The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[gipper]

To summarize this lengthy thread in a few words, but only for the benefit of the close minded murderous statists who can’t accept the truth.

1. FDR maneuvered and incited Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor, a military base in which 2,000 servicemen died.
2. FDR knew the attack was coming beforehand, but refused to warn commanders and later scapegoated them.
3. FDR and Dirty Harry imposed unconditional surrender on Japan, causing hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
4. Japan put out peace feelers as early as 1944. By early 1945, all they asked was not to prosecute the Emperor. Truman knew of this request in early 1945 but ignored it, until after he massacred defenseless civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
5. By summer 1945, Japan was incapable of defending itself or committing any offensive action. The US military had complete control of sea and air. Daylight bombings were instituted because Japan had no air defenses.
6. Many US commanders and administration leaders advised Truman not to use the A bombs or stated they were unnecessary for victory.
7. The A bombs were not needed to end the war. They did not save any American lives.
8. Truman used the bombs to impress the world and frighten the Soviets. Of course, Stalin already knew about the bomb due to his numerous spies within FDR’s and Truman’s administration.
9. Dirty Harry lied multiple times about the reason for using the bombs.
10. Statists can’t accept the above, even though all are documented facts.

 

[Turtlesoup]

.......INVASION was the only other option. ....

No, it was not.

Oh I couldn't help but notice that you haven't listed any other options so I have to ask What in the world do you think the other choices were?

The Japanese military was already decimated by 1945. Tokkotai attacks increased in direct proportion to the rapid decline in trained, skilled pilots like the ones the air force had at the outset of the war. The population had become disgruntled and was facing mass starvation. This whole "not one person in the whole country would ever surrender!" is childishly simplistic comic book nonsense and demonstrates a cultural ignorance that is only relied upon to support a preconceived narrative. A naval blockade of Honshu would have forced the surrender that elements within the government had been trying to negotiate since long before.

You imply but don't say what your option is. You know it's nonsense. Go ahead and say it--------you think the US should have not invaded or gone after the evil Japanese in a land battle---allowing them to continue to kill our captured soldiers and cut open the bellies of pregnant chinese women among other things. You think we should have jut stopped there, which btw would have allowed the Japanese to regroup under their IMPERIALIST leader would have certainly attacked again and again and again if he wasn't completely defeated and brought to his knees.

You have no clue about that time and place. The Japanese at that time saw their evil emperor as a GOD------and they weren't disillusioned with their god...hence why when he called for volunteers to kill themselves----he had no problem getting them. You think the kamikazi were the only suiciders for the japanese? These idiots took suicide to a level that you obviously can't even phantom..........They were an emperor as god worshipping cult that saw nothing but good in killing themselves to hurt their god's enemies.


I realize that the Japanese government now is desperate to rewrite history as all the lib socialist globalists and in fact have been trying to rewrite and hide facts for decades now, but this doesn't change the truth. The evil emperor and his army gave standing orders for the people of japan especially the barrier islands to kill themselves killing the allies----mass suicide called SHUDAN JIKETSU (which you should look up) was ordered and the japanese military enforced....

 

[Turtlesoup]

To summarize this lengthy thread in a few words, but only for the benefit of the close minded murderous statists who can’t accept the truth.

1. FDR maneuvered and incited Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor, a military base in which 2,000 servicemen died.
2. FDR knew the attack was coming beforehand, but refused to warn commanders and later scapegoated them.
3. FDR and Dirty Harry imposed unconditional surrender on Japan, causing hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
4. Japan put out peace feelers as early as 1944. By early 1945, all they asked was not to prosecute the Emperor. Truman knew of this request in early 1945 but ignored it, until after he massacred defenseless civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
5. By summer 1945, Japan was incapable of defending itself or committing any offensive action. The US military had complete control of sea and air. Daylight bombings were instituted because Japan had no air defenses.
6. Many US commanders and administration leaders advised Truman not to use the A bombs or stated they were unnecessary for victory.
7. The A bombs were not needed to end the war. They did not save any American lives.
8. Truman used the bombs to impress the world and frighten the Soviets. Of course, Stalin already knew about the bomb due to his numerous spies within FDR’s and Truman’s administration.
9. Dirty Harry lied multiple times about the reason for using the bombs.
10. Statists can’t accept the above, even though all are documented facts.

