The mindset that makes Jews a world-threat

[cnelsen]

One of the Jewish posters on this message board (Indeependent) responded to a Jew hater (not me, a different Jew hater) with:

To get you to shut the fuck up with your obvious Jew hatred.
You see, you're doing what the Russians did and the Jews reacted by becoming just like the Russians.
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It's important to understand the implications of this comment. What he is talking about when he says "the Jews reacted" is the deliberate and knowing genocide by Jews and the Jewish dominated Bolshevik party of 20 million white Christian Russians between 1917 - 1928 in the Soviet Union.

Let's unpack this a little:

1. In his mind, when the Jews committed a Holocaust against Christians, they weren't being Jews, they were being Russians. So the Jews, you see, are blameless because they didn't commit the crime they committed.
2. Furthermore, the Russians had made the Jews become Russians. So they are doubly innocent. (This is a common argument from this poster.) Jews didn't commit the crime they committed when they were forced to commit it.
3. The Russians forced the Jews to become Russians by not "shutting the fuck up with their obvious Jew hatred". So, because Russians hated the Jews, the Jews were forced to slaughter 20 million Russians.

Perhaps Indeependent is an isolated lunatic and is not representative of Jews in general? I wish that were the case, but he is all too typical. You can test this out yourself. Just try getting any Jew to own Jewish responsibility for the genocide Jews committed against Russians in the first decade of the Soviet Union's existence.

And since Russian Holocaust victims can be blamed for causing their own slaughter, try asking any Jew if Jews bear any responsibility at all for the Jewish Holocaust at the hands of the Germans. No, they'll call you a Jew-hater for even asking. Press them on the issue and they will claim the Germans had some sort of genetic or cultural predisposition against Jews and one Saturday afternoon, without warning and for no reason whatsoever, the entire German nation was seized with an implacable hatred of Jews and immediately tried killing as many as possible. The Jews did nothing wrong at all according to every Jew I've ever debated this with. According to them, they studied hard and did well in business and that was the source of this hatred that was so intense it caused Jews to turn into Russians and slaughter 20 million Russian-Russians, and, a decade or so later, caused Germans to slaughter six million Jews.

And, don't forget, if someone "hates" you, and you kill them for it, you are no less a murderer.

Well, you might be thinking, thank goodness Americans don't hate Jews or we'd have genocides breaking out all over the place. Not so fast. It doesn't matter if you think you don't hate Jews. Do you think all 20 million of those dead Russians actually hated Jews? Of course not. And if you object to Jews controlling our press, and our financial institutions, and Hollywood, you ipso facto hate Jews. In fact, if you even claim, however accurately, Jews control our media, Hollywood, and financial institutions, you are a Jew-hater.

In truth, hatred of Jews has nothing to do with the Jewish impulse to genocide. The roots of that impulse can be found in the founding documents of Jewish culture and identity.

When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

Deut 20:11

Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

Deut 20:15​

 

[fncceo]

Oh noes! You're on to us...

 

[cnelsen]

Yep, and more of us every day. But I still don't get the blood lust. Maybe everyone wouldn't hate you so much if y'all cooled it on the constant warmongering. Genocide doesn't appeal to the rest of us.

 

[AsianTrumpSupporter]

There are a lot of liberal faggots who are Jewish, but there are a lot of cool Jews as well like Larry David.

 

[fncceo]

Genocide doesn't appeal to the rest of us.

I'm pretty sure genocide gets your motor running .. if it's against the right people.

But, I have to admire a Nazi sympathiser trying to grab the moral high ground. That takes balls the size of church bells.

 

[cnelsen]

There are a lot of liberal faggots who are Jewish, but there are a lot of cool Jews as well like Larry David.

True, not all Jews are enemies just like not all Bolsheviks were Jews. On the other hand, if it weren't for Jews, Bolshevism wouldn't have happened, nor the Iraq War.

 

[cnelsen]

But, I have to admire a Nazi sympathiser trying to grab the moral high ground. That takes balls the size of church bells.

This might be beyond you, but it is possible to abhor genocide, though not, of course, if you worship the bloodthirsty God of Abraham, in which case it's a religious duty. Sick fucks.

 

[fncceo]

but it is possible to abhor genocide

But, it's not possible to abhor genocide and claim to admire the Nazis for committing genocide against the Jews. That clearly is an untenable position and it requires weapons-grade stupidity to think anyone would actually buy that claim.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Lenin said the smart Russian was usually a Jew.

