The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[theliq]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've seen this challenge before; and like then --- I don't believe it makes any significant contribution to the discussion...

P F Tinmore said: ↑
RoccoR said: ↑
P F Tinmore, et al,

Before I answer your questions, let's make sure we all understand the substantive facts of the questions:

First Sentence of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights said:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and
peace in the world,

Vienna Declaration and Programme of Action Adopted by the World Conference on Human Rights in Vienna on 25 June 1993 said:
2. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status, and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Taking into account the particular situation of peoples under colonial or other forms of alien domination or foreign occupation, the World Conference on Human Rights recognizes the right of peoples to take any legitimate action, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, to realize their inalienable right of self-determination. The World Conference on Human Rights considers the denial of the right of self-determination as a violation of human rights and underlines the importance of the effective realization of this right.
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10. The World Conference on Human Rights reaffirms the right to development, as established in the Declaration on the Right to Development, as a universal
and inalienable right and an integral part of fundamental human rights.

As stated in the Declaration on the Right to Development, the human person is the central subject of development. While development facilitates the enjoyment of all human rights, the lack of development may not be invoked to justify the abridgement of internationally recognized human rights.

States should cooperate with each other in ensuring development and eliminating obstacles to development. The international community should promote an
effective international cooperation for the realization of the right to development and the elimination of obstacles to development. Lasting progress towards the implementation of the right to development requires effective development policies at the national level, as well as equitable economic relations and a favourable economic environment at the international level.
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P F Tinmore said: ↑
What part of all this negates the Palestinian's universal, inalienable rights?

What is the dispute over Palestine's international borders that were defined by post war treaties?
(COMMENT)

First, as I have pointed-out before, all people have the exact same Universal and Inalienable Rights (Hypothetical Description of Conditions NOT in Evidence: All people have the same dimension of rights everywhere; --- however, the Rights in North America are different that the Middle East or the Far East) .

Second, "the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960)." According to the UN Committee 24, there are no (None - NADA) such entities in the Middle East.

Third, the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) have exercised their "rights to Self-determination" many more times than have the Jewish People.

Fourth, the Jewish Immigrants became permanent residents and gains citizenship within the meaning of the laws enforce at the time. And those same Jewish Immigrants, by virtue of that citizenship (the same citizenship held by the HoAP) became equal inhabitants of the territory.

Fifth, the Jewish Inhabitants had the exact same "rights" as the HoAP inhabitants.

Sixth, the HoAP did not cooperate of by 1923, the Mandatory had made at least three attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis. These rejections by their Right of Self-Determination had a grave impact on the tutelage provided by Mandatory on behalf of the League. Thus not rendering meaning to Article 22(2) of the Covenant.

Finally, the contributing factor for the more that half-century in a lack of progress in the "Right to Development" expected by the Vienna Convention has lead to a taken the HoAP people backwards. The Jewish cooperation in tutelage (not the only contributing factor, but certainly one major factor) has lead to Israel being ranked 18th today in Human Development, outstripping in some of the most oil rich nations of the world, and ranking higher every than any of the Arab League Aggressor Nations and Arab Participants in the 1948 War of Independence, the 1967 Six Day War, and the 1973 Yom Kipper War.

No matter what objective yardstick you might use in the evaluation of the two peoples (Israelis 'vs' Palestinians) there is no open view where the investors in Israel did not receive many more times the value in their return-on-investment (ROI) than did the investors in any of the Arab Nations. In fact, the HoAP demonstrated their appreciation to the Jordanians in the Black September Movement of 1970. And the Government of Yemen is a failed state. Hezbollah has taken-over the al-Bekka Valley in Lebanon. Syria is a complete shambles.

Most Respectfully,
R
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The Universal Declaration of Human Rights uses the term "peoples." You use the term "people." Those have different meanings. Why did you do that?
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(COMMENT)

Actually, the International Bill of Human Rights (Part "A" being the UDHR) uses the term "members of the human family") (as published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights) in the very first paragraph of the Preamble.

Notice in the in the very next paragraph, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights uses the phrase: human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people" --- as opposed to "peoples."

Corroborating Source: A/RES/3/217 A

This argument is subterfuge. The difference between "Peoples and People;" --- trying to push the true nature of the subject away from the forefront. If you are going to make a point along this line, then make it. Don't hold us in suspense.
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When they talk about people they mean everyone in general without distinction. Like in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

When they talk about peoples, they are referring to different groups of people defined by different territories. There are rights applied to peoples that do not apply to people.

all and good.But your law does`nt to me,therefore it`s worthless.I answer to law the law of the land,then i answer to Morocco,1787 Peace And Friendship Treaty.Jew-ish is not a people,first thing,Secondly they are occupier of Israel like stolen it.they are not liked, or Loved any where on the planet.

well they are but their behaviour at times is incendury,which causes some folk to dislike them,despise them and history shows hate them,which is a very dangerous formula for the future,Israelis inparticular the Government and Zionists need to pull their head in and act like a citizen of the world,instead of being isolationist which they seem to like for some ungodly reason.
Maybe they continue the Anti-Semitic card for Sympathy but the world has seen past this obvious Ruse and are not impressed how they Totally Repress the Palestinians and WORSE.

No the Real Jews are fine ...the major problem are all these peudo Zionists from places unknown, who until 1948 had NO HISTORY.....WHATSOEVER.

Incidentally Palestinians are A SEMITIC PEOPLE,which makes the Zionists the WORST ANTI-SEMITES IN HISTORY......steven

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've seen this challenge before; and like then --- I don't believe it makes any significant contribution to the discussion...

P F Tinmore said: ↑
RoccoR said: ↑
P F Tinmore, et al,

Before I answer your questions, let's make sure we all understand the substantive facts of the questions:

First Sentence of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights said:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and
peace in the world,

Vienna Declaration and Programme of Action Adopted by the World Conference on Human Rights in Vienna on 25 June 1993 said:
2. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status, and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Taking into account the particular situation of peoples under colonial or other forms of alien domination or foreign occupation, the World Conference on Human Rights recognizes the right of peoples to take any legitimate action, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, to realize their inalienable right of self-determination. The World Conference on Human Rights considers the denial of the right of self-determination as a violation of human rights and underlines the importance of the effective realization of this right.
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10. The World Conference on Human Rights reaffirms the right to development, as established in the Declaration on the Right to Development, as a universal
and inalienable right and an integral part of fundamental human rights.

As stated in the Declaration on the Right to Development, the human person is the central subject of development. While development facilitates the enjoyment of all human rights, the lack of development may not be invoked to justify the abridgement of internationally recognized human rights.

States should cooperate with each other in ensuring development and eliminating obstacles to development. The international community should promote an
effective international cooperation for the realization of the right to development and the elimination of obstacles to development. Lasting progress towards the implementation of the right to development requires effective development policies at the national level, as well as equitable economic relations and a favourable economic environment at the international level.
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P F Tinmore said: ↑
What part of all this negates the Palestinian's universal, inalienable rights?

