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[GLASNOST]

Not if they were wrong in the ways they went about it, and if they disrupted your business by doing it in a selfish & wrongful way, then you would be mad.

And wrong way - disruptive - is your definition of wearing socks and not standing when you expect them to?

 

[beagle9]

I would be honored if some protested against police brutality using my business.

Those are the most beautiful words expressed ....... ever!

He wouldn't be honored if they did it against his will. The NFL doesn't sanction such things, nor does it want to be involved I bet, but there it sits all vulnerable and made to be a political whore for these activist now.

 

[beagle9]

Not if they were wrong in the ways they went about it, and if they disrupted your business by doing it in a selfish & wrongful way, then you would be mad.

And wrong way - disruptive - is your definition of wearing socks and not standing when you expect them to?

. You know that things tend to snowball out of control, and the NFL definitely understands this now.

 

[Asclepias]

I would be honored if some protested against police brutality using my business.

Those are the most beautiful words expressed ....... ever!

He wouldn't be honored if they did it against his will. The NFL doesn't sanction such things, nor does it want to be involved I bet, but there it sits all vulnerable and made to be a political whore for these activist now.

Whos will did he do it against? Obviously not the teams or they would have cut him.

 

[Asclepias]

Not if they were wrong in the ways they went about it, and if they disrupted your business by doing it in a selfish & wrongful way, then you would be mad.

And wrong way - disruptive - is your definition of wearing socks and not standing when you expect them to?

. You know that things tend to snowball out of control, and the NFL definitely understands this now.

What are they doing about it?

 

[GLASNOST]

Not if ..... they disrupted your business ..... then you would be mad.

I can think of lots of circumstance where you'd be right ..... but this is a sporting event when the eyes of the fans shouldn't really be focused on the player's socks or who's standing for what reason ... to get a hot dog perhaps?

... nor (my opinion) should political hoopla be flaunted. And to be perfectly frank I see no disruptive factor here, other than what the media would love to create for the purpose of their own business. There is your culprit.

The NFL ....... ...... there it sits all vulnerable and made to be a political whore for these activist now.

The NFL, the games being dotted with american flags, singing and standing for the anthym, is without doubt a political whore for the government.

 

[beagle9]

I would be honored if some protested against police brutality using my business.

Those are the most beautiful words expressed ....... ever!

He wouldn't be honored if they did it against his will. The NFL doesn't sanction such things, nor does it want to be involved I bet, but there it sits all vulnerable and made to be a political whore for these activist now.

Whos will did he do it against? Obviously not the teams or they would have cut him.

. He did these things against the NFL's will, and the sports goers will, but they (the NFL) are to politically frightened & timid to do anything about it these days, and so the snowball begins to grow and grow and grow on them.

 

[GLASNOST]

He did these things against the NFL's will, and the sports goers will, but they (the NFL) are to politically frightened & timid to do anything about it these days, and so the snowball begins to grow and grow and grow on them.

ALL good things (and bad things) started with a 'snowflake' …. and then grew. Kaepernick's complaint is justified, do you deny that? No. You're just unhappy with his method. But even his method is just – legal in any case. This particular, potentially increasing 'snowball' is a worthy cause, a 'good thing'. The fans will find that they are interested enough in sport to take on board Kaepernick's gripe and marvel at his professionalism on the gridiron. There'll be no exodus of the sports enthusiast community. Hallelujah!

 

[beagle9]

Not if ..... they disrupted your business ..... then you would be mad.

I can think of lots of circumstance where you'd be right ..... but this is a sporting event when the eyes of the fans shouldn't really be focused on the player's socks or who's standing for what reason ... to get a hot dog perhaps?

... nor (my opinion) should political hoopla be flaunted. And to be perfectly frank I see no disruptive factor here, other than what the media would love to create for the purpose of their own business. There is your culprit.

The NFL ....... ...... there it sits all vulnerable and made to be a political whore for these activist now.

