The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[Shusha]

It does matter as the majority of the zionists posting here claim that Palestine - and more importantly - Palestinians never existed.

This is not true. Many of Team Israel here claim -- correctly -- that the STATE of Palestine does not (yet) exist. Many also claim -- correctly -- that there is no cultural marker by which to differentiate an Arab Palestinian from an Arab Syrian or an Arab Jordanian. Many also claim -- correctly -- that the Arab Palestinians themselves do not differentiate between Palestinians, Jordanians and Syrians. Many also claim -- correctly -- that the Arab Palestinians did not exist as a distinct national group until it became politically desirable in the mid 1960s. A few of them claim that Arab Palestinians have no further rights to territory because they already received their territory in the division of Palestine between Israel and Jordan.

But I know of NONE who claim that the Arab Palestinians are prohibited from having a State for any of these reasons. Therefore, it doesn't matter in terms of solving the conflict.

 

[Shusha]

The term "Jewish people" is no more confusing than the terms "French people", "Scots people", or "Catalan people". It is easily understood, except by those who wish to demonize Jews.

Not true at all and I have explained multiple times that using "the Jewish people" as they are a single entity who all support Israel is ludicrous.

Then using terms like "Catalan people" or "Scots people" or "American people" or "Palestinian people" is equally ludicrous.

Are there Catalans who do not want to secede from Spain. Sure. They are still part of the Catalan people.

 

[montelatici]

It does matter as the majority of the zionists posting here claim that Palestine - and more importantly - Palestinians never existed.

This is not true. Many of Team Israel here claim -- correctly -- that the STATE of Palestine does not (yet) exist. Many also claim -- correctly -- that there is no cultural marker by which to differentiate an Arab Palestinian from an Arab Syrian or an Arab Jordanian. Many also claim -- correctly -- that the Arab Palestinians themselves do not differentiate between Palestinians, Jordanians and Syrians. Many also claim -- correctly -- that the Arab Palestinians did not exist as a distinct national group until it became politically desirable in the mid 1960s. A few of them claim that Arab Palestinians have no further rights to territory because they already received their territory in the division of Palestine between Israel and Jordan.

But I know of NONE who claim that the Arab Palestinians are prohibited from having a State for any of these reasons. Therefore, it doesn't matter in terms of solving the conflict.

Palestinians have always been a separate people from Bedouins, Arabians (the indigenous people of Jordan). Palestine has also been separate from Syria, being a separate administrative unit of the Ottoman Empire and a separate Roman Province. Palestinians that speak Arabic are not Arabians, no more than Tunisians and Egyptians are. The Palestinians, Muslim and Christian are descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine with an admixture of migratory peoples that came to the area from many places and who adopted Christianity first and then Islam as their religions. Jews that converted to Christianity especially after the adoption of Christianity as the Roman state religion in the late 4th century are also ancestors of the Palestinians. Note: Many Jews became Christians in the first 2-3 centuries after the birth of Christ. The first Christians were, in fact, practiced Judaism before becoming Christians.

 

[Hollie]

It does matter as the majority of the zionists posting here claim that Palestine - and more importantly - Palestinians never existed.

This is not true. Many of Team Israel here claim -- correctly -- that the STATE of Palestine does not (yet) exist. Many also claim -- correctly -- that there is no cultural marker by which to differentiate an Arab Palestinian from an Arab Syrian or an Arab Jordanian. Many also claim -- correctly -- that the Arab Palestinians themselves do not differentiate between Palestinians, Jordanians and Syrians. Many also claim -- correctly -- that the Arab Palestinians did not exist as a distinct national group until it became politically desirable in the mid 1960s. A few of them claim that Arab Palestinians have no further rights to territory because they already received their territory in the division of Palestine between Israel and Jordan.

But I know of NONE who claim that the Arab Palestinians are prohibited from having a State for any of these reasons. Therefore, it doesn't matter in terms of solving the conflict.

