The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[rylah]

Q. On what basis do Arabs demand exclusive domination over the entire Middle East?

 

[rylah]

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Consent
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: OK, the oldest document listed by you is, the UN Charter 1945. Nothing more binding until when? (RHETORICAL) More than a quarter of a century after Israels Independence. Of the 9 core international human rights instruments, the oldest of these are:

◈ International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination; Entered into Force in 1969​

​

◈ International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights; Entered into Force in 1976​

​

◈ International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights; Entered into Force in 1976​

​

Having said that, I would like to role back to WWII. There is theJoint Declaration of the President of the United States of America (US) and the Prime Minister, Mr. Churchill, representing His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom (UK) (AKA: The Atlantic Charter). This Charter has some very specific declarations. But those declarations are expressly applicable ONLY to the US and UK and only refer to the "desires" of the government and NOT obligations or requirements. I would like to call your attention to three of the eight passages in the declaration (supra):

Second, they desire to see no territorial changes that do not accord with the freely expressed wishes of the peoples concerned;​

​

Third, they respect the right of all peoples to choose the form of government under which they will live; and they wish to see sovereign rights and self government restored to those who have been forcibly deprived of them;​

​

Fourth, they will endeavor, with due respect for their existing obligations, to further the enjoyment by all States, great or small, victor or vanquished, of access, on equal terms, to the trade and to the raw materials of the world which are needed for their economic prosperity;​

When did these various rights the Arab Palestinians come into play?

Excellent question.
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Recognizing that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,

Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

A/RES/3236 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974

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If, as you claim, the Palestinians did not have these rights during the Mandate period. And they did have these rights in 1974 as the UN states.

When, and under what circumstances, did the Palestinians get these rights?

Hmmm!

(COMMENT)
.
It will be exceptionally difficult to define these rights as you have expressed them. This is because the types and kinds of governments very. Rights are phased into effect on the acceptance.

First Generation (human rights) → civil and political,​

​

Second Generation (human rights) → economic and social rights,​

​

Third Generation (human rights) → self-determination and development,​

These three generate groups of rights are exceedingly difficult to define in any universally accepted way. These groups of rights are in the Core Interments for Human Rights (supra). Without these core instruments, you simply cannot define (in any binding way) what is meant by these Rights that does not become subjective and controversial.

Certainly, the Arab Palestinian arguments rely heavily on non-binding interpretations that are not universally the custom in the countries of the Middle East.

Most Respectfully,
R

Simple question.
When, and under what circumstances, did the Palestinians get these rights?

And I get a whole page of non answer.

Your reading comprehension skills are non-functioning.

So, where was the answer?

Are you asking people to prove a fallacy? Nice game there.

I'm still waiting to hear your answer for the international law that vested sovereignty
to any Arab national self determination - in actual law, like ever....

You don't have the answer either.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The question is incomplete. It defaults to ALL rights. No culture gets all its rights all at once.

Who has the authority to hand out rights at certain times?

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Where is the Jew's BDS calling for the right to return?

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

PS: Your question was answered. It was not verbose. I think you just ignore answers that don't fit the Arab Palestinian Agenda.

There is a standard list of inalienable rights for all peoples including the Palestinians per the UN.

The right to self determination without external interference.
When? How?

The right to independence and sovereignty.
When? How?

The right to territorial integrity.
When? How?

 

[rylah]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Consent
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: OK, the oldest document listed by you is, the UN Charter 1945. Nothing more binding until when? (RHETORICAL) More than a quarter of a century after Israels Independence. Of the 9 core international human rights instruments, the oldest of these are:

◈ International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination; Entered into Force in 1969​

​

◈ International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights; Entered into Force in 1976​

​

◈ International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights; Entered into Force in 1976​

​

Having said that, I would like to role back to WWII. There is theJoint Declaration of the President of the United States of America (US) and the Prime Minister, Mr. Churchill, representing His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom (UK) (AKA: The Atlantic Charter). This Charter has some very specific declarations. But those declarations are expressly applicable ONLY to the US and UK and only refer to the "desires" of the government and NOT obligations or requirements. I would like to call your attention to three of the eight passages in the declaration (supra):

Second, they desire to see no territorial changes that do not accord with the freely expressed wishes of the peoples concerned;​

​

Third, they respect the right of all peoples to choose the form of government under which they will live; and they wish to see sovereign rights and self government restored to those who have been forcibly deprived of them;​

​

Fourth, they will endeavor, with due respect for their existing obligations, to further the enjoyment by all States, great or small, victor or vanquished, of access, on equal terms, to the trade and to the raw materials of the world which are needed for their economic prosperity;​

When did these various rights the Arab Palestinians come into play?

