The Myth of Bad Republican Candidates

[g5000]

After all, what will Fiscal, Social, etc. Conservatives do? Vote Democrat?

Nope. They will do what I did and stay home.

Not this time. Obama is so bad I'd turn out to vote for just about anyone else.

That just rewards the weasels.

When a weasel gets a vote, he thinks he is doing the right thing. He is encouraged to keep being a weasel. He does not know you are actually voting against the other guy.

That's why I don't fall for appeals by propellerhead third parties to vote for them as a way of voicing displeasure for the major parties. That's poor logic. The candidates think more votes means they are doing something the voters want them to do.


No. The GOP deserves Obama until they get their shit together.

Keep voting for the lesser of two evils and you will get more and more evil choices.

 

[mudwhistle]

Nope. They will do what I did and stay home.

Not this time. Obama is so bad I'd turn out to vote for just about anyone else.

That just rewards the weasels.

When a weasel gets a vote, he thinks he is doing the right thing. He is encouraged to keep being a weasel. He does not know you are actually voting against the other guy.

That's why I don't fall for appeals by propellerhead third parties to vote for them as a way of voicing displeasure for the major parties. That's poor logic. The candidates think more votes means they are doing something the voters want them to do.


No. The GOP deserves Obama until they get their shit together.

Keep voting for the lesser of two evils and you will get more and more evil choices.

The GOP voter is a principled voter for the most part. They vote for whom they feel is closest to their beliefs. If a candidate is proved to be untrustworthy or a scoundrel they reject them.

The Democrat voter votes with their hearts. They forgive transgressions and believe in the greater good. They feel that nobody is all bad. Everyone can be redeemed. If their candidate is proved to be a liar and a cheat, if they have no alternatives they'll ether live in denial or they'll make excuses why they have to vote for a Democrat.

"My Grand Daddy and my Daddy voted Democrat....so I'm voting Democrat"

"Those Republicans are only for the rich"

"As long as he makes me feel good when he speaks I won't believe anything they say about him"


They could be against most of what their candidate stands for and still vote for him. It only takes one or two positives to win them over.

This is why the media does this and gets away with it. They know the patterns of GOP voters and Democrat voters. They know how to peel away GOP support. Simply reveal the truth about Republican candidates and twist it a bit.

Democrat voters won't change their minds so easily. They have different values. They think that conservatives are nerds. Unpopular. Your typical lib wants to be popular....part of a group. One big happy family.

Conservatives don't need the approval of others thus they are more independent.

The DNC knows all of this.

 

[The Rabbi]

Jeb Bush
Haley Barber
Chris Christie
Marco Rubio

All better candidates than any of the current bunch

That's the Wesley Clark Syndrome. Clark was at his best the day he announced. It was downhill from there.

As was Rick Perry.

Yup. He was about unbeatable until he started running.
People imagine more than any candidate can deliver. Look at the Paul-bots. They think he would actually do something, despite a 30 year record of non-accomplishment.

 

[mudwhistle]

That's the Wesley Clark Syndrome. Clark was at his best the day he announced. It was downhill from there.

As was Rick Perry.

Yup. He was about unbeatable until he started running.
People imagine more than any candidate can deliver. Look at the Paul-bots. They think he would actually do something, despite a 30 year record of non-accomplishment.

Ron Paul claims it's because everyone else it out of touch with the public.

I think Ron Paul is out of touch with reality.

 

[The Rabbi]

As was Rick Perry.

Yup. He was about unbeatable until he started running.
People imagine more than any candidate can deliver. Look at the Paul-bots. They think he would actually do something, despite a 30 year record of non-accomplishment.

Ron Paul claims it's because everyone else it out of touch with the public.

I think Ron Paul is out of touch with reality.

That's the Paul-drome. ANyone who opposes him is an enemy of the Republic. Why anyone thinks someone with an attitude like that can work with others is beyond me.

 

[JoeB131]

The problem isn't so much "resumes". I will concede most of these guys have solid resumes, some of them better than Obama's when he got the job.

It's what else is there that's the problem.

