The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[Phoenall]

1. Just factual official census data, I understand it is inconvenient when facts debunk propaganda.

2. You are well aware that I have forgotten more than you will ever learn about the "history of the area". That is why you are so defensive and resort to personal insults. It does not make your absurd assertions any more erudite. Frankly, you don't know what you are talking about.

3. Again, what people (of what religion) did the Ottomans displace in Palestine as a result of this invasion, and who did they replace them with? If you are convinced that this happened.

4. And, these other invasions you are going on about. What people did they displace, if any.

How can it be factual when it was gathered by arab muslims for the anglo American committee.

 

[dosmin.pavas]

1. We have the source data as reported by the British Mandatory. You can't seem to accept the facts.


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A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ Stanford University

2. You don't appear to understand the term non-sequitur. What doesn't follow is your statement, not the association of national identity with a people.

3. As the Palestinians themselves wrote the referenced letters to the British calling themselves Palestinians, you are again unable to separate yourself from the propaganda you have been fed.

4. Who has ever claimed that there was a sovereign country called Palestine? Independence of Palestine was prevented by the European invasion and colonial settlement. There are Kurdish and Tibetan flags, for example but no sovereign Kurdish or Tibetan states, what is unusual about Palestinians having a flag?

Thank you for your response montelatici. Its been a while since I speak to an educated person so I find this conversation very interesting although I preferred if you refrain from derogatory branding tactics such as saying Jews are invaders or that I have been fed propaganda (Note that I feel the same about you).

1. The Arab mass immigration was mostly illegal therefore it was not recorded. Your numbers only count in legal immigration.

2. I say Labeling people Palestinians will not make them indigenous (Palestine comes from Hebrew word pilishtim which means invader BTW). you say my argument is non-sequitur?! sorry I do not understand.

3. A letter to the British is an external communication and when you speak to foreign entities you trier to speak their language. I am glad we both agree they were externally called Palestinians. But can you please tell me some Arab organisations that was called Palestine. Here I give you some Jewish ones: Palestine post (now Jerusalem post) - Palestine stamp (written on it land of Israel) - Mandatory Palestine football team (Mandatory Palestine national football team - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

4. The Palestinian cause is a political cause. We have Zionist and Palestinians. The people are Jews and Arabs. Even Arab leaders acknowledge there is no such thing as a Palestinian people (Jordan is Palestine: Quotes Arab Leaders Wish Could Be Erased From History). Something that I mentioned in my earlier post and you have completely ignored. Even if we were to go with your native, Jordan is Palestine and occupies 80% of the original British mandate.

 

[montelatici]

Repeating propaganda won't make it true.

1. The Arab mass immigration was mostly illegal therefore it was not recorded. Your numbers only count in legal immigration.

Thank you for repeating Zionist propaganda, but the official records show that there was no Arab illegal immigration to speak of and a great dela of Jewish illegal immigration.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para 54.

54. ................It follows that the Jewish population may now include between 50,000 and 60,000 illegal immigrants who have settled in Palestine at any time since 1920 when the first Immigration Ordinance was enacted.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para. 59.

59. The conclusion is that Arab illegal immigration for the purposes of permanent settlement is insignificant.

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ Stanford University

2. I say Labeling people Palestinians will not make them indigenous (Palestine comes from Hebrew word pilishtim which means invader BTW). you say my argument is non-sequitur?! sorry I do not understand.

Because the people currently of the Christian and Muslim religion in Palestine are people whose ancestors followed Canaanite, Philistine, Jewish, Samaritan, Roman and Eastern religions of the Roman Empire before Christianity became the state religion of the Eastern Roman Empire in about 310 AD and all citizens, particularly those in Palestine (non-Christians were banned from Jerusalem), adopted Christianity. After the Muslim conquests most of these Christians of Palestine, in time, converted to Islam.

The Jews that colonized Palestine, on the other hand, came from another continent, Europe. They are certainly not indigenous to Palestine.

3. "But can you please tell me some Arab organisations that was called Palestine."

We can start with the Palestine Arab Congress.

"Muslim-Christian Associations were established in all the major towns. They soon formed a national body, the Palestine Arab Congress, which tried to influence the developing British policy in Palestine and counter the influence of the Zionist Commission which visited Palestine in April 1918.

The Palestine Arab Congress was a series of congresses held by the Palestinian Arab population, organized by a nationwide network of local Muslim-Christian Associations, in the British Mandate of Palestine. Between 1919 and 1928, seven congresses were held in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Haifa and Nablus. "

Palestine Arab Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4. Posting the fake 2006 Hasbara produced map is rather embarrassing for me to even comment on. Everyone knows where that map came from. Trans-Jordan was reserved for the Hashemites, Bedouin (Arabians from the Arabian peninsula) tribal chiefs, not Christian and Muslims Palestinians who are not Bedouin Arabians.