Palestinians have always been a separate people from Bedouins, Arabians (the indigenous people of Jordan). Palestine has also been separate from Syria, being a separate administrative unit of the Ottoman Empire and a separate Roman Province. Palestinians that speak Arabic are not Arabians, no more than Tunisians and Egyptians are. The Palestinians, Muslim and Christian are descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine with an admixture of migratory peoples that came to the area from many places and who adopted Christianity first and then Islam as their religions. Jews that converted to Christianity especially after the adoption of Christianity as the Roman state religion in the late 4th century are also ancestors of the Palestinians. Note: Many Jews became Christians in the first 2-3 centuries after the birth of Christ. The first Christians were, in fact, practiced Judaism before becoming Christians.

Wouldn't it have been easier to post links to the dozen or so other locations you cut and pasted the above?

 

[rylah]

It does matter as the majority of the zionists posting here claim that Palestine - and more importantly - Palestinians never existed.

This is not true. Many of Team Israel here claim -- correctly -- that the STATE of Palestine does not (yet) exist. Many also claim -- correctly -- that there is no cultural marker by which to differentiate an Arab Palestinian from an Arab Syrian or an Arab Jordanian. Many also claim -- correctly -- that the Arab Palestinians themselves do not differentiate between Palestinians, Jordanians and Syrians. Many also claim -- correctly -- that the Arab Palestinians did not exist as a distinct national group until it became politically desirable in the mid 1960s. A few of them claim that Arab Palestinians have no further rights to territory because they already received their territory in the division of Palestine between Israel and Jordan.

But I know of NONE who claim that the Arab Palestinians are prohibited from having a State for any of these reasons. Therefore, it doesn't matter in terms of solving the conflict.

Palestinians have always been a separate people from Bedouins, Arabians (the indigenous people of Jordan). Palestine has also been separate from Syria, being a separate administrative unit of the Ottoman Empire and a separate Roman Province. Palestinians that speak Arabic are not Arabians, no more than Tunisians and Egyptians are. The Palestinians, Muslim and Christian are descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine with an admixture of migratory peoples that came to the area from many places and who adopted Christianity first and then Islam as their religions. Jews that converted to Christianity especially after the adoption of Christianity as the Roman state religion in the late 4th century are also ancestors of the Palestinians. Note: Many Jews became Christians in the first 2-3 centuries after the birth of Christ. The first Christians were, in fact, practiced Judaism before becoming Christians.

1st Palestine Arab Congress stated officially:

1 . We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographic bonds.

2. The Declaration made by M. Pichon, Minister for Foreig Affairs for France, that France had rights in our country based on the desires and aspirations of the inhabitants has no foundation and we reject all the declarations made in his speech of 29th December 1918, as our wishes and aspirations are only in Arab unity and complete independence.

3. In view of the above we desire that one district Southern Syria or Palestine should not be separated from the Independent Arab Syrian Government and to be free from all foreign influence and protection.

4. In accordance with the rule laid down by President Wilson and approved by most of the Great Powers we consider that every promise or treaty concluded in respect of our country and its future as null and void and reject the same.

5. The Government of the country will apply for help to its friend Great Britain in case of need for the improvement and development of the country provided that this will not affect its independence and Arab unity in any way and will keep good relations with the Allied Powers. 78



Q. Still going to those "white hoodie conventions"?

 

[Auld Phart]

It does matter as the majority of the zionists posting here claim that Palestine - and more importantly - Palestinians never existed.

This is not true. Many of Team Israel here claim -- correctly -- that the STATE of Palestine does not (yet) exist. Many also claim -- correctly -- that there is no cultural marker by which to differentiate an Arab Palestinian from an Arab Syrian or an Arab Jordanian. Many also claim -- correctly -- that the Arab Palestinians themselves do not differentiate between Palestinians, Jordanians and Syrians. Many also claim -- correctly -- that the Arab Palestinians did not exist as a distinct national group until it became politically desirable in the mid 1960s. A few of them claim that Arab Palestinians have no further rights to territory because they already received their territory in the division of Palestine between Israel and Jordan.

But I know of NONE who claim that the Arab Palestinians are prohibited from having a State for any of these reasons. Therefore, it doesn't matter in terms of solving the conflict.