Romney- Four years as governor and a solid business career- Fatal flaw- Bizarre religion, lack of human empathy, and a business career that involved putting thousands of working folks out of good jobs.

Gingrich- 20 years in Congress, 4 years as speaker. Fatal flaw- Hypocrisy on family values, goes off on weird tangents, ego larger than life.

Perry- 12 years as governor of a major state. Fatal flaw - Quite possibly retarded.

Huntsman- 4 years as governor of Utah. Fatal flaw- Too liberal, crazy religion, worked for Obama.

Paul- 30 years in Congress. Fatal flaw- Crazier than a shithouse rat.

Santorum- 12 years in the Senate, 4 in the house. Fatal flaw- trying to legislate your sex life.

If the GOP were smart, they'd try a do-over. Get someone credible up there, like Mitch Daniels.

But the path of least resistance is to let Romney run and lose, so that's what they'll do.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Its very telling that anyone would write an op/ed saying that these people are not "bad Republican candidates".

Makes one wonder what he thinks constitutes a "bad Republican candidate".

 

[Rinata]

I guess you fell for it then.

Anybody can watch their performance in the debates and watch their interviews. They're all nuts!!! Nobody is making it up.

Gee...ya think that is becuase you dont agree with their ideology?

Ya think?

What ideology??? All they do is criticize each other and lie about the prez.

 

[francoHFW]

I've said this before.

If the name Cass Sunstein sounds familiar you would not be surprised to that he is a member of the Obama Administration.

An availability cascade is a self-reinforcing cycle that explains the development of certain kinds of collective beliefs. A novel idea or insight, usually one that seems to explain a complex process in a simple or straightforward manner, gains rapid currency in the popular discourse by its very simplicity and by its apparent insightfulness. Its rising popularity triggers a chain reaction within the social network: individuals adopt the new insight because other people within the network have adopted it, and on its face it seems plausible. The reason for this increased use and popularity of the new idea involves both the availability of the previously obscure term or idea, and the need of individuals using the term or idea to appear to be current with the stated beliefs and ideas of others, regardless of whether they in fact fully believe in the idea that they are expressing. Their need for social acceptance, and the apparent sophistication of the new insight, overwhelm their critical thinking.

The idea of the availability cascade was first developed by Timur Kuran and Cass Sunstein, building upon the concept of information cascades and on the availability bias as identified by Daniel Kahneman and Amos Tversky.
Availability cascade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cass R. Sunstein (born September 21, 1954) is an American legal scholar, particularly in the fields of constitutional law, administrative law, environmental law, and law and behavioral economics, who currently is the Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs in the Obama administration. For 27 years, Sunstein taught at the University of Chicago Law School,[1] where he continues to teach as the Harry Kalven Visiting Professor. Sunstein is currently Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, where he is on leave while working in the Obama administration.

Cass Sunstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is how Democrats pulled the wool over our eyes with respect to Global Warming, TARP, the Stimulus Bill, Health Care Reform, etc,.

It may have had something to do with the housing crash and the banking crisis.

If you want one crisis after another just give Obama 4 more years. It's a given.

Dittoheads and Pub dupes...amazing. There's only one propaganda machine, and you're the proof. A breed apart in the modern world...

 

[Rinata]

jarhead is right: The media built up obama, in large part because they fell in love with the "first black president" business. He made his reputation on one speech he gave at the 2004 convention. That was it. He succeeded in not screwing up or pissing anyone off by toeing the party line. And he lucked into a bunch of stuff, including an economic melt down that played to mccain's chief weakness.

really can't disagree. Obama saw his chance, the time was right and he won

there is nobody in the current field of republicans who given the same circumstances could have done the same

take perry for instance. He came in as the republican savior and when the spotlight fell on him he melted

well, cain is black and that didnt help him. In part because no republican can be authentically black. Also the "first black president" title is gone. Or at least it seems to be. And "first really black president" sounds silly.
You can't compare this year to 4 years ago. Totally different scene.

 

[Rinata]

Dems were chomping at the bit to run against the Republicans in 2008. They were never as vulnerable

Obama was slated to be a presidential contender in another 4-8 years. He decided to run immediately in 2008 because Republicans were so vulnerable.