 

[Hollie]

Repeating propaganda won't make it true.

1. The Arab mass immigration was mostly illegal therefore it was not recorded. Your numbers only count in legal immigration.

Thank you for repeating Zionist propaganda, but the official records show that there was no Arab illegal immigration to speak of and a great dela of Jewish illegal immigration.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para 54.

54. ................It follows that the Jewish population may now include between 50,000 and 60,000 illegal immigrants who have settled in Palestine at any time since 1920 when the first Immigration Ordinance was enacted.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para. 59.

59. The conclusion is that Arab illegal immigration for the purposes of permanent settlement is insignificant.

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ Stanford University

2. I say Labeling people Palestinians will not make them indigenous (Palestine comes from Hebrew word pilishtim which means invader BTW). you say my argument is non-sequitur?! sorry I do not understand.

Because the people currently of the Christian and Muslim religion in Palestine are people whose ancestors followed Canaanite, Philistine, Jewish, Samaritan, Roman and Eastern religions of the Roman Empire before Christianity became the state religion of the Eastern Roman Empire in about 310 AD and all citizens, particularly those in Palestine (non-Christians were banned from Jerusalem), adopted Christianity. After the Muslim conquests most of these Christians of Palestine, in time, converted to Islam.

The Jews that colonized Palestine, on the other hand, came from another continent, Europe. They are certainly not indigenous to Palestine.

3. "But can you please tell me some Arab organisations that was called Palestine."

We can start with the Palestine Arab Congress.

"Muslim-Christian Associations were established in all the major towns. They soon formed a national body, the Palestine Arab Congress, which tried to influence the developing British policy in Palestine and counter the influence of the Zionist Commission which visited Palestine in April 1918.

The Palestine Arab Congress was a series of congresses held by the Palestinian Arab population, organized by a nationwide network of local Muslim-Christian Associations, in the British Mandate of Palestine. Between 1919 and 1928, seven congresses were held in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Haifa and Nablus. "

Palestine Arab Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4. Posting the fake 2006 Hasbara produced map is rather embarrassing for me to even comment on. Everyone knows where that map came from. Trans-Jordan was reserved for the Hashemites, Bedouin (Arabians from the Arabian peninsula) tribal chiefs, not Christian and Muslims Palestinians who are not Bedouin Arabians.

Your endless cutting and pasting from edited wiki articles makes you an accomplice to the fraud of others.


Myths & Facts: The British Mandate Period (Chapter 2) | Jewish Virtual Library

By contrast, throughout the Mandatory period, Arab immigration was unrestricted. In 1930, the Hope Simpson Commission, sent from London to investigate the 1929 Arab riots, said the British practice of ignoring the uncontrolled illegal Arab immigration from Egypt, Transjordan and Syria had the effect of displacing the prospective Jewish immigrants. 8

The British Governor of the Sinai from 1922–36 observed: “This illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.” 9

The Peel Commission reported in 1937 that the “shortfall of land is . . . due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population.” 10

 

[montelatici]

Repeating propaganda won't make it true.

1. The Arab mass immigration was mostly illegal therefore it was not recorded. Your numbers only count in legal immigration.

Thank you for repeating Zionist propaganda, but the official records show that there was no Arab illegal immigration to speak of and a great dela of Jewish illegal immigration.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para 54.

54. ................It follows that the Jewish population may now include between 50,000 and 60,000 illegal immigrants who have settled in Palestine at any time since 1920 when the first Immigration Ordinance was enacted.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para. 59.

59. The conclusion is that Arab illegal immigration for the purposes of permanent settlement is insignificant.

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ Stanford University

2. I say Labeling people Palestinians will not make them indigenous (Palestine comes from Hebrew word pilishtim which means invader BTW). you say my argument is non-sequitur?! sorry I do not understand.

Because the people currently of the Christian and Muslim religion in Palestine are people whose ancestors followed Canaanite, Philistine, Jewish, Samaritan, Roman and Eastern religions of the Roman Empire before Christianity became the state religion of the Eastern Roman Empire in about 310 AD and all citizens, particularly those in Palestine (non-Christians were banned from Jerusalem), adopted Christianity. After the Muslim conquests most of these Christians of Palestine, in time, converted to Islam.

The Jews that colonized Palestine, on the other hand, came from another continent, Europe. They are certainly not indigenous to Palestine.

3. "But can you please tell me some Arab organisations that was called Palestine."

We can start with the Palestine Arab Congress.