The NFL, the games being dotted with american flags, singing and standing for the anthym, is without doubt a political whore for the government.

. So to show patriotism in today's America, the people & the NFL are political whores ? I do agree with the right of the player to protest, but it's the choice upon where to make the protest is what I disagree with. Why didn't he get together with his teammates to march on Washington in order to protest what they see as injustices within the law enforcement community in the country ? I know why these players choose to protest from the game maybe.... Is it because they feel as if the game puts on display, and shows their all around character, strength and resolve on an issue ? Otherwise if they couple their protest with their abilities, along with the platform highjacked for the message, then the hope is that the message will be a very powerful message not only in the mental aspect of it, but in the physical aspect of it as well. Add the clueless fans to the factor, and next the media to lift it all up as one, and you get a huge boost in the power up of the message found in it all.

 

[beagle9]

He did these things against the NFL's will, and the sports goers will, but they (the NFL) are to politically frightened & timid to do anything about it these days, and so the snowball begins to grow and grow and grow on them.

ALL good things (and bad things) started with a 'snowflake' …. and then grew. Kaepernick's complaint is justified, do you deny that? No. You're just unhappy with his method. But even his method is just – legal in any case. This particular, potentially increasing 'snowball' is a worthy cause, a 'good thing'. The fans will find that they are interested enough in sport to take on board Kaepernick's gripe and marvel at his professionalism on the gridiron. There'll be no exodus of the sports enthusiast community. Hallelujah!

. Is his disrespect for the flag in which covers all Americans the right move by him (?) because that type of thinking is what led to innocent cops being killed. Why not make the protest more specific, and not lash out at the flag through the anthem in which covers the entire country ? Is he dissatisfied with more than what his supposed protest is about, so he chose the flag in which covers everything he has a gripe about in this country? I think this is why people get enraged about these kinds of protest, because somehow they feel as if they are being dragged into the protest when they have done nothing themselves to be dragged into the situation like that.

 

[GLASNOST]

. So to show patriotism in today's America, the people & the NFL are political whores ?

Political propaganda and the encouragement for patriotism is the exact same stuff the Soviet Union was doing. In the US the 'insistence/requirement' in displaying patriotism is only slightly less menacing than in the USSR ..... but it is growing. The NSA is making sure of that. This makes the population political whores. That's every day life. It only applies to the NFL (and sports in general) when that is incorporated into sporting events. That is exactly what the national anthem and standing for the flag, (hand on the heart) is. This is a text book example of whoring for the government. I lived in Berlin during the Cold War and I've visited every Communist European nation during that time. I am telling you. What the US is becoming is the very same stuff I experienced over there. It's scary.

I do agree with the right of the player to protest, but it's the choice upon where to make the protest is what I disagree with. Why didn't he get together with his teammates to march on Washington in order to protest what they see as injustices within the law enforcement community in the country ?

You already know the answer to this question.

I know why these players choose to protest from the game maybe.... Is it because they feel as if the game puts on display, and shows their all around character, strength and resolve on an issue ? Otherwise if they couple their protest with their abilities, along with the platform highjacked for the message, then the hope is that the message will be a very powerful message not only in the mental aspect of it, but in the physical aspect of it as well. Add the clueless fans to the factor, and next the media to lift it all up as one, and you get a huge boost in the power up of the message found in it all.

....... for example, yes.

 

[GLASNOST]

Is his disrespect for the flag in which covers all Americans the right move by him.

What is the difference between the American flag and a dish rag? The design? I've seen American flag dish rags. Is one worthy of 'respect' and the other not? And what does 'respect' for an object mean, anyway? It's all political propaganda.

Let me turn it round. You tell me what the American flag means to you then I'll tell you what Kaepernick is protesting. Either he doesn't appreciate what it is that the flag means to you, or ............ the flag means the very same thing to him and he's protesting that the nation (and/or the flag) is not living up to those values. Simple.

 

[beagle9]

. So to show patriotism in today's America, the people & the NFL are political whores ?

