The next president of the United States

[beagle9]

because Comrade Putin told you, right?

Funny from a Hillary bot like you.

Did Bill know she was all spiffyed up like that for Putin ?? Looks like she had her best ear rings and necklace on...

She wanted a White Russian......

First ? That's a drink right ?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

because Comrade Putin told you, right?

Funny from a Hillary bot like you.

Did Bill know she was all spiffyed up like that for Putin ?? Looks like she had her best ear rings and necklace on...

She wanted a White Russian......

First ? That's a drink right ?

A play on words...but yes.
I prefer the Colorado BullDog which is similar.

 

[Pogo]

I thought you liked Democrats? You wanted Bernie to win. Bernie supported Hillary.

He had no plausible choice. Going third party would have been suicide.

And I'm not for that with either party. If you are a Dem, be a Dem. If you are a Republican, be a Republican. Don't just jump on board come election time to gain a base with the name and seek their nomination.

Why not? For better or worse running with the Duopoly is THE only way to get elected in this broken system. Your only other option is to pull a George Wallace and try to siphon off enough votes from both sides so that neither gets a 270 and the election gets thrown to the House of Reps. And that means literally undermining the whole election.

Is that really preferable?

Either way while he has an enthusiastic group supporting him, last time he couldn't unseat one of the least liked Democratic candidates in a LONG time... I hope that doesn't change.

Kind of hard to unseat in a rigged system. One word: "superdelegates".

Part is I'm not a Bernie fan.

But the only way he can run as a Democrat is to embrace their ideals. Otherwise if he doesn't he's basically a lame duck in office. Kinda like where Jesse Ventura was when he was governor of Minnesota. So he's just another Dem but on the more extreme side which has no attraction to me.

It’s impossible to know if Sanders would have won a general election against Trump, but if he wasn’t the perfect antithesis to beat him, then why does the current slate of 2020 opponents seem to resemble him so closely? I understand—and love—that when they look in the mirror they don’t see an aged white man, but what they do see in that mirror is his platform. His enthusiasm. His disregard for the establishment. His penchant for change. Much like Hillary Clinton punched deep cracks in the glass ceiling for women (and we may see the result of that in 2020 too), Sanders paved the way for bold progressives across the country.
Bernie Sanders Has Already Won 2020

I guess it's a fools dream for me, but when it comes to politics I would rather see the antithesis to Trump on the fringe extreme to be someone more centered myself.

Pfffffffffffft, Ideals, Shmideals. Political parties are definitely NOT about "ideals". Political parties are a means to an end, and that end is Power. That's it. "Ideals", really? Soon as the wind shifts, there go your "ideals". A political party is in effect the political equivalent of a cartel. Any of us could say "I'm a Democrat" or "I'm a Republican" and it means nothing. Unless your state requires you to be one of those to vote in its primaries (mine does not) but I can't think of any other function it has at all.

There's no law anywhere that says you have to be a "member" ---- whatever that means ---- of a political party to be its candidate. And in Vermont, you don't register with a party anyway, you just friggin' register.

 

[Marion Morrison]

In November 2020 Bernie will be 79 years old. He's already senile, developing Alzheimers and will probably be on life support by that time. Why 18-30 year old voters are infatuated with him is puzzling.

He's only about 5 years older than Trump.

Bernie's doesn't have his mind right. He's a Socialist and could never get elected in America.

Never say never. I surely hope he doesn't, though.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I thought you liked Democrats? You wanted Bernie to win. Bernie supported Hillary.

He had no plausible choice. Going third party would have been suicide.

And I'm not for that with either party. If you are a Dem, be a Dem. If you are a Republican, be a Republican. Don't just jump on board come election time to gain a base with the name and seek their nomination.

Why not? For better or worse running with the Duopoly is THE only way to get elected in this broken system. Your only other option is to pull a George Wallace and try to siphon off enough votes from both sides so that neither gets a 270 and the election gets thrown to the House of Reps. And that means literally undermining the whole election.

Is that really preferable?

Either way while he has an enthusiastic group supporting him, last time he couldn't unseat one of the least liked Democratic candidates in a LONG time... I hope that doesn't change.

Kind of hard to unseat in a rigged system. One word: "superdelegates".

Part is I'm not a Bernie fan.

But the only way he can run as a Democrat is to embrace their ideals. Otherwise if he doesn't he's basically a lame duck in office. Kinda like where Jesse Ventura was when he was governor of Minnesota. So he's just another Dem but on the more extreme side which has no attraction to me.

It’s impossible to know if Sanders would have won a general election against Trump, but if he wasn’t the perfect antithesis to beat him, then why does the current slate of 2020 opponents seem to resemble him so closely? I understand—and love—that when they look in the mirror they don’t see an aged white man, but what they do see in that mirror is his platform. His enthusiasm. His disregard for the establishment. His penchant for change. Much like Hillary Clinton punched deep cracks in the glass ceiling for women (and we may see the result of that in 2020 too), Sanders paved the way for bold progressives across the country.
Bernie Sanders Has Already Won 2020

I guess it's a fools dream for me, but when it comes to politics I would rather see the antithesis to Trump on the fringe extreme to be someone more centered myself.