"Muslim-Christian Associations were established in all the major towns. They soon formed a national body, the Palestine Arab Congress, which tried to influence the developing British policy in Palestine and counter the influence of the Zionist Commission which visited Palestine in April 1918.

The Palestine Arab Congress was a series of congresses held by the Palestinian Arab population, organized by a nationwide network of local Muslim-Christian Associations, in the British Mandate of Palestine. Between 1919 and 1928, seven congresses were held in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Haifa and Nablus. "

Palestine Arab Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4. Posting the fake 2006 Hasbara produced map is rather embarrassing for me to even comment on. Everyone knows where that map came from. Trans-Jordan was reserved for the Hashemites, Bedouin (Arabians from the Arabian peninsula) tribal chiefs, not Christian and Muslims Palestinians who are not Bedouin Arabians.

Your endless cutting and pasting from edited wiki articles makes you an accomplice to the fraud of others.


Myths & Facts: The British Mandate Period (Chapter 2) | Jewish Virtual Library

By contrast, throughout the Mandatory period, Arab immigration was unrestricted. In 1930, the Hope Simpson Commission, sent from London to investigate the 1929 Arab riots, said the British practice of ignoring the uncontrolled illegal Arab immigration from Egypt, Transjordan and Syria had the effect of displacing the prospective Jewish immigrants. 8

The British Governor of the Sinai from 1922–36 observed: “This illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.” 9

The Peel Commission reported in 1937 that the “shortfall of land is . . . due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population.” 10

Oh, propaganda from the Jewish Virtual Library, a Hasbara operation, is reliable. LOL

Try to use objective sources if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[Hollie]

Repeating propaganda won't make it true.

1. The Arab mass immigration was mostly illegal therefore it was not recorded. Your numbers only count in legal immigration.

Thank you for repeating Zionist propaganda, but the official records show that there was no Arab illegal immigration to speak of and a great dela of Jewish illegal immigration.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para 54.

54. ................It follows that the Jewish population may now include between 50,000 and 60,000 illegal immigrants who have settled in Palestine at any time since 1920 when the first Immigration Ordinance was enacted.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para. 59.

59. The conclusion is that Arab illegal immigration for the purposes of permanent settlement is insignificant.

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ Stanford University

2. I say Labeling people Palestinians will not make them indigenous (Palestine comes from Hebrew word pilishtim which means invader BTW). you say my argument is non-sequitur?! sorry I do not understand.

Because the people currently of the Christian and Muslim religion in Palestine are people whose ancestors followed Canaanite, Philistine, Jewish, Samaritan, Roman and Eastern religions of the Roman Empire before Christianity became the state religion of the Eastern Roman Empire in about 310 AD and all citizens, particularly those in Palestine (non-Christians were banned from Jerusalem), adopted Christianity. After the Muslim conquests most of these Christians of Palestine, in time, converted to Islam.

The Jews that colonized Palestine, on the other hand, came from another continent, Europe. They are certainly not indigenous to Palestine.

3. "But can you please tell me some Arab organisations that was called Palestine."

We can start with the Palestine Arab Congress.

"Muslim-Christian Associations were established in all the major towns. They soon formed a national body, the Palestine Arab Congress, which tried to influence the developing British policy in Palestine and counter the influence of the Zionist Commission which visited Palestine in April 1918.

The Palestine Arab Congress was a series of congresses held by the Palestinian Arab population, organized by a nationwide network of local Muslim-Christian Associations, in the British Mandate of Palestine. Between 1919 and 1928, seven congresses were held in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Haifa and Nablus. "

Palestine Arab Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4. Posting the fake 2006 Hasbara produced map is rather embarrassing for me to even comment on. Everyone knows where that map came from. Trans-Jordan was reserved for the Hashemites, Bedouin (Arabians from the Arabian peninsula) tribal chiefs, not Christian and Muslims Palestinians who are not Bedouin Arabians.

Your endless cutting and pasting from edited wiki articles makes you an accomplice to the fraud of others.


Myths & Facts: The British Mandate Period (Chapter 2) | Jewish Virtual Library

By contrast, throughout the Mandatory period, Arab immigration was unrestricted. In 1930, the Hope Simpson Commission, sent from London to investigate the 1929 Arab riots, said the British practice of ignoring the uncontrolled illegal Arab immigration from Egypt, Transjordan and Syria had the effect of displacing the prospective Jewish immigrants. 8

The British Governor of the Sinai from 1922–36 observed: “This illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.” 9

The Peel Commission reported in 1937 that the “shortfall of land is . . . due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population.” 10

Oh, propaganda from the Jewish Virtual Library, a Hasbara operation, is reliable. LOL

Try to use objective sources if you want to be taken seriously.