Excellent question.
-------------
Recognizing that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,

Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

A/RES/3236 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974

-------------------------
If, as you claim, the Palestinians did not have these rights during the Mandate period. And they did have these rights in 1974 as the UN states.

When, and under what circumstances, did the Palestinians get these rights?

Hmmm!

(COMMENT)
.
It will be exceptionally difficult to define these rights as you have expressed them. This is because the types and kinds of governments very. Rights are phased into effect on the acceptance.

First Generation (human rights) → civil and political,​

​

Second Generation (human rights) → economic and social rights,​

​

Third Generation (human rights) → self-determination and development,​

These three generate groups of rights are exceedingly difficult to define in any universally accepted way. These groups of rights are in the Core Interments for Human Rights (supra). Without these core instruments, you simply cannot define (in any binding way) what is meant by these Rights that does not become subjective and controversial.

Certainly, the Arab Palestinian arguments rely heavily on non-binding interpretations that are not universally the custom in the countries of the Middle East.

Most Respectfully,
R

Simple question.
When, and under what circumstances, did the Palestinians get these rights?

And I get a whole page of non answer.

Your reading comprehension skills are non-functioning.

So, where was the answer?

Are you asking people to prove a fallacy? Nice game there.

I'm still waiting to hear your answer for the international law that vested sovereignty
to any Arab national self determination - in actual law, like ever....

You don't have the answer either.

The answer is never,
that's why you can't provide a proof for that in law.

No Arab nation has or ever had any legal right to sovereignty in Palestine/E.Y.

 

[rylah]

Where is the Jew's BDS calling for the right to return?

Link?

Sure we return, doubt not, only this time in the royal grab,
beware of what you're asking of these dhimmis...




Regarding your bds-hole friends,
here, even volunteering to clean the streets for our parade...
a thing they never do even for themselves, so that part is covered
.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinians, Israelis, 1948, & Now: Researching, Teaching, and Asserting the Reality of the Nakba​

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Consent
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: OK, the oldest document listed by you is, the UN Charter 1945. Nothing more binding until when? (RHETORICAL) More than a quarter of a century after Israels Independence. Of the 9 core international human rights instruments, the oldest of these are:

◈ International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination; Entered into Force in 1969​

​

◈ International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights; Entered into Force in 1976​

​

◈ International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights; Entered into Force in 1976​

​

Having said that, I would like to role back to WWII. There is theJoint Declaration of the President of the United States of America (US) and the Prime Minister, Mr. Churchill, representing His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom (UK) (AKA: The Atlantic Charter). This Charter has some very specific declarations. But those declarations are expressly applicable ONLY to the US and UK and only refer to the "desires" of the government and NOT obligations or requirements. I would like to call your attention to three of the eight passages in the declaration (supra):

Second, they desire to see no territorial changes that do not accord with the freely expressed wishes of the peoples concerned;​

​

Third, they respect the right of all peoples to choose the form of government under which they will live; and they wish to see sovereign rights and self government restored to those who have been forcibly deprived of them;​

​

Fourth, they will endeavor, with due respect for their existing obligations, to further the enjoyment by all States, great or small, victor or vanquished, of access, on equal terms, to the trade and to the raw materials of the world which are needed for their economic prosperity;​

When did these various rights the Arab Palestinians come into play?

Excellent question.
-------------
Recognizing that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,

Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

A/RES/3236 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974

-------------------------
If, as you claim, the Palestinians did not have these rights during the Mandate period. And they did have these rights in 1974 as the UN states.

When, and under what circumstances, did the Palestinians get these rights?

Hmmm!

(COMMENT)
.
It will be exceptionally difficult to define these rights as you have expressed them. This is because the types and kinds of governments very. Rights are phased into effect on the acceptance.

First Generation (human rights) → civil and political,​

​

Second Generation (human rights) → economic and social rights,​

​

Third Generation (human rights) → self-determination and development,​

These three generate groups of rights are exceedingly difficult to define in any universally accepted way. These groups of rights are in the Core Interments for Human Rights (supra). Without these core instruments, you simply cannot define (in any binding way) what is meant by these Rights that does not become subjective and controversial.

