The new term for Teabaggers

[Meister]

Please define the word liberals at the time of the first tea party.
Please define liberals as it is today?
Big difference, and I'm really surprised that the genius cold would even give you a thanks on your post. But, birds of a feather......

In your questions (directed to another member), 'liberals' at the first tea party were in fact those freedom loving, independent minded people who were exercising what they believed to be their God-given unalienable right to self-determination. They were the 'classical liberals', the original liberals. Their core philosophy was this (adapted from Wiki):

Classical liberalism (also known as traditional liberalism[1], laissez-faire liberalism[2], and market liberalism[3] or, outside the United States and Britain, sometimes simply liberalism is a doctrine stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government. This includes the importance of human rationality, individual property rights, natural rights, the protection of civil liberties, individual freedom from restraint, equality under the law, constitutional limitation of government, free markets, and a gold standard to place fiscal constraints on government as exemplified in the writings of John Locke, Adam Smith, David Hume, David Ricardo, Voltaire, Montesquieu and others.

In other words they embraced a philosophy common among modern American conservatives.

Modern liberals used to call themselves 'progressives' back in Teddy Roosevelt's day. Roosevelt himself embraced more progressive philosophy than some realize and was integral in starting the trend of big, all invasive government, that we now (cough) enjoy. Such a trend proved to be unpopular and at some point people no longer wanted to be identified as 'progressives' and renamed themselves 'liberals'. And when the history faded about that, and the term 'liberal' fell into disrepute, they reclaimed the term 'progressive' or 'leftists'. But they'll soon think nobody will know what a 'liberal' is either and will return to that. It's all the same stuff.

Conservatives generally know who they are and freely admit what they are about. Many liberals can't even explain what they are about, and seem to be a bit ashamed of it which is maybe why they seem so desperate to discredit and/or smear anybody who doesn't embrace it.

Exactly, Foxfyre.

Any poli-sci major should have known this.
Todays Tea Party mentality is pretty much the same as was during the first Tea Party.

 

[rightwinger]

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Any poli-sci major should have known this.
Todays Tea Party mentality is pretty much the same as was during the first Tea Party.

Are you guys really that delusional? You think these well fed, spoiled, middle class conservatives equates to the justified rage of our founding fathers?

Just because you wear funny hats does not make you a Patriot

 

[Foxfyre]

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Any poli-sci major should have known this.
Todays Tea Party mentality is pretty much the same as was during the first Tea Party.

Are you guys really that delusional? You think these well fed, spoiled, middle class conservatives equates to the justified rage of our founding fathers?

Just because you wear funny hats does not make you a Patriot

Nor does trying to insult, discredit, or diminish people who are exercising their Constitutionally protected right of free speech to promote honesty, integrity, effectiveness, and efficiency in their government while promoting their Constitutionally protected unalienable rights.

From the Gospel according to Foxfyre (Poli-sci minor - no major, so I'm probably disqualified)

 

[SFC Ollie]

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Any poli-sci major should have known this.
Todays Tea Party mentality is pretty much the same as was during the first Tea Party.

Are you guys really that delusional? You think these well fed, spoiled, middle class conservatives equates to the justified rage of our founding fathers?

Just because you wear funny hats does not make you a Patriot

Is that what you think all the Tea Party members are? Talk about narrow minded and ignorant of facts.....

 

[rightwinger]

Nor does trying to insult, discredit, or diminish people who are exercising their Constitutionally protected right of free speech to promote honesty, integrity, effectiveness, and efficiency in their government while promoting their Constitutionally protected unalienable rights.

WOW! These are the same Tea Baggers who arrived at town meetings armed with automatic rifles? The same Tea Baggers who shout down anyone daring to voice their own opinions?
The same TeaBaggers who continually interrupt speakers who are trying to explain their position?

This is their interpretation of "Constitutionally protected right of free speech"??
Is denying free speech to others, free speech?

 

[elvis]

Nor does trying to insult, discredit, or diminish people who are exercising their Constitutionally protected right of free speech to promote honesty, integrity, effectiveness, and efficiency in their government while promoting their Constitutionally protected unalienable rights.

WOW! These are the same Tea Baggers who arrived at town meetings armed with automatic rifles? The same Tea Baggers who shout down anyone daring to voice their own opinions?
The same TeaBaggers who continually interrupt speakers who are trying to explain their position?

This is their interpretation of "Constitutionally protected right of free speech"??
Is denying free speech to others, free speech?

Ask the black panthers at the obama rallies.

 

[Oldandtired]

Nor does trying to insult, discredit, or diminish people who are exercising their Constitutionally protected right of free speech to promote honesty, integrity, effectiveness, and efficiency in their government while promoting their Constitutionally protected unalienable rights.

WOW! These are the same Tea Baggers who arrived at town meetings armed with automatic rifles? The same Tea Baggers who shout down anyone daring to voice their own opinions?
The same TeaBaggers who continually interrupt speakers who are trying to explain their position?

This is their interpretation of "Constitutionally protected right of free speech"??
Is denying free speech to others, free speech?