Oh, you're as befuddled as usual.

 

[montelatici]

Repeating propaganda won't make it true.

1. The Arab mass immigration was mostly illegal therefore it was not recorded. Your numbers only count in legal immigration.

Thank you for repeating Zionist propaganda, but the official records show that there was no Arab illegal immigration to speak of and a great dela of Jewish illegal immigration.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para 54.

54. ................It follows that the Jewish population may now include between 50,000 and 60,000 illegal immigrants who have settled in Palestine at any time since 1920 when the first Immigration Ordinance was enacted.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para. 59.

59. The conclusion is that Arab illegal immigration for the purposes of permanent settlement is insignificant.

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ Stanford University

2. I say Labeling people Palestinians will not make them indigenous (Palestine comes from Hebrew word pilishtim which means invader BTW). you say my argument is non-sequitur?! sorry I do not understand.

Because the people currently of the Christian and Muslim religion in Palestine are people whose ancestors followed Canaanite, Philistine, Jewish, Samaritan, Roman and Eastern religions of the Roman Empire before Christianity became the state religion of the Eastern Roman Empire in about 310 AD and all citizens, particularly those in Palestine (non-Christians were banned from Jerusalem), adopted Christianity. After the Muslim conquests most of these Christians of Palestine, in time, converted to Islam.

The Jews that colonized Palestine, on the other hand, came from another continent, Europe. They are certainly not indigenous to Palestine.

3. "But can you please tell me some Arab organisations that was called Palestine."

We can start with the Palestine Arab Congress.

"Muslim-Christian Associations were established in all the major towns. They soon formed a national body, the Palestine Arab Congress, which tried to influence the developing British policy in Palestine and counter the influence of the Zionist Commission which visited Palestine in April 1918.

The Palestine Arab Congress was a series of congresses held by the Palestinian Arab population, organized by a nationwide network of local Muslim-Christian Associations, in the British Mandate of Palestine. Between 1919 and 1928, seven congresses were held in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Haifa and Nablus. "

Palestine Arab Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4. Posting the fake 2006 Hasbara produced map is rather embarrassing for me to even comment on. Everyone knows where that map came from. Trans-Jordan was reserved for the Hashemites, Bedouin (Arabians from the Arabian peninsula) tribal chiefs, not Christian and Muslims Palestinians who are not Bedouin Arabians.

Your endless cutting and pasting from edited wiki articles makes you an accomplice to the fraud of others.


Myths & Facts: The British Mandate Period (Chapter 2) | Jewish Virtual Library

By contrast, throughout the Mandatory period, Arab immigration was unrestricted. In 1930, the Hope Simpson Commission, sent from London to investigate the 1929 Arab riots, said the British practice of ignoring the uncontrolled illegal Arab immigration from Egypt, Transjordan and Syria had the effect of displacing the prospective Jewish immigrants. 8

The British Governor of the Sinai from 1922–36 observed: “This illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.” 9

The Peel Commission reported in 1937 that the “shortfall of land is . . . due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population.” 10

Oh, propaganda from the Jewish Virtual Library, a Hasbara operation, is reliable. LOL

Try to use objective sources if you want to be taken seriously.

Oh, you're as befuddled as usual.

You believe that calling someone "befuddled" when you have been shown to be a fool somehow helps. You still look the fool, trust me.

 

[Hollie]

Repeating propaganda won't make it true.

1. The Arab mass immigration was mostly illegal therefore it was not recorded. Your numbers only count in legal immigration.

Thank you for repeating Zionist propaganda, but the official records show that there was no Arab illegal immigration to speak of and a great dela of Jewish illegal immigration.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para 54.

54. ................It follows that the Jewish population may now include between 50,000 and 60,000 illegal immigrants who have settled in Palestine at any time since 1920 when the first Immigration Ordinance was enacted.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para. 59.

59. The conclusion is that Arab illegal immigration for the purposes of permanent settlement is insignificant.

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ Stanford University

2. I say Labeling people Palestinians will not make them indigenous (Palestine comes from Hebrew word pilishtim which means invader BTW). you say my argument is non-sequitur?! sorry I do not understand.

Because the people currently of the Christian and Muslim religion in Palestine are people whose ancestors followed Canaanite, Philistine, Jewish, Samaritan, Roman and Eastern religions of the Roman Empire before Christianity became the state religion of the Eastern Roman Empire in about 310 AD and all citizens, particularly those in Palestine (non-Christians were banned from Jerusalem), adopted Christianity. After the Muslim conquests most of these Christians of Palestine, in time, converted to Islam.

The Jews that colonized Palestine, on the other hand, came from another continent, Europe. They are certainly not indigenous to Palestine.