I say the bad Russian was usually a Jew.

Which is much closer to the truth.

Most of the best, and brightest of Russia weren't Jews... Korolev, Glushko, Igor Sikorsky Dostoeyevsky, Tolstoy, Pushkin, Nikolai Gogol, Stravinsky, Scriabin, Rachmaninoff, Malevich, Tchaikovsky.... None of them Jews.

But.. Lenin, Leon Trotsky, Lazar Kaganovich, Genrikh Yagoda, Matvei Berman, Lev Kamenev, Yakov Yurovsky Semion Mogilevich, and Ludwig Fainberg all bad Jews.

 

[cnelsen]

but it is possible to abhor genocide

But, it's not possible to abhor genocide and claim to admire the Nazis for committing genocide against the Jews. That clearly is an untenable position and it requires weapons-grade stupidity to think anyone would actually buy that claim.

Lenin said the smart Russian was usually a Jew.

I say the bad Russian was usually a Jew.

Which is much closer to the truth.

Most of the best, and brightest of Russia weren't Jews... Korolev, Glushko, Igor Sikorsky Dostoeyevsky, Tolstoy, Pushkin, Nikolai Gogol, Stravinsky, Scriabin, Rachmaninoff, Malevich, Tchaikovsky.... None of them Jews.

But.. Lenin, Leon Trotsky, Lazar Kaganovich, Genrikh Yagoda, Matvei Berman, Lev Kamenev, Yakov Yurovsky Semion Mogilevich, and Ludwig Fainberg all bad Jews.

Don't forget Lobachevsky. Russian AND Polish and one of my favorites.

 

[cnelsen]

but it is possible to abhor genocide

But, it's not possible to abhor genocide and claim to admire the Nazis for committing genocide against the Jews. That clearly is an untenable position and it requires weapons-grade stupidity to think anyone would actually buy that claim.

Lying is like war-mongering with you people, it seems. You just can't seem to help yourselves. Nowhere in my life have I claimed to admire the Nazis for committing genocide against the Jews. And if genocide is so evil, why are Jews constantly panting after it.

 

[bodecea]

I simply don't get why some on the Right are getting the reputation as anti-Semitic.

 

[cnelsen]

I simply don't get why some on the Right are getting the reputation as anti-Semitic.

or why some on the left are gaining the reputation of being anti-Christian, anti-White, anti-American, pro-warmonger, anti-Russian, anti-patriotism, pro-genocide?

 

[Unkotare]

Ever notice that for the truly idiotic, hysterical anti-semites EVERYTHING in the world is related to their pet paranoia?

 

[abu afak]

One of the Jewish posters on this message board (Indeependent) responded to a Jew hater (not me, a different Jew hater) with:

To get you to shut the fuck up with your obvious Jew hatred.
You see, you're doing what the Russians did and the Jews reacted by becoming just like the Russians.
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Jewish Bolshevism - Wikipedia

Jewish Bolshevism also known as Judeo-Bolshevism is a Conspiracy Theory that the Jews were at the origin of the Russian Revolution and held dominant power among Bolsheviks.​

Similarly the Jewish Communism theory implies that Jews have been dominating the Communist movements in the world. They are part of the Jewish World Conspiracy theory that Jews control world politics.[1] The expressions have been used as a catchword for the assertion that Communism is a Jewish conspiracy, and it has often coincided with overtly aggressive nationalistic tendencies in the 20th century and 21st century. In Poland, "Judeo-Bolshevism" was known as Żydokomuna and was used as an antisemitic stereotype.[2]
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The label "Judeo-Bolshevism" was used in Nazi Germany to equate Jews with communists..
[....]
Jews in the Bolshevik party

On the eve of the February Revolution, in 1917, the Bolshevik party had about 23,000 members, of whom 364 were known to be ethnic Jews.[14] Between 1917 and 1919, Jewish Bolshevik party leaders included Grigory Zinoviev, Moisei Uritsky, Lev Kamenev, Yakov Sverdlov, Grigory Sokolnikov, and Leon Trotsky. Lev Kamenev was of Mixed ethnic Russian and Jewish parentage.[21] Trotsky was also a member/Narkom of the ruling Council of People's Commissars. Among the 23 Narkoms between 1923 and 1930, 5 were Jewish.[21]

According to the 1922 party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.2% of the total. Jews made up 7.1% of members who had joined before October 1917.[23]

Among members of the Central Executive Committee of the Congress of Soviets in 1929, there were 402 ethnic Russians, 95 Ukrainians, 55 Jews, 26 Latvians, 13 Poles, 12 Germans – Jewish representation had declined from 60 members in 1927.[24]

With regards to Jewish representation in the ruling Politburo, it Waned very rapidly starting in 1918. It began with the Assassination of Moisei Uritsky.. in August 1918. Then Yakov Sverdlov died.. in March 1919 and Sokolnikov was Shunted aside. Three years later in 1922, Jewish members in the Central Committee, the Politburo's new name, had Shrunk to a Minority of 3: Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev. Eventually they were ALL physically eliminated by Joseph Stalin: Zinoviev and Kamenev in 1936 and Trotsky in 1940.

