The Myth of Bad Republican Candidates

[The Rabbi]

Please...

Don't treat the public like a bunch of morons. They are smarter than the right gives them credit for. Obamas credentials were well known. The right played up the Wright and Ayers nonsense and nobody cared. Only Republicans care about business experience as being relevant.
Obama never voted present as a US Senator and it was another failed red herring from the right

Whether you think he deserved it or not, Obama was a superstar in 2008 and the GOP has nothing close in 2012

Jarhead is right: The media built up Obama, in large part because they fell in love with the "first black president" business. He made his reputation on one speech he gave at the 2004 convention. That was it. He succeeded in not screwing up or pissing anyone off by toeing the party line. And he lucked into a bunch of stuff, including an economic melt down that played to McCain's chief weakness.

Really can't disagree. Obama saw his chance, the time was right and he won

There is nobody in the current field of republicans who given the same circumstances could have done the same

Take Perry for instance. He came in as the Republican savior and when the spotlight fell on him he melted

Well, Cain is black and that didnt help him. In part because no Republican can be authentically black. Also the "first black president" title is gone. Or at least it seems to be. And "first really black president" sounds silly.
You can't compare this year to 4 years ago. Totally different scene.

 

[rightwinger]

Jarhead is right: The media built up Obama, in large part because they fell in love with the "first black president" business. He made his reputation on one speech he gave at the 2004 convention. That was it. He succeeded in not screwing up or pissing anyone off by toeing the party line. And he lucked into a bunch of stuff, including an economic melt down that played to McCain's chief weakness.

Really can't disagree. Obama saw his chance, the time was right and he won

There is nobody in the current field of republicans who given the same circumstances could have done the same

Take Perry for instance. He came in as the Republican savior and when the spotlight fell on him he melted

Well, Cain is black and that didnt help him. In part because no Republican can be authentically black. Also the "first black president" title is gone. Or at least it seems to be. And "first really black president" sounds silly.
You can't compare this year to 4 years ago. Totally different scene.

It is a different scene

An incumbent President is running for reelection and most of the serious Republicans are waiting this one out

 

[mudwhistle]

After all, what will Fiscal, Social, etc. Conservatives do? Vote Democrat?

Nope. They will do what I did and stay home.

Good job.

Hope you're happy.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, please, guy.

This is the weakest feild of GOP Candidates I've seen in 32 years of being involved in politics.

Going against the weakest/worst DEM President this side of Carter

Underestimate Obama at your own peril. Hillary and McCain did...

Obama is going to be formidable for the following reasons-

1) He's an incumbant. And incumbants are RARELY voted out unless there is a third party splitting the base, which there won't be.

2) He raised 68 million compared to the 24 million Romney raised. More impressively, most of Obama's came from small donors while Romney's came from his fellow bloodsuckers... errr.. venture capitalists.

3) The economy is actualy in better shape then where he found it. It'll be even better in November.

4) 69 million people voted for him- the most in American history. He won the largest percentage for a Democrats since LBJ in 1964.

and who does the GOP run against him? Mitt ROmney. A guy who lost to Ted Kennedy and John McCain.

 

[mudwhistle]

Really can't disagree. Obama saw his chance, the time was right and he won

There is nobody in the current field of republicans who given the same circumstances could have done the same

Take Perry for instance. He came in as the Republican savior and when the spotlight fell on him he melted

Well, Cain is black and that didnt help him. In part because no Republican can be authentically black. Also the "first black president" title is gone. Or at least it seems to be. And "first really black president" sounds silly.
You can't compare this year to 4 years ago. Totally different scene.

It is a different scene

An incumbent President is running for reelection and most of the serious Republicans are waiting this one out

No really, in that case this is just like 4 years ago except of course we didn't have an incumbent. 4 years ago all of the good Democrats decided to wait it out.......that is if there are any.

 

[The Rabbi]

Really can't disagree. Obama saw his chance, the time was right and he won

There is nobody in the current field of republicans who given the same circumstances could have done the same

Take Perry for instance. He came in as the Republican savior and when the spotlight fell on him he melted

Well, Cain is black and that didnt help him. In part because no Republican can be authentically black. Also the "first black president" title is gone. Or at least it seems to be. And "first really black president" sounds silly.
You can't compare this year to 4 years ago. Totally different scene.

It is a different scene

An incumbent President is running for reelection and most of the serious Republicans are waiting this one out

Which 'serious Republicans" would that be?

 

[The Rabbi]

After all, what will Fiscal, Social, etc. Conservatives do? Vote Democrat?

Nope. They will do what I did and stay home.

Not this time. Obama is so bad I'd turn out to vote for just about anyone else.

 

[rightwinger]

Well, Cain is black and that didnt help him. In part because no Republican can be authentically black. Also the "first black president" title is gone. Or at least it seems to be. And "first really black president" sounds silly.
You can't compare this year to 4 years ago. Totally different scene.