Palestinians have always been a separate people from Bedouins, Arabians (the indigenous people of Jordan). Palestine has also been separate from Syria, being a separate administrative unit of the Ottoman Empire and a separate Roman Province. Palestinians that speak Arabic are not Arabians, no more than Tunisians and Egyptians are. The Palestinians, Muslim and Christian are descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine with an admixture of migratory peoples that came to the area from many places and who adopted Christianity first and then Islam as their religions. Jews that converted to Christianity especially after the adoption of Christianity as the Roman state religion in the late 4th century are also ancestors of the Palestinians. Note: Many Jews became Christians in the first 2-3 centuries after the birth of Christ. The first Christians were, in fact, practiced Judaism before becoming Christians.

1st Palestine Arab Congress stated officially:

1 . We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographic bonds.

2. The Declaration made by M. Pichon, Minister for Foreig Affairs for France, that France had rights in our country based on the desires and aspirations of the inhabitants has no foundation and we reject all the declarations made in his speech of 29th December 1918, as our wishes and aspirations are only in Arab unity and complete independence.

3. In view of the above we desire that one district Southern Syria or Palestine should not be separated from the Independent Arab Syrian Government and to be free from all foreign influence and protection.

4. In accordance with the rule laid down by President Wilson and approved by most of the Great Powers we consider that every promise or treaty concluded in respect of our country and its future as null and void and reject the same.

5. The Government of the country will apply for help to its friend Great Britain in case of need for the improvement and development of the country provided that this will not affect its independence and Arab unity in any way and will keep good relations with the Allied Powers. 78



Q. Still going to those "white hoodie conventions"?

Mod note:

Cut and pastes need links

 

[rylah]

It does matter as the majority of the zionists posting here claim that Palestine - and more importantly - Palestinians never existed.

This is not true. Many of Team Israel here claim -- correctly -- that the STATE of Palestine does not (yet) exist. Many also claim -- correctly -- that there is no cultural marker by which to differentiate an Arab Palestinian from an Arab Syrian or an Arab Jordanian. Many also claim -- correctly -- that the Arab Palestinians themselves do not differentiate between Palestinians, Jordanians and Syrians. Many also claim -- correctly -- that the Arab Palestinians did not exist as a distinct national group until it became politically desirable in the mid 1960s. A few of them claim that Arab Palestinians have no further rights to territory because they already received their territory in the division of Palestine between Israel and Jordan.

But I know of NONE who claim that the Arab Palestinians are prohibited from having a State for any of these reasons. Therefore, it doesn't matter in terms of solving the conflict.

Palestinians have always been a separate people from Bedouins, Arabians (the indigenous people of Jordan). Palestine has also been separate from Syria, being a separate administrative unit of the Ottoman Empire and a separate Roman Province. Palestinians that speak Arabic are not Arabians, no more than Tunisians and Egyptians are. The Palestinians, Muslim and Christian are descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine with an admixture of migratory peoples that came to the area from many places and who adopted Christianity first and then Islam as their religions. Jews that converted to Christianity especially after the adoption of Christianity as the Roman state religion in the late 4th century are also ancestors of the Palestinians. Note: Many Jews became Christians in the first 2-3 centuries after the birth of Christ. The first Christians were, in fact, practiced Judaism before becoming Christians.

1st Palestine Arab Congress stated officially:

1 . We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographic bonds.

2. The Declaration made by M. Pichon, Minister for Foreig Affairs for France, that France had rights in our country based on the desires and aspirations of the inhabitants has no foundation and we reject all the declarations made in his speech of 29th December 1918, as our wishes and aspirations are only in Arab unity and complete independence.

3. In view of the above we desire that one district Southern Syria or Palestine should not be separated from the Independent Arab Syrian Government and to be free from all foreign influence and protection.

4. In accordance with the rule laid down by President Wilson and approved by most of the Great Powers we consider that every promise or treaty concluded in respect of our country and its future as null and void and reject the same.

5. The Government of the country will apply for help to its friend Great Britain in case of need for the improvement and development of the country provided that this will not affect its independence and Arab unity in any way and will keep good relations with the Allied Powers. 78



Q. Still going to those "white hoodie conventions"?

Mod note:

Cut and pastes need links

Sure, my mistake:

http://content.ecf.org.il/files/M00661_FirstArabCongress1919ParisResolutionArabic.pdf

http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/db.php?eid=2535

 

[abi]

I have been doping some fact checking. So far she is 100% correct.

