a Palestinian people with a political identity as we know today”, historian Abd Al-Ghani admitted on official PA TV on November 1.

“Since Palestine’s lines of administrative division stretched from east to west and included Jordan and southern Lebanon, and like all peoples of the region [the Palestinians] were liberated from the Turkish rule and immediately moved to colonial rule, without forming a Palestinian people’s political identity.”

In 1917, says this Arab historian on official PA TV, there was no such thing as a Palestinian people. This statement amounts to saying that the whole narrative of an ‘indigenous Palestinian people’ was made up at a later point in time.

Who Are the Palestinians?
As Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad, speaking on Al-Hekma TV, said in March 2012: “Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians…”

There is a reason, why the “Palestinian National Museum” is empty of historical artifacts.

The Arab historian’s admission corroborates the observations of 19th century travelers to the region, who notably had no specific political agenda when they visited, unlike so many visitors to Israel today:

”Outside the gates of Jerusalem, we saw indeed no living object, heard no living sound”, wrote French poet Alphonse de Lamartine about his visit in 1835.

”The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population,” wrote British Consul James Finn in his 1857 description of the Holy Land.

”Palestine sits in a sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that withered its fields and fettered its energies. …Palestine is desolate and unlovely….It is a hopeless dreary, heartbroken land.” wrote American author Mark Twain in his description of his visit in 1867.

Nevertheless, the Arab propaganda machine gets away with publishing fantastic falsehoods, such as this one on the Palestinian Authority’s tourism website: “With a history that envelops more than one million years, Palestine has played an important role in human civilization. The crucible of prehistoric cultures, it is where settled society, the alphabet, religion, and literature developed, and would become a meeting place for diverse cultures and ideas that shaped the world we know today”.

The international community not only approves of these falsehoods, it happily pays for them.

(full article online)

Analysis: There is No Palestinian Nation, Says Arab Historian

If by your analogy there has never been a Palestine but a Semitic Palestinian People,then surely Non Semitic Converts Jew=Boy Zionist Terrorists,certainly have no claim to this land

 

[Coyote]

“Before the Balfour Promise, when the Ottoman rule [1517-1917] ended, Palestine’s political borders as we know them today did not exist, and there was nothing called a Palestinian people with a political identity as we know today”, historian Abd Al-Ghani admitted on official PA TV on November 1.

“Since Palestine’s lines of administrative division stretched from east to west and included Jordan and southern Lebanon, and like all peoples of the region [the Palestinians] were liberated from the Turkish rule and immediately moved to colonial rule, without forming a Palestinian people’s political identity.”

In 1917, says this Arab historian on official PA TV, there was no such thing as a Palestinian people. This statement amounts to saying that the whole narrative of an ‘indigenous Palestinian people’ was made up at a later point in time.

Who Are the Palestinians?
As Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad, speaking on Al-Hekma TV, said in March 2012: “Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians…”

There is a reason, why the “Palestinian National Museum” is empty of historical artifacts.

The Arab historian’s admission corroborates the observations of 19th century travelers to the region, who notably had no specific political agenda when they visited, unlike so many visitors to Israel today:

”Outside the gates of Jerusalem, we saw indeed no living object, heard no living sound”, wrote French poet Alphonse de Lamartine about his visit in 1835.

”The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population,” wrote British Consul James Finn in his 1857 description of the Holy Land.

”Palestine sits in a sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that withered its fields and fettered its energies. …Palestine is desolate and unlovely….It is a hopeless dreary, heartbroken land.” wrote American author Mark Twain in his description of his visit in 1867.

Nevertheless, the Arab propaganda machine gets away with publishing fantastic falsehoods, such as this one on the Palestinian Authority’s tourism website: “With a history that envelops more than one million years, Palestine has played an important role in human civilization. The crucible of prehistoric cultures, it is where settled society, the alphabet, religion, and literature developed, and would become a meeting place for diverse cultures and ideas that shaped the world we know today”.

The international community not only approves of these falsehoods, it happily pays for them.

(full article online)

Analysis: There is No Palestinian Nation, Says Arab Historian

Yet another post denying the Palestinians their existence. Particularly ironic from someone who supports another people who suffer from the the same arguments that they are not a real people.