Hillary, Edwards, Biden all were solid candidates

Hillary?

John Edwards?

Joe Biden?


Solid candidates?????


Really??????

Absolutely

Edwards was a solid contender till he imploded. Biden could have beaten McCain

Hillary was a superstar then and is a superstar now. You better hope she doesn't run in 2016

That's the truth if I've ever heard it!!!

 

[Avatar4321]

The problem isn't so much "resumes". I will concede most of these guys have solid resumes, some of them better than Obama's when he got the job.

It's what else is there that's the problem.

Some better? Who exactly doesn't have a better Resume than Obama's?

Romney- Four years as governor and a solid business career- Fatal flaw- Bizarre religion, lack of human empathy, and a business career that involved putting thousands of working folks out of good jobs.

Problems with your flaws here is they aren't at all true. Mormonism is hardly bizarre if you understand it.

I've already demonstrated your lack of human empathy claim is blatantly false. People who lack empathy don't give to charity like he does. They don't shut down their business for a day and pay their employees to go find a coworker's lost daughter.

And he didn't put anyone out of work of a good job. Bain Capital purchases failing businesses. Bain Capital does this to turn them around. Unfortunately, like all business, not every purchase turns out well. So while they have an 80% success rates. Some of the businesses will still end up failing regardless of the work done to prevent it. Those companies, which were already going to close anyway, are then closed. Your efforts to distort the facts is not going to work on anyone informed about their business model.

You let your hatred of mormons blind you to reality concerning Mitt.

Gingrich- 20 years in Congress, 4 years as speaker. Fatal flaw- Hypocrisy on family values, goes off on weird tangents, ego larger than life.

I can't argue that one. The man is brilliant, but unfortunately he realizes that so he thinks he can do whatever he wants.

Perry- 12 years as governor of a major state. Fatal flaw - Quite possibly retarded.

That's completely bullcrap.

Huntsman- 4 years as governor of Utah. Fatal flaw- Too liberal, crazy religion, worked for Obama.

Huntsman hasnt governed as a liberal. The man is hardly a pure conservative. But he is far more conservative than people give him credit for. Unfortunately, he supports the global warming junk science and has quite a bit of pride himself.

Working as an ambassador is work for the nation, not Obama. I would serve my nation regardless what party had power if I was asked. Some things are more important than party identification.

Paul- 30 years in Congress. Fatal flaw- Crazier than a shithouse rat.

I don't know that he truly is crazy. Completely naive with foreign policy. But crazy? The fact that he attracts so many crazy supporters is his bigger flaw. Some of them are fine, but others are just rabid insane. Maybe he is crazy. After all, likes attract one another. But the man has some real valid points too.

Santorum- 12 years in the Senate, 4 in the house. Fatal flaw- trying to legislate your sex life.

Morality is a fatal flaw now? Sheesh. You realize that the President can't legislate jack right?

If the GOP were smart, they'd try a do-over. Get someone credible up there, like Mitch Daniels.

But the path of least resistance is to let Romney run and lose, so that's what they'll do.

The Republicans aren't going to lose this cycle. Everything is going against him and as you've mentioned, the candidates are more qualified than he is.

 

[Avatar4321]

Anybody can watch their performance in the debates and watch their interviews. They're all nuts!!! Nobody is making it up.

Gee...ya think that is becuase you dont agree with their ideology?

Ya think?

What ideology??? All they do is criticize each other and lie about the prez.

Unfortunately, they don't have to lie about the President and aren't.

And why are you still attributing that quote to Gandhi? The man loved everyone.

 

[007]

Going against this steaming pile of dog shit...

... the local DOG CATCHER looks good.

 

[HUGGY]

January 11, 2012
The Myth of Bad Republican Candidates
By Selwyn Duke

Repeat a big Democrat talking point often enough, and it becomes the truth. There is a certain liberal narrative that has recently filtered down to many independents and even some conservatives: the idea that the current crop of Republican candidates is weak, wanting, and worrisome. The lament is, "Hell's bells, the guy in the White House is out of his depth, but what alternatives does the GOP offer?" The idea, I suppose, is that we might as well just re-elect Barack Obama. At least he has four years of golfing, government-growing, and greenback-gobbling experience.