What do you do....make this crap up?
Or are you so wrapped up in the media, yousimply regurgitate what they tell you?

Thousadns upon thousands...and you refer to the small percentage of "far right" individuals.

Like in NYC in April. Over 10K people there...and I saw az total of 3 signs that were "off color".....

And what was on the local news that night?

"a small gathering of several hundred in Manhattan"...

and what did they show? 2 still shots....both of two of the three signs I saw.

Not a single mention of the thousands of normal individuals there....

Heck...they didnt even show a crowd shot.
So I guess ALL hockey fans are rude and obscene becuase of the few that toss beer from the blue seats.

 

[Vanquish]

The argument in the above post is either

1. two wrongs make a right
2. gotta fight fire with fire
3. the ends justify the means

all of which are pretty ignorant.

It's amazing to me that the teabaggers who shout people down (I've seen it here in Montgomery, Alabama) and wont listen to explanations think that their moral outrage justifies uncivil behavior. Hell, it's ridiculous that they think they're the only one who might be morally outraged.

90% (unscientific number) have no idea what socialism or fascism is...but they hurl that insult like it's going out of style. I have to say, neither side is 100% correct, but the redneck teaparty people in my state are ignorant, bullheaded, and threaten to hurt America by not attempting to compromise on anything in defiance of reality.

 

[Foxfyre]

Nor does trying to insult, discredit, or diminish people who are exercising their Constitutionally protected right of free speech to promote honesty, integrity, effectiveness, and efficiency in their government while promoting their Constitutionally protected unalienable rights.

WOW! These are the same Tea Baggers who arrived at town meetings armed with automatic rifles? The same Tea Baggers who shout down anyone daring to voice their own opinions?
The same TeaBaggers who continually interrupt speakers who are trying to explain their position?

This is their interpretation of "Constitutionally protected right of free speech"??
Is denying free speech to others, free speech?

Ask the black panthers at the obama rallies.

Not to mention the SEIU members employed by leftwing townhall organizers to shove and herd any protesters out of the meetings. And numerous other similar incidents.

I am becoming more and more convinced that rabid leftwingers think the First Amendment was written only for them, and anybody else who exercises their First Amendment rights are stupid, ignorant, extremist, radical, hatemongers, or pick your uncomplimentary adjective of choice.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know......I went to the teabagger rally here in Amarillo when the Tea Party Express blew through town.

Why? I wanted to see who they were.

Me? I wore my sandals, camo pants from when I was Security Force in the Navy, and a tie dye shirt with a big peace symbol on the front, and also was wearing my Aussie Outback hat.

Didn't see another person that looked even close to me. All of them were wearing button down shirts, nice thermal vests, some were wearing polo shirts, and the pants were jeans and kahkis.

All of them looked like people who would earn over 250,000/yr. No, I didn't see any "average americans' over in Amarillo, and yes, lots of their signs were kinda fucked up.

So no, take your bullshit about the tea party asses being just like everyone else and shove it up your collective asses.

I've yet to see anyone even remotely close to me and my friends show up there.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Just checked my pics and went to a few sites on line. I saw blue jeans, baseball caps, tennis shoes, work boots, Military jackets, tee shirts, just about everything you would expect to see anywhere. I guess some people only see what they want to see.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Were you here in Amarillo Army Bag Lady Ollie?

 

[rightwinger]

Nor does trying to insult, discredit, or diminish people who are exercising their Constitutionally protected right of free speech to promote honesty, integrity, effectiveness, and efficiency in their government while promoting their Constitutionally protected unalienable rights.

WOW! These are the same Tea Baggers who arrived at town meetings armed with automatic rifles? The same Tea Baggers who shout down anyone daring to voice their own opinions?
The same TeaBaggers who continually interrupt speakers who are trying to explain their position?

This is their interpretation of "Constitutionally protected right of free speech"??
Is denying free speech to others, free speech?

Ask the black panthers at the obama rallies.

Get your facts straight....There were no Black Panthers at Obama rallies....nice try though

 

[Oldandtired]

You know......I went to the teabagger rally here in Amarillo when the Tea Party Express blew through town.

Why? I wanted to see who they were.

Me? I wore my sandals, camo pants from when I was Security Force in the Navy, and a tie dye shirt with a big peace symbol on the front, and also was wearing my Aussie Outback hat.

Didn't see another person that looked even close to me. All of them were wearing button down shirts, nice thermal vests, some were wearing polo shirts, and the pants were jeans and kahkis.

All of them looked like people who would earn over 250,000/yr. No, I didn't see any "average americans' over in Amarillo, and yes, lots of their signs were kinda fucked up.

So no, take your bullshit about the tea party asses being just like everyone else and shove it up your collective asses.

I've yet to see anyone even remotely close to me and my friends show up there.

My Aunt from New Mexico was at that one....with her two frineds and my 19 year old cousin.
I Saw the films and the photos.
You are a liar.
Folks...that was an outright lie.....
There was a great diversity of people at Amarillo...and a few off color signs...but you had to look for them.