3. "But can you please tell me some Arab organisations that was called Palestine."

We can start with the Palestine Arab Congress.

"Muslim-Christian Associations were established in all the major towns. They soon formed a national body, the Palestine Arab Congress, which tried to influence the developing British policy in Palestine and counter the influence of the Zionist Commission which visited Palestine in April 1918.

The Palestine Arab Congress was a series of congresses held by the Palestinian Arab population, organized by a nationwide network of local Muslim-Christian Associations, in the British Mandate of Palestine. Between 1919 and 1928, seven congresses were held in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Haifa and Nablus. "

Palestine Arab Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4. Posting the fake 2006 Hasbara produced map is rather embarrassing for me to even comment on. Everyone knows where that map came from. Trans-Jordan was reserved for the Hashemites, Bedouin (Arabians from the Arabian peninsula) tribal chiefs, not Christian and Muslims Palestinians who are not Bedouin Arabians.

Your endless cutting and pasting from edited wiki articles makes you an accomplice to the fraud of others.


Myths & Facts: The British Mandate Period (Chapter 2) | Jewish Virtual Library

By contrast, throughout the Mandatory period, Arab immigration was unrestricted. In 1930, the Hope Simpson Commission, sent from London to investigate the 1929 Arab riots, said the British practice of ignoring the uncontrolled illegal Arab immigration from Egypt, Transjordan and Syria had the effect of displacing the prospective Jewish immigrants. 8

The British Governor of the Sinai from 1922–36 observed: “This illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.” 9

The Peel Commission reported in 1937 that the “shortfall of land is . . . due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population.” 10

Oh, propaganda from the Jewish Virtual Library, a Hasbara operation, is reliable. LOL

Try to use objective sources if you want to be taken seriously.

Oh, you're as befuddled as usual.

You believe that calling someone "befuddled" when you have been shown to be a fool somehow helps. You still look the fool, trust me.

You've made yourself the laughing stock with your cutting and pasting of the same material multiple times across multiple threads. Believe me.

 

[montelatici]

No, I have presented facts from source documentation in response to Zionist propaganda. I have angered the propagandists, but no one is laughing, trust me.

No one believes you, by the way. Posting links to Hasbara sponsored websites does very little for your credibility.

 

[Phoenall]

Repeating propaganda won't make it true.

1. The Arab mass immigration was mostly illegal therefore it was not recorded. Your numbers only count in legal immigration.

Thank you for repeating Zionist propaganda, but the official records show that there was no Arab illegal immigration to speak of and a great dela of Jewish illegal immigration.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para 54.

54. ................It follows that the Jewish population may now include between 50,000 and 60,000 illegal immigrants who have settled in Palestine at any time since 1920 when the first Immigration Ordinance was enacted.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para. 59.

59. The conclusion is that Arab illegal immigration for the purposes of permanent settlement is insignificant.

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ Stanford University

2. I say Labeling people Palestinians will not make them indigenous (Palestine comes from Hebrew word pilishtim which means invader BTW). you say my argument is non-sequitur?! sorry I do not understand.

Because the people currently of the Christian and Muslim religion in Palestine are people whose ancestors followed Canaanite, Philistine, Jewish, Samaritan, Roman and Eastern religions of the Roman Empire before Christianity became the state religion of the Eastern Roman Empire in about 310 AD and all citizens, particularly those in Palestine (non-Christians were banned from Jerusalem), adopted Christianity. After the Muslim conquests most of these Christians of Palestine, in time, converted to Islam.

The Jews that colonized Palestine, on the other hand, came from another continent, Europe. They are certainly not indigenous to Palestine.

3. "But can you please tell me some Arab organisations that was called Palestine."

We can start with the Palestine Arab Congress.

"Muslim-Christian Associations were established in all the major towns. They soon formed a national body, the Palestine Arab Congress, which tried to influence the developing British policy in Palestine and counter the influence of the Zionist Commission which visited Palestine in April 1918.

The Palestine Arab Congress was a series of congresses held by the Palestinian Arab population, organized by a nationwide network of local Muslim-Christian Associations, in the British Mandate of Palestine. Between 1919 and 1928, seven congresses were held in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Haifa and Nablus. "

Palestine Arab Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4. Posting the fake 2006 Hasbara produced map is rather embarrassing for me to even comment on. Everyone knows where that map came from. Trans-Jordan was reserved for the Hashemites, Bedouin (Arabians from the Arabian peninsula) tribal chiefs, not Christian and Muslims Palestinians who are not Bedouin Arabians.

Until you start reading the official versions of the migration from such people as Churchill when you find that many tems of thousands of arab muslims illegally migrated to Palestine. Or that the British mandate was not bothered about arab muslim migration so ignored it.