What is the dispute over Palestine's international borders that were defined by post war treaties?
(COMMENT)

First, as I have pointed-out before, all people have the exact same Universal and Inalienable Rights (Hypothetical Description of Conditions NOT in Evidence: All people have the same dimension of rights everywhere; --- however, the Rights in North America are different that the Middle East or the Far East) .

Second, "the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960)." According to the UN Committee 24, there are no (None - NADA) such entities in the Middle East.

Third, the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) have exercised their "rights to Self-determination" many more times than have the Jewish People.

Fourth, the Jewish Immigrants became permanent residents and gains citizenship within the meaning of the laws enforce at the time. And those same Jewish Immigrants, by virtue of that citizenship (the same citizenship held by the HoAP) became equal inhabitants of the territory.

Fifth, the Jewish Inhabitants had the exact same "rights" as the HoAP inhabitants.

Sixth, the HoAP did not cooperate of by 1923, the Mandatory had made at least three attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis. These rejections by their Right of Self-Determination had a grave impact on the tutelage provided by Mandatory on behalf of the League. Thus not rendering meaning to Article 22(2) of the Covenant.

Finally, the contributing factor for the more that half-century in a lack of progress in the "Right to Development" expected by the Vienna Convention has lead to a taken the HoAP people backwards. The Jewish cooperation in tutelage (not the only contributing factor, but certainly one major factor) has lead to Israel being ranked 18th today in Human Development, outstripping in some of the most oil rich nations of the world, and ranking higher every than any of the Arab League Aggressor Nations and Arab Participants in the 1948 War of Independence, the 1967 Six Day War, and the 1973 Yom Kipper War.

No matter what objective yardstick you might use in the evaluation of the two peoples (Israelis 'vs' Palestinians) there is no open view where the investors in Israel did not receive many more times the value in their return-on-investment (ROI) than did the investors in any of the Arab Nations. In fact, the HoAP demonstrated their appreciation to the Jordanians in the Black September Movement of 1970. And the Government of Yemen is a failed state. Hezbollah has taken-over the al-Bekka Valley in Lebanon. Syria is a complete shambles.

Most Respectfully,
R
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The Universal Declaration of Human Rights uses the term "peoples." You use the term "people." Those have different meanings. Why did you do that?
Click to expand...
(COMMENT)

Actually, the International Bill of Human Rights (Part "A" being the UDHR) uses the term "members of the human family") (as published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights) in the very first paragraph of the Preamble.

Notice in the in the very next paragraph, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights uses the phrase: human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people" --- as opposed to "peoples."

Corroborating Source: A/RES/3/217 A

This argument is subterfuge. The difference between "Peoples and People;" --- trying to push the true nature of the subject away from the forefront. If you are going to make a point along this line, then make it. Don't hold us in suspense.
-------------------------
When they talk about people they mean everyone in general without distinction. Like in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

When they talk about peoples, they are referring to different groups of people defined by different territories. There are rights applied to peoples that do not apply to people.

all and good.But your law does`nt to me,therefore it`s worthless.I answer to law the law of the land,then i answer to Morocco,1787 Peace And Friendship Treaty.Jew-ish is not a people,first thing,Secondly they are occupier of Israel like stolen it.they are not liked, or Loved any where on the planet.

And I dont recognise you or anything you say because you are a complete RACIST MORON

 

[Phoenall]

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And what the land is, whether it is fat or lean, whether there is wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land.’ Now the time was the time of the first-ripe grapes.
Numbers 13:20 (The Israel Bible™)

וּמָה הָאָרֶץ הַשְּׁמֵנָה הִוא אִם רָזָה הֲיֵשׁ בָּהּ עֵץ אִם אַיִן וְהִתְחַזַּקְתֶּם וּלְקַחְתֶּם מִפְּרִי הָאָרֶץ וְהַיָּמִים יְמֵי בִּכּוּרֵי עֲנָבִים
במדבר יג:כ

u-ma ha-a-retz hash-may-na he im ra-za ha-yash ba aytz im a-yeen v'-hit-kha-zak-tem ul-kakh-tem mip-ree ha-a-retz v'-ha-ya-meem y'-may bi-ku-ray a-na-veem
Jerusalem Inspiration
Today's verse describes the details of the spying mission sent into the Holy Land from the desert. Did you know that most of the information meant to be gathered was completely agricultural? The richness of the land and the multitude of trees, were a sure sign of blessing meant to encourage the spies. By looking at those same qualities in modern Israel, we feel supremely blessed by the growing, blooming, rich fertile soil of Israel.

It was the same under the Palestinians BUT Zionist Trash made out NO ONE LIVED THERE....what a joke

And you have a link to prove your claim, and why do you constantly bring up the same off topic subject every time you are faced with the truth and reality ?

 

[Phoenall]

​

And what the land is, whether it is fat or lean, whether there is wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land.’ Now the time was the time of the first-ripe grapes.
Numbers 13:20 (The Israel Bible™)

וּמָה הָאָרֶץ הַשְּׁמֵנָה הִוא אִם רָזָה הֲיֵשׁ בָּהּ עֵץ אִם אַיִן וְהִתְחַזַּקְתֶּם וּלְקַחְתֶּם מִפְּרִי הָאָרֶץ וְהַיָּמִים יְמֵי בִּכּוּרֵי עֲנָבִים
במדבר יג:כ

u-ma ha-a-retz hash-may-na he im ra-za ha-yash ba aytz im a-yeen v'-hit-kha-zak-tem ul-kakh-tem mip-ree ha-a-retz v'-ha-ya-meem y'-may bi-ku-ray a-na-veem
Jerusalem Inspiration
Today's verse describes the details of the spying mission sent into the Holy Land from the desert. Did you know that most of the information meant to be gathered was completely agricultural? The richness of the land and the multitude of trees, were a sure sign of blessing meant to encourage the spies. By looking at those same qualities in modern Israel, we feel supremely blessed by the growing, blooming, rich fertile soil of Israel.

Hi Hoss,Like your Pro Zionist stance,who are not Original Jews but a polyglot of other peoples(A VERSION),so too is your above vid by Boney M (A VERSION)
Herewith is the ORIGINAL circa 1969 by the Melodians....Rivers of Babylon is actually PSALM 137 verse 1......Enjoy Hossy



I would also like to share with you friend a Reggae rendition of PSALM 23 which I feel suits you very well indeed....You Are A Good Man Hoss




And to round off this Biblical Trilogy .....The 1965 Original of River Jordan,by The Basses with the Soul Vendors(Lynn Taitt and the Jets)


Steve

AGAIN OFF TOPIC DEFLECTION AND DERAILMENT

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've seen this challenge before; and like then --- I don't believe it makes any significant contribution to the discussion...