It is a different scene

An incumbent President is running for reelection and most of the serious Republicans are waiting this one out

No really, in that case this is just like 4 years ago except of course we didn't have an incumbent. 4 years ago all of the good Democrats decided to wait it out.......that is if there are any.

Dems were chomping at the bit to run against the Republicans in 2008. They were never as vulnerable

Obama was slated to be a presidential contender in another 4-8 years. He decided to run immediately in 2008 because Republicans were so vulnerable.

Hillary, Edwards, Biden all were solid candidates

 

[mudwhistle]

Obama was packing stadiums both at home and abroad

Star power......

would he have been packings stadiums if the media painted him this way....

he has been a US senator for all of 1 year (at that point)
he has never run a business or created a job
he has a pastor who has strange sentiments about America..and he refers to that pastor as his mentor
he was the only President of the Harvard Law Review that never had something published
He has a history of voting along party lines over 95% of the time and the other 5% were "present" votes

Pointing out that he has star power is the point we are making.

The media can make a star and kill a star.

We see it happen all the time.

They can report on a star driving drunk as "a moment of poor judgement" or "wreckless and an indication of his arrogance"

The first way will save the stars reputation...the second will kill the stars reputation.

The media "poo poohed" Obamas lack of business experience.

The media only wants to discuss the 30% failure of Bain under Romney's watch.....never ONCE mentioning that a 70% success rate iun that business is deemed as OUTSTANDING

And now ROmeny is forced to answer questions about his "failures" ...and how does that make him look?

Please...

Don't treat the public like a bunch of morons. They are smarter than the right gives them credit for. Obamas credentials were well known. The right played up the Wright and Ayers nonsense and nobody cared. Only Republicans care about business experience as being relevant.
Obama never voted present as a US Senator and it was another failed red herring from the right

Whether you think he deserved it or not, Obama was a superstar in 2008 and the GOP has nothing close in 2012

A Superstar???

Yes......a giant among men.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xod9wV6NKeg]When asked about Obama's accomplishments... - YouTube[/ame]

 

[rightwinger]

After all, what will Fiscal, Social, etc. Conservatives do? Vote Democrat?

Nope. They will do what I did and stay home.

Not this time. Obama is so bad I'd turn out to vote for just about anyone else.

I notice you have dropped all signs of being an ardent Perry supporter. Much sooner than I expected.......but then again, we are talking about Perry

 

[Dot Com]

January 11, 2012
The Myth of Bad Republican Candidates
By Selwyn Duke

Repeat a big Democrat talking point often enough, and it becomes the truth. There is a certain liberal narrative that has recently filtered down to many independents and even some conservatives: the idea that the current crop of Republican candidates is weak, wanting, and worrisome. The lament is, "Hell's bells, the guy in the White House is out of his depth, but what alternatives does the GOP offer?" The idea, I suppose, is that we might as well just re-elect Barack Obama. At least he has four years of golfing, government-growing, and greenback-gobbling experience.

This characterization of the Republican field much reminds me of the gratuitous criticism of the U.S. by the hate-America-first crowd. Okay, you say America is a bad country. Compared to what? Some imaginary Utopia that will never exist? Because in the real world, the U.S. has been besting her competition for a long time.

Many repeat the statist talking point about the GOP contenders' alleged ineptitude simply because of media spin and the branding iron of repetition. Yet others do, in fact, have unrealistic expectations. They have in mind an ideal, a utopia of a politician -- a person who agrees with them on every major issue, possesses eloquence and decent looks, and has never strayed from ideological purity. And when this imaginary figure doesn't appear, they ask, "Is this the best our political class has to offer?!"

Yet to what are we comparing these candidates? And are we being mindful of Bismarck's sage observation that "[p]olitics is the art of the possible"? For even insofar as a true traditionalist's ideal candidate does exist -- and this is important to understand -- he could not win election given the current state of our culture.

Link

Read more:
Articles: The Myth of Bad Republican Candidates

Ummm..... it was mentioned before anyone declared that all serious candidates would be sitting-this-one-out for obvious reasons not the least of which being running against an incumbent President is no cakewalk. So, yes, 90% of the current crop of Repub candidates are from the bottom-of-the-barrel. Sorry to break the news to you mudmissile

 

[Dot Com]

Nope. They will do what I did and stay home.

Not this time. Obama is so bad I'd turn out to vote for just about anyone else.

I notice you have dropped all signs of being an ardent Perry supporter. Much sooner than I expected.......but then again, we are talking about Perry

Yeah. Whats up with that The Rabbi?

 

[rightwinger]

Well, Cain is black and that didnt help him. In part because no Republican can be authentically black. Also the "first black president" title is gone. Or at least it seems to be. And "first really black president" sounds silly.
You can't compare this year to 4 years ago. Totally different scene.

It is a different scene

An incumbent President is running for reelection and most of the serious Republicans are waiting this one out

Which 'serious Republicans" would that be?