Pfffffffffffft, Ideals, Shmideals. Political parties are definitely NOT about "ideals". Political parties are a means to an end, and that end is Power. That's it. "Ideals", really? Soon as the wind shifts, there go your "ideals".

There's no law anywhere that says you have to be a "member" ---- whatever that means ---- of a political party to be its candidate. And in Vermont, you don't register with a party anyway, you just friggin' register.

Thank you for confirming it's all about power and to hell with ideals.

 

[the other mike]

I guess it's a fools dream for me, but when it comes to politics I would rather see the antithesis to Trump on the fringe extreme to be someone more centered myself.

If you mean Joe Biden, how is he any different than Hillary ?
They both voted for Bush's wars in the Middle East , and his tax cuts to Wall Street, the Patriot Act, they both loyally worked for Obama, and you can't tell me Wall St & Super PAC money isn't already behind Biden.

 

[Papageorgio]

Does anyone not believe that if Bernie Sanders had joined Jill Stein to form
a real Independent party, or even if he had joined the Green Party, that they would have easily won a 3-way race with Trump and Clinton ? Keep in mind the progressives that hated Hillary and the conservatives who didn't really like Trump. Sanders/Stein 2016 would have gotten the lion's share of votes.

Doubt it.

 

[SandSquid]

Does anyone not believe that if Bernie Sanders had joined Jill Stein to form
a real Independent party, or even if he had joined the Green Party, that they would have easily won a 3-way race with Trump and Clinton ? Keep in mind the progressives that hated Hillary and the conservatives who didn't really like Trump.

Not really. He took the northeast and the northwest from Hillary, but she still beat him well in NY, Cali, Florida, Pennsylvania and Illinois... The big five for him to need. I don't see the solid South, Midwest, Texas or such going for him in a race against Trump. He still gets left way out in my opinion.

And with Jill Stein she doesn't bring him to a more moderate stance to compete either.

Just my thoughts.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Will be Bernie Sanders.
Here he is in Iowa last week already gathering momentum for
an election that's still 20 months away.



You can talk about Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren and Donald Trump all you want, but they don't have what Bernie has....a real enthusiastic following. My biggest hope right now as far as the 2020 election is the he picks Tulsi Gabbard to be VP.

Democrats are already plotting how they'll steal the nomination from Bernie. BTW drawing adoring crowds in the People's Republic of Iowa City is no big feat.

 

[SandSquid]

I guess it's a fools dream for me, but when it comes to politics I would rather see the antithesis to Trump on the fringe extreme to be someone more centered myself.

If you mean Joe Biden, how is he any different than Hillary ?
They both voted for Bush's wars in the Middle East , and his tax cuts to Wall Street, the Patriot Act, they both loyally worked for Obama, and you can't tell me Wall St & Super PAC money isn't already behind Biden.

I wouldnt vote Democrat period to be honest with you unless it was a special candidate. Not sure who that could be. And I probably will go independent this election coming up unless Trump gets a Challenger from his party or someone more middle but who knows.

 

[Pogo]

He had no plausible choice. Going third party would have been suicide.

And I'm not for that with either party. If you are a Dem, be a Dem. If you are a Republican, be a Republican. Don't just jump on board come election time to gain a base with the name and seek their nomination.

Why not? For better or worse running with the Duopoly is THE only way to get elected in this broken system. Your only other option is to pull a George Wallace and try to siphon off enough votes from both sides so that neither gets a 270 and the election gets thrown to the House of Reps. And that means literally undermining the whole election.

Is that really preferable?

Either way while he has an enthusiastic group supporting him, last time he couldn't unseat one of the least liked Democratic candidates in a LONG time... I hope that doesn't change.

Kind of hard to unseat in a rigged system. One word: "superdelegates".

Part is I'm not a Bernie fan.

But the only way he can run as a Democrat is to embrace their ideals. Otherwise if he doesn't he's basically a lame duck in office. Kinda like where Jesse Ventura was when he was governor of Minnesota. So he's just another Dem but on the more extreme side which has no attraction to me.

It’s impossible to know if Sanders would have won a general election against Trump, but if he wasn’t the perfect antithesis to beat him, then why does the current slate of 2020 opponents seem to resemble him so closely? I understand—and love—that when they look in the mirror they don’t see an aged white man, but what they do see in that mirror is his platform. His enthusiasm. His disregard for the establishment. His penchant for change. Much like Hillary Clinton punched deep cracks in the glass ceiling for women (and we may see the result of that in 2020 too), Sanders paved the way for bold progressives across the country.
Bernie Sanders Has Already Won 2020

I guess it's a fools dream for me, but when it comes to politics I would rather see the antithesis to Trump on the fringe extreme to be someone more centered myself.