This characterization of the Republican field much reminds me of the gratuitous criticism of the U.S. by the hate-America-first crowd. Okay, you say America is a bad country. Compared to what? Some imaginary Utopia that will never exist? Because in the real world, the U.S. has been besting her competition for a long time.

Many repeat the statist talking point about the GOP contenders' alleged ineptitude simply because of media spin and the branding iron of repetition. Yet others do, in fact, have unrealistic expectations. They have in mind an ideal, a utopia of a politician -- a person who agrees with them on every major issue, possesses eloquence and decent looks, and has never strayed from ideological purity. And when this imaginary figure doesn't appear, they ask, "Is this the best our political class has to offer?!"

Yet to what are we comparing these candidates? And are we being mindful of Bismarck's sage observation that "[p]olitics is the art of the possible"? For even insofar as a true traditionalist's ideal candidate does exist -- and this is important to understand -- he could not win election given the current state of our culture.

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Ummmmmm.......???? How many debates have there been? You think the GOP hopefuls suffer from "Bad press"? You are an idiot. The GOP candidates suffer from poor performance.

Most if not all of the negative information available to the public about the republican hopefulls has come directly from stupid gaffs in the debates or back biting among the candidates in ads run by the individuals running or the PACS that support those individuals.

There has been scarce DNC or Obama reaction to the GOP nomination proccess and what has been offered is just parroting what the idiots have offered by their own stupidity.

Sorry Sparky...This troupe of clowns has had every opportunity to show what they are and what they are is exactly what they are.

 

[JoeB131]

The problem isn't so much "resumes". I will concede most of these guys have solid resumes, some of them better than Obama's when he got the job.

It's what else is there that's the problem.

Some better? Who exactly doesn't have a better Resume than Obama's?

Well, funny you should mention that. Obama is the only guy running who has ACTUALLY BEEN president. so the only guys with more experience as president (Bush-43 and Clinton) can't actually run.

Romney- Four years as governor and a solid business career- Fatal flaw- Bizarre religion, lack of human empathy, and a business career that involved putting thousands of working folks out of good jobs.

Problems with your flaws here is they aren't at all true. Mormonism is hardly bizarre if you understand it.

Magic Underwear. Hebrews living in America. A founders who married dozens of women and girls. Ruling planets in the afterlife.

I've already demonstrated your lack of human empathy claim is blatantly false. People who lack empathy don't give to charity like he does. They don't shut down their business for a day and pay their employees to go find a coworker's lost daughter.

Again, would he have shut down his business if it wasn't the daughter of a fellow rich guy? Would he have shut it down if it was a GS Steel employee he was getting ready to give a pink slip to? Unlikely.

And he didn't put anyone out of work of a good job. Bain Capital purchases failing businesses. Bain Capital does this to turn them around. Unfortunately, like all business, not every purchase turns out well. So while they have an 80% success rates. Some of the businesses will still end up failing regardless of the work done to prevent it. Those companies, which were already going to close anyway, are then closed. Your efforts to distort the facts is not going to work on anyone informed about their business model.

Frankly, I think after a decade of that kind of thinking, where rich assholes run roughshod over our lives because it's "good business", most people have had their fill of that kind of thinking. More to the point, he ran as "job creator". not a "job destroyer" who employed "Creative Destruction".

This is really John Kerry's Swiftboat Problem. What he's portraying himself as is the oppossite of what he actually is. You might come up with justifications for what he did (as liberals tried to excuse Kerry's anti-war activities) but the point is, that's not how he's packaging himself this time.

You let your hatred of mormons blind you to reality concerning Mitt.

Nope. I just see him (and them) for what he truly is.

That's (Perry being retarded) completely bullcrap.

Well, three reasons why I think that. Bad debate performances, he doubts evolution. and....er... I forgot the third one.

Santorum- 12 years in the Senate, 4 in the house. Fatal flaw- trying to legislate your sex life.