Political propaganda and the encouragement for patriotism is the exact same stuff the Soviet Union was doing. In the US the 'insistence/requirement' in displaying patriotism is only slightly less menacing than in the USSR ..... but it is growing. The NSA is making sure of that. This makes the population political whores. That's every day life. It only applies to the NFL (and sports in general) when that is incorporated into sporting events. That is exactly what the national anthem and standing for the flag, (hand on the heart) is. This is a text book example of whoring for the government. I lived in Berlin during the Cold War and I've visited every Communist European nation during that time. I am telling you. What the US is becoming is the very same stuff I experienced over there. It's scary.

I do agree with the right of the player to protest, but it's the choice upon where to make the protest is what I disagree with. Why didn't he get together with his teammates to march on Washington in order to protest what they see as injustices within the law enforcement community in the country ?

You already know the answer to this question.

I know why these players choose to protest from the game maybe.... Is it because they feel as if the game puts on display, and shows their all around character, strength and resolve on an issue ? Otherwise if they couple their protest with their abilities, along with the platform highjacked for the message, then the hope is that the message will be a very powerful message not only in the mental aspect of it, but in the physical aspect of it as well. Add the clueless fans to the factor, and next the media to lift it all up as one, and you get a huge boost in the power up of the message found in it all.

....... for example, yes.

. Exhibiting patriotism for ones nation freely is a tradition that most all Americans believe in, (I myself have sat, stood without my hand over my heart, conversated with a friend during, left the arena, sang out of key etc.), but not because I was protesting, but because I get distracted sometimes is all... Respecting the flag that has represented a great history of the nation through out time, is not akin to what goes on in the communist/socialist nations at all because our flag doesn't stand for that, and these players protesting won't change that fact, but that isn't what the issue was at all here. The issue is why the player did what he did, and whether or not the nation agrees with why he used the flag for his protest.. It was as if it goes far beyond the issue at hand when he did so, and the rub is whether he should be able to highjack a platform to do what he did without the permission of the NFL (in this case) prior to his protest. Of course he has the right to do it, but the citizens also have the right to publicly disagree, and the NFL has the right to take action against anyone who uses their platform to promote anything other than the game or it's players without it's permission to do so.

 

[GLASNOST]

Exhibiting patriotism for ones nation freely is a tradition that most all Americans believe in, (I myself have sat, stood without my hand over my heart, conversated with a friend during, left the arena, sang out of key etc.), but not because I was protesting, but because I get distracted sometimes is all... Respecting the flag that has represented a great history of the nation through out time, is not akin to what goes on in the communist/socialist nations at all because our flag doesn't stand for that, and these players protesting won't change that fact, but that isn't what the issue was at all here. The issue is why the player did what he did, and whether or not the nation agrees with why he used the flag for his protest.. It was as if it goes far beyond the issue at hand when he did so, and the rub is whether he should be able to highjack a platform to do what he did without the permission of the NFL (in this case) prior to his protest. Of course he has the right to do it, but the citizens also have the right to publicly disagree, and the NFL has the right to take action against anyone who uses their platform to promote anything other than the game or it's players without it's permission to do so.

I am sorry, but I am having great difficulty finding something in your reply that I can agree with. You seem particularly confused as to this pet notion of yours - 'hijacking'. Here you say, 'the NFL has the right to take action against anyone who uses their platform to promote anything other than the game or it's players'. Are you honestly talking about 'rights' or about something more personal, because if what you say is true, then the NFL have a 'right' to take action against the government that is 'hijacking' the sporting event by 'using the platform to promote something other than the game or it's payers'. These are your own words.

Giving your logic the benefit of the doubt I'll take your statement to be a clean and simple demonstration on the 'rights' of the NFL but not necessarily coaxing them to exercise that 'right'. So whether it be the government or Kaepernick you are not going to stick your neck out and demand the NFL act upon that 'right'. Is that correct?