1) The Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) was founded under the royal patronage of Queen Victoria in 1865...
The Palestine Exploration Fund: History

2) Ariel Sharon or Ariel Scheinermann was born on February 26, 1928 in Kfar Malal, Palestine.

3)

Are these facts somehow not clear?

 

[rylah]

I have been doping some fact checking. So far she is 100% correct.

1) The Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) was founded under the royal patronage of Queen Victoria in 1865...
The Palestine Exploration Fund: History

2) Ariel Sharon or Ariel Scheinermann was born on February 26, 1928 in Kfar Malal, Palestine.

3)

Are these facts somehow not clear?

It doesn't mean what You think.

Nobody says the geographical area was not called Palestine, but Arabs didn't identify with it.
Until this day they identify with either the Northern Arabian or South Yemenite tribes.
Doesn't change the "We are Syrians" part in the Arab declaration.
Arabs didn't identify as Palestinians until the last century when it was politically profitable.

In fact Jews were referred to as "Palestinians among us" 200 years before any Arab even began considering the term:

"The Palestinians living among us have, for the most part, earned a not unfounded reputation for being cheaters, because of their spirit of usury since their exile. Certainly, it seems strange to conceive of a nation of cheaters; but it is just as odd to think of a nation of merchants, the great majority of whom, bound by an ancient superstition that is recognized by the State they live in, seek no civil dignity and try to make up for this loss by the advantage of duping the people among whom they find refuge, and even one another. The situation could not be otherwise, given a whole nation of merchants, as non-productive members of society (for example, the Jews in Poland). So their constitution, which is sanctioned by ancient precepts and even by the people among whom they live (since we have certain sacred writings in common with them), cannot consistently be abolished — even though the supreme principle of their morality in trading with us is "Let the buyer beware." I shall not engage in the futile undertaking of lecturing to these people, in terms of morality, about cheating and honesty. Instead, I shall present my conjectures about the origin of this peculiar constitution (the constitution, namely, of a nation of merchants)."
[Quoted in Immanuel Kant, Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View 1785)

Curtis Bowman: An Anti-Semitic Observation From Kant

 

[abi]

I have been doping some fact checking. So far she is 100% correct.

1) The Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) was founded under the royal patronage of Queen Victoria in 1865...
The Palestine Exploration Fund: History

2) Ariel Sharon or Ariel Scheinermann was born on February 26, 1928 in Kfar Malal, Palestine.

3)

Are these facts somehow not clear?

It doesn't mean what You think.

Nobody says the geographical area was not called Palestine, but Arabs didn't identify with it.
Until this day they identify with either the Northern Arabian or South Yemenite tribes.
Doesn't change the "We are Syrians" part in the Arab declaration.
Arabs didn't identify as Palestinians until the last century when it was politically profitable.

In fact Jews were referred to as "Palestinians among us" 200 years before any Arab even began considering the term:

"The Palestinians living among us have, for the most part, earned a not unfounded reputation for being cheaters, because of their spirit of usury since their exile. Certainly, it seems strange to conceive of a nation of cheaters; but it is just as odd to think of a nation of merchants, the great majority of whom, bound by an ancient superstition that is recognized by the State they live in, seek no civil dignity and try to make up for this loss by the advantage of duping the people among whom they find refuge, and even one another. The situation could not be otherwise, given a whole nation of merchants, as non-productive members of society (for example, the Jews in Poland). So their constitution, which is sanctioned by ancient precepts and even by the people among whom they live (since we have certain sacred writings in common with them), cannot consistently be abolished — even though the supreme principle of their morality in trading with us is "Let the buyer beware." I shall not engage in the futile undertaking of lecturing to these people, in terms of morality, about cheating and honesty. Instead, I shall present my conjectures about the origin of this peculiar constitution (the constitution, namely, of a nation of merchants)."
[Quoted in Immanuel Kant, Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View 1785)

Curtis Bowman: An Anti-Semitic Observation From Kant

1) What year was the Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) founded?

2) When was Ariel Sharon born and where?

3) It was called the mandate for Palestine. True or false?

Let's not get caught up with opinion pieces (spin) and focus on the facts that we can verify.

 

[rylah]

I have been doping some fact checking. So far she is 100% correct.