Oh brother....I hate FDR the original US socialist/communist but to blame him for Japan attacking and invading others is way out of line. The japanese emperor was evil---and deserves all the credit for his own murders dear.

And on my, the delusions about the Japanese not being able to harm others any more? What a load of cow poo..........

They were still harming people--------and needed a Major attitude adjustment---which dropping the bombs on them gave them as they haven't invaded and attacked any others since.

 

[Unkotare]

"Most Americans have heard World War II veterans claim that the atomic destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved their lives. This historical argument often leads to another: that those who fought against the Japanese, or who expected to be part of an invasion of Japan, are of one mind in believing that the use of the atomic bomb was unquestionably the right decision at the time.

Relayed through family stories, media portraits and political soundbites, this "you weren't there and therefore don't have any right to offer your views" argument discourages thoughtful discussion of one of the most important decisions in American history. And it contradicts the more informed opinion of some of the top officers these veterans served under.

Indeed, contrary to conventional opinion today, many military leaders of the time — including six out of seven five-star officers — criticized the use of the atomic bomb."

Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins

Almost six decades after the fact, the 1945 unleashing of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima continues to be the subject of impassioned debate. Every year the bombing anniversary — which falls on August 6 — occasions heated exchanges between those who question the atomic bombing and those who...

origins.osu.edu

 

[Unkotare]

...You have no clue about that time and place. ...

Actually, I do. More than you are ever likely to.

 

[Unkotare]

...--------you think .......

Don't try to tell me what I think, douche bag. If you have a question, ask.

 

[Unkotare]

......hence why when he called for volunteers to kill themselves----he had no problem getting them. You think the kamikazi were the only suiciders for the japanese? These idiots took suicide to a level that you obviously can't even phantom..........They were an emperor as god worshipping cult that saw nothing but good in killing themselves to hurt their god's enemies.
...

There's that comic book history again. Did you major in cartoons?

 

[gipper]

To summarize this lengthy thread in a few words, but only for the benefit of the close minded murderous statists who can’t accept the truth.

1. FDR maneuvered and incited Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor, a military base in which 2,000 servicemen died.
2. FDR knew the attack was coming beforehand, but refused to warn commanders and later scapegoated them.
3. FDR and Dirty Harry imposed unconditional surrender on Japan, causing hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
4. Japan put out peace feelers as early as 1944. By early 1945, all they asked was not to prosecute the Emperor. Truman knew of this request in early 1945 but ignored it, until after he massacred defenseless civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
5. By summer 1945, Japan was incapable of defending itself or committing any offensive action. The US military had complete control of sea and air. Daylight bombings were instituted because Japan had no air defenses.
6. Many US commanders and administration leaders advised Truman not to use the A bombs or stated they were unnecessary for victory.
7. The A bombs were not needed to end the war. They did not save any American lives.
8. Truman used the bombs to impress the world and frighten the Soviets. Of course, Stalin already knew about the bomb due to his numerous spies within FDR’s and Truman’s administration.
9. Dirty Harry lied multiple times about the reason for using the bombs.
10. Statists can’t accept the above, even though all are documented facts.

Oh brother....I hate FDR the original US socialist/communist but to blame him for Japan attacking and invading others is way out of line. The japanese emperor was evil---and deserves all the credit for his own murders dear.

And on my, the delusions about the Japanese not being able to harm others any more? What a load of cow poo..........

They were still harming people--------and needed a Major attitude adjustment---which dropping the bombs on them gave them as they haven't invaded and attacked any others since.

Man up son. Accept the facts. Don’t be a pussy.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

.......INVASION was the only other option. ....

No, it was not.

Oh I couldn't help but notice that you haven't listed any other options so I have to ask What in the world do you think the other choices were?

The Japanese military was already decimated by 1945. Tokkotai attacks increased in direct proportion to the rapid decline in trained, skilled pilots like the ones the air force had at the outset of the war. The population had become disgruntled and was facing mass starvation. This whole "not one person in the whole country would ever surrender!" is childishly simplistic comic book nonsense and demonstrates a cultural ignorance that is only relied upon to support a preconceived narrative. A naval blockade of Honshu would have forced the surrender that elements within the government had been trying to negotiate since long before.

