The Nation: Kirk called MLK an “awful person”, mocked the assault on Pelosi’s husband”, etc

Tough topic, Kirk had every right to preach his blend of so called conservatism but demonizing people because they are different has become a stick that makes no sense in a free society where we should respect all. Check OP linked below.

"In the wake of horror, honest accountings of his life have not only become rare – they have also become dangerous

 
Well, as a human being, MLK was a pretty awful person. Who happened to be a magnificent orator who supported a much needed movement and the perfect time to support it.
In the same sense that many ministers who preach great things - but in private, they are truly terrible people.
Of course, and what Charlie Kirk said will no doubt turn out to be something very much like that - if the partial quote is even real.

Likely Charlie was answering the tired old question about "how can you support such a sinner" from the moralizing left.

We'll see whether Conservative from Georgia has the integrity to provide it.
 
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From your link:

Ironically—if that word is even possible to use in 2023—he said, “I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.”

Not sure how that is ironic. Kirk knew the risk of gun death for daring to believe that the right to free speech allowed him to speak freely. How could he not know, given the long-for by the left death that almost happened to Donald Trump. Trump did not call for confiscation of long-range scoped rifles after he was nearly fatally shot. In fact, no one is that I know of, left or right. Owning hunting rifles is the only kind of firearm ownership that many on the left think the 2A protects.

Maybe the worst thing I’ve seen today is Ezra Klein’s smarmy “Charlie Kirk practiced politics exactly the right way” in Thursday’s New York Times. “He was showing up to campuses and talking with anyone who would talk to him,” Klein wrote. “He was one of the era’s most effective practitioners of persuasion. A taste for disagreement is a virtue in a democracy. Liberalism could use more of his moxie and fearlessness.”

How is that the worst thing and smarmy? Because the author of that article knows that showing up for debate is something lefties avoid like a welfare dolee avoiding a job fair. Still shocked that Biden's handlers allowed him to do his final debate, knowing that Democrats always lose a fair debate. Were they counting on "fact-checking" to save him?

Well, one thing missing from that article is the video of Charlie Kirk calling MLK "an awful person." or even the full quote in context. Conservative from Georgia, please provie it for us. Such a statement would surely have been played over and over again, so that should be easy.
Kirk was referring to a passage in a book written by Shelby Steel where MLK was having sex parties with his own staff. Sometimes the female members of the staff were less than willing.
 
I would like to see context instead of the cherry picked words.
But, as far as the Civil Rights Act, there are a lot of people who
thought that it was a mistake, and not for racists reasons. Many thought
Eisenhower's Civil Rights Act of 1957 actually did much more for the
people.
I heard Charlie say this awhile back. As i recall, he did have an issue with the Civil Rights Act (i cant remember exactly what the specific issue was), but he said was not against black people being given equal rights in any way, and he has never pushed the idea that blacks shouldnt be able to vote.
 
I wouldn’t give a damn if he was green, he claims to be a conservative, so that pretty much tells me all I need to know.
Someone calling themself a man of God (pastor) tricking around with other women is terrible at being a moral person. Trump fits in the same category. There are plenty of people who did good to great things for the country that have/had skeletons in their closets. We just choose what part of the person that we focus on.
 
Someone calling themself a man of God (pastor) tricking around with other women is terrible at being a moral person. Trump fits in the same category. There are plenty of people who did good to great things for the country that have/had skeletons in their closets. We just choose what part of the person that we focus on.
When it comes to Dr King and women, all we hear is hearsay. So and so said Dr King was with a lot of women, why haven't we ever heard from any of these women?
 
I heard Charlie say this awhile back. As i recall, he did have an issue with the Civil Rights Act (i cant remember exactly what the specific issue was), but he said was not against black people being given equal rights in any way, and he has never pushed the idea that blacks shouldnt be able to vote.
Charlie had a problem with the Civil Rights Act because it created a crutch where the
Blacks would rely on the federal government. (the freebies)
(fatherless homes) Living arrangements of children by race/ethnicity, 1970-2023 | Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention
 
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When it comes to Dr King and women, all we hear is hearsay. So and so said Dr King was with a lot of women, why haven't we ever heard from any of these women?
Perhaps the FBI should release the tapes/recordings that they likely have on him? Be all the way 100, if a woman or two came out tomorrow saying that they slept with MLK, would you believe them?
 
I would like to see context instead of the cherry picked words.
But, as far as the Civil Rights Act, there are a lot of people who
thought that it was a mistake, and not for racists reasons. Many thought
Eisenhower's Civil Rights Act of 1957 actually did much more for the
people.
Here is a fact check article on what he was accused of saying. With context. The comments paint a different picture in context:

 
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Someone calling themself a man of God (pastor) tricking around with other women is terrible at being a moral person. Trump fits in the same category. There are plenty of people who did good to great things for the country that have/had skeletons in their closets. We just choose what part of the person that we focus on.
Correct.

If a person insists on focusing the debate on moral aspects of a politician, rather than policies and result-getting, we have teo retorts, both of which are valid.

1- "your guy/girl is just as bad," sometimes called whataboutism and

2 - "it is immoral to run the country into the ground, like your side does" (think Jimmy Carter).

Maybe while he is giving us the video of Charlie saying MLK was an awful person, Conservative from Georgia can name the Democrat to whom those options do not apply.
 
Here is a fact check article on what he was accused of saying. With context. The comments paint a different picture in context:

Not sure what your point was with the civil rights act and what Kirk stated? :dunno:
It was a mistake when Johnson signed it.
 
Depends, if it makes sense it is what it is.
I'm taking a guess here, but I don't think you kept the same standard you're presenting for MLK when the accused was an orange guy in a suit. I'm sure you gave those women instant credibility. Also, infidelity has to make sense? If it "makes sense", does your opinion of MLK change?
 
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