Certainly, the Arab Palestinian arguments rely heavily on non-binding interpretations that are not universally the custom in the countries of the Middle East.

Most Respectfully,
R

Simple question.
When, and under what circumstances, did the Palestinians get these rights?

And I get a whole page of non answer.

Your reading comprehension skills are non-functioning.

So, where was the answer?

Are you asking people to prove a fallacy? Nice game there.

I'm still waiting to hear your answer for the international law that vested sovereignty
to any Arab national self determination - in actual law, like ever....

You don't have the answer either.

The answer is never,
that's why you can't provide a proof for that in law.

No Arab nation has or ever had any legal right to sovereignty in Palestine/E.Y.

Yeah, yeah, Israeli talking point.

 

[rylah]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Consent
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: OK, the oldest document listed by you is, the UN Charter 1945. Nothing more binding until when? (RHETORICAL) More than a quarter of a century after Israels Independence. Of the 9 core international human rights instruments, the oldest of these are:

◈ International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination; Entered into Force in 1969​

​

◈ International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights; Entered into Force in 1976​

​

◈ International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights; Entered into Force in 1976​

​

Having said that, I would like to role back to WWII. There is theJoint Declaration of the President of the United States of America (US) and the Prime Minister, Mr. Churchill, representing His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom (UK) (AKA: The Atlantic Charter). This Charter has some very specific declarations. But those declarations are expressly applicable ONLY to the US and UK and only refer to the "desires" of the government and NOT obligations or requirements. I would like to call your attention to three of the eight passages in the declaration (supra):

Second, they desire to see no territorial changes that do not accord with the freely expressed wishes of the peoples concerned;​

​

Third, they respect the right of all peoples to choose the form of government under which they will live; and they wish to see sovereign rights and self government restored to those who have been forcibly deprived of them;​

​

Fourth, they will endeavor, with due respect for their existing obligations, to further the enjoyment by all States, great or small, victor or vanquished, of access, on equal terms, to the trade and to the raw materials of the world which are needed for their economic prosperity;​

When did these various rights the Arab Palestinians come into play?

Excellent question.
-------------
Recognizing that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,

Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

A/RES/3236 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974

-------------------------
If, as you claim, the Palestinians did not have these rights during the Mandate period. And they did have these rights in 1974 as the UN states.

When, and under what circumstances, did the Palestinians get these rights?

Hmmm!

(COMMENT)
.
It will be exceptionally difficult to define these rights as you have expressed them. This is because the types and kinds of governments very. Rights are phased into effect on the acceptance.

First Generation (human rights) → civil and political,​

​

Second Generation (human rights) → economic and social rights,​

​

Third Generation (human rights) → self-determination and development,​

These three generate groups of rights are exceedingly difficult to define in any universally accepted way. These groups of rights are in the Core Interments for Human Rights (supra). Without these core instruments, you simply cannot define (in any binding way) what is meant by these Rights that does not become subjective and controversial.

Certainly, the Arab Palestinian arguments rely heavily on non-binding interpretations that are not universally the custom in the countries of the Middle East.

Most Respectfully,
R

Simple question.
When, and under what circumstances, did the Palestinians get these rights?

And I get a whole page of non answer.

Your reading comprehension skills are non-functioning.

So, where was the answer?

Are you asking people to prove a fallacy? Nice game there.

I'm still waiting to hear your answer for the international law that vested sovereignty
to any Arab national self determination - in actual law, like ever....

You don't have the answer either.

The answer is never,
that's why you can't provide a proof for that in law.

No Arab nation has or ever had any legal right to sovereignty in Palestine/E.Y.

Yeah, yeah, Israeli talking point.

Thanks again for admitting you have no factual argument.

Yet for the last 10 years you've been demanding us to prove otherwise but can't yourself -
because there was no Arab nation that ever had or can have,
any legal right to sovereignty in Palestine/E.Y.


Simple.

 

[rylah]

UAE Writer Criticizes Expulsion of Jews From Arab Countries: ‘We Failed to Learn the Lesson of History’

"This hatred will therefore continue to exist, so long as our heritage [text]books continue to incite hatred against the Jews."

jewishjournal.com

 

[rylah]

Jewish Persecution in Syria

Jews in Syria suffered some of the worst oppression under Muslim rule of any of the ancient Jewish communities - who existed in the Middle East even before the Muslim conquests in the region. This is their story, a story of struggle and oppression, for which reparations have not been made to this day by Syria or the Arab League.