You imply but don't say what your option is. You know it's nonsense. Go ahead and say it--------you think the US should have not invaded or gone after the evil Japanese in a land battle---allowing them to continue to kill our captured soldiers and cut open the bellies of pregnant chinese women among other things. You think we should have jut stopped there, which btw would have allowed the Japanese to regroup under their IMPERIALIST leader would have certainly attacked again and again and again if he wasn't completely defeated and brought to his knees.

You have no clue about that time and place. The Japanese at that time saw their evil emperor as a GOD------and they weren't disillusioned with their god...hence why when he called for volunteers to kill themselves----he had no problem getting them. You think the kamikazi were the only suiciders for the japanese? These idiots took suicide to a level that you obviously can't even phantom..........They were an emperor as god worshipping cult that saw nothing but good in killing themselves to hurt their god's enemies.


I realize that the Japanese government now is desperate to rewrite history as all the lib socialist globalists and in fact have been trying to rewrite and hide facts for decades now, but this doesn't change the truth. The evil emperor and his army gave standing orders for the people of japan especially the barrier islands to kill themselves killing the allies----mass suicide called SHUDAN JIKETSU (which you should look up) was ordered and the japanese military enforced....

Or the yanks could have just blocked all the ports. They could have supplied massive food and medical drugs & equiptment even, or put it on offer, and just waited. If the Japs continued to hold out with their people starving that would not have been the yanks fault.Then it would have just been a matter of time.
All Jap resources were spent, so there is no way they could just keep mounting any meaningful attacks. Had the US taken this course of action far, from condemnation, history would be applauding you.

 

[Englewood]

.......INVASION was the only other option. ....

No, it was not.

Oh I couldn't help but notice that you haven't listed any other options so I have to ask What in the world do you think the other choices were?

The Japanese military was already decimated by 1945. Tokkotai attacks increased in direct proportion to the rapid decline in trained, skilled pilots like the ones the air force had at the outset of the war. The population had become disgruntled and was facing mass starvation. This whole "not one person in the whole country would ever surrender!" is childishly simplistic comic book nonsense and demonstrates a cultural ignorance that is only relied upon to support a preconceived narrative. A naval blockade of Honshu would have forced the surrender that elements within the government had been trying to negotiate since long before.

You imply but don't say what your option is. You know it's nonsense. Go ahead and say it--------you think the US should have not invaded or gone after the evil Japanese in a land battle---allowing them to continue to kill our captured soldiers and cut open the bellies of pregnant chinese women among other things. You think we should have jut stopped there, which btw would have allowed the Japanese to regroup under their IMPERIALIST leader would have certainly attacked again and again and again if he wasn't completely defeated and brought to his knees.

You have no clue about that time and place. The Japanese at that time saw their evil emperor as a GOD------and they weren't disillusioned with their god...hence why when he called for volunteers to kill themselves----he had no problem getting them. You think the kamikazi were the only suiciders for the japanese? These idiots took suicide to a level that you obviously can't even phantom..........They were an emperor as god worshipping cult that saw nothing but good in killing themselves to hurt their god's enemies.


I realize that the Japanese government now is desperate to rewrite history as all the lib socialist globalists and in fact have been trying to rewrite and hide facts for decades now, but this doesn't change the truth. The evil emperor and his army gave standing orders for the people of japan especially the barrier islands to kill themselves killing the allies----mass suicide called SHUDAN JIKETSU (which you should look up) was ordered and the japanese military enforced....

Or the yanks could have just blocked all the ports. They could have supplied massive food and medical drugs & equiptment even, or put it on offer, and just waited. If the Japs continued to hold out with their people starving that would not have been the yanks fault.Then it would have just been a matter of time.
All Jap resources were spent, so there is no way they could just keep mounting any meaningful attacks. Had the US taken this course of action far, from condemnation, history would be applauding you.

America didn't need applause it needed the war to be over.

 

[Turtlesoup]

... And he wanted suicide killers and to defeat the rest of the world at any cost to everyone else including his own people---------dropping the bombs sent a clear message, that we would bomb Japan into submission and that the emperor who before the bombs felt perfectly safe had to come a sudden abrupt realization that the US would being dropping a bomb on him next...thusly giving him an incentative to end the war.