 

[Sixties Fan]

“Before the Balfour Promise, when the Ottoman rule [1517-1917] ended, Palestine’s political borders as we know them today did not exist, and there was nothing called a Palestinian people with a political identity as we know today”, historian Abd Al-Ghani admitted on official PA TV on November 1.

“Since Palestine’s lines of administrative division stretched from east to west and included Jordan and southern Lebanon, and like all peoples of the region [the Palestinians] were liberated from the Turkish rule and immediately moved to colonial rule, without forming a Palestinian people’s political identity.”

In 1917, says this Arab historian on official PA TV, there was no such thing as a Palestinian people. This statement amounts to saying that the whole narrative of an ‘indigenous Palestinian people’ was made up at a later point in time.

Who Are the Palestinians?
As Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad, speaking on Al-Hekma TV, said in March 2012: “Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians…”

There is a reason, why the “Palestinian National Museum” is empty of historical artifacts.

The Arab historian’s admission corroborates the observations of 19th century travelers to the region, who notably had no specific political agenda when they visited, unlike so many visitors to Israel today:

”Outside the gates of Jerusalem, we saw indeed no living object, heard no living sound”, wrote French poet Alphonse de Lamartine about his visit in 1835.

”The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population,” wrote British Consul James Finn in his 1857 description of the Holy Land.

”Palestine sits in a sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that withered its fields and fettered its energies. …Palestine is desolate and unlovely….It is a hopeless dreary, heartbroken land.” wrote American author Mark Twain in his description of his visit in 1867.

Nevertheless, the Arab propaganda machine gets away with publishing fantastic falsehoods, such as this one on the Palestinian Authority’s tourism website: “With a history that envelops more than one million years, Palestine has played an important role in human civilization. The crucible of prehistoric cultures, it is where settled society, the alphabet, religion, and literature developed, and would become a meeting place for diverse cultures and ideas that shaped the world we know today”.

The international community not only approves of these falsehoods, it happily pays for them.

(full article online)

Analysis: There is No Palestinian Nation, Says Arab Historian

Yet another post denying the Palestinians their existence. Particularly ironic from someone who supports another people who suffer from the the same arguments that they are not a real people.

You are not capable of understanding what even Arab Muslims say about the existence of a different entity, nationality, called "Palestinians" as opposed to Arabs living in a region referred to by some people as Palestine, after they invaded in the 7th century.

Jews accepted partitioning the rest of the Mandate into two states.
The Muslims do not.
And it happened twice, in 1937 and in 1947.
And the refusal to allow Israel to exist continues to this day.

You do not understand that, and I have no doubt that you and many others will continue to never understand what the facts of history are.

Therefore we do not try much anymore, we simply do everything we can to support and protect Israel, which has every right to exist
as the only Jewish State in the world in what was finally allowed to be a Jewish State after 7 Arab countries wanted to blow it to smithereens not once, twice, three times, but on a continuous basis.

Who is denying who's right to live in peace, and who is doing everything to try to stop those people from finishing what the Nazi Holocaust started with all the help from the Muslim haters of Jews to put an end to every Jew in existence on this planet.

Yes, the Muslims had every plan for building concentration camps post WWII German victory and put all Jews living in the region of Palestine and the Arab countries in them.

NOT denying that the Arabs who call themselves as Palestinians have the right to their own State, but calling them on their endless lies about being there for million of years, and that the Jews are the invading colonizers from the 19th century.


Many Arab Muslims are doing it, but you are set on denying the truth coming out of them?

Work on that.

 

[Coyote]

“Before the Balfour Promise, when the Ottoman rule [1517-1917] ended, Palestine’s political borders as we know them today did not exist, and there was nothing called a Palestinian people with a political identity as we know today”, historian Abd Al-Ghani admitted on official PA TV on November 1.

“Since Palestine’s lines of administrative division stretched from east to west and included Jordan and southern Lebanon, and like all peoples of the region [the Palestinians] were liberated from the Turkish rule and immediately moved to colonial rule, without forming a Palestinian people’s political identity.”