1) The Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) was founded under the royal patronage of Queen Victoria in 1865...
The Palestine Exploration Fund: History

2) Ariel Sharon or Ariel Scheinermann was born on February 26, 1928 in Kfar Malal, Palestine.

3)

Are these facts somehow not clear?

It doesn't mean what You think.

Nobody says the geographical area was not called Palestine, but Arabs didn't identify with it.
Until this day they identify with either the Northern Arabian or South Yemenite tribes.
Doesn't change the "We are Syrians" part in the Arab declaration.
Arabs didn't identify as Palestinians until the last century when it was politically profitable.

In fact Jews were referred to as "Palestinians among us" 200 years before any Arab even began considering the term:

"The Palestinians living among us have, for the most part, earned a not unfounded reputation for being cheaters, because of their spirit of usury since their exile. Certainly, it seems strange to conceive of a nation of cheaters; but it is just as odd to think of a nation of merchants, the great majority of whom, bound by an ancient superstition that is recognized by the State they live in, seek no civil dignity and try to make up for this loss by the advantage of duping the people among whom they find refuge, and even one another. The situation could not be otherwise, given a whole nation of merchants, as non-productive members of society (for example, the Jews in Poland). So their constitution, which is sanctioned by ancient precepts and even by the people among whom they live (since we have certain sacred writings in common with them), cannot consistently be abolished — even though the supreme principle of their morality in trading with us is "Let the buyer beware." I shall not engage in the futile undertaking of lecturing to these people, in terms of morality, about cheating and honesty. Instead, I shall present my conjectures about the origin of this peculiar constitution (the constitution, namely, of a nation of merchants)."
[Quoted in Immanuel Kant, Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View 1785)

Curtis Bowman: An Anti-Semitic Observation From Kant

1) What year was the Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) founded?

2) When was Ariel Sharon born and where?

3) It was called the mandate for Palestine. True or false?

Let's not get caught up with opinion pieces (spin) and focus on the facts that we can verify.

1. It was founded roughly a 100 years after Jews were referred as "Palestinians" and 102 years before any Arab identified as such.

2. Ariel Sharon was a citizen of the British mandate.

3. Yes, yet Arabs declared to be officially Syrians, with allegiance to a foreign King from Mecca.

 

[Shusha]

I have been doping some fact checking. So far she is 100% correct.

1) The Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) was founded under the royal patronage of Queen Victoria in 1865...
The Palestine Exploration Fund: History

2) Ariel Sharon or Ariel Scheinermann was born on February 26, 1928 in Kfar Malal, Palestine.

3)

Are these facts somehow not clear?

It doesn't mean what You think.

Nobody says the geographical area was not called Palestine, but Arabs didn't identify with it.
Until this day they identify with either the Northern Arabian or South Yemenite tribes.
Doesn't change the "We are Syrians" part in the Arab declaration.
Arabs didn't identify as Palestinians until the last century when it was politically profitable.

In fact Jews were referred to as "Palestinians among us" 200 years before any Arab even began considering the term:

"The Palestinians living among us have, for the most part, earned a not unfounded reputation for being cheaters, because of their spirit of usury since their exile. Certainly, it seems strange to conceive of a nation of cheaters; but it is just as odd to think of a nation of merchants, the great majority of whom, bound by an ancient superstition that is recognized by the State they live in, seek no civil dignity and try to make up for this loss by the advantage of duping the people among whom they find refuge, and even one another. The situation could not be otherwise, given a whole nation of merchants, as non-productive members of society (for example, the Jews in Poland). So their constitution, which is sanctioned by ancient precepts and even by the people among whom they live (since we have certain sacred writings in common with them), cannot consistently be abolished — even though the supreme principle of their morality in trading with us is "Let the buyer beware." I shall not engage in the futile undertaking of lecturing to these people, in terms of morality, about cheating and honesty. Instead, I shall present my conjectures about the origin of this peculiar constitution (the constitution, namely, of a nation of merchants)."
[Quoted in Immanuel Kant, Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View 1785)

Curtis Bowman: An Anti-Semitic Observation From Kant

1) What year was the Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) founded?

2) When was Ariel Sharon born and where?

3) It was called the mandate for Palestine. True or false?

Let's not get caught up with opinion pieces (spin) and focus on the facts that we can verify.