P F Tinmore said: ↑
RoccoR said: ↑
P F Tinmore, et al,

Before I answer your questions, let's make sure we all understand the substantive facts of the questions:

First Sentence of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights said:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and
peace in the world,

Vienna Declaration and Programme of Action Adopted by the World Conference on Human Rights in Vienna on 25 June 1993 said:
2. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status, and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Taking into account the particular situation of peoples under colonial or other forms of alien domination or foreign occupation, the World Conference on Human Rights recognizes the right of peoples to take any legitimate action, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, to realize their inalienable right of self-determination. The World Conference on Human Rights considers the denial of the right of self-determination as a violation of human rights and underlines the importance of the effective realization of this right.
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10. The World Conference on Human Rights reaffirms the right to development, as established in the Declaration on the Right to Development, as a universal
and inalienable right and an integral part of fundamental human rights.

As stated in the Declaration on the Right to Development, the human person is the central subject of development. While development facilitates the enjoyment of all human rights, the lack of development may not be invoked to justify the abridgement of internationally recognized human rights.

States should cooperate with each other in ensuring development and eliminating obstacles to development. The international community should promote an
effective international cooperation for the realization of the right to development and the elimination of obstacles to development. Lasting progress towards the implementation of the right to development requires effective development policies at the national level, as well as equitable economic relations and a favourable economic environment at the international level.
Click to expand...

P F Tinmore said: ↑
What part of all this negates the Palestinian's universal, inalienable rights?

What is the dispute over Palestine's international borders that were defined by post war treaties?
(COMMENT)

First, as I have pointed-out before, all people have the exact same Universal and Inalienable Rights (Hypothetical Description of Conditions NOT in Evidence: All people have the same dimension of rights everywhere; --- however, the Rights in North America are different that the Middle East or the Far East) .

Second, "the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960)." According to the UN Committee 24, there are no (None - NADA) such entities in the Middle East.

Third, the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) have exercised their "rights to Self-determination" many more times than have the Jewish People.

Fourth, the Jewish Immigrants became permanent residents and gains citizenship within the meaning of the laws enforce at the time. And those same Jewish Immigrants, by virtue of that citizenship (the same citizenship held by the HoAP) became equal inhabitants of the territory.

Fifth, the Jewish Inhabitants had the exact same "rights" as the HoAP inhabitants.

Sixth, the HoAP did not cooperate of by 1923, the Mandatory had made at least three attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis. These rejections by their Right of Self-Determination had a grave impact on the tutelage provided by Mandatory on behalf of the League. Thus not rendering meaning to Article 22(2) of the Covenant.

Finally, the contributing factor for the more that half-century in a lack of progress in the "Right to Development" expected by the Vienna Convention has lead to a taken the HoAP people backwards. The Jewish cooperation in tutelage (not the only contributing factor, but certainly one major factor) has lead to Israel being ranked 18th today in Human Development, outstripping in some of the most oil rich nations of the world, and ranking higher every than any of the Arab League Aggressor Nations and Arab Participants in the 1948 War of Independence, the 1967 Six Day War, and the 1973 Yom Kipper War.

No matter what objective yardstick you might use in the evaluation of the two peoples (Israelis 'vs' Palestinians) there is no open view where the investors in Israel did not receive many more times the value in their return-on-investment (ROI) than did the investors in any of the Arab Nations. In fact, the HoAP demonstrated their appreciation to the Jordanians in the Black September Movement of 1970. And the Government of Yemen is a failed state. Hezbollah has taken-over the al-Bekka Valley in Lebanon. Syria is a complete shambles.

Most Respectfully,
R
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The Universal Declaration of Human Rights uses the term "peoples." You use the term "people." Those have different meanings. Why did you do that?
Click to expand...
(COMMENT)

Actually, the International Bill of Human Rights (Part "A" being the UDHR) uses the term "members of the human family") (as published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights) in the very first paragraph of the Preamble.

Notice in the in the very next paragraph, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights uses the phrase: human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people" --- as opposed to "peoples."

Corroborating Source: A/RES/3/217 A

This argument is subterfuge. The difference between "Peoples and People;" --- trying to push the true nature of the subject away from the forefront. If you are going to make a point along this line, then make it. Don't hold us in suspense.
-------------------------
When they talk about people they mean everyone in general without distinction. Like in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

When they talk about peoples, they are referring to different groups of people defined by different territories. There are rights applied to peoples that do not apply to people.

all and good.But your law does`nt to me,therefore it`s worthless.I answer to law the law of the land,then i answer to Morocco,1787 Peace And Friendship Treaty.Jew-ish is not a people,first thing,Secondly they are occupier of Israel like stolen it.they are not liked, or Loved any where on the planet.

well they are but their behaviour at times is incendury,which causes some folk to dislike them,despise them and history shows hate them,which is a very dangerous formula for the future,Israelis inparticular the Government and Zionists need to pull their head in and act like a citizen of the world,instead of being isolationist which they seem to like for some ungodly reason.
Maybe they continue the Anti-Semitic card for Sympathy but the world has seen past this obvious Ruse and are not impressed how they Totally Repress the Palestinians and WORSE.

No the Real Jews are fine ...the major problem are all these peudo Zionists from places unknown, who until 1948 had NO HISTORY.....WHATSOEVER.

Incidentally Palestinians are A SEMITIC PEOPLE,which makes the Zionists the WORST ANTI-SEMITES IN HISTORY......steven

Who are these real Jews you keep bringing up as to the world at large the Jews that have a 93% DNA match to the original inhabitants are the real Jews. And these happen to be European Jews, American Jews and Middle Eastern Jews. And the worst part is the arab muslims have no DNA match to these Jews other than that found in the rest of humanity.

ONCE AGAIN YOU REPEAT THE TERMS USED ON THE WHITE SUPREMACIST, ISLAMONAZI AND NAZI SITES WORD FOR WORD. THE TERM ANTI SEMITE REFERS TO A DISTINCT ANTI JEW RACISM PROMOTED BY THE NAZI'S OF GERMANY, AND CARRIED ON BY MODERN DAY NAZI'S WHO HIDE BEHIND SEMANTICS.

YOU ARE CAUGHT OUT AGAIN BEING A NAZI POS SCUM

 

[theliq]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've seen this challenge before; and like then --- I don't believe it makes any significant contribution to the discussion...

P F Tinmore said: ↑
RoccoR said: ↑
P F Tinmore, et al,

Before I answer your questions, let's make sure we all understand the substantive facts of the questions:

First Sentence of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights said:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and
peace in the world,

Vienna Declaration and Programme of Action Adopted by the World Conference on Human Rights in Vienna on 25 June 1993 said:
2. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status, and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Taking into account the particular situation of peoples under colonial or other forms of alien domination or foreign occupation, the World Conference on Human Rights recognizes the right of peoples to take any legitimate action, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, to realize their inalienable right of self-determination. The World Conference on Human Rights considers the denial of the right of self-determination as a violation of human rights and underlines the importance of the effective realization of this right.
Click to expand...
10. The World Conference on Human Rights reaffirms the right to development, as established in the Declaration on the Right to Development, as a universal
and inalienable right and an integral part of fundamental human rights.

As stated in the Declaration on the Right to Development, the human person is the central subject of development. While development facilitates the enjoyment of all human rights, the lack of development may not be invoked to justify the abridgement of internationally recognized human rights.