As we lead up to the memorial day for the Jewish refugees from Arab countries, we share the stories of the ancient Jewish communities who were virtually wiped out by racism, extremism and violence in the Middle East.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Consent
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

INTRODUCTION: When you argue that this UN Document or that UN Document records the Right of This or That, just who are you using as an authority?

When you wrote in Posting 1264 that "Understood in the context of international law, such a statement must have meant that a “national home for the Jewish people” who are you stating as an authority.

When you wrote in Posting 1264 "The ICJ described the League of Nations mandates as “created, in the interests of the inhabitants of the Territory" who are you using as an authority.

(THE SHORT ANSWER)

Customary and International Law, Legal Citations, and the legal force of such agreements and conventions concluded between States in written form and governed by international law, is an unscripted and decentralized process derivative of the entirety of the International Community. The Authority may even be an unwritten but accepted practices.

The question is incomplete. It defaults to ALL rights. No culture gets all its rights all at once.

Who has the authority to hand out rights at certain times?

(COMMENT)
.
In the case of Human Rights and Humanitarian Law are recorded and archived for general "future" use. But it must be remembered that the Core Rights are given by the Conventions that the nations agree to be bound.

The Statute of the International Court of Justice (ICJ, Chapter II Competence of the Court, Article 38) identifies five sources law:

a. International conventions, whether general or particular, establishing rules expressly recognized by the contesting states;​

​

b. International custom, as evidence of a general practice accepted as law;​

​

c. The general principles of law recognized by civilized nations ;​

​

d. Subject to the provisions of Article 59, judicial decisions and the teachings of the most highly qualified publicists of the various nations, as subsidiary means for the determination of rules of law.​

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I find it amusing that you have cited so many documents pertaining to Arab Palestinians, yet challenge the recognition of rights. You have even cited the Resolutions (of which there are several) that allow the Palestinians to use "any and all means" to justify their terrorist acts. And there are some Rights that you disavow such as the Right to Self-Defense. Sticking the prefix or suffix of "Right" does not make it a "Right" under the Rule of Law.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]

Given this, Kurz’s celebration of the Israeli flag in the Austrian capital bears a unique and profound poetry. For it can be said that it was Vienna where the roots of Nazism can first be found; moreover, it was the unique anti-Semitism of Vienna that was part of what inspired Zionism in the first place. By all accounts, it is Austria’s history that drives Kurz’s pro-Israel posture today, and we too must understand his country’s past if we are to appreciate the meaning of what he has done in the present.

In 1895, Theodore Herzl, working as a journalist in Paris, returned home to Vienna and found the city in the midst of a mayoral election that would be won by the charismatic Karl Lueger, known to his admirers as “Der Schone Karl.” Lueger would come to be seen as the man who would change Vienna, reconfigure it into an embodiment of modernity, technology, and beautiful gardens, which is why he is celebrated to this day in the city’s Karl Lueger Square.

But Lueger would herald the coming 20th century in another, more ominous manner: He demagogically described the Jews as a cabal controlling Europe and as the central threat facing European civilization. “The influence of the masses,” Lueger inveighed in one speech, “is in the hands of the Jews, the greater part of the press is in their hands, by far the largest part of all capital and, in particular high finance, is in Jewish hands, and in this respect the Jews operate a terrorism that could hardly be worse.” Austria’s goal, Lueger argued, must be “liberating Christian people from the hegemony of Jewry.”

​

Lueger’s anti-Semitic diatribes earned him the adulation of the Austrian masses, among them a young man by the name of Adolf Hitler who studied in Vienna during the mayor’s administration. Hitler would cite Lueger as his role model and make special mention of Der Schone Karl in his own memoir, Mein Kampf: “I regard this man as the greatest German mayor of all time. If Dr. Karl Lueger had lived in Germany, he would have been ranked among the great minds of our people.” Knowing this lends an extraordinarily eerie perspective to Herzl’s own description in his diary of Karl Lueger on the hustings:
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Thus it can be said that, in 1895, Vienna’s leader taught Hitler his insidious craft and also inspired Herzl’s Zionist dream. Others had already written of a restored Jewish society, but Herzl became convinced that only as a genuinely political movement could Zionism succeed. “What,” Herzl wrote immediately after Lueger’s election, “is a flag? A pole and a piece of cloth? No Sir. A flag is greater than this. With a flag people are led to where you want, even to the chosen land. For a flag, people live and die. It is the one thing people are willing to die for.”