In 1917, says this Arab historian on official PA TV, there was no such thing as a Palestinian people. This statement amounts to saying that the whole narrative of an ‘indigenous Palestinian people’ was made up at a later point in time.

Who Are the Palestinians?
As Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad, speaking on Al-Hekma TV, said in March 2012: “Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians…”

There is a reason, why the “Palestinian National Museum” is empty of historical artifacts.

The Arab historian’s admission corroborates the observations of 19th century travelers to the region, who notably had no specific political agenda when they visited, unlike so many visitors to Israel today:

”Outside the gates of Jerusalem, we saw indeed no living object, heard no living sound”, wrote French poet Alphonse de Lamartine about his visit in 1835.

”The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population,” wrote British Consul James Finn in his 1857 description of the Holy Land.

”Palestine sits in a sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that withered its fields and fettered its energies. …Palestine is desolate and unlovely….It is a hopeless dreary, heartbroken land.” wrote American author Mark Twain in his description of his visit in 1867.

Nevertheless, the Arab propaganda machine gets away with publishing fantastic falsehoods, such as this one on the Palestinian Authority’s tourism website: “With a history that envelops more than one million years, Palestine has played an important role in human civilization. The crucible of prehistoric cultures, it is where settled society, the alphabet, religion, and literature developed, and would become a meeting place for diverse cultures and ideas that shaped the world we know today”.

The international community not only approves of these falsehoods, it happily pays for them.

(full article online)

Analysis: There is No Palestinian Nation, Says Arab Historian

Yet another post denying the Palestinians their existence. Particularly ironic from someone who supports another people who suffer from the the same arguments that they are not a real people.

You are not capable of understanding what even Arab Muslims say about the existence of a different entity, nationality, called "Palestinians" as opposed to Arabs living in a region referred to by some people as Palestine, after they invaded in the 7th century.

Jews accepted partitioning the rest of the Mandate into two states.
The Muslims do not.
And it happened twice, in 1937 and in 1947.
And the refusal to allow Israel to exist continues to this day.

You do not understand that, and I have no doubt that you and many others will continue to never understand what the facts of history are.

Therefore we do not try much anymore, we simply do everything we can to support and protect Israel, which has every right to exist
as the only Jewish State in the world in what was finally allowed to be a Jewish State after 7 Arab countries wanted to blow it to smithereens not once, twice, three times, but on a continuous basis.

Who is denying who's right to live in peace, and who is doing everything to try to stop those people from finishing what the Nazi Holocaust started with all the help from the Muslim haters of Jews to put an end to every Jew in existence on this planet.

Yes, the Muslims had every plan for building concentration camps post WWII German victory and put all Jews living in the region of Palestine and the Arab countries in them.

NOT denying that the Arabs who call themselves as Palestinians have the right to their own State, but calling them on their endless lies about being there for million of years, and that the Jews are the invading colonizers from the 19th century.


Many Arab Muslims are doing it, but you are set on denying the truth coming out of them?

Work on that.

The Palestinians are now a people. Their ties to the region go way back. Every people starts somewhere some time to claim an identity. The aguement that they are just foreign Arabs is no different than those claiming Jews are just foreign Europeans.

Who is denying who’s right to live in place? I am saying they BOTH have that right and it can be extended with out having to deny either one their rights as a people.

 

[Sixties Fan]

“Before the Balfour Promise, when the Ottoman rule [1517-1917] ended, Palestine’s political borders as we know them today did not exist, and there was nothing called a Palestinian people with a political identity as we know today”, historian Abd Al-Ghani admitted on official PA TV on November 1.

“Since Palestine’s lines of administrative division stretched from east to west and included Jordan and southern Lebanon, and like all peoples of the region [the Palestinians] were liberated from the Turkish rule and immediately moved to colonial rule, without forming a Palestinian people’s political identity.”

In 1917, says this Arab historian on official PA TV, there was no such thing as a Palestinian people. This statement amounts to saying that the whole narrative of an ‘indigenous Palestinian people’ was made up at a later point in time.