Pfffffffffffft, Ideals, Shmideals. Political parties are definitely NOT about "ideals". Political parties are a means to an end, and that end is Power. That's it. "Ideals", really? Soon as the wind shifts, there go your "ideals".

There's no law anywhere that says you have to be a "member" ---- whatever that means ---- of a political party to be its candidate. And in Vermont, you don't register with a party anyway, you just friggin' register.

Thank you for confirming it's all about power and to hell with ideals.

I've been saying that for three thousand years. You just wake up?

Ladies and gentlemen, Rip van Winkle.

 

[the other mike]

Not really. He took the northeast and the northwest from Hillary, but she still beat him well in NY, Cali, Florida, Pennsylvania and Illinois... The big five for him to need. I don't see the solid South, Midwest, Texas or such going for him in a race against Trump. He still gets left way out in my opinion.

And with Jill Stein she doesn't bring him to a more moderate stance to compete either.

Just my thoughts.

Well, I talked to people in Texas before Trump was nominated and almost all of them wanted Ted Cruz so, it really came down to hatred for Hillary Clinton. Again, it's all speculation now.

 

[SandSquid]

Will be Bernie Sanders.
Here he is in Iowa last week already gathering momentum for
an election that's still 20 months away.



You can talk about Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren and Donald Trump all you want, but they don't have what Bernie has....a real enthusiastic following. My biggest hope right now as far as the 2020 election is the he picks Tulsi Gabbard to be VP.

Democrats are already plotting how they'll steal the nomination from Bernie. BTW drawing adoring crowds in the People's Republic of Iowa City is no big feat.

Which makes sense. If next cycle Joe Biden says "I'm now running as a republican" with no change to his platforms, I'd hope the Republicans pushed him out the door too. But that's my opinion. You want the party nomination, join the party.

 

[Pogo]

Does anyone not believe that if Bernie Sanders had joined Jill Stein to form
a real Independent party, or even if he had joined the Green Party, that they would have easily won a 3-way race with Trump and Clinton ? Keep in mind the progressives that hated Hillary and the conservatives who didn't really like Trump. Sanders/Stein 2016 would have gotten the lion's share of votes.

Yeah, no. That has literally never happened as long as we've had Duopoly.

 

[SandSquid]

Not really. He took the northeast and the northwest from Hillary, but she still beat him well in NY, Cali, Florida, Pennsylvania and Illinois... The big five for him to need. I don't see the solid South, Midwest, Texas or such going for him in a race against Trump. He still gets left way out in my opinion.

And with Jill Stein she doesn't bring him to a more moderate stance to compete either.

Just my thoughts.

Well, I talked to people in Texas before Trump was nominated and almost all of them wanted Ted Cruz so, it really came down to hatred for Hillary Clinton. Again, it's all speculation now.

Yeah but Hillary won Texas in the primaries among the Dems there by 2:1. So Bernie isn't getting Dem votes. The question is would Texas Republicans vote for him en masse... I just don't see that.

And Cruz was from Texas. If it wasn't Ted it'd be The republican Candidate.

In 2008 Hillary taking NY didn't mean Obama would struggle with a republican candidate

 

[Pogo]

Will be Bernie Sanders.
Here he is in Iowa last week already gathering momentum for
an election that's still 20 months away.



You can talk about Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren and Donald Trump all you want, but they don't have what Bernie has....a real enthusiastic following. My biggest hope right now as far as the 2020 election is the he picks Tulsi Gabbard to be VP.

Democrats are already plotting how they'll steal the nomination from Bernie. BTW drawing adoring crowds in the People's Republic of Iowa City is no big feat.

Which makes sense. If next cycle Joe Biden says "I'm now running as a republican" with no change to his platforms, I'd hope the Republicans pushed him out the door too. But that's my opinion. You want the party nomination, join the party.

Again --- what does that even mean, to "join a party"?

If one runs as, in this case, a "Republican", that means they got the endorsement of the Republican Party. That's all it means. It tells us nothing about the candidate personally.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

The next President of the United States is already sitting in the White House.

So, you'll vote Trump even if he is indicted?

You can't indict a President for winning the election.

 

[Lewdog]

For the next 20 months the Far right radicals will be digging as far as they can, and creating fake conspiracy theories about Sanders. This might be the craziest next 20 months you'll ever see.

All those conspiracy stuff posted about Hillary last election will be a drop in the bucket compared to this next election.

 

[Pogo]

For the next 20 months the Far right radicals will be digging as far as they can, and creating fake conspiracy theories about Sanders. This might be the craziest next 20 months you'll ever see.

All those conspiracy stuff posted about Hillary last election will be a drop in the bucket compared to this next election.

Let's get started.

Ahem, I understand nine hundred million Chinese commies are flying in to vote for Bernie. Also three million Amish.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

The next President of the United States is already sitting in the White House.

So, you'll vote Trump even if he is indicted?

Yep... just to see that look on your face.

I believe you would. You alredy knew the crap he did & you still voted for him.

You be funny.