Yes those who look at the archives know exactly where that map came from, the LoN treaty that set out to create a Jewish homeland in palestine

 

[Phoenall]

Repeating propaganda won't make it true.

1. The Arab mass immigration was mostly illegal therefore it was not recorded. Your numbers only count in legal immigration.

Thank you for repeating Zionist propaganda, but the official records show that there was no Arab illegal immigration to speak of and a great dela of Jewish illegal immigration.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para 54.

54. ................It follows that the Jewish population may now include between 50,000 and 60,000 illegal immigrants who have settled in Palestine at any time since 1920 when the first Immigration Ordinance was enacted.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para. 59.

59. The conclusion is that Arab illegal immigration for the purposes of permanent settlement is insignificant.

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ Stanford University

2. I say Labeling people Palestinians will not make them indigenous (Palestine comes from Hebrew word pilishtim which means invader BTW). you say my argument is non-sequitur?! sorry I do not understand.

Because the people currently of the Christian and Muslim religion in Palestine are people whose ancestors followed Canaanite, Philistine, Jewish, Samaritan, Roman and Eastern religions of the Roman Empire before Christianity became the state religion of the Eastern Roman Empire in about 310 AD and all citizens, particularly those in Palestine (non-Christians were banned from Jerusalem), adopted Christianity. After the Muslim conquests most of these Christians of Palestine, in time, converted to Islam.

The Jews that colonized Palestine, on the other hand, came from another continent, Europe. They are certainly not indigenous to Palestine.

3. "But can you please tell me some Arab organisations that was called Palestine."

We can start with the Palestine Arab Congress.

"Muslim-Christian Associations were established in all the major towns. They soon formed a national body, the Palestine Arab Congress, which tried to influence the developing British policy in Palestine and counter the influence of the Zionist Commission which visited Palestine in April 1918.

The Palestine Arab Congress was a series of congresses held by the Palestinian Arab population, organized by a nationwide network of local Muslim-Christian Associations, in the British Mandate of Palestine. Between 1919 and 1928, seven congresses were held in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Haifa and Nablus. "

Palestine Arab Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4. Posting the fake 2006 Hasbara produced map is rather embarrassing for me to even comment on. Everyone knows where that map came from. Trans-Jordan was reserved for the Hashemites, Bedouin (Arabians from the Arabian peninsula) tribal chiefs, not Christian and Muslims Palestinians who are not Bedouin Arabians.

Your endless cutting and pasting from edited wiki articles makes you an accomplice to the fraud of others.


Myths & Facts: The British Mandate Period (Chapter 2) | Jewish Virtual Library

By contrast, throughout the Mandatory period, Arab immigration was unrestricted. In 1930, the Hope Simpson Commission, sent from London to investigate the 1929 Arab riots, said the British practice of ignoring the uncontrolled illegal Arab immigration from Egypt, Transjordan and Syria had the effect of displacing the prospective Jewish immigrants. 8

The British Governor of the Sinai from 1922–36 observed: “This illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.” 9

The Peel Commission reported in 1937 that the “shortfall of land is . . . due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population.” 10

Oh, propaganda from the Jewish Virtual Library, a Hasbara operation, is reliable. LOL

Try to use objective sources if you want to be taken seriously.

So is your islamonazi pallywood propaganda any better ?

How about your own link that states the British turned a blind eye to arab immigration as it was not in their remit ?

 

[Phoenall]

Repeating propaganda won't make it true.

1. The Arab mass immigration was mostly illegal therefore it was not recorded. Your numbers only count in legal immigration.

Thank you for repeating Zionist propaganda, but the official records show that there was no Arab illegal immigration to speak of and a great dela of Jewish illegal immigration.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para 54.

54. ................It follows that the Jewish population may now include between 50,000 and 60,000 illegal immigrants who have settled in Palestine at any time since 1920 when the first Immigration Ordinance was enacted.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para. 59.

59. The conclusion is that Arab illegal immigration for the purposes of permanent settlement is insignificant.

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ Stanford University

2. I say Labeling people Palestinians will not make them indigenous (Palestine comes from Hebrew word pilishtim which means invader BTW). you say my argument is non-sequitur?! sorry I do not understand.

Because the people currently of the Christian and Muslim religion in Palestine are people whose ancestors followed Canaanite, Philistine, Jewish, Samaritan, Roman and Eastern religions of the Roman Empire before Christianity became the state religion of the Eastern Roman Empire in about 310 AD and all citizens, particularly those in Palestine (non-Christians were banned from Jerusalem), adopted Christianity. After the Muslim conquests most of these Christians of Palestine, in time, converted to Islam.