States should cooperate with each other in ensuring development and eliminating obstacles to development. The international community should promote an
effective international cooperation for the realization of the right to development and the elimination of obstacles to development. Lasting progress towards the implementation of the right to development requires effective development policies at the national level, as well as equitable economic relations and a favourable economic environment at the international level.
Click to expand...

P F Tinmore said: ↑
What part of all this negates the Palestinian's universal, inalienable rights?

What is the dispute over Palestine's international borders that were defined by post war treaties?
(COMMENT)

First, as I have pointed-out before, all people have the exact same Universal and Inalienable Rights (Hypothetical Description of Conditions NOT in Evidence: All people have the same dimension of rights everywhere; --- however, the Rights in North America are different that the Middle East or the Far East) .

Second, "the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960)." According to the UN Committee 24, there are no (None - NADA) such entities in the Middle East.

Third, the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) have exercised their "rights to Self-determination" many more times than have the Jewish People.

Fourth, the Jewish Immigrants became permanent residents and gains citizenship within the meaning of the laws enforce at the time. And those same Jewish Immigrants, by virtue of that citizenship (the same citizenship held by the HoAP) became equal inhabitants of the territory.

Fifth, the Jewish Inhabitants had the exact same "rights" as the HoAP inhabitants.

Sixth, the HoAP did not cooperate of by 1923, the Mandatory had made at least three attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis. These rejections by their Right of Self-Determination had a grave impact on the tutelage provided by Mandatory on behalf of the League. Thus not rendering meaning to Article 22(2) of the Covenant.

Finally, the contributing factor for the more that half-century in a lack of progress in the "Right to Development" expected by the Vienna Convention has lead to a taken the HoAP people backwards. The Jewish cooperation in tutelage (not the only contributing factor, but certainly one major factor) has lead to Israel being ranked 18th today in Human Development, outstripping in some of the most oil rich nations of the world, and ranking higher every than any of the Arab League Aggressor Nations and Arab Participants in the 1948 War of Independence, the 1967 Six Day War, and the 1973 Yom Kipper War.

No matter what objective yardstick you might use in the evaluation of the two peoples (Israelis 'vs' Palestinians) there is no open view where the investors in Israel did not receive many more times the value in their return-on-investment (ROI) than did the investors in any of the Arab Nations. In fact, the HoAP demonstrated their appreciation to the Jordanians in the Black September Movement of 1970. And the Government of Yemen is a failed state. Hezbollah has taken-over the al-Bekka Valley in Lebanon. Syria is a complete shambles.

Most Respectfully,
R
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The Universal Declaration of Human Rights uses the term "peoples." You use the term "people." Those have different meanings. Why did you do that?
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(COMMENT)

Actually, the International Bill of Human Rights (Part "A" being the UDHR) uses the term "members of the human family") (as published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights) in the very first paragraph of the Preamble.

Notice in the in the very next paragraph, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights uses the phrase: human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people" --- as opposed to "peoples."

Corroborating Source: A/RES/3/217 A

This argument is subterfuge. The difference between "Peoples and People;" --- trying to push the true nature of the subject away from the forefront. If you are going to make a point along this line, then make it. Don't hold us in suspense.
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When they talk about people they mean everyone in general without distinction. Like in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

When they talk about peoples, they are referring to different groups of people defined by different territories. There are rights applied to peoples that do not apply to people.

all and good.But your law does`nt to me,therefore it`s worthless.I answer to law the law of the land,then i answer to Morocco,1787 Peace And Friendship Treaty.Jew-ish is not a people,first thing,Secondly they are occupier of Israel like stolen it.they are not liked, or Loved any where on the planet.

well they are but their behaviour at times is incendury,which causes some folk to dislike them,despise them and history shows hate them,which is a very dangerous formula for the future,Israelis inparticular the Government and Zionists need to pull their head in and act like a citizen of the world,instead of being isolationist which they seem to like for some ungodly reason.
Maybe they continue the Anti-Semitic card for Sympathy but the world has seen past this obvious Ruse and are not impressed how they Totally Repress the Palestinians and WORSE.

No the Real Jews are fine ...the major problem are all these peudo Zionists from places unknown, who until 1948 had NO HISTORY.....WHATSOEVER.

Incidentally Palestinians are A SEMITIC PEOPLE,which makes the Zionists the WORST ANTI-SEMITES IN HISTORY......steven

Who are these real Jews you keep bringing up as to the world at large the Jews that have a 93% DNA match to the original inhabitants are the real Jews. And these happen to be European Jews, American Jews and Middle Eastern Jews. And the worst part is the arab muslims have no DNA match to these Jews other than that found in the rest of humanity.

ONCE AGAIN YOU REPEAT THE TERMS USED ON THE WHITE SUPREMACIST, ISLAMONAZI AND NAZI SITES WORD FOR WORD. THE TERM ANTI SEMITE REFERS TO A DISTINCT ANTI JEW RACISM PROMOTED BY THE NAZI'S OF GERMANY, AND CARRIED ON BY MODERN DAY NAZI'S WHO HIDE BEHIND SEMANTICS.

YOU ARE CAUGHT OUT AGAIN BEING A NAZI POS SCUM

That's no answer,considering WE ALL HAVE ABOUT 95% of an Apes DNA......Look Pheo,you posts thesedays are becoming more desperate by the hour....I know why...because the Greatliq has EXPOSED YOUR INFANTILE RAVING RANTINGS for what the are......a CROCK OF BULLSHIT.You have become what I told you A COMPLETE BORE and a COMPULSIVE LIAR with it.

Australians never collaborated with the NAZIS but YOU ZIONIST FILTH DID......FACT.

 

[theliq]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've seen this challenge before; and like then --- I don't believe it makes any significant contribution to the discussion...

P F Tinmore said: ↑
RoccoR said: ↑
P F Tinmore, et al,

Before I answer your questions, let's make sure we all understand the substantive facts of the questions:

First Sentence of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights said:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and
peace in the world,

Vienna Declaration and Programme of Action Adopted by the World Conference on Human Rights in Vienna on 25 June 1993 said:
2. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status, and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Taking into account the particular situation of peoples under colonial or other forms of alien domination or foreign occupation, the World Conference on Human Rights recognizes the right of peoples to take any legitimate action, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, to realize their inalienable right of self-determination. The World Conference on Human Rights considers the denial of the right of self-determination as a violation of human rights and underlines the importance of the effective realization of this right.
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10. The World Conference on Human Rights reaffirms the right to development, as established in the Declaration on the Right to Development, as a universal
and inalienable right and an integral part of fundamental human rights.

As stated in the Declaration on the Right to Development, the human person is the central subject of development. While development facilitates the enjoyment of all human rights, the lack of development may not be invoked to justify the abridgement of internationally recognized human rights.

States should cooperate with each other in ensuring development and eliminating obstacles to development. The international community should promote an
effective international cooperation for the realization of the right to development and the elimination of obstacles to development. Lasting progress towards the implementation of the right to development requires effective development policies at the national level, as well as equitable economic relations and a favourable economic environment at the international level.
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P F Tinmore said: ↑
What part of all this negates the Palestinian's universal, inalienable rights?