This kind of nonsense demonstrates very clearly how ignorant you really are of the time and the people involved on all sides.

Again another lash out with an insult and no facts.

"Most Americans have heard World War II veterans claim that the atomic destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved their lives. This historical argument often leads to another: that those who fought against the Japanese, or who expected to be part of an invasion of Japan, are of one mind in believing that the use of the atomic bomb was unquestionably the right decision at the time.

Relayed through family stories, media portraits and political soundbites, this "you weren't there and therefore don't have any right to offer your views" argument discourages thoughtful discussion of one of the most important decisions in American history. And it contradicts the more informed opinion of some of the top officers these veterans served under.

Indeed, contrary to conventional opinion today, many military leaders of the time — including six out of seven five-star officers — criticized the use of the atomic bomb."

Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins

Almost six decades after the fact, the 1945 unleashing of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima continues to be the subject of impassioned debate. Every year the bombing anniversary — which falls on August 6 — occasions heated exchanges between those who question the atomic bombing and those who...

origins.osu.edu

You shouldn't believe propaganda-------- I tried locating your source of 6 out of 7 5-star officers critized the use of the bombs--but ran across a LA times Article that was claiming 7 of the 8 5 star officers including MacArthur were against the bombing---MacArthurs top aid says bs as MacArthur was later advocating for dropping 30 - 50 atomic bombs all across Korea's head to fight communism. What is really bizarre is that there is no record of any these 5 stars being against dropping the bombs BEFORE the bombs were dropped----their only reservation coming only after. The only 5 star to express any reservations according to the briefings, aids, and diaries before they were dropped was from Marshal who whole heartedly and publically supported the bombs after they were dropped.

So why would the 5 stars claim that they didn't support the bombings when there is no record of any of them being against the bombings before the bombs went off? And the answer is they were POLITICAL creatures who at the time were obsessed with COMMUNISM especially as it relates to China and Korea. Later 40's and early fifties, fighting communism was a big thing and they already knew that Asia's China and Korea were the next threats coming. They were doing what all politicians do---lie and telling people what they thought they wanted to hear so their words mean nothing. None of them were against the bombs when the bombing took place.



I'll break it down for you in simple terms.


The first bomb was dropped on August 6. Then the Russians finally jumped their azz and jumped into the war on August 8 and invaded one of the Japanese puppet states on August 9--the same day that the second bomb was dropped. Two days later Japan surrendered completely.

Why you ask did I just break it down for you? Because the propagandists AND COMMUNISTS are spinning nonsense trying so hard to claim that the bombs weren't necessary to get Japan to surrender and that they were going to surrender anyways because Russia had jumped into the war. Russia only jumped in because the US used the atomic bombs on Japan. Japan only surrendered because of the bombs. This is why the lib media almost or always never ever mentions the time line break down.

 

[Turtlesoup]

.......INVASION was the only other option. ....

No, it was not.

Oh I couldn't help but notice that you haven't listed any other options so I have to ask What in the world do you think the other choices were?

The Japanese military was already decimated by 1945. Tokkotai attacks increased in direct proportion to the rapid decline in trained, skilled pilots like the ones the air force had at the outset of the war. The population had become disgruntled and was facing mass starvation. This whole "not one person in the whole country would ever surrender!" is childishly simplistic comic book nonsense and demonstrates a cultural ignorance that is only relied upon to support a preconceived narrative. A naval blockade of Honshu would have forced the surrender that elements within the government had been trying to negotiate since long before.

You imply but don't say what your option is. You know it's nonsense. Go ahead and say it--------you think the US should have not invaded or gone after the evil Japanese in a land battle---allowing them to continue to kill our captured soldiers and cut open the bellies of pregnant chinese women among other things. You think we should have jut stopped there, which btw would have allowed the Japanese to regroup under their IMPERIALIST leader would have certainly attacked again and again and again if he wasn't completely defeated and brought to his knees.