In the 1920s, of the 417 members of the Central Executive Committee - the Presidium of the Executive of the Soviets of the USSR/Russian Republic, the People's Commissars, 6% were ethnic Jews.[21]
Between 1936 and 1940, during the Great Purge, Yezhovshchina and after the rapprochement with Nazi Germany, Stalin had largely Eliminated Jews from senior party, government, diplomatic, security and military positions.[25] A prominent victim of the Purge was the Head of the State Security or NKVD (the enforcement arm of government previously known as the Cheka and GPU) who also happened to have come from a Jewish background: Genrikh Yagoda. In 1939, Stalin directed incoming Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov to "purge the ministry of Jews".
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[cnelsen]

One of the Jewish posters on this message board (Indeependent) responded to a Jew hater (not me, a different Jew hater) with:

To get you to shut the fuck up with your obvious Jew hatred.
You see, you're doing what the Russians did and the Jews reacted by becoming just like the Russians.
.....​

Jewish Bolshevism - Wikipedia

Jewish Bolshevism also known as Judeo-Bolshevism is a Conspiracy Theory that the Jews were at the origin of the Russian Revolution and held dominant power among Bolsheviks.
Similarly the Jewish Communism theory implies that Jews have been dominating the Communist movements in the world. They are part of the Jewish World Conspiracy theory that Jews control world politics.[1] The expressions have been used as a catchword for the assertion that Communism is a Jewish conspiracy, and it has often coincided with overtly aggressive nationalistic tendencies in the 20th century and 21st century. In Poland, "Judeo-Bolshevism" was known as Żydokomuna and was used as an antisemitic stereotype.[2]
[....]
The label "Judeo-Bolshevism" was used in Nazi Germany to equate Jews with communists..
[....]
Jews in the Bolshevik party

On the eve of the February Revolution, in 1917, the Bolshevik party had about 23,000 members, of whom 364 were known to be ethnic Jews.[14] Between 1917 and 1919, Jewish Bolshevik party leaders included Grigory Zinoviev, Moisei Uritsky, Lev Kamenev, Yakov Sverdlov, Grigory Sokolnikov, and Leon Trotsky. Lev Kamenev was of Mixed ethnic Russian and Jewish parentage.[21] Trotsky was also a member/Narkom of the ruling Council of People's Commissars. Among the 23 Narkoms between 1923 and 1930, 5 were Jewish.[21]

According to the 1922 party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.2% of the total. Jews made up 7.1% of members who had joined before October 1917.[23]

Among members of the Central Executive Committee of the Congress of Soviets in 1929, there were 402 ethnic Russians, 95 Ukrainians, 55 Jews, 26 Latvians, 13 Poles, 12 Germans – Jewish representation had declined from 60 members in 1927.[24]

With regards to Jewish representation in the ruling Politburo, it Waned very rapidly starting in 1918. It began with the Assassination of Moisei Uritsky.. in August 1918. Then Yakov Sverdlov died.. in March 1919 and Sokolnikov was Shunted aside. Three years later in 1922, Jewish members in the Central Committee, the Politburo's new name, had Shrunk to a Minority of 3: Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev. Eventually they were ALL physically eliminated by Joseph Stalin: Zinoviev and Kamenev in 1936 and Trotsky in 1940.