Morality is a fatal flaw now? Sheesh. You realize that the President can't legislate jack right?

I think it's a matter of priorities. Personally, not happy there are abortions going on, and gay sex (at least involving men) is kind of icky to me. But I sure as hell don't want the government involved in any of that.

The Republicans aren't going to lose this cycle. Everything is going against him and as you've mentioned, the candidates are more qualified than he is.

Actually, everything is going against the GOP. Bad candidates, the economy is getting better.

The GOP might increase their margin in the Senate, but they will lose seats in the House and Obama will get re-elected.

 

[mudwhistle]

The problem isn't so much "resumes". I will concede most of these guys have solid resumes, some of them better than Obama's when he got the job.

It's what else is there that's the problem.

Romney- Four years as governor and a solid business career- Fatal flaw- Bizarre religion, lack of human empathy, and a business career that involved putting thousands of working folks out of good jobs.

Gingrich- 20 years in Congress, 4 years as speaker. Fatal flaw- Hypocrisy on family values, goes off on weird tangents, ego larger than life.

Perry- 12 years as governor of a major state. Fatal flaw - Quite possibly retarded.

Huntsman- 4 years as governor of Utah. Fatal flaw- Too liberal, crazy religion, worked for Obama.

Paul- 30 years in Congress. Fatal flaw- Crazier than a shithouse rat.

Santorum- 12 years in the Senate, 4 in the house. Fatal flaw- trying to legislate your sex life.

If the GOP were smart, they'd try a do-over. Get someone credible up there, like Mitch Daniels.

But the path of least resistance is to let Romney run and lose, so that's what they'll do.

Obama- 4 years as Senator, 3 years as POTUS, Fatal Flaws- Ran up the debt more than any president in our history. Has to fudge the numbers to make it look like the economy is recovering. Grew up associating with various Communists, Anarchists, Black Liberation Theology advocates, and domestic terrorists. Has members in his administration with close ties to terrorist groups such as Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood, and The Weather Underground. Has forged alliances with various network and cable news organizations to assure slanted coverage of his administration. Several of his advisers are leading news personalities. Has associations with Occupy Wall Street organizers, ACORN, and SEIU. Taught classes on civil rights law and how to steal elections while teaching at the University of Chicago.

 

[LoneLaugher]

It's the media!

 

[JoeB131]

Obama- 4 years as Senator, 3 years as POTUS, Fatal Flaws- Ran up the debt more than any president in our history. Has to fudge the numbers to make it look like the economy is recovering. Grew up associating with various Communists, Anarchists, Black Liberation Theology advocates, and domestic terrorists. Has members in his administration with close ties to terrorist groups such as Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood, and The Weather Underground. Has forged alliances with various network and cable news organizations to assure slanted coverage of his administration. Several of his advisers are leading news personalities. Has associations with Occupy Wall Street organizers, ACORN, and SEIU. Taught classes on civil rights law and how to steal elections while a teaching at the University of Chicago.

You guys brought all those things up in 2008, and no one cared.

Much of it is outright hysterical.

Bottom line it. If unemployment is under 7.5% in November, he'll be re-elected, easily.

 

[The Rabbi]

Obama- 4 years as Senator, 3 years as POTUS, Fatal Flaws- Ran up the debt more than any president in our history. Has to fudge the numbers to make it look like the economy is recovering. Grew up associating with various Communists, Anarchists, Black Liberation Theology advocates, and domestic terrorists. Has members in his administration with close ties to terrorist groups such as Hamas, The Muslim Brotherhood, and The Weather Underground. Has forged alliances with various network and cable news organizations to assure slanted coverage of his administration. Several of his advisers are leading news personalities. Has associations with Occupy Wall Street organizers, ACORN, and SEIU. Taught classes on civil rights law and how to steal elections while a teaching at the University of Chicago.

You guys brought all those things up in 2008, and no one cared.

Much of it is outright hysterical.

Bottom line it. If unemployment is under 7.5% in November, he'll be re-elected, easily.

It isnt no one cared. The media hyped it so all of that went away. If Obama had been white and the economy more stable McCain would be running for re-election right now.