You have no clue about that time and place. The Japanese at that time saw their evil emperor as a GOD------and they weren't disillusioned with their god...hence why when he called for volunteers to kill themselves----he had no problem getting them. You think the kamikazi were the only suiciders for the japanese? These idiots took suicide to a level that you obviously can't even phantom..........They were an emperor as god worshipping cult that saw nothing but good in killing themselves to hurt their god's enemies.


I realize that the Japanese government now is desperate to rewrite history as all the lib socialist globalists and in fact have been trying to rewrite and hide facts for decades now, but this doesn't change the truth. The evil emperor and his army gave standing orders for the people of japan especially the barrier islands to kill themselves killing the allies----mass suicide called SHUDAN JIKETSU (which you should look up) was ordered and the japanese military enforced....

Or the yanks could have just blocked all the ports. They could have supplied massive food and medical drugs & equiptment even, or put it on offer, and just waited. If the Japs continued to hold out with their people starving that would not have been the yanks fault.Then it would have just been a matter of time.
All Jap resources were spent, so there is no way they could just keep mounting any meaningful attacks. Had the US taken this course of action far, from condemnation, history would be applauding you.

Oh brother.....blocking trade would not have staved the Japs to death. What a silly claim....You act like people could not raise their own food or catch their fish off an island nation. Silly.

Japs were still attacking others---all that had happened was that their airforce was mostly wiped out.. and that the allies were able to block war material and supplies from being brought in by ship with us using our submarines. They still occupied captured lands and terrorized other people.

 

[Turtlesoup]

.......INVASION was the only other option. ....

No, it was not.

Oh I couldn't help but notice that you haven't listed any other options so I have to ask What in the world do you think the other choices were?

The Japanese military was already decimated by 1945. Tokkotai attacks increased in direct proportion to the rapid decline in trained, skilled pilots like the ones the air force had at the outset of the war. The population had become disgruntled and was facing mass starvation. This whole "not one person in the whole country would ever surrender!" is childishly simplistic comic book nonsense and demonstrates a cultural ignorance that is only relied upon to support a preconceived narrative. A naval blockade of Honshu would have forced the surrender that elements within the government had been trying to negotiate since long before.

You imply but don't say what your option is. You know it's nonsense. Go ahead and say it--------you think the US should have not invaded or gone after the evil Japanese in a land battle---allowing them to continue to kill our captured soldiers and cut open the bellies of pregnant chinese women among other things. You think we should have jut stopped there, which btw would have allowed the Japanese to regroup under their IMPERIALIST leader would have certainly attacked again and again and again if he wasn't completely defeated and brought to his knees.

You have no clue about that time and place. The Japanese at that time saw their evil emperor as a GOD------and they weren't disillusioned with their god...hence why when he called for volunteers to kill themselves----he had no problem getting them. You think the kamikazi were the only suiciders for the japanese? These idiots took suicide to a level that you obviously can't even phantom..........They were an emperor as god worshipping cult that saw nothing but good in killing themselves to hurt their god's enemies.


I realize that the Japanese government now is desperate to rewrite history as all the lib socialist globalists and in fact have been trying to rewrite and hide facts for decades now, but this doesn't change the truth. The evil emperor and his army gave standing orders for the people of japan especially the barrier islands to kill themselves killing the allies----mass suicide called SHUDAN JIKETSU (which you should look up) was ordered and the japanese military enforced....

Or the yanks could have just blocked all the ports. They could have supplied massive food and medical drugs & equiptment even, or put it on offer, and just waited. If the Japs continued to hold out with their people starving that would not have been the yanks fault.Then it would have just been a matter of time.
All Jap resources were spent, so there is no way they could just keep mounting any meaningful attacks. Had the US taken this course of action far, from condemnation, history would be applauding you.

And we would have another fat kim in korea in Japan as well---generations of abusers looking to attack and cause trouble what we would have to constantly guard against as they would seek the nukes and plan on using them against world.


No thanks, I like problems solved--not just kicking the problems down the road. In hindsight, Using the A bombs on the Japanese was what was necessary to give them an attitude adjustment making them an ally instead of continual problem. Don't care about the supposed worlds condemnation--there are lots of stupid people who are going to whine regardless..............dropping the bombs ended the war, saving millions and forced the Japanese to end their ways and act completely different. Dropping the bombs was the right decision then and still is now.