What is the dispute over Palestine's international borders that were defined by post war treaties?
(COMMENT)

First, as I have pointed-out before, all people have the exact same Universal and Inalienable Rights (Hypothetical Description of Conditions NOT in Evidence: All people have the same dimension of rights everywhere; --- however, the Rights in North America are different that the Middle East or the Far East) .

Second, "the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960)." According to the UN Committee 24, there are no (None - NADA) such entities in the Middle East.

Third, the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) have exercised their "rights to Self-determination" many more times than have the Jewish People.

Fourth, the Jewish Immigrants became permanent residents and gains citizenship within the meaning of the laws enforce at the time. And those same Jewish Immigrants, by virtue of that citizenship (the same citizenship held by the HoAP) became equal inhabitants of the territory.

Fifth, the Jewish Inhabitants had the exact same "rights" as the HoAP inhabitants.

Sixth, the HoAP did not cooperate of by 1923, the Mandatory had made at least three attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis. These rejections by their Right of Self-Determination had a grave impact on the tutelage provided by Mandatory on behalf of the League. Thus not rendering meaning to Article 22(2) of the Covenant.

Finally, the contributing factor for the more that half-century in a lack of progress in the "Right to Development" expected by the Vienna Convention has lead to a taken the HoAP people backwards. The Jewish cooperation in tutelage (not the only contributing factor, but certainly one major factor) has lead to Israel being ranked 18th today in Human Development, outstripping in some of the most oil rich nations of the world, and ranking higher every than any of the Arab League Aggressor Nations and Arab Participants in the 1948 War of Independence, the 1967 Six Day War, and the 1973 Yom Kipper War.

No matter what objective yardstick you might use in the evaluation of the two peoples (Israelis 'vs' Palestinians) there is no open view where the investors in Israel did not receive many more times the value in their return-on-investment (ROI) than did the investors in any of the Arab Nations. In fact, the HoAP demonstrated their appreciation to the Jordanians in the Black September Movement of 1970. And the Government of Yemen is a failed state. Hezbollah has taken-over the al-Bekka Valley in Lebanon. Syria is a complete shambles.

Most Respectfully,
R
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The Universal Declaration of Human Rights uses the term "peoples." You use the term "people." Those have different meanings. Why did you do that?
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(COMMENT)

Actually, the International Bill of Human Rights (Part "A" being the UDHR) uses the term "members of the human family") (as published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights) in the very first paragraph of the Preamble.

Notice in the in the very next paragraph, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights uses the phrase: human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people" --- as opposed to "peoples."

Corroborating Source: A/RES/3/217 A

This argument is subterfuge. The difference between "Peoples and People;" --- trying to push the true nature of the subject away from the forefront. If you are going to make a point along this line, then make it. Don't hold us in suspense.
-------------------------
When they talk about people they mean everyone in general without distinction. Like in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

When they talk about peoples, they are referring to different groups of people defined by different territories. There are rights applied to peoples that do not apply to people.

all and good.But your law does`nt to me,therefore it`s worthless.I answer to law the law of the land,then i answer to Morocco,1787 Peace And Friendship Treaty.Jew-ish is not a people,first thing,Secondly they are occupier of Israel like stolen it.they are not liked, or Loved any where on the planet.

And I dont recognise you or anything you say because you are a complete RACIST MORON

Not Racist at all......just despise Zionists like you

 

[theliq]

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And what the land is, whether it is fat or lean, whether there is wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land.’ Now the time was the time of the first-ripe grapes.
Numbers 13:20 (The Israel Bible™)

וּמָה הָאָרֶץ הַשְּׁמֵנָה הִוא אִם רָזָה הֲיֵשׁ בָּהּ עֵץ אִם אַיִן וְהִתְחַזַּקְתֶּם וּלְקַחְתֶּם מִפְּרִי הָאָרֶץ וְהַיָּמִים יְמֵי בִּכּוּרֵי עֲנָבִים
במדבר יג:כ

u-ma ha-a-retz hash-may-na he im ra-za ha-yash ba aytz im a-yeen v'-hit-kha-zak-tem ul-kakh-tem mip-ree ha-a-retz v'-ha-ya-meem y'-may bi-ku-ray a-na-veem
Jerusalem Inspiration
Today's verse describes the details of the spying mission sent into the Holy Land from the desert. Did you know that most of the information meant to be gathered was completely agricultural? The richness of the land and the multitude of trees, were a sure sign of blessing meant to encourage the spies. By looking at those same qualities in modern Israel, we feel supremely blessed by the growing, blooming, rich fertile soil of Israel.

Hi Hoss,Like your Pro Zionist stance,who are not Original Jews but a polyglot of other peoples(A VERSION),so too is your above vid by Boney M (A VERSION)
Herewith is the ORIGINAL circa 1969 by the Melodians....Rivers of Babylon is actually PSALM 137 verse 1......Enjoy Hossy



I would also like to share with you friend a Reggae rendition of PSALM 23 which I feel suits you very well indeed....You Are A Good Man Hoss




And to round off this Biblical Trilogy .....The 1965 Original of River Jordan,by The Basses with the Soul Vendors(Lynn Taitt and the Jets)


Steve

AGAIN OFF TOPIC DEFLECTION AND DERAILMENT

Not at all just sharing beautiful Bible inspired Music..........what you loath is that I get on openly with Hoss and although on differing sides at time,I respect him..........I love a lot of folk because they inspire,......everything you are NOT,I'm sorry to say......You are always rude and slandering towards Penny,Tinnie and all the Greats on here.......but they are nice.....me I expose you for the RAMPANT IDIOT YOU ARE

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've seen this challenge before; and like then --- I don't believe it makes any significant contribution to the discussion...

P F Tinmore said: ↑
RoccoR said: ↑
P F Tinmore, et al,

Before I answer your questions, let's make sure we all understand the substantive facts of the questions:

First Sentence of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights said:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and
peace in the world,

Vienna Declaration and Programme of Action Adopted by the World Conference on Human Rights in Vienna on 25 June 1993 said:
2. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status, and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Taking into account the particular situation of peoples under colonial or other forms of alien domination or foreign occupation, the World Conference on Human Rights recognizes the right of peoples to take any legitimate action, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, to realize their inalienable right of self-determination. The World Conference on Human Rights considers the denial of the right of self-determination as a violation of human rights and underlines the importance of the effective realization of this right.
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10. The World Conference on Human Rights reaffirms the right to development, as established in the Declaration on the Right to Development, as a universal
and inalienable right and an integral part of fundamental human rights.

As stated in the Declaration on the Right to Development, the human person is the central subject of development. While development facilitates the enjoyment of all human rights, the lack of development may not be invoked to justify the abridgement of internationally recognized human rights.