(full article online)

How Chancellor Kurz Redeemed Vienna

As Hamas fired missile after missile into Israel, the Internet was inundated with celebrity condemnations of the Jewish state and misinformation from the media. Yet one pro-Israel image strikingly stood

www.commentarymagazine.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

One of the el-Husseinis, Haj Amin, who emerged as the leading figure in Palestinian politics during the mandate period, first began to organize small groups of suicide groups, fedayeen (“one who sacrifices himself”), to terrorize Jews in 1919 in the hope of duplicating the success of Kemal in Turkey and drive the Jews out of Palestine, just as the Turkish nationalists were driving the Greeks from Turkey. The first large Arab riots took place in Jerusalem in the intermediary days of Passover, April 1920. The Jewish community had anticipated the Arab reaction to the Allies’ convention and was ready to meet it. Jewish affairs in Palestine were then being administered from Jerusalem by the Vaad Hatzirim (Council of Delegates), appointed by the World Zionist Organization (WZO) (which became the Jewish Agency in 1929). The Vaad Hatzirim charged Ze’ev (Vladimir) Jabotinsky with the task of organizing Jewish self-defense. Jabotinsky was one of the founders of the Jewish battalions, which had served in the British Army during the First World War and had participated in the conquest of Palestine from the Turks. Acting under the auspices of the Vaad Hatzirim, Jabotinsky lead the Haganah(self-defense) organization in Jerusalem, which succeeded in repelling the Arab attack. Six Jews were killed and some 200 injured in Jerusalem in the course of the 1920 riots. In addition, two Americans, Jakov Tucker and Ze’ev Scharff, both WWI veterans, were killed resisting an Arab attack on the Jewish settlement of Tel Hai in March 1920. Had it not been for the preliminary organization of Jewish defense, the number of victims would have undoubtedly been much greater.

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The Arabs found rioting to be a very effective political tool because the British attitude toward violence against Jews, and their response to the riots, encouraged more outbreaks of violence. In each riot, the British would make little or no effort to prevent the Arabs from attacking the Jews. After each incident, a commission of inquiry would try to establish the cause of the riot. The conclusions were always the same: the Arabs were afraid of being displaced by Jewish immigrants. To stop the disturbances, the commissions routinely recommended that restrictions be made on Jewish immigration.

(full article online)

Arab Riots of the 1920’s

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

 

[P F Tinmore]

One of the el-Husseinis, Haj Amin, who emerged as the leading figure in Palestinian politics during the mandate period, first began to organize small groups of suicide groups, fedayeen (“one who sacrifices himself”), to terrorize Jews in 1919 in the hope of duplicating the success of Kemal in Turkey and drive the Jews out of Palestine, just as the Turkish nationalists were driving the Greeks from Turkey. The first large Arab riots took place in Jerusalem in the intermediary days of Passover, April 1920. The Jewish community had anticipated the Arab reaction to the Allies’ convention and was ready to meet it. Jewish affairs in Palestine were then being administered from Jerusalem by the Vaad Hatzirim (Council of Delegates), appointed by the World Zionist Organization (WZO) (which became the Jewish Agency in 1929). The Vaad Hatzirim charged Ze’ev (Vladimir) Jabotinsky with the task of organizing Jewish self-defense. Jabotinsky was one of the founders of the Jewish battalions, which had served in the British Army during the First World War and had participated in the conquest of Palestine from the Turks. Acting under the auspices of the Vaad Hatzirim, Jabotinsky lead the Haganah(self-defense) organization in Jerusalem, which succeeded in repelling the Arab attack. Six Jews were killed and some 200 injured in Jerusalem in the course of the 1920 riots. In addition, two Americans, Jakov Tucker and Ze’ev Scharff, both WWI veterans, were killed resisting an Arab attack on the Jewish settlement of Tel Hai in March 1920. Had it not been for the preliminary organization of Jewish defense, the number of victims would have undoubtedly been much greater.