 

[Unkotare]

.......INVASION was the only other option. ....

No, it was not.

Oh I couldn't help but notice that you haven't listed any other options so I have to ask What in the world do you think the other choices were?

The Japanese military was already decimated by 1945. Tokkotai attacks increased in direct proportion to the rapid decline in trained, skilled pilots like the ones the air force had at the outset of the war. The population had become disgruntled and was facing mass starvation. This whole "not one person in the whole country would ever surrender!" is childishly simplistic comic book nonsense and demonstrates a cultural ignorance that is only relied upon to support a preconceived narrative. A naval blockade of Honshu would have forced the surrender that elements within the government had been trying to negotiate since long before.

You imply but don't say what your option is. You know it's nonsense. Go ahead and say it--------you think the US should have not invaded or gone after the evil Japanese in a land battle---allowing them to continue to kill our captured soldiers and cut open the bellies of pregnant chinese women among other things. You think we should have jut stopped there, which btw would have allowed the Japanese to regroup under their IMPERIALIST leader would have certainly attacked again and again and again if he wasn't completely defeated and brought to his knees.

You have no clue about that time and place. The Japanese at that time saw their evil emperor as a GOD------and they weren't disillusioned with their god...hence why when he called for volunteers to kill themselves----he had no problem getting them. You think the kamikazi were the only suiciders for the japanese? These idiots took suicide to a level that you obviously can't even phantom..........They were an emperor as god worshipping cult that saw nothing but good in killing themselves to hurt their god's enemies.


I realize that the Japanese government now is desperate to rewrite history as all the lib socialist globalists and in fact have been trying to rewrite and hide facts for decades now, but this doesn't change the truth. The evil emperor and his army gave standing orders for the people of japan especially the barrier islands to kill themselves killing the allies----mass suicide called SHUDAN JIKETSU (which you should look up) was ordered and the japanese military enforced....

Or the yanks could have just blocked all the ports. They could have supplied massive food and medical drugs & equiptment even, or put it on offer, and just waited. If the Japs continued to hold out with their people starving that would not have been the yanks fault.Then it would have just been a matter of time.
All Jap resources were spent, so there is no way they could just keep mounting any meaningful attacks. Had the US taken this course of action far, from condemnation, history would be applauding you.

And we would have another fat kim in korea in Japan as well---generations of abusers looking to attack and cause trouble what we would have to constantly guard against as they would seek the nukes and plan on using them against world.
...

More "imagination land" speculation.

 

[Unkotare]

.......INVASION was the only other option. ....

No, it was not.

Oh I couldn't help but notice that you haven't listed any other options so I have to ask What in the world do you think the other choices were?

The Japanese military was already decimated by 1945. Tokkotai attacks increased in direct proportion to the rapid decline in trained, skilled pilots like the ones the air force had at the outset of the war. The population had become disgruntled and was facing mass starvation. This whole "not one person in the whole country would ever surrender!" is childishly simplistic comic book nonsense and demonstrates a cultural ignorance that is only relied upon to support a preconceived narrative. A naval blockade of Honshu would have forced the surrender that elements within the government had been trying to negotiate since long before.

You imply but don't say what your option is. You know it's nonsense. Go ahead and say it--------you think the US should have not invaded or gone after the evil Japanese in a land battle---allowing them to continue to kill our captured soldiers and cut open the bellies of pregnant chinese women among other things. You think we should have jut stopped there, which btw would have allowed the Japanese to regroup under their IMPERIALIST leader would have certainly attacked again and again and again if he wasn't completely defeated and brought to his knees.

You have no clue about that time and place. The Japanese at that time saw their evil emperor as a GOD------and they weren't disillusioned with their god...hence why when he called for volunteers to kill themselves----he had no problem getting them. You think the kamikazi were the only suiciders for the japanese? These idiots took suicide to a level that you obviously can't even phantom..........They were an emperor as god worshipping cult that saw nothing but good in killing themselves to hurt their god's enemies.


I realize that the Japanese government now is desperate to rewrite history as all the lib socialist globalists and in fact have been trying to rewrite and hide facts for decades now, but this doesn't change the truth. The evil emperor and his army gave standing orders for the people of japan especially the barrier islands to kill themselves killing the allies----mass suicide called SHUDAN JIKETSU (which you should look up) was ordered and the japanese military enforced....