Palestine (now called Israel) is the homeland for the Jewish people and was legally reconstituted after WWI. It matters not one whit that it was called Palestine and then renamed Israel.

What are you arguing here? That the very name of Palestine somehow prohibits Jewish sovereignty and only allows for Arab sovereignty? Ridiculous.



Edit to add: the name Israel was restored, not created.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I have been doping some fact checking. So far she is 100% correct.

1) The Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) was founded under the royal patronage of Queen Victoria in 1865...
The Palestine Exploration Fund: History

2) Ariel Sharon or Ariel Scheinermann was born on February 26, 1928 in Kfar Malal, Palestine.

3)

Are these facts somehow not clear?

It doesn't mean what You think.

Nobody says the geographical area was not called Palestine, but Arabs didn't identify with it.
Until this day they identify with either the Northern Arabian or South Yemenite tribes.
Doesn't change the "We are Syrians" part in the Arab declaration.
Arabs didn't identify as Palestinians until the last century when it was politically profitable.

In fact Jews were referred to as "Palestinians among us" 200 years before any Arab even began considering the term:

"The Palestinians living among us have, for the most part, earned a not unfounded reputation for being cheaters, because of their spirit of usury since their exile. Certainly, it seems strange to conceive of a nation of cheaters; but it is just as odd to think of a nation of merchants, the great majority of whom, bound by an ancient superstition that is recognized by the State they live in, seek no civil dignity and try to make up for this loss by the advantage of duping the people among whom they find refuge, and even one another. The situation could not be otherwise, given a whole nation of merchants, as non-productive members of society (for example, the Jews in Poland). So their constitution, which is sanctioned by ancient precepts and even by the people among whom they live (since we have certain sacred writings in common with them), cannot consistently be abolished — even though the supreme principle of their morality in trading with us is "Let the buyer beware." I shall not engage in the futile undertaking of lecturing to these people, in terms of morality, about cheating and honesty. Instead, I shall present my conjectures about the origin of this peculiar constitution (the constitution, namely, of a nation of merchants)."
[Quoted in Immanuel Kant, Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View 1785)

Curtis Bowman: An Anti-Semitic Observation From Kant

1) What year was the Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) founded?

2) When was Ariel Sharon born and where?

3) It was called the mandate for Palestine. True or false?

Let's not get caught up with opinion pieces (spin) and focus on the facts that we can verify.

1. It was founded roughly a 100 years after Jews were referred as "Palestinians" and 102 years before any Arab identified as such.

2. Ariel Sharon was a citizen of the British mandate.

3. Yes, yet Arabs declared to be officially Syrians, with allegiance to a foreign King from Mecca.

2. Ariel Sharon was a citizen of the British mandate.

The British Mandate was not a place.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I have been doping some fact checking. So far she is 100% correct.

1) The Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) was founded under the royal patronage of Queen Victoria in 1865...
The Palestine Exploration Fund: History

2) Ariel Sharon or Ariel Scheinermann was born on February 26, 1928 in Kfar Malal, Palestine.

3)

Are these facts somehow not clear?

Tell me more about that Jewish guy born in Palestine.
When did the first Muslim arrive there?

 

[rylah]

I have been doping some fact checking. So far she is 100% correct.

1) The Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) was founded under the royal patronage of Queen Victoria in 1865...
The Palestine Exploration Fund: History

2) Ariel Sharon or Ariel Scheinermann was born on February 26, 1928 in Kfar Malal, Palestine.

3)

Are these facts somehow not clear?

It doesn't mean what You think.

Nobody says the geographical area was not called Palestine, but Arabs didn't identify with it.
Until this day they identify with either the Northern Arabian or South Yemenite tribes.
Doesn't change the "We are Syrians" part in the Arab declaration.
Arabs didn't identify as Palestinians until the last century when it was politically profitable.