In the 1920s, of the 417 members of the Central Executive Committee - the Presidium of the Executive of the Soviets of the USSR/Russian Republic, the People's Commissars, 6% were ethnic Jews.[21]
Between 1936 and 1940, during the Great Purge, Yezhovshchina and after the rapprochement with Nazi Germany, Stalin had largely Eliminated Jews from senior party, government, diplomatic, security and military positions.[25] A prominent victim of the Purge was the Head of the State Security or NKVD (the enforcement arm of government previously known as the Cheka and GPU) who also happened to have come from a Jewish background: Genrikh Yagoda. In 1939, Stalin directed incoming Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov to "purge the ministry of Jews".
[....]​

In the same way that, had there been no Jews in the United States, there would have been no Iraq War, there would have been no 1965 Immigration Act and we would still be a 90% white country, and we would have stayed out of WWI & WWII, had there been no Jews in Russia, there would have been no Bolshevik Party.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

One of the Jewish posters on this message board (Indeependent) responded to a Jew hater (not me, a different Jew hater) with:

To get you to shut the fuck up with your obvious Jew hatred.
You see, you're doing what the Russians did and the Jews reacted by becoming just like the Russians.
.....​

Jewish Bolshevism - Wikipedia

Jewish Bolshevism also known as Judeo-Bolshevism is a Conspiracy Theory that the Jews were at the origin of the Russian Revolution and held dominant power among Bolsheviks.
Similarly the Jewish Communism theory implies that Jews have been dominating the Communist movements in the world. They are part of the Jewish World Conspiracy theory that Jews control world politics.[1] The expressions have been used as a catchword for the assertion that Communism is a Jewish conspiracy, and it has often coincided with overtly aggressive nationalistic tendencies in the 20th century and 21st century. In Poland, "Judeo-Bolshevism" was known as Żydokomuna and was used as an antisemitic stereotype.[2]
[....]
The label "Judeo-Bolshevism" was used in Nazi Germany to equate Jews with communists..
[....]
Jews in the Bolshevik party

On the eve of the February Revolution, in 1917, the Bolshevik party had about 23,000 members, of whom 364 were known to be ethnic Jews.[14] Between 1917 and 1919, Jewish Bolshevik party leaders included Grigory Zinoviev, Moisei Uritsky, Lev Kamenev, Yakov Sverdlov, Grigory Sokolnikov, and Leon Trotsky. Lev Kamenev was of Mixed ethnic Russian and Jewish parentage.[21] Trotsky was also a member/Narkom of the ruling Council of People's Commissars. Among the 23 Narkoms between 1923 and 1930, 5 were Jewish.[21]

According to the 1922 party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.2% of the total. Jews made up 7.1% of members who had joined before October 1917.[23]

Among members of the Central Executive Committee of the Congress of Soviets in 1929, there were 402 ethnic Russians, 95 Ukrainians, 55 Jews, 26 Latvians, 13 Poles, 12 Germans – Jewish representation had declined from 60 members in 1927.[24]

With regards to Jewish representation in the ruling Politburo, it Waned very rapidly starting in 1918. It began with the Assassination of Moisei Uritsky.. in August 1918. Then Yakov Sverdlov died.. in March 1919 and Sokolnikov was Shunted aside. Three years later in 1922, Jewish members in the Central Committee, the Politburo's new name, had Shrunk to a Minority of 3: Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev. Eventually they were ALL physically eliminated by Joseph Stalin: Zinoviev and Kamenev in 1936 and Trotsky in 1940.

In the 1920s, of the 417 members of the Central Executive Committee - the Presidium of the Executive of the Soviets of the USSR/Russian Republic, the People's Commissars, 6% were ethnic Jews.[21]
Between 1936 and 1940, during the Great Purge, Yezhovshchina and after the rapprochement with Nazi Germany, Stalin had largely Eliminated Jews from senior party, government, diplomatic, security and military positions.[25] A prominent victim of the Purge was the Head of the State Security or NKVD (the enforcement arm of government previously known as the Cheka and GPU) who also happened to have come from a Jewish background: Genrikh Yagoda. In 1939, Stalin directed incoming Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov to "purge the ministry of Jews".
[....]​

In the same way that, had there been no Jews in the United States, there would have been no Iraq War, there would have been no 1965 Immigration Act and we would still be a 90% white country, and we would have stayed out of WWI & WWII, had there been no Jews in Russia, there would have been no Bolshevik Party.

Holy shit is that some whacked reasoning.

The statement isn't logically consistent and doesn't even make sense.

Let me guess: Trump supporter?

 

[fncceo]

Let me guess: Trump supporter?