Or the yanks could have just blocked all the ports. They could have supplied massive food and medical drugs & equiptment even, or put it on offer, and just waited. If the Japs continued to hold out with their people starving that would not have been the yanks fault.Then it would have just been a matter of time.
All Jap resources were spent, so there is no way they could just keep mounting any meaningful attacks. Had the US taken this course of action far, from condemnation, history would be applauding you.

Oh brother.....blocking trade would not have staved the Japs to death. What a silly claim....You act like people could not raise their own food or catch their fish off an island nation. Silly.
....

It almost seems as if you are proud of being ignorant. The civilian population was already facing starvation well before August 1945.

JAPAN TARGETED FOR STARVATION - World War II Day by Day

Tinian, Mariana Islands · March 27, 1945 An island nation, Japan was vulnerable to a blockade of essential food and strategic materials. On this date in 1945 the U.S. Army Air Forces and the U.S. Navy, hoping to put the final nail in the enemy’s coffin, kicked off Operation Starvation, the...

ww2days.com

 

[Unkotare]

...So why would the 5 stars claim that they didn't support the bombings when there is no record of any of them being against the bombings before the bombs went off? ...

You mean the atomic program so secret that truman didn't even know it existed before fdr finally died? That one, genius?

 

[Turtlesoup]

.......INVASION was the only other option. ....

No, it was not.

Oh I couldn't help but notice that you haven't listed any other options so I have to ask What in the world do you think the other choices were?

The Japanese military was already decimated by 1945. Tokkotai attacks increased in direct proportion to the rapid decline in trained, skilled pilots like the ones the air force had at the outset of the war. The population had become disgruntled and was facing mass starvation. This whole "not one person in the whole country would ever surrender!" is childishly simplistic comic book nonsense and demonstrates a cultural ignorance that is only relied upon to support a preconceived narrative. A naval blockade of Honshu would have forced the surrender that elements within the government had been trying to negotiate since long before.

You imply but don't say what your option is. You know it's nonsense. Go ahead and say it--------you think the US should have not invaded or gone after the evil Japanese in a land battle---allowing them to continue to kill our captured soldiers and cut open the bellies of pregnant chinese women among other things. You think we should have jut stopped there, which btw would have allowed the Japanese to regroup under their IMPERIALIST leader would have certainly attacked again and again and again if he wasn't completely defeated and brought to his knees.

You have no clue about that time and place. The Japanese at that time saw their evil emperor as a GOD------and they weren't disillusioned with their god...hence why when he called for volunteers to kill themselves----he had no problem getting them. You think the kamikazi were the only suiciders for the japanese? These idiots took suicide to a level that you obviously can't even phantom..........They were an emperor as god worshipping cult that saw nothing but good in killing themselves to hurt their god's enemies.


I realize that the Japanese government now is desperate to rewrite history as all the lib socialist globalists and in fact have been trying to rewrite and hide facts for decades now, but this doesn't change the truth. The evil emperor and his army gave standing orders for the people of japan especially the barrier islands to kill themselves killing the allies----mass suicide called SHUDAN JIKETSU (which you should look up) was ordered and the japanese military enforced....

Or the yanks could have just blocked all the ports. They could have supplied massive food and medical drugs & equiptment even, or put it on offer, and just waited. If the Japs continued to hold out with their people starving that would not have been the yanks fault.Then it would have just been a matter of time.
All Jap resources were spent, so there is no way they could just keep mounting any meaningful attacks. Had the US taken this course of action far, from condemnation, history would be applauding you.

And we would have another fat kim in korea in Japan as well---generations of abusers looking to attack and cause trouble what we would have to constantly guard against as they would seek the nukes and plan on using them against world.
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More "imagination land" speculation.

Ahh another childish insult with confronted with the facts. The issue is you dear.

 

[Turtlesoup]

.......INVASION was the only other option. ....

No, it was not.

Oh I couldn't help but notice that you haven't listed any other options so I have to ask What in the world do you think the other choices were?

