candycorn
Diamond Member
Below are the links to the actual flight manifests from the airlines as used in the Moussaoui trial.
Flight 11 Page 1
Flight 11 Page 2
Flight 175 Page 1
Flight 77 Page 1
Flight 77 Page 2
Flight 93 Page 1
The hijackers appear on all of them. I think you've been getting your information from inferior sources.
So that is debunked.
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As for "flying worth a damn"...they all crashed. Not exactly the mark of a great pilot. Three of them hit buildings that were 3 of the largest buildings in the world. Again, not a huge feat.
As for a simulator not replicating the act of flying, would you not allow for the simulator having a degree of unknown built into it. I mean, some people are shot several times and live, others shot once and die. As for aircraft undergoing the tolerances of the flights v. what the simulator says they can do; well, gee aircraft mechanics are not exactly fail proof in terms of precisely tightening bolts to specs...pasts experiences have shown that they don't get everything right--too loose in most cases (engines falling off, other failures,); who is to say that they don't over-tighten v. what the simulator says based on the manual saying how much torque a screw is tightened. Who says the simulator is upgraded to the same precise specs as the planes when they are upgraded. I'm not sure but if it is like most things in this world, specs are great but "good enough" is usually good enough.
Especially for union mechanics.
So we can call that one a push but simulators do crappy jobs of showing what happens in disasters universally. Trusting one and using it as some sort of proof is pretty lame.
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As for 11 of them still being alive; it is a profoundly unlikely experience that there would be people spending this much below...
OK00102 Airman Flight School invoice, 03/05/2001, $2500.00
OK00103 Airman Flight School invoice, 05/01/2001, $2495.00
OK00116 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/05/2001, $99.50
OK00117 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/06/2001, $78.50
OK00118 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/07/2001, $141.50
OK00119 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/08/2001, $78.50
OK00120 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/08/2001, $42.00
OK00121 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/09/2001, $131.00
OK00122 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/10/2001, $21.00
OK00123 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/12/2001, $120.50
OK00124 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/13/2001, $63.00
OK00125 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/13/2001, $162.50
OK00126 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/15/2001, $63.00
OK00127 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/16/2001, $194.00
OK00128 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/16/2001, $63.00
OK00129 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/17/2001, $162.50
OK00130 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/19/2001, $63.00
OK00131 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/19/2001, $141.50
OK00132 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/20/2001, $63.00
OK00133 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/20/2001, $131.00
OK00134 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/21/2001, $141.50
OK00135 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/21/2001, $63.00
OK00136 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/22/2001, $152.00
OK00137 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/22/2001, $63.00
OK00138 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/23/2001, $63.00
OK00139 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/23/2001, $21.00
OK00140 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/24/2001, $37.80
OK00141 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/26/2001, $89.00
OK00142 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/29/2001, $37.80
OK00143 Airman Flight School Invoice, 03/30/2001, $110.00
OK00144 Airman Flight School Invoice, 04/03/2001, $131.00
OK00145 Airman Flight School Invoice, 04/07/2001, $152.00
OK00146 Airman Flight School Invoice, 04/09/2001, $152.00
OK00147 Airman Flight School Invoice, 04/12/2001, $152.00
OK00148 Airman Flight School Invoice, 04/13/2001, $162.50
OK00149 Airman Flight School Invoice, 04/17/2001, $152.00
OK00150 Airman Flight School Invoice, 04/18/2001, $152.00
OK00151 Airman Flight School Invoice, 04/23/2001, $152.00
OK00152 Airman Flight School Invoice, 04/24/2001, $131.00
OK00153 Airman Flight School Invoice, 04/25/2001, $146.50
OK00154 Airman Flight School Invoice, 04/26/2001, $152.00
OK00155 Airman Flight School Invoice, 04/27/2001, $141.50
OK00156 Airman Flight School Invoice, 04/28/2001, $131.00
OK00157 Airman Flight School Invoice, 04/30/2001, $141.50
OK00158 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/01/2001, $141.50
OK00159 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/02/2001, $42.00
OK00160 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/03/2001, $31.50
OK00161 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/04/2001, $21.00
OK00162 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/07/2001, $183.50
OK00163 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/08/2001, $162.50
OK00164 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/09/2001, $162.50
OK00165 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/10/2001, $133.50
OK00166 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/11/2001, $162.50
OK00167 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/12/2001, $154.50
OK00168 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/14/2001, $154.50
OK00169 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/15/2001, $123.00
OK00170 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/19/2001, $186.00
OK00171 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/22/2001, $165.00
OK00172 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/23/2001, $175.50
OK00173 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/24/2001, $207.00
OK00174 Airman Flight School Invoice, 05/29/2001, $63.00
on intensive flight lessons (much more expenses to follow, much more expenses living so far away from home) and absolutely none, zero, zilch, nada, NONE of these men are flying for any airline anywhere in the world. You can see the invoices for yourself with clickable links at:
U.S.D.C. Eastern District of Virginia
You can also see how thoroughly unlikely it is that anybody other than the 19 men from the middle east pulled this off.
I think you realize how thin your words sound in the light of cold hard facts. I suggest you don't look at the link and go forward in darkness. Or you could try to enlighten yourself.
We both know thats not happening though; don't we?