In fact Jews were referred to as "Palestinians among us" 200 years before any Arab even began considering the term:

"The Palestinians living among us have, for the most part, earned a not unfounded reputation for being cheaters, because of their spirit of usury since their exile. Certainly, it seems strange to conceive of a nation of cheaters; but it is just as odd to think of a nation of merchants, the great majority of whom, bound by an ancient superstition that is recognized by the State they live in, seek no civil dignity and try to make up for this loss by the advantage of duping the people among whom they find refuge, and even one another. The situation could not be otherwise, given a whole nation of merchants, as non-productive members of society (for example, the Jews in Poland). So their constitution, which is sanctioned by ancient precepts and even by the people among whom they live (since we have certain sacred writings in common with them), cannot consistently be abolished — even though the supreme principle of their morality in trading with us is "Let the buyer beware." I shall not engage in the futile undertaking of lecturing to these people, in terms of morality, about cheating and honesty. Instead, I shall present my conjectures about the origin of this peculiar constitution (the constitution, namely, of a nation of merchants)."
[Quoted in Immanuel Kant, Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View 1785)

Curtis Bowman: An Anti-Semitic Observation From Kant

1) What year was the Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) founded?

2) When was Ariel Sharon born and where?

3) It was called the mandate for Palestine. True or false?

Let's not get caught up with opinion pieces (spin) and focus on the facts that we can verify.

1. It was founded roughly a 100 years after Jews were referred as "Palestinians" and 102 years before any Arab identified as such.

2. Ariel Sharon was a citizen of the British mandate.

3. Yes, yet Arabs declared to be officially Syrians, with allegiance to a foreign King from Mecca.

2. Ariel Sharon was a citizen of the British mandate.

The British Mandate was not a place.

Yet the Arabs declared they were Syrians, and declared their allegiance to a king from Mecca who helped the British conquer the land.

Ariel Sharon was a Palestine Mandate citizen, while the Arabs didn't want any part of Palestine to be independent, but a part of a bigger Arab empire.

 

[Ria_Longhorn]

I am pretty sure that Bethlehem is in Palestine. What are you trying to say?

Sis, you're wrong:

The New Testament says, "Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea," (MATTHEW 2:1) and that his father, "took the young child [Jesus] and his mother, and came into the land of Israel." (MATTHEW 2:21

 

[abi]

Tell me more about that Jewish guy born in Palestine.

His name is Ariel Sharon.

"The New Testament says, "Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea," (MATTHEW 2:1) and that his father, "took the young child [Jesus] and his mother, and came into the land of Israel." (MATTHEW 2:21"

Sorry, Ria_Longhorn, but we are still not working with scripture for academic purposes.

Palestinians have always been a separate people from Bedouins, Arabians (the indigenous people of Jordan). Palestine has also been separate from Syria, being a separate administrative unit of the Ottoman Empire and a separate Roman Province. Palestinians that speak Arabic are not Arabians, no more than Tunisians and Egyptians are. The Palestinians, Muslim and Christian are descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine with an admixture of migratory peoples that came to the area from many places and who adopted Christianity first and then Islam as their religions. Jews that converted to Christianity especially after the adoption of Christianity as the Roman state religion in the late 4th century are also ancestors of the Palestinians. Note: Many Jews became Christians in the first 2-3 centuries after the birth of Christ. The first Christians were, in fact, practiced Judaism before becoming Christians.

Thank-you for the sanity. Is anyone here arguing these facts?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tell me more about that Jewish guy born in Palestine.

His name is Ariel Sharon.

"The New Testament says, "Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea," (MATTHEW 2:1) and that his father, "took the young child [Jesus] and his mother, and came into the land of Israel." (MATTHEW 2:21"

Sorry, Ria_Longhorn, but we are still not working with scripture for academic purposes.

Palestinians have always been a separate people from Bedouins, Arabians (the indigenous people of Jordan). Palestine has also been separate from Syria, being a separate administrative unit of the Ottoman Empire and a separate Roman Province. Palestinians that speak Arabic are not Arabians, no more than Tunisians and Egyptians are. The Palestinians, Muslim and Christian are descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine with an admixture of migratory peoples that came to the area from many places and who adopted Christianity first and then Islam as their religions. Jews that converted to Christianity especially after the adoption of Christianity as the Roman state religion in the late 4th century are also ancestors of the Palestinians. Note: Many Jews became Christians in the first 2-3 centuries after the birth of Christ. The first Christians were, in fact, practiced Judaism before becoming Christians.

Thank-you for the sanity. Is anyone here arguing these facts?

His name is Ariel Sharon.

I was thinking of Jesus. A Jewish guy born in Bethlehem, hundreds of years before the first Muslim showed up.
Doesn't that damage the claim that Bethlehem should be part of a new Muslim nation?