States should cooperate with each other in ensuring development and eliminating obstacles to development. The international community should promote an
effective international cooperation for the realization of the right to development and the elimination of obstacles to development. Lasting progress towards the implementation of the right to development requires effective development policies at the national level, as well as equitable economic relations and a favourable economic environment at the international level.
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P F Tinmore said: ↑
What part of all this negates the Palestinian's universal, inalienable rights?

What is the dispute over Palestine's international borders that were defined by post war treaties?
(COMMENT)

First, as I have pointed-out before, all people have the exact same Universal and Inalienable Rights (Hypothetical Description of Conditions NOT in Evidence: All people have the same dimension of rights everywhere; --- however, the Rights in North America are different that the Middle East or the Far East) .

Second, "the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960)." According to the UN Committee 24, there are no (None - NADA) such entities in the Middle East.

Third, the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) have exercised their "rights to Self-determination" many more times than have the Jewish People.

Fourth, the Jewish Immigrants became permanent residents and gains citizenship within the meaning of the laws enforce at the time. And those same Jewish Immigrants, by virtue of that citizenship (the same citizenship held by the HoAP) became equal inhabitants of the territory.

Fifth, the Jewish Inhabitants had the exact same "rights" as the HoAP inhabitants.

Sixth, the HoAP did not cooperate of by 1923, the Mandatory had made at least three attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis. These rejections by their Right of Self-Determination had a grave impact on the tutelage provided by Mandatory on behalf of the League. Thus not rendering meaning to Article 22(2) of the Covenant.

Finally, the contributing factor for the more that half-century in a lack of progress in the "Right to Development" expected by the Vienna Convention has lead to a taken the HoAP people backwards. The Jewish cooperation in tutelage (not the only contributing factor, but certainly one major factor) has lead to Israel being ranked 18th today in Human Development, outstripping in some of the most oil rich nations of the world, and ranking higher every than any of the Arab League Aggressor Nations and Arab Participants in the 1948 War of Independence, the 1967 Six Day War, and the 1973 Yom Kipper War.

No matter what objective yardstick you might use in the evaluation of the two peoples (Israelis 'vs' Palestinians) there is no open view where the investors in Israel did not receive many more times the value in their return-on-investment (ROI) than did the investors in any of the Arab Nations. In fact, the HoAP demonstrated their appreciation to the Jordanians in the Black September Movement of 1970. And the Government of Yemen is a failed state. Hezbollah has taken-over the al-Bekka Valley in Lebanon. Syria is a complete shambles.

Most Respectfully,
R
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The Universal Declaration of Human Rights uses the term "peoples." You use the term "people." Those have different meanings. Why did you do that?
Click to expand...
(COMMENT)

Actually, the International Bill of Human Rights (Part "A" being the UDHR) uses the term "members of the human family") (as published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights) in the very first paragraph of the Preamble.

Notice in the in the very next paragraph, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights uses the phrase: human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people" --- as opposed to "peoples."

Corroborating Source: A/RES/3/217 A

This argument is subterfuge. The difference between "Peoples and People;" --- trying to push the true nature of the subject away from the forefront. If you are going to make a point along this line, then make it. Don't hold us in suspense.
-------------------------
When they talk about people they mean everyone in general without distinction. Like in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

When they talk about peoples, they are referring to different groups of people defined by different territories. There are rights applied to peoples that do not apply to people.

all and good.But your law does`nt to me,therefore it`s worthless.I answer to law the law of the land,then i answer to Morocco,1787 Peace And Friendship Treaty.Jew-ish is not a people,first thing,Secondly they are occupier of Israel like stolen it.they are not liked, or Loved any where on the planet.

well they are but their behaviour at times is incendury,which causes some folk to dislike them,despise them and history shows hate them,which is a very dangerous formula for the future,Israelis inparticular the Government and Zionists need to pull their head in and act like a citizen of the world,instead of being isolationist which they seem to like for some ungodly reason.
Maybe they continue the Anti-Semitic card for Sympathy but the world has seen past this obvious Ruse and are not impressed how they Totally Repress the Palestinians and WORSE.

No the Real Jews are fine ...the major problem are all these peudo Zionists from places unknown, who until 1948 had NO HISTORY.....WHATSOEVER.

Incidentally Palestinians are A SEMITIC PEOPLE,which makes the Zionists the WORST ANTI-SEMITES IN HISTORY......steven

Who are these real Jews you keep bringing up as to the world at large the Jews that have a 93% DNA match to the original inhabitants are the real Jews. And these happen to be European Jews, American Jews and Middle Eastern Jews. And the worst part is the arab muslims have no DNA match to these Jews other than that found in the rest of humanity.

ONCE AGAIN YOU REPEAT THE TERMS USED ON THE WHITE SUPREMACIST, ISLAMONAZI AND NAZI SITES WORD FOR WORD. THE TERM ANTI SEMITE REFERS TO A DISTINCT ANTI JEW RACISM PROMOTED BY THE NAZI'S OF GERMANY, AND CARRIED ON BY MODERN DAY NAZI'S WHO HIDE BEHIND SEMANTICS.

YOU ARE CAUGHT OUT AGAIN BEING A NAZI POS SCUM

That's no answer,considering WE ALL HAVE ABOUT 95% of an Apes DNA......Look Pheo,you posts thesedays are becoming more desperate by the hour....I know why...because the Greatliq has EXPOSED YOUR INFANTILE RAVING RANTINGS for what the are......a CROCK OF BULLSHIT.You have become what I told you A COMPLETE BORE and a COMPULSIVE LIAR with it.

Australians never collaborated with the NAZIS but YOU ZIONIST FILTH DID......FACT.

Try again LIAR as we only have 87% match and an 85% match with most other animals.

It is youir LIES that are becoming more desperate as you lose at evey turn because your sources are being shown to be nazi, whitesupremacist, islamic Jew hating sites.
You are now a laughing stock and no one comes to your aid in case they get sucked into your depravity with you. You have no support and it is time to get out while you can and find another hobby.

YOU ARE BUSTED AND SHOWN TO BE DESPERATE FOR ATTENTION SO LIE CONSTANTLY, WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THIS LINK THAT CLAIMS THE JEWS MURDERED 100,000 CHILDREN AS THE ONES YOU PRODUCED DID NOT SAY ANYTHING OF THE KIND.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've seen this challenge before; and like then --- I don't believe it makes any significant contribution to the discussion...

P F Tinmore said: ↑
RoccoR said: ↑
P F Tinmore, et al,

Before I answer your questions, let's make sure we all understand the substantive facts of the questions:

First Sentence of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights said:
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and
peace in the world,

Vienna Declaration and Programme of Action Adopted by the World Conference on Human Rights in Vienna on 25 June 1993 said:
2. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status, and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Taking into account the particular situation of peoples under colonial or other forms of alien domination or foreign occupation, the World Conference on Human Rights recognizes the right of peoples to take any legitimate action, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, to realize their inalienable right of self-determination. The World Conference on Human Rights considers the denial of the right of self-determination as a violation of human rights and underlines the importance of the effective realization of this right.
Click to expand...
10. The World Conference on Human Rights reaffirms the right to development, as established in the Declaration on the Right to Development, as a universal
and inalienable right and an integral part of fundamental human rights.