You'd be surprised. A lot of his ilk are steadfastly on the other side. The lunatic fringe of both parties agree on one thing ... Da Joos.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

One of the Jewish posters on this message board (Indeependent) responded to a Jew hater (not me, a different Jew hater) with:

To get you to shut the fuck up with your obvious Jew hatred.
You see, you're doing what the Russians did and the Jews reacted by becoming just like the Russians.
.....​

Jewish Bolshevism - Wikipedia

Jewish Bolshevism also known as Judeo-Bolshevism is a Conspiracy Theory that the Jews were at the origin of the Russian Revolution and held dominant power among Bolsheviks.
Similarly the Jewish Communism theory implies that Jews have been dominating the Communist movements in the world. They are part of the Jewish World Conspiracy theory that Jews control world politics.[1] The expressions have been used as a catchword for the assertion that Communism is a Jewish conspiracy, and it has often coincided with overtly aggressive nationalistic tendencies in the 20th century and 21st century. In Poland, "Judeo-Bolshevism" was known as Żydokomuna and was used as an antisemitic stereotype.[2]
[....]
The label "Judeo-Bolshevism" was used in Nazi Germany to equate Jews with communists..
[....]
Jews in the Bolshevik party

On the eve of the February Revolution, in 1917, the Bolshevik party had about 23,000 members, of whom 364 were known to be ethnic Jews.[14] Between 1917 and 1919, Jewish Bolshevik party leaders included Grigory Zinoviev, Moisei Uritsky, Lev Kamenev, Yakov Sverdlov, Grigory Sokolnikov, and Leon Trotsky. Lev Kamenev was of Mixed ethnic Russian and Jewish parentage.[21] Trotsky was also a member/Narkom of the ruling Council of People's Commissars. Among the 23 Narkoms between 1923 and 1930, 5 were Jewish.[21]

According to the 1922 party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.2% of the total. Jews made up 7.1% of members who had joined before October 1917.[23]

Among members of the Central Executive Committee of the Congress of Soviets in 1929, there were 402 ethnic Russians, 95 Ukrainians, 55 Jews, 26 Latvians, 13 Poles, 12 Germans – Jewish representation had declined from 60 members in 1927.[24]

With regards to Jewish representation in the ruling Politburo, it Waned very rapidly starting in 1918. It began with the Assassination of Moisei Uritsky.. in August 1918. Then Yakov Sverdlov died.. in March 1919 and Sokolnikov was Shunted aside. Three years later in 1922, Jewish members in the Central Committee, the Politburo's new name, had Shrunk to a Minority of 3: Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev. Eventually they were ALL physically eliminated by Joseph Stalin: Zinoviev and Kamenev in 1936 and Trotsky in 1940.

In the 1920s, of the 417 members of the Central Executive Committee - the Presidium of the Executive of the Soviets of the USSR/Russian Republic, the People's Commissars, 6% were ethnic Jews.[21]
Between 1936 and 1940, during the Great Purge, Yezhovshchina and after the rapprochement with Nazi Germany, Stalin had largely Eliminated Jews from senior party, government, diplomatic, security and military positions.[25] A prominent victim of the Purge was the Head of the State Security or NKVD (the enforcement arm of government previously known as the Cheka and GPU) who also happened to have come from a Jewish background: Genrikh Yagoda. In 1939, Stalin directed incoming Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov to "purge the ministry of Jews".
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Funny that a Jewish source says a little more revealing information than Wikipedia.

From Yivo the Jewish encyclopedia of Eastern Europe.


YIVO | Communism

Jews, however, were very prominent in the Bolshevik leadership. This visibility created the impression of a close tie between Jews and Bolsheviks. At the April 1917 Bolshevik conference, 20 percent of the delegates were Jews. Of 21 members of the Bolshevik Central Committee in August 1917, six were of Jewish origin. Among them, Leon Trotsky (Lev Davidovich Bronshtein) was commissar of foreign affairs and of war; Iakov Mikhailovich Sverdlov was first head of the Soviet government; the deputy chairman of the Council of People’s Commissars was Lev Borisovich Kamenev (Rosenfel’d); chairman of the Petrograd Soviet was Grigorii Evseevich Zinov’ev (Radomysl’skii); deputy head of the Cheka, the “secret police,” was Moisei Uritskii. In a country where a Jew had not been permitted to hold the lowest civil service job—postman, policeman, clerk—the sight of Jews running the government from 1917 to 1921 was a great shock, as shocking as it would have been to people in Mississippi in 1950 to have an African American as governor and chief of the state police.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

"Anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka," wrote Jewish historian Leonard Schapiro, "stood a very good chance of finding himself confronted with, and possibly shot by, a Jewish investigator."20 In Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history.21 (Beginning as the Cheka, or Vecheka) the Soviet secret police was later known as the GPU, OGPU, NKVD, MVD and KGB.)

The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime