The Myth of Birthright Citizenship: A Constitutional and Historical Refutation

[StatesRightsForever]

Supreme Court will hear this case on May 15! Millions of foreign invaders have been granted citizenship based on the lie that if you are born in america to an illegal alien mother, then you are a citizen!! Hopefully they will be deported too.

may 8 2025 The primary argument for birthright citizenship hinges on the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which reads:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Advocates of birthright citizenship often isolate the phrase “born or naturalized in the United States,” disregarding the critical qualification that follows: “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” This latter phrase is not mere surplusage — it carries substantive legal meaning rooted in allegiance, not mere presence.

Senator Jacob Howard of Michigan, who introduced the Citizenship Clause in 1866, explicitly stated its intent:

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, [or] who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

The Myth of Birthright Citizenship: A Constitutional and Historical Refutation

The American legal and political landscape has been distorted by the misunderstanding of birthright citizenship.

thenewamerican.com

 

[StatesRightsForever]

If your mother is an illegal alien, you inherit her nationality and are NOT subject to the political jurisdiction of america. case closed.

 

[pknopp]

If they are born here, they didn't "invade".

 

[StatesRightsForever]

If they are born here, they didn't "invade".

HAHAHAHA. Did you really say that?

 

[pknopp]

HAHAHAHA. Did you really say that?

Did you say something to actually counter it?

No.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Supreme Court will hear this case on May 15! Millions of foreign invaders have been granted citizenship based on the lie that if you are born in america to an illegal alien mother, then you are a citizen!! Hopefully they will be deported too.

The Myth of Birthright Citizenship: A Constitutional and Historical Refutation

The American legal and political landscape has been distorted by the misunderstanding of birthright citizenship.

thenewamerican.com

The only way this could work is if it applies to people from this point on. It will fail if they try to make it retroactive.

I ahree that the idea that you can illegally enter the country, have a child, then that makes the child a citizen and then anchors the parents here as well, is flawed. But they can't deport millions of people who have been living here as citizens their whole lives, who became citizens by the nature of their birth.

They'll need to change the interpretation and say "from this point forward". That's the only way it would work.

 

[ThisIsMe]

If your mother is an illegal alien, you inherit her nationality and are NOT subject to the political jurisdiction of america. case closed.

This is basically correct. If you are born here to parents here illegally, you, as the child, are subject to the jurisdiction of your parents, who are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country.


The idea that it means "subject to the laws" is not the whole picture. It's subject to the "complete" jurisdiction, meaning, owing no allegiance to any other country.

 

[ThisIsMe]

If they are born here, they didn't "invade".

I agree, but the amendment doesn't make ant reference to "invasion"

 

[pknopp]

The only way this could work is if it applies to people from this point on. It will fail if they try to make it retroactive.

I ahree that the idea that you can illegally enter the country, have a child, then that makes the child a citizen and then anchors the parents here as well,

Because that has never been the case so..........................

 

[Stryder50]

If they are born here, they didn't "invade".

If they are born of invading parent(s) they inherit the status of their parent(s).
If one or both are here ILLEGALLY, then their offspring are here ILLEGALLY.

Without proper legal documentation, a Visa (issued by the USA government) or Green Card that links to a legal passport from their nation of origin, then they are here ILLEGALLY.

That's means they have broken a law(s) in crossing our border and entering our country, which is a crime(s), which makes them criminals and subject to appropriate legal actions, prosecutions, and consequences including automatic procedure ones established by our laws.

Per the language usage of the time, and wording of the 14th Amendment, unless a Citizen of the USA, a person here is under the Jurisdiction (allegiance) of the nation they originate from. They are Subject (obedient) to our Laws and applied punishments, but this is an application of the term "jurisdiction" separate from its use in defining citizenship.

 

[pknopp]

If they are born of invading parent(s) they inherit the status of their parent(s).
If one or both are here ILLEGALLY, then their offspring are here ILLEGALLY.

Without proper legal documentation, a Visa (issued by the USA government) or Green Card that links to a legal passport from their nation of origin, then they are here ILLEGALLY.

That's means they have broken a law(s) in crossing our border and entering our country, which is a crime(s), which makes them criminals and subject to appropriate legal actions, prosecutions, and consequences including automatic procedure ones established by our laws.

Per the language usage of the time, and wording of the 14th Amendment, unless a Citizen of the USA, a person here is under the Jurisdiction (allegiance) of the nation they originate from. They are Subject (obedient) to our Laws and applied punishments, but this is an application of the term "jurisdiction" separate from its use in defining citizenship.

They never crossed any border.

Are you saying you are a believer in the "sins of the parents". People are responsible for the wrongs their parents have done?

 

[progressive hunter]

If they are born here, they didn't "invade".

that makes sense to you since you do have the mind of a one day old child,,

 

[pknopp]

that makes sense to you since you do have the mind of a one day old child,,

Again, nothing actually to dispute what I said.

 

[progressive hunter]

Again, nothing actually to dispute what I said.

because its a dumbass comment not worthy of response,,

using your logic all a hostile enemy has to do is bring in pregnant women from their country and give birth here take them back home and prepare them to return nd infiltrate our government when they grow older,,

 

[Zincwarrior]

Supreme Court will hear this case on May 15! Millions of foreign invaders have been granted citizenship based on the lie that if you are born in america to an illegal alien mother, then you are a citizen!! Hopefully they will be deported too.

The Myth of Birthright Citizenship: A Constitutional and Historical Refutation

The American legal and political landscape has been distorted by the misunderstanding of birthright citizenship.

thenewamerican.com

So you aren't a citizen? Is Trump?

 

[Unkotare]

... if you are born in america to an illegal alien mother, then you are a citizen!! ...

That is the correct and current US law.

 

[Unkotare]

If they are born of invading parent(s) they inherit the status of their parent(s).
If one or both are here ILLEGALLY, then their offspring are here ILLEGALLY.
...

Not according to the US Constitution.

 

[okfine]

Supreme Court will hear this case on May 15! Millions of foreign invaders have been granted citizenship based on the lie that if you are born in america to an illegal alien mother, then you are a citizen!! Hopefully they will be deported too.

The Myth of Birthright Citizenship: A Constitutional and Historical Refutation

The American legal and political landscape has been distorted by the misunderstanding of birthright citizenship.

thenewamerican.com

Will you cry when SCOTUS tells you sorry sucker?

 

[StatesRightsForever]

The only way this could work is if it applies to people from this point on. It will fail if they try to make it retroactive.

I think making it retro-active is the only way it will work. We have to remove the 130 million non-whites in america before they bankrupt us. Here is a legal way to do it.

 

[StatesRightsForever]

This is basically correct. If you are born here to parents here illegally, you, as the child, are subject to the jurisdiction of your parents, who are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country.


The idea that it means "subject to the laws" is not the whole picture. It's subject to the "complete" jurisdiction, meaning, owing no allegiance to any other country.

Yes indeed. Jurisdiction in this case means political jurisdiction not legal jurisdiction. Everyone inside our borders is clearly subject to the legal jurisdiction of america. Foreigners cannot invade our country, rob a bank and they say, "Your laws don't apply to me."