As stated in the Declaration on the Right to Development, the human person is the central subject of development. While development facilitates the enjoyment of all human rights, the lack of development may not be invoked to justify the abridgement of internationally recognized human rights.

States should cooperate with each other in ensuring development and eliminating obstacles to development. The international community should promote an
effective international cooperation for the realization of the right to development and the elimination of obstacles to development. Lasting progress towards the implementation of the right to development requires effective development policies at the national level, as well as equitable economic relations and a favourable economic environment at the international level.
Click to expand...

P F Tinmore said: ↑
What part of all this negates the Palestinian's universal, inalienable rights?

What is the dispute over Palestine's international borders that were defined by post war treaties?
(COMMENT)

First, as I have pointed-out before, all people have the exact same Universal and Inalienable Rights (Hypothetical Description of Conditions NOT in Evidence: All people have the same dimension of rights everywhere; --- however, the Rights in North America are different that the Middle East or the Far East) .

Second, "the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960)." According to the UN Committee 24, there are no (None - NADA) such entities in the Middle East.

Third, the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) have exercised their "rights to Self-determination" many more times than have the Jewish People.

Fourth, the Jewish Immigrants became permanent residents and gains citizenship within the meaning of the laws enforce at the time. And those same Jewish Immigrants, by virtue of that citizenship (the same citizenship held by the HoAP) became equal inhabitants of the territory.

Fifth, the Jewish Inhabitants had the exact same "rights" as the HoAP inhabitants.

Sixth, the HoAP did not cooperate of by 1923, the Mandatory had made at least three attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis. These rejections by their Right of Self-Determination had a grave impact on the tutelage provided by Mandatory on behalf of the League. Thus not rendering meaning to Article 22(2) of the Covenant.

Finally, the contributing factor for the more that half-century in a lack of progress in the "Right to Development" expected by the Vienna Convention has lead to a taken the HoAP people backwards. The Jewish cooperation in tutelage (not the only contributing factor, but certainly one major factor) has lead to Israel being ranked 18th today in Human Development, outstripping in some of the most oil rich nations of the world, and ranking higher every than any of the Arab League Aggressor Nations and Arab Participants in the 1948 War of Independence, the 1967 Six Day War, and the 1973 Yom Kipper War.

No matter what objective yardstick you might use in the evaluation of the two peoples (Israelis 'vs' Palestinians) there is no open view where the investors in Israel did not receive many more times the value in their return-on-investment (ROI) than did the investors in any of the Arab Nations. In fact, the HoAP demonstrated their appreciation to the Jordanians in the Black September Movement of 1970. And the Government of Yemen is a failed state. Hezbollah has taken-over the al-Bekka Valley in Lebanon. Syria is a complete shambles.

Most Respectfully,
R
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The Universal Declaration of Human Rights uses the term "peoples." You use the term "people." Those have different meanings. Why did you do that?
Click to expand...
(COMMENT)

Actually, the International Bill of Human Rights (Part "A" being the UDHR) uses the term "members of the human family") (as published by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights) in the very first paragraph of the Preamble.

Notice in the in the very next paragraph, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights uses the phrase: human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people" --- as opposed to "peoples."

Corroborating Source: A/RES/3/217 A

This argument is subterfuge. The difference between "Peoples and People;" --- trying to push the true nature of the subject away from the forefront. If you are going to make a point along this line, then make it. Don't hold us in suspense.
-------------------------
When they talk about people they mean everyone in general without distinction. Like in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

When they talk about peoples, they are referring to different groups of people defined by different territories. There are rights applied to peoples that do not apply to people.

all and good.But your law does`nt to me,therefore it`s worthless.I answer to law the law of the land,then i answer to Morocco,1787 Peace And Friendship Treaty.Jew-ish is not a people,first thing,Secondly they are occupier of Israel like stolen it.they are not liked, or Loved any where on the planet.

And I dont recognise you or anything you say because you are a complete RACIST MORON

Not Racist at all......just despise Zionists like you

NO THAT IS YOUR SHIELD THAT YOU HIDE BEHIND, THE REALITY IS YOU ARE A RACIST POS NAZI SCUM THAT HAS NO RIGHT TO BE ALLOWED TO MINGLE WITH DECENT PEOPLE. TO YOU ALL JEWS ARE ZIONISTS AS THAT IS WHAT YOUR HANDLER HAS TOLD YOU IS THE WAY TO NOT FALL FOUL OF RACE LAWS, HE WAS WRONG AND YOU ARE HEADING FOR A BIG FALL.

 

[Phoenall]

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And what the land is, whether it is fat or lean, whether there is wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land.’ Now the time was the time of the first-ripe grapes.
Numbers 13:20 (The Israel Bible™)

וּמָה הָאָרֶץ הַשְּׁמֵנָה הִוא אִם רָזָה הֲיֵשׁ בָּהּ עֵץ אִם אַיִן וְהִתְחַזַּקְתֶּם וּלְקַחְתֶּם מִפְּרִי הָאָרֶץ וְהַיָּמִים יְמֵי בִּכּוּרֵי עֲנָבִים
במדבר יג:כ

u-ma ha-a-retz hash-may-na he im ra-za ha-yash ba aytz im a-yeen v'-hit-kha-zak-tem ul-kakh-tem mip-ree ha-a-retz v'-ha-ya-meem y'-may bi-ku-ray a-na-veem
Jerusalem Inspiration
Today's verse describes the details of the spying mission sent into the Holy Land from the desert. Did you know that most of the information meant to be gathered was completely agricultural? The richness of the land and the multitude of trees, were a sure sign of blessing meant to encourage the spies. By looking at those same qualities in modern Israel, we feel supremely blessed by the growing, blooming, rich fertile soil of Israel.

Hi Hoss,Like your Pro Zionist stance,who are not Original Jews but a polyglot of other peoples(A VERSION),so too is your above vid by Boney M (A VERSION)
Herewith is the ORIGINAL circa 1969 by the Melodians....Rivers of Babylon is actually PSALM 137 verse 1......Enjoy Hossy



I would also like to share with you friend a Reggae rendition of PSALM 23 which I feel suits you very well indeed....You Are A Good Man Hoss




And to round off this Biblical Trilogy .....The 1965 Original of River Jordan,by The Basses with the Soul Vendors(Lynn Taitt and the Jets)


Steve

AGAIN OFF TOPIC DEFLECTION AND DERAILMENT

Not at all just sharing beautiful Bible inspired Music..........what you loath is that I get on openly with Hoss and although on differing sides at time,I respect him..........I love a lot of folk because they inspire,......everything you are NOT,I'm sorry to say......You are always rude and slandering towards Penny,Tinnie and all the Greats on here.......but they are nice.....me I expose you for the RAMPANT IDIOT YOU ARE

LIAR you goad and incite all the time so you can go crawling to the mods and get other posters kicked of the board. We can tell when you are doing this as we start to get messages about our posts that tell the truth about the LIES you post