A bikersailor outright lied to win a debate.

 

[Wicked Jester]

You know......I went to the teabagger rally here in Amarillo when the Tea Party Express blew through town.

Why? I wanted to see who they were.

Me? I wore my sandals, camo pants from when I was Security Force in the Navy, and a tie dye shirt with a big peace symbol on the front, and also was wearing my Aussie Outback hat.

Didn't see another person that looked even close to me. All of them were wearing button down shirts, nice thermal vests, some were wearing polo shirts, and the pants were jeans and kahkis.

All of them looked like people who would earn over 250,000/yr. No, I didn't see any "average americans' over in Amarillo, and yes, lots of their signs were kinda fucked up.

So no, take your bullshit about the tea party asses being just like everyone else and shove it up your collective asses.

I've yet to see anyone even remotely close to me and my friends show up there.

The wife and I pull in over 250 g's a year.

Right now i'm dressed in old faded levis, my favorite West Coast Choppers T-shirt and flip flops.

Yep, just your "average american."

So, what's your point, grasshopper?

Oh, I get it, you just can't stand people who may be more successful than you.

 

[Wicked Jester]

WOW! These are the same Tea Baggers who arrived at town meetings armed with automatic rifles? The same Tea Baggers who shout down anyone daring to voice their own opinions?
The same TeaBaggers who continually interrupt speakers who are trying to explain their position?

This is their interpretation of "Constitutionally protected right of free speech"??
Is denying free speech to others, free speech?

Ask the black panthers at the obama rallies.

Get your facts straight....There were no Black Panthers at Obama rallies....nice try though

Yeah, you're right there. They were a lil' too busy trying to immidate people at the POLLS.

I only wish I had been on of 'em they were trying to intimidate!

 

[ABikerSailor]

Nope......I told you, I was there, and I said I'd seen SEVERAL people there with fucked up signs.

Additionally, I told you that most of the people there were of the rich variety. I didn't see anyone there who was middle class. How do I know that? Easy, I ran the Navy office of the MEPS here in Amarillo for 2 1/2 years, and am pretty well aware of the social classes of the people of this area.

After all...it was my job for a while.

And yes, I was there in a brown bushwhacker hat, tie dye shirt with a peace sign on it. The chick that looked like the woman and the black man was on a tea bagger thread on here........she was selling a book about why she thought Palin was such a great woman.

Incidentally.......the Tea Party Express bus was around 45 min. late. Wanna explain how I know that?

 

[Oldandtired]

You know......I went to the teabagger rally here in Amarillo when the Tea Party Express blew through town.

Why? I wanted to see who they were.

Me? I wore my sandals, camo pants from when I was Security Force in the Navy, and a tie dye shirt with a big peace symbol on the front, and also was wearing my Aussie Outback hat.

Didn't see another person that looked even close to me. All of them were wearing button down shirts, nice thermal vests, some were wearing polo shirts, and the pants were jeans and kahkis.

All of them looked like people who would earn over 250,000/yr. No, I didn't see any "average americans' over in Amarillo, and yes, lots of their signs were kinda fucked up.

So no, take your bullshit about the tea party asses being just like everyone else and shove it up your collective asses.

I've yet to see anyone even remotely close to me and my friends show up there.

The wife and I pull in over 250 g's a year.

Right now i'm dressed in old faded levis, my favorite West Coast Choppers T-shirt and flip flops.

Yep, just your "average american."

So, what's your point, grasshopper?

Oh, I get it, you just can't stand people who may be more successful than you.

Your last line....

I have found that we are now the enemy.

Besides...he outright lied anyway...so he is worth shit to me now.

He can argue it all he wants...but he and I know, deep down, that either he was not there or he lied about what he saw.

 

[rightwinger]

Ask the black panthers at the obama rallies.

Get your facts straight....There were no Black Panthers at Obama rallies....nice try though

Yeah, you're right there. They were a lil' too busy trying to immidate people at the POLLS.

I only wish I had been on of 'em they were trying to intimidate!

Now you are more in line with the facts. You leave out the part where those two gentlemen in one isolated incident were removed from the site and arrested

 

[Oldandtired]

Nope......I told you, I was there, and I said I'd seen SEVERAL people there with fucked up signs.

Additionally, I told you that most of the people there were of the rich variety. I didn't see anyone there who was middle class. How do I know that? Easy, I ran the Navy office of the MEPS here in Amarillo for 2 1/2 years, and am pretty well aware of the social classes of the people of this area.

After all...it was my job for a while.

And yes, I was there in a brown bushwhacker hat, tie dye shirt with a peace sign on it. The chick that looked like the woman and the black man was on a tea bagger thread on here........she was selling a book about why she thought Palin was such a great woman.

Incidentally.......the Tea Party Express bus was around 45 min. late. Wanna explain how I know that?

You are a classic example of an internet liar.

You can say whatever you want......and after your commenbt about Amarillo, it is quite obvious that is exactly what you are doing