The Jews that colonized Palestine, on the other hand, came from another continent, Europe. They are certainly not indigenous to Palestine.

3. "But can you please tell me some Arab organisations that was called Palestine."

We can start with the Palestine Arab Congress.

"Muslim-Christian Associations were established in all the major towns. They soon formed a national body, the Palestine Arab Congress, which tried to influence the developing British policy in Palestine and counter the influence of the Zionist Commission which visited Palestine in April 1918.

The Palestine Arab Congress was a series of congresses held by the Palestinian Arab population, organized by a nationwide network of local Muslim-Christian Associations, in the British Mandate of Palestine. Between 1919 and 1928, seven congresses were held in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Haifa and Nablus. "

Palestine Arab Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4. Posting the fake 2006 Hasbara produced map is rather embarrassing for me to even comment on. Everyone knows where that map came from. Trans-Jordan was reserved for the Hashemites, Bedouin (Arabians from the Arabian peninsula) tribal chiefs, not Christian and Muslims Palestinians who are not Bedouin Arabians.

Your endless cutting and pasting from edited wiki articles makes you an accomplice to the fraud of others.


Myths & Facts: The British Mandate Period (Chapter 2) | Jewish Virtual Library

By contrast, throughout the Mandatory period, Arab immigration was unrestricted. In 1930, the Hope Simpson Commission, sent from London to investigate the 1929 Arab riots, said the British practice of ignoring the uncontrolled illegal Arab immigration from Egypt, Transjordan and Syria had the effect of displacing the prospective Jewish immigrants. 8

The British Governor of the Sinai from 1922–36 observed: “This illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.” 9

The Peel Commission reported in 1937 that the “shortfall of land is . . . due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population.” 10

Oh, propaganda from the Jewish Virtual Library, a Hasbara operation, is reliable. LOL

Try to use objective sources if you want to be taken seriously.

Oh, you're as befuddled as usual.

You believe that calling someone "befuddled" when you have been shown to be a fool somehow helps. You still look the fool, trust me.

After your about turn on another section of the USMB I would not trust you with knowing where there was a birds nest. Now about your link that says that the British did not look at arab muslim immigration as it was not part of their remit. Care to comment ?

 

[Phoenall]

Repeating propaganda won't make it true.

1. The Arab mass immigration was mostly illegal therefore it was not recorded. Your numbers only count in legal immigration.

Thank you for repeating Zionist propaganda, but the official records show that there was no Arab illegal immigration to speak of and a great dela of Jewish illegal immigration.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para 54.

54. ................It follows that the Jewish population may now include between 50,000 and 60,000 illegal immigrants who have settled in Palestine at any time since 1920 when the first Immigration Ordinance was enacted.

Survey of Palestine Vol. page 210, para. 59.

59. The conclusion is that Arab illegal immigration for the purposes of permanent settlement is insignificant.

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 | Berman Jewish Policy Archive @ Stanford University

2. I say Labeling people Palestinians will not make them indigenous (Palestine comes from Hebrew word pilishtim which means invader BTW). you say my argument is non-sequitur?! sorry I do not understand.

Because the people currently of the Christian and Muslim religion in Palestine are people whose ancestors followed Canaanite, Philistine, Jewish, Samaritan, Roman and Eastern religions of the Roman Empire before Christianity became the state religion of the Eastern Roman Empire in about 310 AD and all citizens, particularly those in Palestine (non-Christians were banned from Jerusalem), adopted Christianity. After the Muslim conquests most of these Christians of Palestine, in time, converted to Islam.

The Jews that colonized Palestine, on the other hand, came from another continent, Europe. They are certainly not indigenous to Palestine.

3. "But can you please tell me some Arab organisations that was called Palestine."

We can start with the Palestine Arab Congress.

"Muslim-Christian Associations were established in all the major towns. They soon formed a national body, the Palestine Arab Congress, which tried to influence the developing British policy in Palestine and counter the influence of the Zionist Commission which visited Palestine in April 1918.

The Palestine Arab Congress was a series of congresses held by the Palestinian Arab population, organized by a nationwide network of local Muslim-Christian Associations, in the British Mandate of Palestine. Between 1919 and 1928, seven congresses were held in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Haifa and Nablus. "

Palestine Arab Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

4. Posting the fake 2006 Hasbara produced map is rather embarrassing for me to even comment on. Everyone knows where that map came from. Trans-Jordan was reserved for the Hashemites, Bedouin (Arabians from the Arabian peninsula) tribal chiefs, not Christian and Muslims Palestinians who are not Bedouin Arabians.

Your endless cutting and pasting from edited wiki articles makes you an accomplice to the fraud of others.