 

[theliq]

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And what the land is, whether it is fat or lean, whether there is wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land.’ Now the time was the time of the first-ripe grapes.
Numbers 13:20 (The Israel Bible™)

וּמָה הָאָרֶץ הַשְּׁמֵנָה הִוא אִם רָזָה הֲיֵשׁ בָּהּ עֵץ אִם אַיִן וְהִתְחַזַּקְתֶּם וּלְקַחְתֶּם מִפְּרִי הָאָרֶץ וְהַיָּמִים יְמֵי בִּכּוּרֵי עֲנָבִים
במדבר יג:כ

u-ma ha-a-retz hash-may-na he im ra-za ha-yash ba aytz im a-yeen v'-hit-kha-zak-tem ul-kakh-tem mip-ree ha-a-retz v'-ha-ya-meem y'-may bi-ku-ray a-na-veem
Jerusalem Inspiration
Today's verse describes the details of the spying mission sent into the Holy Land from the desert. Did you know that most of the information meant to be gathered was completely agricultural? The richness of the land and the multitude of trees, were a sure sign of blessing meant to encourage the spies. By looking at those same qualities in modern Israel, we feel supremely blessed by the growing, blooming, rich fertile soil of Israel.

Hi Hoss,Like your Pro Zionist stance,who are not Original Jews but a polyglot of other peoples(A VERSION),so too is your above vid by Boney M (A VERSION)
Herewith is the ORIGINAL circa 1969 by the Melodians....Rivers of Babylon is actually PSALM 137 verse 1......Enjoy Hossy



I would also like to share with you friend a Reggae rendition of PSALM 23 which I feel suits you very well indeed....You Are A Good Man Hoss




And to round off this Biblical Trilogy .....The 1965 Original of River Jordan,by The Basses with the Soul Vendors(Lynn Taitt and the Jets)


Steve

AGAIN OFF TOPIC DEFLECTION AND DERAILMENT

Not at all just sharing beautiful Bible inspired Music..........what you loath is that I get on openly with Hoss and although on differing sides at time,I respect him..........I love a lot of folk because they inspire,......everything you are NOT,I'm sorry to say......You are always rude and slandering towards Penny,Tinnie and all the Greats on here.......but they are nice.....me I expose you for the RAMPANT IDIOT YOU ARE

LIAR you goad and incite all the time so you can go crawling to the mods and get other posters kicked of the board. We can tell when you are doing this as we start to get messages about our posts that tell the truth about the LIES you post

Why do you look in the MIRROR all the time and speak about yourself thus ????????

 

[yiostheoy]

lol,don`t get mad,i`m not picking,Lemur monkey is on your DNA.So why you mad at me?View attachment 80801

The only animals in my DNA are alligators, wolverines and Texas longhorns. All bad ass animals.

So that explains a lot. You have a brain that would fit into half a table spoon, are a member of the weasel family and prefer to follow the herd rather than think for yourself. Yup, sounds about right.

The so called Jews in Israel are not true Jews, they are Khazars Ashkenazi Jews Identity theft

Why do you keep spamming this ancient thread ???

 

[yiostheoy]

This thread was created in order to attempt to fix the significant derailment of another thread without having to delete posts.

The topic of this thread is one that comes up with regularity in IP, and is also a frequent derailer of active threads so it will now have a thread of it's own which will be pinned as a "stickie".

I apologize ahead of time for the bumpy discontinuous beginnig of this, but I think it will smooth out as discussion goes on.

The topic is: The history involving the creation of Israel, the British Mandate, and the applicable actions of the UN in that history.

When I visited Israel myself I did an extensive study of the recreation of The Jewish State.

The best starting point is the end of the 2nd Temple Period when due to rebellion at Jerusalem the Romans sacked and destroyed it and murdered all the residents. By then the "Christian Jews" had already left, according to Eusebius.

From that point on the Jews were a people without a nation, for the next 2000 years.

By 1917 the Jews has the financial and political strength to claim their ancient lands back, and by then the Turkish Ottoman Empire was weak enough that mandating a homeland for the Jews in Palestine was first feasible.

From 1917 to 1948 immigration was at first a trickle, but then after WW2 it was a torrent.

Long story short, the Jews regained their ancient homeland at the expense of the occupants who were by then Palestinian Muslims.

So be it.

 

[Coyote]

This thread was created in order to attempt to fix the significant derailment of another thread without having to delete posts.

The topic of this thread is one that comes up with regularity in IP, and is also a frequent derailer of active threads so it will now have a thread of it's own which will be pinned as a "stickie".

I apologize ahead of time for the bumpy discontinuous beginnig of this, but I think it will smooth out as discussion goes on.

The topic is: The history involving the creation of Israel, the British Mandate, and the applicable actions of the UN in that history.

When I visited Israel myself I did an extensive study of the recreation of The Jewish State.

The best starting point is the end of the 2nd Temple Period when due to rebellion at Jerusalem the Romans sacked and destroyed it and murdered all the residents. By then the "Christian Jews" had already left, according to Eusebius.

From that point on the Jews were a people without a nation, for the next 2000 years.

By 1917 the Jews has the financial and political strength to claim their ancient lands back, and by then the Turkish Ottoman Empire was weak enough that mandating a homeland for the Jews in Palestine was first feasible.

From 1917 to 1948 immigration was at first a trickle, but then after WW2 it was a torrent.

Long story short, the Jews regained their ancient homeland at the expense of the occupants who were by then Palestinian Muslims.

So be it.

I've simplified the way I look at it.

It's about human beings.

People who are trying to live their lives, raise families, create a future. It's that simple. Those people are called Jews and Palestinians, and they deserve the same respect and recognition as any other people. It does not matter what happened a century or millinium ago. Who cares who was "first" or "indiginous" or whatever. What matters is NOW, and a what matters is that any future must include the rights, dreams and recognition of both those peoples.

 

[Coyote]

Phoenal and Steve...please get on topic and take the other stuff to the Flame Zone..ok?

 

[Weatherman2020]

The main question is why in a huge world filled with war and strife the OP is about a tiny strip of sand.

 

[Coyote]

The main question is why in a huge world filled with war and strife the OP is about a tiny strip of sand.

Maybe because it's in the Israel/Palestine forum

 

[Weatherman2020]

The main question is why in a huge world filled with war and strife the OP is about a tiny strip of sand.

Maybe because it's in the Israel/Palestine forum

Where's the Pakistan/India forum? Cambodia/Thailand forum?

Oh yeah, no Jews there.

 

[Shusha]

I've simplified the way I look at it.

It's about human beings.

People who are trying to live their lives, raise families, create a future. It's that simple. Those people are called Jews and Palestinians, and they deserve the same respect and recognition as any other people. It does not matter what happened a century or millinium ago. Who cares who was "first" or "indiginous" or whatever. What matters is NOW, and a what matters is that any future must include the rights, dreams and recognition of both those peoples.

I agree. That said, the reason why it keeps coming up is because Team Palestine uses it to negate the rights of the Jewish people.