The Japanese military was already decimated by 1945. Tokkotai attacks increased in direct proportion to the rapid decline in trained, skilled pilots like the ones the air force had at the outset of the war. The population had become disgruntled and was facing mass starvation. This whole "not one person in the whole country would ever surrender!" is childishly simplistic comic book nonsense and demonstrates a cultural ignorance that is only relied upon to support a preconceived narrative. A naval blockade of Honshu would have forced the surrender that elements within the government had been trying to negotiate since long before.

You imply but don't say what your option is. You know it's nonsense. Go ahead and say it--------you think the US should have not invaded or gone after the evil Japanese in a land battle---allowing them to continue to kill our captured soldiers and cut open the bellies of pregnant chinese women among other things. You think we should have jut stopped there, which btw would have allowed the Japanese to regroup under their IMPERIALIST leader would have certainly attacked again and again and again if he wasn't completely defeated and brought to his knees.

You have no clue about that time and place. The Japanese at that time saw their evil emperor as a GOD------and they weren't disillusioned with their god...hence why when he called for volunteers to kill themselves----he had no problem getting them. You think the kamikazi were the only suiciders for the japanese? These idiots took suicide to a level that you obviously can't even phantom..........They were an emperor as god worshipping cult that saw nothing but good in killing themselves to hurt their god's enemies.


I realize that the Japanese government now is desperate to rewrite history as all the lib socialist globalists and in fact have been trying to rewrite and hide facts for decades now, but this doesn't change the truth. The evil emperor and his army gave standing orders for the people of japan especially the barrier islands to kill themselves killing the allies----mass suicide called SHUDAN JIKETSU (which you should look up) was ordered and the japanese military enforced....

Or the yanks could have just blocked all the ports. They could have supplied massive food and medical drugs & equiptment even, or put it on offer, and just waited. If the Japs continued to hold out with their people starving that would not have been the yanks fault.Then it would have just been a matter of time.
All Jap resources were spent, so there is no way they could just keep mounting any meaningful attacks. Had the US taken this course of action far, from condemnation, history would be applauding you.

Oh brother.....blocking trade would not have staved the Japs to death. What a silly claim....You act like people could not raise their own food or catch their fish off an island nation. Silly.
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It almost seems as if you are proud of being ignorant. The civilian population was already facing starvation well before August 1945.

JAPAN TARGETED FOR STARVATION - World War II Day by Day

Tinian, Mariana Islands · March 27, 1945 An island nation, Japan was vulnerable to a blockade of essential food and strategic materials. On this date in 1945 the U.S. Army Air Forces and the U.S. Navy, hoping to put the final nail in the enemy’s coffin, kicked off Operation Starvation, the...

ww2days.com

So are are FAT KIMS people in Korea but they keep supporting him year after year decade after decade and we keep wasting our resources year after year trying to isolate him . And in the end he will have the nukes---and the only question will be will we finally wipe bomb him or he will bomb us first.

BTW, what the hell are posting---I am not the one who posted the article about the Japanese going hungry then------

 

[Turtlesoup]

...So why would the 5 stars claim that they didn't support the bombings when there is no record of any of them being against the bombings before the bombs went off? ...

You mean the atomic program so secret that truman didn't even know it existed before fdr finally died? That one, genius?

You think the 5 stars didn't know about the bomb that was being used? Let me guess, you think they all just woke one day and out of the blue were told that the US had this giant bomb that had been used? Hun, it doesn't work that way in the military.


No one cares when Truman was told about the A bombs before he became president---he didn't know till right after he was sworn in months before the bomb was used but several of the generals knew well before him and all certainly knew by the summer as he gave orders that the bombs could be used at their discretion AFTER August 2...(you know that russian motivator thingy I told you about.) Love how you try to redirect when you lose an argument and just start pulling all this unrelated nonsense out. GRow up. You lost the argument---dropping the bombs was the only sane thing to do--------------it was the best choice and it saved millions of lives by doing so. It gave us leverage over Russia and got them to jump into the WW2 Japan, it forced Japan into unconditional surrender, it got rid of their cult leader as their actual leader and it change Japans attitude making them an ally instead of a constant issue like Korea is where the bombs weren't used and should have been as well.

 

[Unkotare]

...No one cares when Truman was told about the A bombs before he became president---....

You care, because it blows a giant hole in your failed argument.