 

[beagle9]

Exhibiting patriotism for ones nation freely is a tradition that most all Americans believe in, (I myself have sat, stood without my hand over my heart, conversated with a friend during, left the arena, sang out of key etc.), but not because I was protesting, but because I get distracted sometimes is all... Respecting the flag that has represented a great history of the nation through out time, is not akin to what goes on in the communist/socialist nations at all because our flag doesn't stand for that, and these players protesting won't change that fact, but that isn't what the issue was at all here. The issue is why the player did what he did, and whether or not the nation agrees with why he used the flag for his protest.. It was as if it goes far beyond the issue at hand when he did so, and the rub is whether he should be able to highjack a platform to do what he did without the permission of the NFL (in this case) prior to his protest. Of course he has the right to do it, but the citizens also have the right to publicly disagree, and the NFL has the right to take action against anyone who uses their platform to promote anything other than the game or it's players without it's permission to do so.

I am sorry, but I am having great difficulty finding something in your reply that I can agree with. You seem particularly confused as to this pet notion of yours - 'hijacking'. Here you say, 'the NFL has the right to take action against anyone who uses their platform to promote anything other than the game or it's players'. Are you honestly talking about 'rights' or about something more personal, because if what you say is true, then the NFL have a 'right' to take action against the government that is 'hijacking' the sporting event by 'using the platform to promote something other than the game or it's payers'. These are your own words.

Giving your logic the benefit of the doubt I'll take your statement to be a clean and simple demonstration on the 'rights' of the NFL but not necessarily coaxing them to exercise that 'right'. So whether it be the government or Kaepernick you are not going to stick your neck out and demand the NFL act upon that 'right'. Is that correct?

. Why is it that when anyone else stakes a claim to a right or the right to promote their views or their right to privacy, their right to freedom of religion, their right to defend themselves, their right to defend their property, their right to free speech, their right to own and keep their guns, their right to school choice, their right to actually have rights, is now being turned upside down by those who wish to squash others rights in this nation in every way they can, yet they can make or stake a claim to a right to what ever they want to when they want to do it in this nation and that's ok ?

The double standard played by the libs is outrageous these days, but they are somehow getting away with it more and more. I say that if these people can get away with what they do, then so should others who exhibit the same wants and needs just as they do and stake a claim to. This one sided bull crap needs to end in this nation, and this idea of protesting this entire nation based on racial injustice needs to be reviewed, because the laws are there to handle the injustices that take place, and better yet we have had a black president for the last 8 years, and his DOJ was represented by his choosing and leadership, so why the protest instead of trusting in the leadership that was chosen by 90% of the blacks in this nation ?

Is it also a protest against this president and his DOJ for it's corruption and mishandling of it's duties to investigate property these events when they occurred ? I say yes that it is exactly what the protest represents also. Barack actually thinks he is a protestor himself instead of a leader in charge of the justice Dept. and if he doesn't think correctly about his leadership in which has been weak and misdirected, then it explains why we have seen these people take matters into their own hands like we have.

If the justice Dept. would have conducted themselves in a proper way, then it would have satisfied these protestors that justice was served or will be served, and the reasoning for protest would have been none at all afterwards...
The justice Dept. only fans the flames because it's agenda was not to serve the American people regardless of their race under Obama, but instead it was to further Obama's suspicions of white's as a race abusing blacks in this nation, but this is in accordance to his years of conditioning for this way of thinking, otherwise instead of the facts being presented in each case he should have studied based upon those facts, he instead made rookie mistakes therefore stirring up trouble as a result of his careless input and analysis. Hillary is no better, and I think the blacks & whites are seeing this in every race baiting pandering comment her and Bill make.

 

[Synthaholic]

U.S. Veterans Are Coming To Colin Kaepernick's Defense In Droves

#VeteransForKaepernick

All 3 of them !!!!!

You're a fucking moron. Google #VeteransForKaepernick

... and you're a fool who relies on childish name calling and merely regurgitate the latest liberal garbage. Apparently, you are incapable of conscious thought.