Jeb Bush
Haley Barber
Chris Christie
Marco Rubio

All better candidates than any of the current bunch

 

[mudwhistle]

It is a different scene

An incumbent President is running for reelection and most of the serious Republicans are waiting this one out

No really, in that case this is just like 4 years ago except of course we didn't have an incumbent. 4 years ago all of the good Democrats decided to wait it out.......that is if there are any.

Dems were chomping at the bit to run against the Republicans in 2008. They were never as vulnerable

Obama was slated to be a presidential contender in another 4-8 years. He decided to run immediately in 2008 because Republicans were so vulnerable.

Hillary, Edwards, Biden all were solid candidates

Hillary?

John Edwards?

Joe Biden?


Solid candidates?????


Really??????

 

[The Rabbi]

It is a different scene

An incumbent President is running for reelection and most of the serious Republicans are waiting this one out

Which 'serious Republicans" would that be?

Jeb Bush
Haley Barber
Chris Christie
Marco Rubio

All better candidates than any of the current bunch

That's the Wesley Clark Syndrome. Clark was at his best the day he announced. It was downhill from there.

 

[mudwhistle]

January 11, 2012
The Myth of Bad Republican Candidates
By Selwyn Duke

Repeat a big Democrat talking point often enough, and it becomes the truth. There is a certain liberal narrative that has recently filtered down to many independents and even some conservatives: the idea that the current crop of Republican candidates is weak, wanting, and worrisome. The lament is, "Hell's bells, the guy in the White House is out of his depth, but what alternatives does the GOP offer?" The idea, I suppose, is that we might as well just re-elect Barack Obama. At least he has four years of golfing, government-growing, and greenback-gobbling experience.

This characterization of the Republican field much reminds me of the gratuitous criticism of the U.S. by the hate-America-first crowd. Okay, you say America is a bad country. Compared to what? Some imaginary Utopia that will never exist? Because in the real world, the U.S. has been besting her competition for a long time.

Many repeat the statist talking point about the GOP contenders' alleged ineptitude simply because of media spin and the branding iron of repetition. Yet others do, in fact, have unrealistic expectations. They have in mind an ideal, a utopia of a politician -- a person who agrees with them on every major issue, possesses eloquence and decent looks, and has never strayed from ideological purity. And when this imaginary figure doesn't appear, they ask, "Is this the best our political class has to offer?!"

Yet to what are we comparing these candidates? And are we being mindful of Bismarck's sage observation that "[p]olitics is the art of the possible"? For even insofar as a true traditionalist's ideal candidate does exist -- and this is important to understand -- he could not win election given the current state of our culture.

Link

Read more:
Articles: The Myth of Bad Republican Candidates

Ummm..... it was mentioned before anyone declared that all serious candidates would be sitting-this-one-out for obvious reasons not the least of which being running against an incumbent President is no cakewalk. So, yes, 90% of the current crop of Repub candidates are from the bottom-of-the-barrel. Sorry to break the news to you mudmissile

What other Republicans are in that barrel?

What makes you think the media can't do the same exact thing to them??????

 

[rightwinger]

No really, in that case this is just like 4 years ago except of course we didn't have an incumbent. 4 years ago all of the good Democrats decided to wait it out.......that is if there are any.

Dems were chomping at the bit to run against the Republicans in 2008. They were never as vulnerable

Obama was slated to be a presidential contender in another 4-8 years. He decided to run immediately in 2008 because Republicans were so vulnerable.

Hillary, Edwards, Biden all were solid candidates

Hillary?

John Edwards?

Joe Biden?


Solid candidates?????


Really??????

Absolutely

Edwards was a solid contender till he imploded. Biden could have beaten McCain

Hillary was a superstar then and is a superstar now. You better hope she doesn't run in 2016

 

[mudwhistle]

Which 'serious Republicans" would that be?

Jeb Bush
Haley Barber
Chris Christie
Marco Rubio

All better candidates than any of the current bunch

That's the Wesley Clark Syndrome. Clark was at his best the day he announced. It was downhill from there.

As was Rick Perry.

 

[rightwinger]

Which 'serious Republicans" would that be?

Jeb Bush
Haley Barber
Chris Christie
Marco Rubio

All better candidates than any of the current bunch

That's the Wesley Clark Syndrome. Clark was at his best the day he announced. It was downhill from there.

Isnt that the Rick Perry syndrome?

 

[mudwhistle]

Dems were chomping at the bit to run against the Republicans in 2008. They were never as vulnerable

Obama was slated to be a presidential contender in another 4-8 years. He decided to run immediately in 2008 because Republicans were so vulnerable.

Hillary, Edwards, Biden all were solid candidates

Hillary?

John Edwards?

Joe Biden?


Solid candidates?????


Really??????

Absolutely

Edwards was a solid contender till he imploded. Biden could have beaten McCain

Hillary was a superstar then and is a superstar now. You better hope she doesn't run in 2016

Every frontrunner in this race was a solid contender till they opened up on them. Their fall soon followed.

Hillary is no superstar. The best thing she ever did to qualify her was marry Bill.