---------------
The Arabs found rioting to be a very effective political tool because the British attitude toward violence against Jews, and their response to the riots, encouraged more outbreaks of violence. In each riot, the British would make little or no effort to prevent the Arabs from attacking the Jews. After each incident, a commission of inquiry would try to establish the cause of the riot. The conclusions were always the same: the Arabs were afraid of being displaced by Jewish immigrants. To stop the disturbances, the commissions routinely recommended that restrictions be made on Jewish immigration.

(full article online)

Arab Riots of the 1920’s

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

After each incident, a commission of inquiry would try to establish the cause of the riot. The conclusions were always the same: the Arabs were afraid of being displaced by Jewish immigrants.

Indeed, the Palestinian's actions have always been defensive.

 

[rylah]

One of the el-Husseinis, Haj Amin, who emerged as the leading figure in Palestinian politics during the mandate period, first began to organize small groups of suicide groups, fedayeen (“one who sacrifices himself”), to terrorize Jews in 1919 in the hope of duplicating the success of Kemal in Turkey and drive the Jews out of Palestine, just as the Turkish nationalists were driving the Greeks from Turkey. The first large Arab riots took place in Jerusalem in the intermediary days of Passover, April 1920. The Jewish community had anticipated the Arab reaction to the Allies’ convention and was ready to meet it. Jewish affairs in Palestine were then being administered from Jerusalem by the Vaad Hatzirim (Council of Delegates), appointed by the World Zionist Organization (WZO) (which became the Jewish Agency in 1929). The Vaad Hatzirim charged Ze’ev (Vladimir) Jabotinsky with the task of organizing Jewish self-defense. Jabotinsky was one of the founders of the Jewish battalions, which had served in the British Army during the First World War and had participated in the conquest of Palestine from the Turks. Acting under the auspices of the Vaad Hatzirim, Jabotinsky lead the Haganah(self-defense) organization in Jerusalem, which succeeded in repelling the Arab attack. Six Jews were killed and some 200 injured in Jerusalem in the course of the 1920 riots. In addition, two Americans, Jakov Tucker and Ze’ev Scharff, both WWI veterans, were killed resisting an Arab attack on the Jewish settlement of Tel Hai in March 1920. Had it not been for the preliminary organization of Jewish defense, the number of victims would have undoubtedly been much greater.

---------------
The Arabs found rioting to be a very effective political tool because the British attitude toward violence against Jews, and their response to the riots, encouraged more outbreaks of violence. In each riot, the British would make little or no effort to prevent the Arabs from attacking the Jews. After each incident, a commission of inquiry would try to establish the cause of the riot. The conclusions were always the same: the Arabs were afraid of being displaced by Jewish immigrants. To stop the disturbances, the commissions routinely recommended that restrictions be made on Jewish immigration.

(full article online)

Arab Riots of the 1920’s

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

After each incident, a commission of inquiry would try to establish the cause of the riot. The conclusions were always the same: the Arabs were afraid of being displaced by Jewish immigrants.

Indeed, the Palestinian's actions have always been defensive.

Except that lie doesn't work to excuse the Arab pogroms
against local Jews prior to that.

By using the term "Palestinians" to exclude all Jews and everything on them
- indeed, you have perfectly revealed your racist bias,
and the exact cause of Arab defeat.

 

[P F Tinmore]

One of the el-Husseinis, Haj Amin, who emerged as the leading figure in Palestinian politics during the mandate period, first began to organize small groups of suicide groups, fedayeen (“one who sacrifices himself”), to terrorize Jews in 1919 in the hope of duplicating the success of Kemal in Turkey and drive the Jews out of Palestine, just as the Turkish nationalists were driving the Greeks from Turkey. The first large Arab riots took place in Jerusalem in the intermediary days of Passover, April 1920. The Jewish community had anticipated the Arab reaction to the Allies’ convention and was ready to meet it. Jewish affairs in Palestine were then being administered from Jerusalem by the Vaad Hatzirim (Council of Delegates), appointed by the World Zionist Organization (WZO) (which became the Jewish Agency in 1929). The Vaad Hatzirim charged Ze’ev (Vladimir) Jabotinsky with the task of organizing Jewish self-defense. Jabotinsky was one of the founders of the Jewish battalions, which had served in the British Army during the First World War and had participated in the conquest of Palestine from the Turks. Acting under the auspices of the Vaad Hatzirim, Jabotinsky lead the Haganah(self-defense) organization in Jerusalem, which succeeded in repelling the Arab attack. Six Jews were killed and some 200 injured in Jerusalem in the course of the 1920 riots. In addition, two Americans, Jakov Tucker and Ze’ev Scharff, both WWI veterans, were killed resisting an Arab attack on the Jewish settlement of Tel Hai in March 1920. Had it not been for the preliminary organization of Jewish defense, the number of victims would have undoubtedly been much greater.