 

[Hollie]

Tell me more about that Jewish guy born in Palestine.

His name is Ariel Sharon.

"The New Testament says, "Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea," (MATTHEW 2:1) and that his father, "took the young child [Jesus] and his mother, and came into the land of Israel." (MATTHEW 2:21"

Sorry, Ria_Longhorn, but we are still not working with scripture for academic purposes.

Palestinians have always been a separate people from Bedouins, Arabians (the indigenous people of Jordan). Palestine has also been separate from Syria, being a separate administrative unit of the Ottoman Empire and a separate Roman Province. Palestinians that speak Arabic are not Arabians, no more than Tunisians and Egyptians are. The Palestinians, Muslim and Christian are descendants of the indigenous people of Palestine with an admixture of migratory peoples that came to the area from many places and who adopted Christianity first and then Islam as their religions. Jews that converted to Christianity especially after the adoption of Christianity as the Roman state religion in the late 4th century are also ancestors of the Palestinians. Note: Many Jews became Christians in the first 2-3 centuries after the birth of Christ. The first Christians were, in fact, practiced Judaism before becoming Christians.

Thank-you for the sanity. Is anyone here arguing these facts?

Actually, you're working with muhammedan ideology when dealing with islamic terrorist organizations such as Hamas. Read their charter. It makes specific reference to the land of Israel as a waqf.

You should understand what that term means.

 

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I have been doping some fact checking. So far she is 100% correct.

1) The Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) was founded under the royal patronage of Queen Victoria in 1865...
The Palestine Exploration Fund: History

2) Ariel Sharon or Ariel Scheinermann was born on February 26, 1928 in Kfar Malal, Palestine.

3)

Are these facts somehow not clear?

It doesn't mean what You think.

Nobody says the geographical area was not called Palestine, but Arabs didn't identify with it.
Until this day they identify with either the Northern Arabian or South Yemenite tribes.
Doesn't change the "We are Syrians" part in the Arab declaration.
Arabs didn't identify as Palestinians until the last century when it was politically profitable.

In fact Jews were referred to as "Palestinians among us" 200 years before any Arab even began considering the term:

"The Palestinians living among us have, for the most part, earned a not unfounded reputation for being cheaters, because of their spirit of usury since their exile. Certainly, it seems strange to conceive of a nation of cheaters; but it is just as odd to think of a nation of merchants, the great majority of whom, bound by an ancient superstition that is recognized by the State they live in, seek no civil dignity and try to make up for this loss by the advantage of duping the people among whom they find refuge, and even one another. The situation could not be otherwise, given a whole nation of merchants, as non-productive members of society (for example, the Jews in Poland). So their constitution, which is sanctioned by ancient precepts and even by the people among whom they live (since we have certain sacred writings in common with them), cannot consistently be abolished — even though the supreme principle of their morality in trading with us is "Let the buyer beware." I shall not engage in the futile undertaking of lecturing to these people, in terms of morality, about cheating and honesty. Instead, I shall present my conjectures about the origin of this peculiar constitution (the constitution, namely, of a nation of merchants)."
[Quoted in Immanuel Kant, Anthropology from a Pragmatic Point of View 1785)

Curtis Bowman: An Anti-Semitic Observation From Kant

1) What year was the Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) founded?

2) When was Ariel Sharon born and where?

3) It was called the mandate for Palestine. True or false?

Let's not get caught up with opinion pieces (spin) and focus on the facts that we can verify.

1. It was founded roughly a 100 years after Jews were referred as "Palestinians" and 102 years before any Arab identified as such.

2. Ariel Sharon was a citizen of the British mandate.

3. Yes, yet Arabs declared to be officially Syrians, with allegiance to a foreign King from Mecca.

2. Ariel Sharon was a citizen of the British mandate.

The British Mandate was not a place.

Yet the Arabs declared they were Syrians, and declared their allegiance to a king from Mecca who helped the British conquer the land.

Ariel Sharon was a Palestine Mandate citizen, while the Arabs didn't want any part of Palestine to be independent, but a part of a bigger Arab empire.

Ariel Sharon was a Palestine Mandate citizen,

The Palestine Mandate was not a place.