Who Are the Palestinians?
As Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad, speaking on Al-Hekma TV, said in March 2012: “Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians…”

There is a reason, why the “Palestinian National Museum” is empty of historical artifacts.

The Arab historian’s admission corroborates the observations of 19th century travelers to the region, who notably had no specific political agenda when they visited, unlike so many visitors to Israel today:

”Outside the gates of Jerusalem, we saw indeed no living object, heard no living sound”, wrote French poet Alphonse de Lamartine about his visit in 1835.

”The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is that of a body of population,” wrote British Consul James Finn in his 1857 description of the Holy Land.

”Palestine sits in a sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that withered its fields and fettered its energies. …Palestine is desolate and unlovely….It is a hopeless dreary, heartbroken land.” wrote American author Mark Twain in his description of his visit in 1867.

Nevertheless, the Arab propaganda machine gets away with publishing fantastic falsehoods, such as this one on the Palestinian Authority’s tourism website: “With a history that envelops more than one million years, Palestine has played an important role in human civilization. The crucible of prehistoric cultures, it is where settled society, the alphabet, religion, and literature developed, and would become a meeting place for diverse cultures and ideas that shaped the world we know today”.

The international community not only approves of these falsehoods, it happily pays for them.

(full article online)

Analysis: There is No Palestinian Nation, Says Arab Historian

Yet another post denying the Palestinians their existence. Particularly ironic from someone who supports another people who suffer from the the same arguments that they are not a real people.

You are not capable of understanding what even Arab Muslims say about the existence of a different entity, nationality, called "Palestinians" as opposed to Arabs living in a region referred to by some people as Palestine, after they invaded in the 7th century.

Jews accepted partitioning the rest of the Mandate into two states.
The Muslims do not.
And it happened twice, in 1937 and in 1947.
And the refusal to allow Israel to exist continues to this day.

You do not understand that, and I have no doubt that you and many others will continue to never understand what the facts of history are.

Therefore we do not try much anymore, we simply do everything we can to support and protect Israel, which has every right to exist
as the only Jewish State in the world in what was finally allowed to be a Jewish State after 7 Arab countries wanted to blow it to smithereens not once, twice, three times, but on a continuous basis.

Who is denying who's right to live in peace, and who is doing everything to try to stop those people from finishing what the Nazi Holocaust started with all the help from the Muslim haters of Jews to put an end to every Jew in existence on this planet.

Yes, the Muslims had every plan for building concentration camps post WWII German victory and put all Jews living in the region of Palestine and the Arab countries in them.

NOT denying that the Arabs who call themselves as Palestinians have the right to their own State, but calling them on their endless lies about being there for million of years, and that the Jews are the invading colonizers from the 19th century.


Many Arab Muslims are doing it, but you are set on denying the truth coming out of them?

Work on that.

The Palestinians are now a people. Their ties to the region go way back. Every people starts somewhere some time to claim an identity. The aguement that they are just foreign Arabs is no different than those claiming Jews are just foreign Europeans.

Who is denying who’s right to live in place? I am saying they BOTH have that right and it can be extended with out having to deny either one their rights as a people.

Israel does not deny that now they are a national people. Israel has recognized it publicly.
Their ties go way back to when they invaded the region. They never claimed an identity until the Jews earned legally the right to re-create their nation on their own ancient Jewish land.

No one is arguing that they are "just" foreigners, we are arguing exactly the Arab Palestinian versions that all Jews who built Israel are actually Europeans with no ties to the ancient homeland of the Jews. One can find those denials of Jewish identity and more everywhere on Palestinian media, and all the other Muslim medias as well.

You responded to an article where Arab Muslims themselves acknowledge that the Palestinian identity is nothing more but an excuse to destroy Israel.


But acknowledge that .....you simply are not able to do so.

Deal with the Palestinians and all other Arab Muslims and Christians inability to accept Jewish sovereignty near them, simply because some in Islam consider the whole area Islamic territory, never to become a sovereign part of any non Muslim State.

I continue not to see any outcries from 1925 on that the Hashemite Arab clan having just moved from Arabia got 78% of the promised Jewish homeland under the Mandate for Palestine.

I am waiting for all of those Palestinians to start a war against Jordan any time now.