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The Arabs found rioting to be a very effective political tool because the British attitude toward violence against Jews, and their response to the riots, encouraged more outbreaks of violence. In each riot, the British would make little or no effort to prevent the Arabs from attacking the Jews. After each incident, a commission of inquiry would try to establish the cause of the riot. The conclusions were always the same: the Arabs were afraid of being displaced by Jewish immigrants. To stop the disturbances, the commissions routinely recommended that restrictions be made on Jewish immigration.

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Arab Riots of the 1920’s

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After each incident, a commission of inquiry would try to establish the cause of the riot. The conclusions were always the same: the Arabs were afraid of being displaced by Jewish immigrants.

Indeed, the Palestinian's actions have always been defensive.

Except that lie doesn't work to excuse the Arab pogroms
against local Jews prior to that.

By using the term "Palestinians" to exclude all Jews and everything on them
- indeed, you have perfectly revealed your racist bias,
and the exact cause of Arab defeat.

Palestinian meant everybody. It was the Jews who wanted to cut themselves out into a separate category.

 

[rylah]

One of the el-Husseinis, Haj Amin, who emerged as the leading figure in Palestinian politics during the mandate period, first began to organize small groups of suicide groups, fedayeen (“one who sacrifices himself”), to terrorize Jews in 1919 in the hope of duplicating the success of Kemal in Turkey and drive the Jews out of Palestine, just as the Turkish nationalists were driving the Greeks from Turkey. The first large Arab riots took place in Jerusalem in the intermediary days of Passover, April 1920. The Jewish community had anticipated the Arab reaction to the Allies’ convention and was ready to meet it. Jewish affairs in Palestine were then being administered from Jerusalem by the Vaad Hatzirim (Council of Delegates), appointed by the World Zionist Organization (WZO) (which became the Jewish Agency in 1929). The Vaad Hatzirim charged Ze’ev (Vladimir) Jabotinsky with the task of organizing Jewish self-defense. Jabotinsky was one of the founders of the Jewish battalions, which had served in the British Army during the First World War and had participated in the conquest of Palestine from the Turks. Acting under the auspices of the Vaad Hatzirim, Jabotinsky lead the Haganah(self-defense) organization in Jerusalem, which succeeded in repelling the Arab attack. Six Jews were killed and some 200 injured in Jerusalem in the course of the 1920 riots. In addition, two Americans, Jakov Tucker and Ze’ev Scharff, both WWI veterans, were killed resisting an Arab attack on the Jewish settlement of Tel Hai in March 1920. Had it not been for the preliminary organization of Jewish defense, the number of victims would have undoubtedly been much greater.

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The Arabs found rioting to be a very effective political tool because the British attitude toward violence against Jews, and their response to the riots, encouraged more outbreaks of violence. In each riot, the British would make little or no effort to prevent the Arabs from attacking the Jews. After each incident, a commission of inquiry would try to establish the cause of the riot. The conclusions were always the same: the Arabs were afraid of being displaced by Jewish immigrants. To stop the disturbances, the commissions routinely recommended that restrictions be made on Jewish immigration.

(full article online)

Arab Riots of the 1920’s

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

After each incident, a commission of inquiry would try to establish the cause of the riot. The conclusions were always the same: the Arabs were afraid of being displaced by Jewish immigrants.

Indeed, the Palestinian's actions have always been defensive.

Except that lie doesn't work to excuse the Arab pogroms
against local Jews prior to that.

By using the term "Palestinians" to exclude all Jews and everything on them
- indeed, you have perfectly revealed your racist bias,
and the exact cause of Arab defeat.

Palestinian meant everybody. It was the Jews who wanted to cut themselves out into a separate category.

At least you're not denying - the use of the term 'Palestinian' is to exclude Jews collectively.

It's just a question as to who actually didn't want others to be equal that remains,
and who used violence as means to keep it that way initially.

Q .So the Jews WANTED to be expelled from all their holly cities by the Arabs,
is that how you explain the Jihad prior to Zionism?