Myths & Facts: The British Mandate Period (Chapter 2) | Jewish Virtual Library

By contrast, throughout the Mandatory period, Arab immigration was unrestricted. In 1930, the Hope Simpson Commission, sent from London to investigate the 1929 Arab riots, said the British practice of ignoring the uncontrolled illegal Arab immigration from Egypt, Transjordan and Syria had the effect of displacing the prospective Jewish immigrants. 8

The British Governor of the Sinai from 1922–36 observed: “This illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.” 9

The Peel Commission reported in 1937 that the “shortfall of land is . . . due less to the amount of land acquired by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population.” 10

Oh, propaganda from the Jewish Virtual Library, a Hasbara operation, is reliable. LOL

Try to use objective sources if you want to be taken seriously.

Oh, you're as befuddled as usual.

You believe that calling someone "befuddled" when you have been shown to be a fool somehow helps. You still look the fool, trust me.

You've made yourself the laughing stock with your cutting and pasting of the same material multiple times across multiple threads. Believe me.

A pamphlet from the anglo American committee using arab muslim source material is not what anyone would call valid

 

[Hollie]

No, I have presented facts from source documentation in response to Zionist propaganda. I have angered the propagandists, but no one is laughing, trust me.

No one believes you, by the way. Posting links to Hasbara sponsored websites does very little for your credibility.

That's a shame. You're befuddled when I provide you source documentation.

Your response is the best a befuddled fool can provide: "No one believes you, by the way".

Obviously you can't refute the data so you're left to foot-stomping.

 

[Art__Allm]

The worlds top geneticists have shown that the Jews in Ethiopia have the same DNA as the Jews in Russia and East Europe and the M.E. Not a close match but an exact match and no arab muslims or Christians have even a close match.

What a BS! You do not understand the scientific language, you have never read the works you are referring to.

What you are referring to is the debunked works about the so-called "Cohen genes", which refers only to the direct paternal line of the Cohens.

But they never mention that only 3% of Jews belong to the Cohens, and that the paternal line is only a tiny percentage of the genome of a male (only a couple of markers in the Y-DNA) that are inherited from father to sons.

But the Levites do not have the same markers, though it is believed that Cohens and Levis stem from the same male that lived many thousand years ago!

And most Zionists never talk about the mtDNA, and Autosomal DNA, whoch compose more than 90% of human DNA.
Dr Eran Elhaik did a comprehensive research in this regard and confirmed that the Ashkenazi Jews predominantly stem from the Slavs and Khazars. Even the East- and West-Ashkenazi are different, they have totally different maternal lines, because the founding mothers of the different European Jewish communities were different local women.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130116195333.htm

The Ethiopian Jews do not have anything in common with Ashkenazi Jews, except that both are Homo Sapiens.

 

[Art__Allm]

Oh, BTW, thanks for admitting "Zionist Israel" IS a settler colonial project. How successful it is, is still to be determined.

Are they not "returning" to Israel after 2000 years of supposed "expulsion"?
Do they not believe that they are the only legitimate owners, because their tribal god presumably told them that Palestine forever belongs to this self-defined and self-chosen group of people?

 

[Art__Allm]

The indigenous Jews of Palestine along with the Christians

How many indigenous Jews lived at this period in Palestine, and how many of the descendants of these Jews later accepted the Zionist idea of a "Jewish State"?

I guess that there was less than 1% of Jews among the Palestinians before the Turkish Conquest, and that non of the descendants of these Jews supported the idea of crazy Europeans, who called themselves "Zionists", to create a "Jewish State" on this territory, and ethnically cleanse this territory from the native population.

 

[montelatici]

The European Zionists, Europeans in every respect, "returning" to a place in the Middle East is akin to Europeans returning to Africa because. Lucy an ancient predecessor hominid, was born there.

 

[Hollie]

The European Zionists, Europeans in every respect, "returning" to a place in the Middle East is akin to Europeans returning to Africa because. Lucy an ancient predecessor hominid, was born there.

Although, as we know, there was no invasion by Europeans. There was however, an invasion and colonial project by the Ottomon Turks and later by Arab-Moslem beggars and squatters from Egypt, Jordan and Syria.

 

[montelatici]

1. There was no colonial settler project undertaken by the Ottomans. Furthermore, you aren't even able to articulate who the Ottomans invaded in Palestine.

2. The only migration and invasion of Palestine of the last 200 years was that of the European Zionists as confirmed in Resolution A-364:

You consistently make things up and lie. When you provide a source it is a Hasbara Zionist propaganda source. You have no credibility.

"b)IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years (there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and 1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931 and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths.

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/07175DE9FA2DE563852568D3006E10F3