Do your research ... WE veterans don't support what Kaepernick did, but we support his right to do it. There are miles of difference.

Stop trying to speak for veterans. You can barely speak for yourself.

 

[GLASNOST]

Why is it that when anyone else stakes a claim to a right or the right to promote their views or their right to privacy, their right to freedom of religion, their right to defend themselves, their right to defend their property, their right to free speech, their right to own and keep their guns, their right to school choice, their right to actually have rights, is now being turned upside down by those who wish to squash others rights in this nation in every way they can, yet they can make or stake a claim to a right to what ever they want to when they want to do it in this nation and that's ok ?

I can't answer your question, but things have been in a bad way for a long, long time in your neck of the woods. And that's not one-sided. I guess the best answer is political corruption. When only a few take all the wealth for themselves then the masses will suffer. Making promises to the population (that they have no intention of keeping) means that they have to 'wing it' and lie through their teeth. I suppose their best defense is blaming it on your countrymen. It's the blacks, it's the whites, it's the Constitution, it's the lack of adherence to the Constitution. It's the Socialists, it's Republicans, it's the Democrats, it's the dishonest (not themselves of course but all the other criminals), it's the liberals, it's the intellectuals, it's the lazy ............. I don't believe everything you said in your intro (above) but it really isn't necessary to believe all of it. I know some of it is true and that's bad enough.

 

[GLASNOST]

Do your research ... WE veterans don't support what Kaepernick did, but we support his right to do it. There are miles of difference.

Stop trying to speak for veterans. You can barely speak for yourself.

I am a veteran and I support Kaepernick.

 

[I amso IR]

I lived in Berlin during the Cold War and I've visited every Communist European nation during that time.

I also am a veteran and I also lived, for five years in West Berlin, during the Cold War. The period I mention was 1961 to 1966. Based upon my experience, I am curious as to how you visited "every" Communist European nation during that that time. I am assuming your years in "Berlin" were not the same years as mine. However, please clarify the statement you made as it was not possible to "visit" every European Communist nation during the period 1961 thru 1966. The furthest one could visit, if you will, was East Berlin, on organized and escorted tours which were a mandatory event, conducted by roster at the Company level and organized by Headquarters Berlin Brigade. Visits indeed!

 

[GLASNOST]

I lived in Berlin during the Cold War and I've visited every Communist European nation during that time.

I also am a veteran and I also lived, for five years in West Berlin, during the Cold War. The period I mention was 1961 to 1966. Based upon my experience, I am curious as to how you visited "every" Communist European nation during that that time. I am assuming your years in "Berlin" were not the same years as mine. However, please clarify the statement you made as it was not possible to "visit" every European Communist nation during the period 1961 thru 1966. The furthest one could visit, if you will, was East Berlin, on organized and escorted tours which were a mandatory event, conducted by roster at the Company level and organized by Headquarters Berlin Brigade. Visits indeed!

I am an Army veteran of the mid 1960's. I lived in Berlin during the mid-to late 1970's as a civilian. As I said, I have travelled to every East block country ….. between the mid-1970's until the fall of the Berlin Wall, either as a resident of Germany or otherwise. Formal visas were required from all of them except the DDR which (as I was a resident of West Berlin) was a minor formality at the border of the 3 transit 'corridors'. I was NEVER compelled to join any 'organized or escorted tour'. I always travelled alone and was free to do anything I wanted. The only restriction that was ever placed upon me was my journey to Leningrad from Finland (1976/77) where I was collected from the Leningrad railway station personally by a man who knew my name and the carriage I was travelling in. He put into an InTourst taxi and handed me over to the desk at my pre-arranged hotel. While in Leningrad however, there were absolutely NO RESTRICTIONS. When I left, the same process was repeated in reverse. What you say about mandatory 'organized and escorted tours' had nothing to do with me. This is either a complete fallacy, or something that was insisted upon from the point of view of your military base. None of the nations of the Eastern Block placed such restrictions on foreign visitors.